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OT: The Soccer Thread: June

Euro 2012 Kicks Off!

Notable Early Round Matches:

Basically anything in Group B, which features teams currently ranked second, fourth, fifth and tenth in the FIFA rankings. That’s insane. Matchdays are June 9 (Saturday), 13 (Wednesday) and 17 (Sunday—Father’s Day). Don’t miss ‘em.

 

 

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   601. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4153069)
Ties are boring!
   602. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4153071)
A deserved draw, I think. As good as Italy were I can't help but think Spain might have pulled it out if they could get over their Fernando Torres fascination. A brilliant game, though. Your move Ireland!
   603. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 10, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4153073)
Ties are boring!

Americans are stupid!
   604. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 10, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4153074)
It says something for Rossi to not be the most dreadful of the analysts, but Ballack is horrible. I don't know if he doesn't speak enough English or what, but he is just miserable.
   605. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4153077)
They're both awful but Rossi is worse than Ballack. At halftime Ballack made a point about how pitch conditions related to the way Spain played. That's at least something. Rossi is just saying "umm" and "you know" and looks scared. Ballack is at least a veteran with international appeal, Rossi is there why?
   606. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4153078)
Shot #1 of the drunken Irish.
   607. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4153082)
I actually felt sorry for Torres out there. He looked utterly, completely lost...
   608. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4153085)
I don't say this lightly, but I could give as much insight as Rossi and I don't say that to flatter myself. Also, they are completely ignoring that Balotelli's stength and skill set up the great opportunity he then flubbed.

edit: Jeez, I think Lalas just scared the crap out of Rossi.
   609. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4153086)
Rossi was just asked who he would rather play up top with and he starts his response with "I mean... it's not fair to say." And again he starts with "yeah, I mean." We are witnessing spectacularly bad announcing.
   610. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4153087)
Rossi was just asked who he would rather play up top with and he starts his response with "I mean... it's not fair to say." And again he starts with "yeah, I mean." We are witnessing spectacularly bad announcing.

There is no way Rossi is going to answer that, to be fair to him. He has hopes of playing for Italy again.
   611. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4153090)
There is no way Rossi is going to answer that, to be fair to him.


That's fair. I wasn't commenting on his opinion (why they have him commenting on this game is beyond me, he understandably can't possibly be objective) as much as on his nail-on-a-chalkboard delivery. He's painful to watch.
   612. Textbook Editor Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4153101)
So a draw was probably the best result for Ireland, which is a nice way to start the day. A fun game to watch as well, which is never a bad thing.

The way I looked at it going into the competition, 5 points (win over Croatia + 2 draws) was likely the best possible outcome for Ireland. If they get the win today, they have a really good shot at 2nd place, provided they can pull off the two draws. And if Croatia can help them by beating either Spain/Italy, then they really will have a fighting chance to advance, which is all you could hope for going in. A rematch with France in the quarterfinals would be delicious.


Now I have to go on radio silence as I'll be time-shifting the viewing of Ireland-Croatia...
   613. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4153103)
ANGRY IRISH GUY ALERT!
   614. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4153106)
Last year Spurs had four Croatian players on their squad and by August they might have none.
   615. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4153110)
Keller is weak, but this is a much better studio lineup.
   616. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4153118)
If they get the win today, they have a really good shot at 2nd place, provided they can pull off the two draws.

So they have a good chance to advance if they don't lose against Croatia, Spain and Italy? Sounds like it's in the bag!
   617. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4153120)
The rain should help Ireland on their quest to draw every game 0-0.
   618. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4153122)
Keller is weak, but this is a much better studio lineup.
That's because unlike Rossi, Keller and Tommy Smyth don't believe the camera will steal your soul.
   619. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4153124)
Game on now.
   620. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4153125)
The Irish dream is over.
   621. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4153126)
Oof, that didn't take long.

Terrific header, though.
   622. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4153127)
Well that should open things up and make this a better game to watch.
   623. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4153128)
The Irish dream is over.

Do not underestimate the power of Robbie Keane's pointing finger!
   624. Textbook Editor Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4153129)
Goddamnit. I have enough time to watch the first 5 minutes and they do that on me.
   625. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4153130)
I'm seeing lots of calls for ADN to start over Balotelli. I think Prandelli played it just about right. If he wants to continue to play a high pressing game, it seems Balotelli's youth and athleticism is a better fit for that than Di Natale. Bringing on Di Natale for half-hour cameos, particularly when a goal is needed, seems his best fit. Dude is what, 34?, and IIRC didn't even train during the week for Udinese because of his knees.

Boo Croatia for not wearing the sweet checkerboard tops.
   626. Baldrick Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4153131)
Given has to get that, right? Terrible, terrible start. C'mon Doyle, show them some magic.
   627. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4153133)
Do not underestimate the power of Robbie Keane's pointing finger!


If his form in LA is any indication, that's his best weapon this year.
   628. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4153134)
Do not underestimate the power of Robbie Keane's pointing finger!

EDIT: #### Keane. I don't want to think about him.

   629. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4153136)
Given has to get that, right? Terrible, terrible start. C'mon Doyle, show them some magic.

I think so. It was a pretty soft header.
   630. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4153138)
I have high hopes for Dunne in Twatball, he's versatile, a master of both cards and artistic own goals.
   631. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4153140)
Villa's record with Keane was awesome*.


Yeah, but it wasn't his fault. He had 3 goals in 5 starts. What more do you want from a short term loan.
   632. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4153144)
Here we go!
   633. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4153145)
How about that.
   634. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4153146)
Bob Bradley, now 14 straight undefeated games with Egypt.

1-1 it is.
   635. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4153147)
Bob Bradley, now 14 straight undefeated games with Egypt.
Why can't the US get coaches like that?
   636. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4153150)
Corluka appeared pretty cooked this season for Spurs, and he's been utterly abysmal so far.
   637. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4153151)
I will point out that Corluka is only technically a member of Tottenham Hotspur...
   638. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4153153)
Why can't the US get coaches like that?

Well, check out who they've played, though.
   639. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4153154)
That's what they teach at Tottenham school of defending.
   640. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4153155)
Well, check out who they've played, though.


You understand the unique situation Bradley is in, right? Teams are not lining up to play Egypt right now, and the players aren't exactly crazy to play for Egypt either. They have to make do with what they have. He had a number of players retire after the massacre.
   641. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4153156)
Ireland have been surprisingly open so far.
   642. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4153160)
You understand the unique situation Bradley is in, right? Teams are not lining up to play Egypt right now, and the players aren't exactly crazy to play for Egypt. They have to make do with what they have.

Sure. They played Brazil a couple of times since he took over but since the revolution it's been slim pickings. I'm not blaming them for their schedule, but it is what it is. By all accounts the Egyptians are happy with the job he's doing.
   643. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4153163)
The announcers aren't actively cheering for Ireland, but they're doing just about everything up to that point.
   644. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4153176)
He's also had a number of players retire, although he's coaxed a couple back, and most of his players have had their seasons ended by the league cancelling the rest of the season. Yeah, they're playing weak teams but they've got a hand tied behind their back. I don't mean to bring up Bradley's accomplishments to slight Klinsmann (well, maybe a little bit), as I thought they shouldn't have brought Bradley back when his contract ended. Just giving some news on an American coach overseas.

They love him in Egypt. My girlfriend is an Egyptologist (yes I know that's not really a word) and she doesn't know a thing about soccer but knows about him because he's become such a noted figure.
   645. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4153180)
Cheers everytime Ireland hoof it long. Heh.
   646. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4153181)
The game has settled into the pattern everyone expected. Croatia passing it around, Ireland defending deep. Really wish that had been the first game today. As a neutral, this feels like the JV game after that Italy-Spain show.
   647. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4153183)
Not a great sign for the Irish that they have basically been on the back foot for the last half back end of this half. (Or so it feels.)

And as I type this, it finally gives way.
   648. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4153184)
That is not good defending.

EDIT: Should have been offside on the first touch though.
   649. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4153185)
that wasn't offside?
   650. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4153191)
My girlfriend is an Egyptologist (yes I know that's not really a word)


"Egyptologist" is a word! Jan Assmann, for example, is an Egyptologist.
   651. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4153198)
that wasn't offside?

I assume you could argue that the two Croatians wasn't in play when the shot was hit, and was in play but not offside when it bounced of the Ireland player. It would be rather convoluted though. It would be easier to say that they affected the play and it was offside when the shot was kicked.
   652. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4153206)
Ethiopia is top of their group in Africa WC qualifying. That would be something if they get to the WC.
   653. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4153207)
"Egyptologist" is a word!


It's a word, but from what I understand it's not one that's used a lot in the Egyptologist community.

Anyways, she was going to be in Egypt this week but with the instability decided not to go. I really wanted an Arab Contractors shirt, that's the name of one of the teams in the Egyptian Premiere League.
   654. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4153208)
I really wanted an Arab Contractors shirt, that's the name of one of the teams in the Egyptian Premiere League.

Is there an ass crack on the team badge?
   655. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4153216)
Is there an ass crack on the team badge?


No, but they do wear yellow.
   656. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:49 PM (#4153217)
Sadly, no. It actually appears contractors in the Arab world are rather more athletic than their American counterparts.
   657. DA Baracus Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4153224)
Shay Given with a header!
   658. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4153225)
Game. Over.
   659. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4153226)
That was a nice header.
   660. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4153238)
That was a foul on Keane. Ref missed that.
   661. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:09 PM (#4153241)
yep, should have been a penalty.

I was taking this game as an opportunity to practice rooting against modric just in case he goes somewhere horrible this summer, but I just can't do it.
   662. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4153244)
I was taking this game as an opportunity to practice rooting against modric just in case he goes somewhere horrible this summer, but I just can't do it.

Especially not with his new Eight Is Enough haircut. I'm just hoping the Real Madrid rumors are true.
   663. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4153247)
Especially not with his new Eight Is Enough haircut. I'm just hoping the Real Madrid rumors are true.


I guess that would only qualify as slightly horrible.
   664. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4153251)
What the hell is this, a Tottenham intrasquad game?
   665. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4153252)
I guess that would only qualify as slightly horrible.

I think that's the least painful option available. At least he's not going to Chelsea.
   666. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4153254)
What the hell is this, a Tottenham intrasqyad game?

Are you referring to Dynamo Kyiv's own Niko Kranjcar?
   667. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4153260)
No James McClean this game.
   668. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4153261)
Dunne hasn't much football IQ.
   669. Swedish Chef Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4153267)
Oooh, close.
   670. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 10, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4153276)
ESPN loves the super slo-mo.
   671. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: June 10, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4153317)
Well that wasn't as much fun as the first ganme, though I was in my local soccer bar in Hoboken, which was full of fans of all 4 teams playing today, there was even a drum and fife for the Irish (I don't understand, but it distracted enough people so I got my beer quickly). Still a good time, would have liked a better game. Tomorrow England plays, which means mega-drama no matter what happens. Are you not entertained?
   672. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: June 10, 2012 at 06:32 PM (#4153352)
Still in third. Really, I just need to stay ahead of Shooty since I was talking smack.
   673. Textbook Editor Posted: June 10, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4153392)
Well, that was shite.

I suppose 4 points in the best Ireland can now hope for (draw Spain, win Italy), but 4 points probably doesn't get you through, as you'd need a lot of help to get through with just 4 points given the rest of the group.

If Croatia win against Italy and Ireland loses to Spain, Croatia's through, right? You have to think dusting things off before their game with Spain would be their goal right now.
   674. Baldrick Posted: June 11, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4153454)
If Croatia win against Italy and Ireland loses to Spain, Croatia's through, right? You have to think dusting things off before their game with Spain would be their goal right now.

If Croatia wins another game, they are through no matter what. 6 points is guaranteed advancement in a group where there's already been a draw. There is no configuration of results that could get three teams to six unless all the matches produce 3 points.
   675. Textbook Editor Posted: June 11, 2012 at 12:20 AM (#4153457)
Thanks, Baldrick. If Croatia wins against Italy, then, they're almost certain to not go all-out against Spain in the final game, which also doesn't bode well for Ireland's hopes, since even if Ireland draw against Spain, they'd need a win over Italy and at least a draw for Spain against Croatia to go through.

So a miracle 1-0 result over Spain is what is needed... Given the way they can defend badly, I wouldn't put it past Ireland to nick a goal, but they're only going to have the ball for maybe 20% of the game, and it seems far more likely Ireland loses 4-0 or 5-0 than wins 1-0.
   676. Juan V Posted: June 11, 2012 at 03:52 AM (#4153485)
Cesc's goal was really a peach.
   677. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 11, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4153526)
Spain v Italy reactions:

Michael Cox

Jonathan Wilson

Sid Lowe

Tahiti will be representing Oceania in the Confed Cup. That Brazil v Tahiti match up will be epic!
   678. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 11, 2012 at 09:52 AM (#4153539)
Chelsea are going to keep DiMatteo for another year while they wait for Pep to decide to take an offer he can't refuse.

Arsenal look like they're going to sign Olivier Giroud, which I find interesting as in the games I've seen him play he strikes me more as a traditional #9--more Cisse than Van Persie. I also wonder if Podolski and Giroud coming in mean they are assuming Van Persie is headed out, though Giroud would be a BIG freaking improvement on Chamakh as an extra forward. Gervinho, Walcott, RVP, Podolski and Giroud would give Wenger a lot of toys to play with up top and a lot of cover in case of injury.


edit: I forgot about Ox, too. Sheesh! Meanwhile, Spurs have Jermaine Defoe under contract...
   679. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4153613)
Hart, Johnson, Lescott, Terry, Cole, Milner, Parker, Gerrard (capt), Oxlade-Chamberlain, Young, Welbeck.

The England lineup. No Downing, no Carroll.
   680. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4153623)
And for France...Lloris, Debuchy, Rami, Mexes, Evra, Nasri, Cabaye, Diarra, Malouda, Ribery, Benzema.
   681. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM (#4153631)
Hart, Johnson, Lescott, Terry, Cole, Milner, Parker, Gerrard (capt), Oxlade-Chamberlain, Young, Welbeck.

I mean I knew England was gonna suck. But wow, do they suck.
   682. DA Baracus Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4153633)
   683. ursus arctos Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4153637)
The French media are quite convinced that Thiago Silva is about to join PSG for between 44 and 50 million euros.

Which is quite a staggering fee for a centre back.
   684. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4153638)
Welbeck on his own up front sounds like a plan for a 0-0 draw.
   685. Swedish Chef Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4153639)
I thought I was going to bet on France if I got more than even odds, but at 2.62 it's a no-brainer.
   686. Swedish Chef Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4153643)
Which is quite a staggering fee for a centre back.

If they have that kind of money burning a hole in their pocket they should just cut to the chase and pay off Messi's release clause.
   687. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4153644)
I mean I knew England was gonna suck. But wow, do they suck.

It's not too bad. Not great, but not horrible. It's weird that they already have to rely on Oxlade-Chamberlain.
   688. ursus arctos Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4153646)
It's 150 million euro.
   689. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4153647)
If England had just one creative midfielder to orchestrate the game for those wingers - and especially once they get Rooney up front again - that'd be a pretty dangerous side. But instead they've got Gerrard, Parker, and Milner.
   690. Mefisto Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4153648)
@684: Doesn't Roy coach every game to plan for a 0-0 draw?
   691. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4153650)
The French media are quite convinced that Thiago Silva is about to join PSG for between 44 and 50 million euros.

Great googly moogly!

Get up and get get get down
FFP is a joke in your town...
   692. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4153654)
If England had just one creative midfielder to orchestrate the game for those wingers - and especially once they get Rooney up front again - that'd be a pretty dangerous side. But instead they've got Gerrard, Parker, and Milner.

Yeah. Leon Britton, maybe? Not that England would ever consider a Swansea player, it seems. Tom Huddlestone if he was ever fit could play this role. Huddlestone being fit is just a dream, though...
   693. Swedish Chef Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4153655)
It's 150 million euro.

Yeah, spending some real money is better than to dribble out 40 mill here and 40 mill there, it's a real statement of intent that you're not some ordinary Man City-class club, that you're far, far crazier than your predecessors.
   694. Randy Jones Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4153656)
If England had just one creative midfielder to orchestrate the game for those wingers - and especially once they get Rooney up front again - that'd be a pretty dangerous side. But instead they've got Gerrard, Parker, and Milner.


They have one, but Wilshere is injured(Cleverley too, but he hasn't proven himself nearly as much as Wilshere). Of course, even if Wilshere were healthy, they would start Gerrard or Lampard ahead of him...
   695. Richard Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4153661)
Yeah. Leon Britton, maybe? Not that England would ever consider a Swansea player, it seems.

Britton's transition from a player who creates absolutely nothing to a player who creates absolutely nothing but is inexplicably hailed as a creative midfielder is a source of wonder to me.
   696. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4153663)
I thought I was going to bet on France if I got more than even odds, but at 2.62 it's a no-brainer.

Woah, thanks for the heads up. Bet placed.
   697. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4153667)
Yeah, spending some real money is better than to dribble out 40 mill here and 40 mill there, it's a real statement of intent that you're not some ordinary Man City-class club, that you're far, far crazier than your predecessors.

You'll have to pay crazy money in salary on top of that. I don't see Messi leaving Barca for less than 400k a week.
   698. ursus arctos Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4153670)
The same reports have Thiago Silva on Euro 9 million a year.

Net.

Whether or not Hollande raises the top rate to 75%.
   699. Textbook Editor Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4153671)
You'll have to pay crazy money in salary on top of that. I don't see Messi leaving Barca for less than 400k a week.


Eh. Flags fly forever, etc., etc.
   700. DA Baracus Posted: June 11, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4153672)
No Bob Ley, instead some British woman. ESPN is just completely upfront about it's biases.
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