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OT: The Soccer Thread June, 2014

It’s go time!

June 12th Brazil v Croatia

June 13th Mexico v Cameroon, Spain v Holland, Chile v Australia

June 14th Colombia v Greece, Ivory Coast v Japan, Uruguay v Costa Rica, England v Italy

June 15th Switzerland v Ecuador, France v Honduras, Argentina v Bosnia-Herzegovina

June 16th Iran v Nigeria, Germany v Portugal, Ghana v USA

June 17th Brazil v Mexico, Belgium v Algeria, Russia v South Korea

June 18th Cameroon v Croatia, Australia v Holland, Spain v Chile

June 19th Colombia v Ivory Coast, Japan v Greece, Uruguay v England

June 20th Italy v Costa Rica, Switzerland v France, Honduras v Ecuador

June 21st Argentina v Iran, Nigeria vs Bosnia-Herzegovina, Germany v Ghana

June 22nd USA v Portugal, Belgium v Russia, South Korea v Algeria

June 23rd Cameroon v Brazil, Croatia v Mexico, Australia v Spain, Holland v Chile

June 24th Greece v Ivory Coast, Japan v Colombia, Costa Rica v England, Italy v Uruguay

June 25th Ecuador v France, Honduras v Switzerland, Bosnia-Herzegovina v Iran, Nigeria v Argentina

June 26th Portugal v Ghana, USA v Germany, Algeria v Russia, South Korea v Belgium

June 28th Group A winner v Group B runner up, Group C winner v Group D runner up

June 29th Group B winner v Group A runner up, Group D winner v Group C runner up

June 30th Group E winner v Group F runner up, Group G winner v Group H runner up

 

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   2001. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4727953)
what the hell did Dempsey not dump the ball into the corner in the 94th min? he put it on goal. that was so odd.
   2002. bunyon Posted: June 16, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4727954)
Total domination. #### yeah!
   2003. SteveF Posted: June 16, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4727955)
The US would have lost worse than 4-0 to Germany playing like that.
   2004. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4727956)
looking for more idiotic comments from Lalas.
   2005. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:00 PM (#4727957)
They're going to get destroyed by Germany, but hopefully we can nick a draw from Portugal and see what happens.
   2006. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:00 PM (#4727958)
Lalas: "I don't know what to say... That was beautiful."

Clearly he really didn't know what to say.
   2007. Dale Sams Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:01 PM (#4727959)
The US wasn't coming from behind Bob. SHeesh. It's like "Victory" which should be called "Draw"
   2008. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:01 PM (#4727960)
what the hell did Dempsey not dump the ball into the corner in the 94th min? he put it on goal. that was so odd.


That was Bradley...and yeah, what the #### was that is the right question to ask.
   2009. SteveF Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:01 PM (#4727961)
Bradley was a ####### dumpster fire all game long.
   2010. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:01 PM (#4727962)
how much blame on Klinsman for his teams inability to control the ball?
   2011. zack Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:02 PM (#4727964)
They need some width. And depth. There were long stretches where they were essentially playing with 5 CBs and the MFs only 5 meters in front of the back line.

Yeah, they were mostly playing with a lead and Ghana was pressing, but still. If that is their best strategy (if the players are really that poor with the ball), they're a lot worse than I thought. And I didn't think all that much.
   2012. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:02 PM (#4727965)
A draw against Portugal probably puts us through. The goal differential should work for us unless we get squashed against Germany who presumably would be playing a fairly reserve heavy side.
   2013. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:03 PM (#4727966)
yet another entertaining and interesting game from the tourney. Aside from a couple games (GER; FRA) everyone has been very entertaining
   2014. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4727967)
They're going to get destroyed by Germany, but hopefully we can nick a draw from Portugal and see what happens.


The hope would be that Germany will play their second squad, as they are likely to beat Ghana and be through already. Also, we have to hope that Ghana beat Portugal.

I think the only scenario where we see Germany's starting 11 is if we beat Portugal, and if that happens, the US will be annihilated.

Edit: wait, if I assume a tie vs. Portugal, our best bet is a Portugal win vs. Ghana.
   2015. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4727968)
They need some width. And depth. There were long stretches where they were essentially playing with 5 CBs and the MFs only 5 meters in front of the back line.
I think you're right that a lot of Bradley's poor performance was due to his positioning (and I don't know if that was his fault or Klinsmann's). He was also misplaying passes that he normally makes in his sleep, though.
   2016. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4727969)
Lalas said yesterday the US matches up well with Portugal. Every thing that mofo says is questionable of course, but realistically do we? After that performance, wont we just get carved up?
   2017. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:06 PM (#4727970)
how much blame on Klinsman for his teams inability to control the ball?


I don't think too much. The guys that I think would be the "questionable" decisions; Brooks, Beckerman, Bedoya even Jones, generally played well. There probably is some criticism to be had about how they played once Altidore went out but I wonder how much of that was Dempsey being invisible after the smack in the nose.

   2018. Dale Sams Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4727971)
how much blame on Klinsman for his teams inability to control the ball?


I dunno. Is he telling players they should never hold onto a ball more than 5 seconds before passing it? And always drive forward? And never give a guy with the ball anyone to pass to?

GD USA. "Hoosiers." watch "Hoosiers".
   2019. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4727972)
Barclays Premier Soccer is now the only soccer coverage on my TV... What the hell..?
   2020. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4727973)
Good lord the talking heads on ESPN News are morons. They sound like the people you'd meet sitting in a bar.
   2021. Mefisto Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4727974)
I'm not a fan of Jermaine Jones, but his effort today was unbelievable. Best game I've seen him play.
   2022. Langer Monk Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4727975)
That was a taxing game to watch.
   2023. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4727976)
West Bromwich vs Swansea is now on my tv screen...
   2024. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4727977)
I'm not a fan of Jermaine Jones, but his effort today was unbelievable. Best game I've seen him play.
He was a monster in the 2nd half.
   2025. Langer Monk Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:09 PM (#4727978)
Jones and Bedoya were great. Cameron was pretty solid.

I'd like to know what the hell caused a fit team to suddenly have so many ####### leg/hamstring injuries.
   2026. greenback calls it soccer Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:09 PM (#4727979)
This lack of draws thing is getting weird.
   2027. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4727980)
From the comments, you wouldn't have thought the US just won a game it it was heavily favored to lose.
   2028. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4727981)
Why does everyone keep saying they're not fans of Jermaine Jones? Did he stomp on a baby or something?
   2029. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4727983)
Cameron was pretty solid.


Agreed. Both on the broadcast and here in the thread I don't think he's gotten enough credit. I think he probably deserves some credit for Brooks being able to settle into the game.

I'd like to know what the hell caused a fit team to suddenly have so many ####### leg/hamstring injuries.


80 degree heat, 80% humidity. The English were having the same problem.
   2030. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:13 PM (#4727984)

was a little odd hearing ESPN yammerers talking up how perfect a win this was.
huh, I'd rather outplay my opponent AND win - that would be fun. and reassuring.

that 4-0 Portugal loss and getting Germany as the final match in group play is a sweet combo, though. Portugal ought to be feeling a LOT of pressure on Sunday; wonder if they can handle it well.
   2031. zack Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:13 PM (#4727986)
I'm not a fan of Jermaine Jones, but his effort today was unbelievable. Best game I've seen him play.

It's Her Wine Jones now.
Why does everyone keep saying they're not fans of Jermaine Jones? Did he stomp on a baby or something?

Because I've seen him play before? He made some nice defensive plays, but his (lack of) positioning in the first half contributed to the endless stream of crosses from that area, and his inclusion was part of the problem with the passing.
   2032. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:13 PM (#4727987)
Why does everyone keep saying they're not fans of Jermaine Jones? Did he stomp on a baby or something?


This was the best game he has had in a long time. He just hasn't shown this type of performance consistently with the USMNT.
   2033. SteveF Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:13 PM (#4727988)
From the comments, you wouldn't have thought the US just won a game it was heavily favored to lose.

By the betting the US were slightly favored, with the likeliest outcome being a draw.
   2034. Langer Monk Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:16 PM (#4727993)
Why does everyone keep saying they're not fans of Jermaine Jones?


It started for me in that game where he dove instead of continuing on to a 1-on-1 with the goalkeeper (I can't remember the opponent now). He'd previously been reckless and dirty. He's completely changed his game in my eyes in the last 6-8 months.
   2035. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:18 PM (#4727994)
Why does everyone keep saying they're not fans of Jermaine Jones? Did he stomp on a baby or something?


Because for most of his US career he's been undisciplined but Klinsmann always finds a way to play him.
   2036. Baldrick Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:19 PM (#4727995)
I just hugged many many strangers at this bar. The US played pretty terribly but I do not care one bit. Being on Portugal!!!!
   2037. madvillain Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4727997)
So, sometimes moments of individual brilliance overshadow and otherwise mediocre team effort. That was the case today. It's nice to have some of those players. Brooks was immense, kudos to Jurgen.

Of course Ghana was going to control the game and have the most shots (have people seen their lineup?), but a lot of them were of the long range variety and I thought the US played pretty well given how central Jozy is and with him out the whole plan goes out the window.
   2038. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:33 PM (#4728004)
My two thoughts:

1. My god, we were terrible.
2. WE BEAT GHANA!!!!!

USA! USA! USA!
   2039. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:34 PM (#4728005)
Her Wine Jones


Sushi added a nice corner too! I'm all for autocorrect nicknames for the USMNT.
   2040. madvillain Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:34 PM (#4728006)
MOTM was Brooks. Quick, dumb grades

Howard: 6.5 did well
Beasley: 6.0, not big gaffes, not much going forward
Cameron: 7.0 excellent, didn't notice him much, good thing
Johnson: 7.0 tough task, did well made a chance or two
Brooks: 8.0 one nervy moment or two at the back but great goal
Besler: 6.5 solid
Beckerman: 7.0 did his job perfectly
Jones: 7.5: ran up and down although not great in possession
Bradley: 5.5 not good, large part of the problem on the counter
bedoya: 6.0 hard to id him from my tv, honestly
Zusi: 6.5 nice corner service
Clint: 7.5: great goal, not much else
Jojannson: 5.5 didn't do much, fed on scraps tough task but poor
Jozy: inc

Jurgen: 8.5 can't argue with the result and brooks is a future building move as well.
   2041. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:34 PM (#4728007)
@PCarrESPN 8m

#USMNT made 45 clearances against Ghana, most by any team in a #WorldCup game since 1966 (our whole data set).
   2042. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:37 PM (#4728011)
MOTM was Ghana's manager not putting his best lineup out and being slow to make subs.

But in the end.... they beat Ghana. I'm happy.
   2043. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:38 PM (#4728012)
MOTM was Brooks. Quick, dumb grades


Disagree. MOTM for me was either Howard, who played very well and can't really be blamed for the goal, or Beckerman/Cameron.

Brooks just had the "right place right time" header, and otherwise was not that special.
   2044. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4728014)
Yeah I thought Brooks was weak aside from the goal.
   2045. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4728015)
Cameron or Jones would my MotM. Both were very solid in my opinion. Brooks had a couple of early bad moments but then a couple of really good moments late. I wouldn't be shocked to see him get the start on Sunday and I think he'll be equipped to have a good game.
   2046. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4728017)
1. My god, we were terrible.


So I would not say the US was terrible. The complete lack of possession was definitely not good, of course. And playing like this against Germany or Brazil, the US might lose 8-0.

However, Ghana did not have very many quality chances despite having the significant edge in possession. A lot of their chances were harmless long shots from outside the box. Again, more possession would've been nice, but with Jozy and Clint's injuries along with Bradley having an off day led to some really poor attacks. And they still got three points, two (or three) more points than most of us were expecting.

Credit to Klinsmann for his sub decisions too. I thought Brooks looked fine out there even aside from the goal. And Zusi's corner led to the goal.
   2047. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:53 PM (#4728021)
Credit to Klinsmann for his sub decisions too.


Not so fast my friend.

@GrantWahl: Klinsmann: I chose Brooks as sub because he's a left CB. Would have chosen Gonzalez if right CB Cameron had been hurt.
   2048. madvillain Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:55 PM (#4728024)
Jesus, thank god Gonzalez didn't get in. How do people feel about beasley?
   2049. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:55 PM (#4728025)
Howard: 7, organized the back and played very well.
Beasley: 5.5, made a huge mistake that a better team would have turned into a goal. Gave away possession all day.
Cameron: 6.5 A couple key interceptions offset by letting Gyan get an easy free header.
Brooks: 7 Got the winning goal, showed real potential, but also let Gyan free.
Besler: 6.5 Solid until hamstring slowed him down.
Beckerman: 7.0 did exactly what he needed to do.
Jones: 7.5 He was great, his best performance for the USMNT.
Bradley: 4.5 Actively a negative for the team, gifted possession away constantly, not what you want from your most important player.
Bedoya: 7, some excellent runs forward, and great work rate.
Clint: 6.5, scored the early goal, showed real grit, but was invisible for long periods in the second half.
Johansson: 6, was largely quiet, had a couple good moves.

Jurgen: 8, His boys won the game. We did not deserve 3 points, and he found a way to get them.
   2050. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:56 PM (#4728026)
Beasley has been pretty hard working and a solid convert to fullback, but he was bad today.
   2051. Langer Monk Posted: June 16, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4728027)
Beasley struggled but gave it everything he had.

What's surprising is they were talking about the Ghana left side challenging Johnson, but it never materialized until the goal against, basically.

I think Cameron's MOTM - he did a great job against Gyan.
   2052. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:00 PM (#4728029)
Not so fast my friend.

@GrantWahl: Klinsmann: I chose Brooks as sub because he's a left CB. Would have chosen Gonzalez if right CB Cameron had been hurt.


OK sorry. Credit Klinsmann for taking Brooks over Goodson.
   2053. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4728033)
Well, sometimes 30 seconds of quality is enough and the 3 points is huge, but Klinsmann is going to have to some work to do before Sunday.

Losing Jozy is huge (and so crushing and cruel for him).

That said, Portugal has its own troubles going into Sunday and taking a point against them just might be enough to escape the group.
   2054. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:02 PM (#4728035)
OK sorry. Credit Klinsmann for taking Brooks over Goodson.


And discredit for refusing to tell Goodson why. Brooks' goal was nice but it wasn't anything special.
   2055. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:02 PM (#4728036)
I like our chances if we can draw Portugal. What will be crushing is if we draw with Portugal, lose narrowly to Germany, and still go home because Ghana beats Portugal and draws with Germany.
   2056. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:05 PM (#4728039)
Yeah, it's simple now--draw Portugal and hope Germany take care of Ghana and we're through the Group of Death. Hope!
   2057. zack Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:06 PM (#4728040)
#2049: The Lake Wobegon national soccer team?
   2058. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:06 PM (#4728041)
And discredit for refusing to tell Goodson why. Brooks' goal was nice but it wasn't anything special.

Come on, you've got to just enjoy WC wins win you get them. These are hard to come by!
   2059. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:11 PM (#4728043)
Come on, you've got to just enjoy WC wins win you get them. These are hard to come by!


In fairness I am in a bad mood at the moment for reasons unrelated to the game that happened during the game. Trust me, I'm very happy they beat Ghana, as ugly as it was. In a short tournament I'll take the ugly win. Portugal is beatable. Let's do this!
   2060. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:16 PM (#4728047)

"What will be crushing is if we draw with Portugal, lose narrowly to Germany, and still go home because Ghana beats Portugal and draws with Germany."

If Ghana draws with Germany on Sunday, they deserve to play on.
   2061. greenback calls it soccer Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:16 PM (#4728048)
#USMNT made 45 clearances against Ghana, most by any team in a #WorldCup game since 1966 (our whole data set).

They looked like they were a penalty-killing unit for about sixty minutes.

One thing that has always surprised me about the USMNT is that they don't win more 50/50 balls in the air. It's not just that they get out-jumped, they also can't do the soccer equivalent to posting up. Naively I would expect US guys spent their high school years lifting weights, especially doing squats, to keep up with the other athletes in school. Is this technique or is my naive theory full of fluff?
   2062. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:20 PM (#4728050)
Yeah, I'm not sure I get the "terrible performance" sentiment. The US were far from sharp, but I can't think of too many great chances for Ghana -- Gyan's header over from close, the one from the middle of the box that Cameron blocked. Any others? Fair play to Ghana for their goal, too -- great backheel, great finish. A draw probably would've been a fairer result, but the US ending up with three doesn't strike me as ridiculous, either.

######' A. A draw and a non-beatdown loss most likely gets us through at this point, right?

EDIT: "Terrible performance" is unnecessarily quoted above. Regardless, I think it was a reasonable-enough showing from the US.
   2063. bunyon Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:35 PM (#4728054)
It was absolutely reasonable. We all know we're not a great team so no reason to expect us to win and look great. We're the plucky underdogs which isn't a role that comes naturally to us. Let's squeak through.
   2064. AuntBea Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:39 PM (#4728058)
So, the consensus is the US played anywhere from "terribly" to "far from sharp". Unfortunately I was unable to watch the game. My question is, what do people who saw the game recommend for the US going forward, specifically in the game against Portugal?
   2065. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:42 PM (#4728060)
My question is, what do people who saw the game recommend for the US going forward, specifically in the game against Portugal?


Bradley has to play better. He wasn't a factor tonight. Which in a sense isn't that bad. Not too bad when your best player doesn't have a good game and you win.
   2066. Langer Monk Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:46 PM (#4728065)
Yup. On the list of ten things to do better on Sunday, Michael Bradley not sucking is 1-6.

If Altidore can't play, I think they have to go 4-2-3-1 again. The other things are not have 2 first half injury subs. That might help.
   2067. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:54 PM (#4728073)
the US ending up with three doesn't strike me as ridiculous, either.


I don't disagree, but we were lucky. Against a sharper team we lose 3-1. I'm not going to complain, but meh.
   2068. Baldrick Posted: June 16, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4728077)
Just got home and read through the thread. While I did say above that I thought they played "pretty terribly," I want to strongly disassociate myself from the pants-pissing that went on here.

The US played about 80% as well as I would expect from them. Bradley was not very good, but still made a couple very solid attacking contributions and was useful defensively. Dempsey was listless for large parts of the game but popped up in very helpful ways too. Beasley was out at sea for a lot of the first half but he (and the team) recovered nicely and really closed down that channel. Losing Altidore was really rough. I like Johansson a lot, but we weren't really set up to play with him the whole game and it disrupted a lot of the attack. Also: not being able to string together a few passes disrupted the attack too.

The fact of the matter is: we are not a great team. We're a scrappy bunch with just enough skill to occasionally play really well, but not enough to regularly control the ball. We got the mediocre version today but still came away with 3 points and not simply because we got lucky. The central defenders were huge. Beckerman showed all of his frailties but also showed all of his strengths. And Jones was freaking great today.

There is still a lot of work to be done, but beating Ghana was absolutely crucial and we did it. The team will need to play better in the next game, but it's an absurd overstatement to think we'd lose 8-0 or whatever people were saying.
   2069. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:00 PM (#4728078)

hmm

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After today, the probabilities of advancing from Group G are:

#GER 98%
#USA 63%
#POR 27%
#GHA 12%

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   2070. AuntBea Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM (#4728081)
The US probability will rise and the Portugal one fall if they have not yet rejiggered the team ratings on the games just played (apparently they do that overnight). The 4-0 loss by Portugal is sure to hurt them, and the 2-1 win will help the US a little.
   2071. Textbook Editor Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4728082)
Wait... If the US draws Portugal and loses to Germany...

...and Ghana draws Germany and beats Portugal...

Both teams wind up with 4 points, correct? And then you do GD and goals scored but then the next tiebreaker is, essentially, head-to-head, which the US would have the advantage on.

Scoring the 2 goals is actually a pretty huge get, since it may well come down to goals scored and I can't see them scoring any off Germany (even with their B team).
   2072. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4728088)
Dempsey was listless for large parts of the game but popped up in very helpful ways too.


Dempsey certainly wasn't great after the goal, but toughing out close to 2/3rds of a match with a (likely) broken nose draining blood down his throat earns some forgiveness from me ...
   2073. AuntBea Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:18 PM (#4728090)
If Ghana draws Germany and beats Portugal (seems unlikely), they will have a better GD than the US unless the US manages to lose by only 1 to Germany.
   2074. Mefisto Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4728092)
I think the US deserves a good deal of credit for the game. Yes, they sat back on D for basically 90 minutes, but (a) as others have pointed out, most of the Ghana shots were not good chances; and (b) the US did generate 3 good chances on the counter (including the goal). If they had put one of those away, that would have changed the game completely.

And while they were not at all good going forward, I think there are 2 aspects to that. One is that the loss of Jozy meant a complete change in offense which they probably never practiced. I assume they'll at least work that out before Sunday. The other (which may be related) is Bradley's bad passing. He's normally solid, so I expect return to form next game.
   2075. Mefisto Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4728094)
Dempsey certainly wasn't great after the goal, but toughing out close to 2/3rds of a match with a (likely) broken nose draining blood down his throat earns some forgiveness from me ...


It sure looked like it might be broken. A boot that high should always get a yellow.
   2076. madvillain Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4728095)
Dempsey was listless for large parts of the game but popped up in very helpful ways too.


this will be on his tombstone honestly. that's his mo.

fwiw, the international reaction seems to be "good job US, Ghana wasted too many chances". If you play this match 10 times Ghana prolly wins 6 maybe even 7, but today they didn't. Survive and advance baby.
   2077. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4728101)
One is that the loss of Jozy meant a complete change in offense which they probably never practiced.


Not practicing a key player being unavailable is inexcusable. #### happens, be prepared for anything.
   2078. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:41 PM (#4728103)
good job US, Ghana wasted too many chances


Again, I didn't really see this, in terms of Ghana "wasting" chances. They didn't have many quality chances and I think some of that credit should go to the US. They took a whole bunch of long shots and if you're limiting a team to a whole bunch of long shots you're doing a good job.

I hope Jozy doesn't miss much action because the US doesn't really have a similar replacement for him and he's key to the US' counter attack. I like Aron Johannsson but he's clearly not a target man and needs another striker up front to be successful. Wondo is tall but I don't think he has the other attributes of a quality target man (hold up play, ball control, etc.).
   2079. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:44 PM (#4728107)
I like Aron Johannsson but he's clearly not a target man and needs another striker up front to be successful. Wondo is tall but I don't think he has the other attributes of a quality target man (hold up play, ball control, etc.).


He's not. Jozy is the only target man on the roster. Boyd is the next best in the pool. But hey Julian Green is there.
   2080. Mefisto Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:54 PM (#4728113)
Not practicing a key player being unavailable is inexcusable. #### happens, be prepared for anything.


In theory, sure. But I doubt Argentina practices without Messi or Portugal without CR7. They need those players too much; without them they aren't going to win anyway. And while Jozy is nowhere near as good, he's irreplaceable on the US roster (debating whether EJ or Boyd should have been selected is fair).
   2081. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:55 PM (#4728114)
Jozy being out might be beneficial. If Klinsmann plays Dempsey (assuming he'll be able to play) as a striker with Sushi and Bedoya out wide in a 4-2-3-1, they'll be much better defensively. Dempsey and Altidore offer nothing defensively and that didn't work today - and is not going to work against Portugal or Germany.
   2082. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4728115)
I hope Jozy doesn't miss much action because the US doesn't really have a similar replacement for him and he's key to the US' counter attack.


The way he went down, I really can't see him coming back, even if the US advances.

Such a shame, I was excited about what he might do at this Cup ...
   2083. Randy Jones Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4728116)
Again, I didn't really see this, in terms of Ghana "wasting" chances. They didn't have many quality chances and I think some of that credit should go to the US. They took a whole bunch of long shots and if you're limiting a team to a whole bunch of long shots you're doing a good job.

No. Ghana took too many long shots, but that was all on them. It wasn't the US forcing them into it by preventing any sort of build up play, they just made bad choices. When they did try to create shots, they ended up getting decent crosses in by moving the ball to the outside(especially the left, Beasley looked like he was constantly trying to defend 2 guys). The US really, really needs to keep possession more. Way too much putting the ball in the air unnecessarily(and for some reason the US couldn't do #### on any ball in the air). Just keep it on the ground and string some passes together. Of course, that leads to another issue. Way too many times they gave the ball away, when not even under real pressure. Just US player with the ball, kicks it directly to a Ghana player. Happened several times and is totally inexcusable. Also, the US needs better movement off the ball, to give the guy with the ball outlets when he is under pressure. Much of this would be helped by Michael Bradley not playing like total ####. Johannsson was also pretty poor. He needs to hold up the ball more and not always try to push forward when he has no opening. Passing it back is ok.
   2084. puck Posted: June 16, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4728118)
Mario Balotelli uses Panini album to cover Italy team with own sticker

Edit: Ah hell, already posted way upthread. Well, it's worth celebrating Mario again.
   2085. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4728120)
does anybody think Donovan coming off the bench would have made this game any better?

Looking up some statistics here:

http://www.flashscore.com/soccer/world/world-cup/standings/

only 3 other games had a more lopsided posession than US/Ghana (59% Ghana): FRA(63%)/Hon; Chile(62%)/Aus and NIG(63%)/Iran. BRA and MEX managed 58% games though so not that much of an outlier.

The same site gives GHA credit for 21 "goal attempts" which you can get by clicking on the individual game and pulling up stats. I think that was the most goal attempts by any team so far but again its more about quality than quality.

Still, that sort of posession advantage is very troubling. I didnt know if GHA was known for that sort of thing.
   2086. puck Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:05 PM (#4728125)
From my untrained eye, it seems Howard has gotten better at starting the counter-attack. Maybe that is also Klinsy's "play out of the back more" mantra.

It comes from Roberto Martinez being his manager at Everton.


Huh, I always thought distribution was a strength of his:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWz2BkzcJ1o
   2087. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:06 PM (#4728126)
I went to college with Bedoya's father, fwiw.

also a fine player
   2088. DA Baracus Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:06 PM (#4728127)
But I doubt Argentina practices without Messi or Portugal without CR7.


A few days ago Ronaldo did not practice, only 15-20 minutes of exercise.
   2089. Sunday silence Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:08 PM (#4728128)
The way he went down, I really can't see him coming back,


He didnt really go down in a heap like you see when someone rips a hamstring did he? The way I recall it he was limping around for a while so possibly he can come back later.
   2090. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4728131)
The way I recall it he was limping around for a while so possibly he can come back later.


He took a couple of steps (under momentum), collapsed and never even tried to get up and walk it off.

It wasn't like (say) Besler at all.

My gut says he's done.
   2091. Mefisto Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:10 PM (#4728132)
A few days ago Ronaldo did not practice, only 15-20 minutes of exercise


Yeah, but I see that as very different than planning a game situation without him.
   2092. Mefisto Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:12 PM (#4728133)
does anybody think Donovan coming off the bench would have made this game any better?


Well, he couldn't have contributed any less than Dempsey or AJ. He's still faster than either of them, which might have kept the Ghana defense a bit more honest.
   2093. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:27 PM (#4728137)
   2094. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4728141)
@MC_of_A: xG for #USA v #GHA before Boateng sub: 0.5 US to 0.5 Ghana. After: 1.2 Ghana to 0.2 US. Quality AM between lines a problem for US defense.
   2095. Baldrick Posted: June 16, 2014 at 11:37 PM (#4728142)
Not practicing a key player being unavailable is inexcusable. #### happens, be prepared for anything.

Sort of. But practicing unexpected scenarios trades off with being able to get better in your expected scenarios. I mean, I'm positive they have practiced playing without Altidore, if only because he might get injured or need to be subbed. But it certainly wasn't (and shouldn't have been) a major focus of their limited time.

To have him get injured that early in the game was also a killer (as was being forced to make a like for like sub with Besler-Brooks). It was just too early to radically shift things and they didn't have the substitutions to burn.

Well, he couldn't have contributed any less than Dempsey or AJ. He's still faster than either of them, which might have kept the Ghana defense a bit more honest.

There's no way Donovan would have played in this game even if he was on the bench. Unless you think he'd have been subbed on for Altidore at 20 minutes (very unlikely). The only other sub was for Bedoya, who was clearly struggling and HAD to come off. And Donovan doesn't make any sense there. Going forward, though, if Jozy is in fact done, I sure wouldn't mind having Donovan around to mix things up a bit.
   2096. Sunday silence Posted: June 17, 2014 at 12:13 AM (#4728155)
jeezus I cant watch any more of this ESPN show. Lalas has to be the dumbest sob they've ever had on there. He cant make a single sentence relevant to anything. They asked him about what they do about Altidore's injury going forward and he starts talking about Klinsman and he says Klinsman does it the same way they've done it in the past. WTF???

Casey Keller seems like he's trying to make some pts. He looks like he's lost a lot of weight since his playing days. Is he sick or something?
   2097. Sunday silence Posted: June 17, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4728156)
Not practicing a key player being unavailable is inexcusable. #### happens, be prepared for anything.


the same thing happens in the NFL when QBs goes down. They say they get reps in practice but between the timing with the center and working with the first string it never works out that way. No matter how many times you scream at the TV to get the 2nd QB some reps it never really works out that way.

I would just accept that problems like that happen in soccer.
   2098. AuntBea Posted: June 17, 2014 at 12:25 AM (#4728160)
I gave up listening to Alexi Lalas long ago. He once did have the beard and hair though, which was nice.
   2099. Sunday silence Posted: June 17, 2014 at 01:04 AM (#4728166)
a good choice. They had those english guys on there a few ago what happened to them? they used to have that Irish guy on last cup, he was great.
   2100. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 17, 2014 at 01:54 AM (#4728170)
The Irish guy... Tommy Smyth? The Dick Vitale of soccer?
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