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Monday, June 02, 2014

OT: The Soccer Thread June, 2014

It’s go time!

June 12th Brazil v Croatia

June 13th Mexico v Cameroon, Spain v Holland, Chile v Australia

June 14th Colombia v Greece, Ivory Coast v Japan, Uruguay v Costa Rica, England v Italy

June 15th Switzerland v Ecuador, France v Honduras, Argentina v Bosnia-Herzegovina

June 16th Iran v Nigeria, Germany v Portugal, Ghana v USA

June 17th Brazil v Mexico, Belgium v Algeria, Russia v South Korea

June 18th Cameroon v Croatia, Australia v Holland, Spain v Chile

June 19th Colombia v Ivory Coast, Japan v Greece, Uruguay v England

June 20th Italy v Costa Rica, Switzerland v France, Honduras v Ecuador

June 21st Argentina v Iran, Nigeria vs Bosnia-Herzegovina, Germany v Ghana

June 22nd USA v Portugal, Belgium v Russia, South Korea v Algeria

June 23rd Cameroon v Brazil, Croatia v Mexico, Australia v Spain, Holland v Chile

June 24th Greece v Ivory Coast, Japan v Colombia, Costa Rica v England, Italy v Uruguay

June 25th Ecuador v France, Honduras v Switzerland, Bosnia-Herzegovina v Iran, Nigeria v Argentina

June 26th Portugal v Ghana, USA v Germany, Algeria v Russia, South Korea v Belgium

June 28th Group A winner v Group B runner up, Group C winner v Group D runner up

June 29th Group B winner v Group A runner up, Group D winner v Group C runner up

June 30th Group E winner v Group F runner up, Group G winner v Group H runner up

 

Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 02, 2014 at 10:03 AM | 9133 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2401. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4729166)
Flip repost.
On the US Open Cup, the non-MLS teams still alive are:

Only the Cosmos, Rhinos, Silverbacks and Railhawks have played their 4th rounds, the rest play today, all against MLS teams.
PSA Elite (no wikipedia page)

PSA are an USASA team, meaning they are real amateurs (unlike the PDL which is more or less amateurs).
   2402. just plain joe Posted: June 18, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4729173)
Atlanta Silverbacks


Now there is a team name with possibilities.
   2403. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4729180)
Floop.

Is he starting on the left wing for the Dutch?
   2404. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4729183)
Now there is a team name with possibilities.


They rebranded a few years ago and screwed it up. They had an online vote for either keeping Silverbacks, going back to Chiefs or a write in. Midway through they added FC Atlanta (or Atlanta FC, don't remember) as a fourth option, which predictably lost because it started off behind. Silverbacks (named after Zoo Atlanta's iconic Willie B) won, and it was on to the next step, a new logo. The first round was fan submitted votes which were voted on and then the winner would progress to the next stage against professionally made ones. They screwed that up too by extending the deadline and nearly letting a logo that should have finished well behind the winner get the ballot stuffed by friends to overtake the one in the lead at the original deadline. Thankfully a similar surge had the original lead restored. Full disclosure here, the winner of this state worked for me, though I legitimately liked his logo the best. They screwed this up further by having a fan submission they really liked bypass the first round of voting. So at every step of the process they changed everything on the fly. Fantastic leadership there.

And Eric Wynalda coaches the team via Skype. A mess all around.
   2405. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4729198)
   2406. puck Posted: June 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4729216)
Midway through they added FC Atlanta (or Atlanta FC, don't remember) as a fourth option, which predictably lost because it started off behind.


BTW I hate names like this for US teams. It's like the fundamentalism of a recent religious convert. Or like a cult as opposed to a church in sociological terms. If one is dead set against %region name% %nickname% at least name it %regionname% SC to cut the pretentiousness down a little.
   2407. puck Posted: June 18, 2014 at 11:15 AM (#4729220)
They're resuming, somehow. If you've ever wanted to watch an MLS team play in the middle of a lake into 35mph wind, here's your chance.


Reminds me of how bad things get in CCL games in Central America...or even in Cruz Azul's stadium. As bad as the snow qualifier was, at least the ball could move through that. Not much you can do when the ball hits a pond.
   2408. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 11:35 AM (#4729246)
BTW I hate names like this for US teams. It's like the fundamentalism of a recent religious convert. Or like a cult as opposed to a church in sociological terms. If one is dead set against %region name% %nickname% at least name it %regionname% SC to cut the pretentiousness down a little.


You must be fun at parties.
   2409. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4729265)
While I don't share puck's outright disdain for American team names, DC United and Real Salt Lake is a bit embarrassing. I think "SC" is better than "FC" because even though it really means "soccer club" at least pretentious marketers can say its "sporting club."

I have a feeling the Dutch will be on a bit of a letdown, but will win easily 2-0, although reading more and more about Van Gaal he seems to have the Dutch team frothing at the mouth.
   2410. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4729266)
You must be fun at parties.

I'm with puck. I hate the Euro style names for American teams. We don't call it football. Embrace soccer! If we're going to keep aping the Euros, though, why won't someone go Italian and call it calcio? At least mix it up a bit.
   2411. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM (#4729273)
Oh am I the only who sees "Memphis Depay" and thinks of that Nicholas Cage move "Gone is 60 Seconds?"
   2412. stevegamer Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4729302)
DC United's name never bothered me - It's the capital of the United States, so that reference works.
And obviously the Philadelphia Union name works fine for similar reasons.

Real Salt Lake I pronounce "Reel" since using the Spanish pronunciation would be amazingly dumb. Yes, it's really a Salt Lake there near the City.
   2413. puck Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4729304)
So same lineup for the Netherlands. Are they going to try to ride Sneijder, Robben and Van Persie every game? I had wondered if they might rest someone today.
   2414. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4729309)
Aussies have come to play!
   2415. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4729310)
While "United" may work in that context, the people who picked the name were clearly aping Manchester "United."
   2416. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM (#4729311)
Columbus is planning a rebrand after this season, though it may just be a new logo to replace the Village People Shield.

If they're going to change the name (they may or may not do so) and insist on Europosing, I'd be fine with Columbus SV. It'd be a nice tip of the cap to the huge German-American population in Ohio, a tribute to the Nordecke, and it beats the holy hell out of FC.
   2417. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4729312)
I'm with puck. I hate the Euro style names for American teams. We don't call it football. Embrace soccer! If we're going to keep aping the Euros, though, why won't someone go Italian and call it calcio? At least mix it up a bit.


Thirded (or fourthed)? The other thing I hate is the use of Britisms to describe soccer. You don't use them anywhere else, so why here? Even in this thread you see people doing it subconsiously, with more "well done" and "unlucky" than you'd ever see in typical american english.

I hate Europhilia with a passion, and I hate the marketing of soccer as a sort of hetero-male-acceptable Europhilia.
   2418. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4729315)
So same lineup for the Netherlands. Are they going to try to ride Sneijder, Robben and Van Persie every game? I had wondered if they might rest someone today.

When have any of those players ever been injury-prone or subject to decline from overuse? Never, I say!

But seriously, one game in is not the time to rest your guys. They need 3 points here.
   2419. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4729316)
Having a US team prefixed "royal" should just be offensive to Americans. And no, Royals does not count, even if it's probably the same once you go back far enough. I guess Kings is bad too.

I think I may have defeated my own argument.
   2420. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4729318)
Terrible mistake from the Aussie defender and that's probably that. Tough when the underdog gives up a goal against the run of play.
   2421. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4729319)
3-1 and Robben of course fails to even look at his teammates. Unfortunately he's good enough to make it stick anyway.
   2422. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4729320)
Nevermind. I don't know what I'm talking about. Cahill!!!!!!!!!! What a freaking goal!
   2423. puck Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4729321)
New Jersey's own Tim Cahill!
   2424. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4729322)
Just miserable from Australia. Don't let him get the ball. If he does get the ball, you have to foul him. If you let him get past you, you have to drive him further out wide and dare him to come back onto his right foot. Ugh.
   2425. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4729323)
Wow.
   2426. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4729324)
Cahill!! OMG
   2427. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4729325)
The other thing I hate is the use of Britisms to describe soccer.
A million times this.

It's not football. It's soccer. You know who coined the term soccer? The English. You know who doesn't call soccer "football"? Most of the English-speaking world.

If you walk into a bar in the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand and ask them to put a football game on television, you're not going to see soccer.
   2428. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4729326)
Direct play when it goes right can be just as beautiful as a big build up. Man, what a goal. The Aussie's direct play is stunning Holland early.
   2429. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4729327)
Obviously, playing in MLS renders its players unable to perform world-class feats of skill.
   2430. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4729328)
Oh how have we not talked about the fact that one of the starting midfielders for Holland that dismantled Spain 5-1 is from Canada?
   2431. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4729329)
Holy #### what a goal.
   2432. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4729331)
Hey, Robben cut inside! Who'da thunk he'd do that?
   2433. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4729334)
Aussie fans should start the "We're better than Spain" chant.
   2434. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4729335)
Leckie is just blowing past Martins Indi.
   2435. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4729337)
While I don't share puck's outright disdain for American team names, DC United and Real Salt Lake is a bit embarrassing. I think "SC" is better than "FC" because even though it really means "soccer club" at least pretentious marketers can say its "sporting club."

DC United missed a real opportunity when they didn't named themselves Associazione Calcio (or maybe just Athletic Club) DC.
   2436. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4729338)
So weird seeing De Oranje being De Blauwe.
   2437. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4729341)
DC United missed a real opportunity when they didn't named themselves Associazione Calcio (or maybe just Athletic Club) DC.

They sure did!
   2438. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4729342)
Imagine all the big balls they'd have sold.
   2439. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4729345)
Thirded (or fourthed)? The other thing I hate is the use of Britisms to describe soccer. You don't use them anywhere else, so why here? Even in this thread you see people doing it subconsiously, with more "well done" and "unlucky" than you'd ever see in typical american english.

Oh come on. This is just how language works. You pick up terminology and phrases from the way that people talk in the communities you interact with. This is how countless terms and phrases have entered the English language and become common. I don’t think about it particularly consciously, but I definitely find myself calling it football when I’m talking with my German or Ukrainian or British or Mexican friends and soccer when I’m talking with my American friends. Unless, like me, they don’t care even a little bit about American football and there wouldn’t be any confusion.

I am more sympathetic to the dislike for names like Real Salt Lake. But even there, I don’t see why being part of the American linguistic community is somehow automatically dominant over participation in the global soccer community.
   2440. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4729346)
Oh come on! Put it away! Dammit.

BTW, I love Jedinak as a player. He can play for Spurs anytime. I am the only one in the world who thinks this, I know.
   2441. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4729351)
But even there, I don’t see why being part of the American linguistic community is somehow automatically dominant over participation in the global soccer community.

Homogenization sucks. Let us bring our American-ness to the global soccer community.
   2442. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4729352)
Man what a chance. I really like this Leckie fellow.
   2443. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM (#4729353)
This game should give us all a lot of hope--a bad performance against Ghana doesn't mean the USA can't come out swinging in game 2. A little confidence, a little more familiarity with the routine of the tournament...We can turn it on, still.
   2444. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4729354)
Man what a chance. I really like this Leckie fellow.

yeah, he caused Chile all kinds of trouble, too. He's been the revelation of the tourney for me. I guess he's signed for Ingolstadt for next season.
   2445. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4729355)
Let us bring our American-ness to the global soccer community.
Concur. I see much of the Anglophilia of American soccer fans as a manifestation of a massive inferiority complex.

Yes, their league is better than ours. Their national team, despite a general lack of competitive results that would indicate this, is better than ours.

That doesn't mean our soccer culture isn't worthwhile, vibrant, and worth presenting to the world. Screw the haters.
   2446. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4729356)
I still expect the Dutch to win this one, because they’ll probably pick up another goal or two by pouncing on mistakes (like their first one). But man they do not look very good.
   2447. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4729362)
So far this game is really helping my long argument with an Australian friend last night that the Dutch aren't anywhere as good as the result vs. Spain implied.
   2448. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4729365)
If the Aussies can pull this out and Spain beats Chile, this group will be in full melt down. Probably won't happen but I can dream.
   2449. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4729370)
And it's a field, not a pitch, they play on.
   2450. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:46 PM (#4729372)
Martins Indi going off is bad news for the Aussies since Leckie has been killing him.
   2451. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4729374)
"He certainly won't be going to another tournament at the ripe old age of 34"

Australia can field 22 better players than a 34 year old Tim Cahill?
   2452. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM (#4729378)
Good job Aussies. I guess we'll see what kind of genius van Gaal is now, though his having to bring on Depay will probably work out well.
   2453. puck Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM (#4729379)
So, hypothetically, is a player suspended for every 2 yellow cards? So Cahill could miss the 3rd group stage game, then get a yellow in round of 16 and a 2nd in the quarterfinal and be suspended for the semi final game?
   2454. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM (#4729380)
What a weird time to bring on a sub. Should have done it 20 minutes ago
   2455. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:50 PM (#4729382)
What a weird time to bring on a sub. Should have done it 20 minutes ago

Injury replacement.

I am really tired of that potato that looks like a vagina popping up at the bottom of this page.
   2456. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:50 PM (#4729383)
You don't use them anywhere else, so why here? Even in this thread you see people doing it subconsiously, with more "well done" and "unlucky" than you'd ever see in typical american english.

I hate Europhilia with a passion, and I hate the marketing of soccer as a sort of hetero-male-acceptable Europhilia.


Did I say snog again? Bloody hell.
   2457. puck Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM (#4729384)
I've been trying to catch the game while working; was Indi getting beat because he's hurt or just due to plain old suckage?

Edit: Ah, Shooty has posted in while I was writing that.
   2458. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM (#4729385)
Their national team, despite a general lack of competitive results that would indicate this, is better than ours.

If I'm reading this page correctly, we're 2-0-1 all-time against England in competitive* matches. 1-0-1 in World Cup games.

*Depending on whether the US Cup was competitive or not.
   2459. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4729386)
Injury replacement

Oh, weird. I turned away for like 30 seconds. Well, they still should have done it 20 minutes ago.

Edit: Oh, it's from the Cahill tackle?
   2460. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4729388)
Best goal so far?

Van Persie's flying header/chip
Dempsey's mazy run
Cahill's volley

I gotta go with RVP still. That was amazing.
   2461. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4729390)
How would we exercise without Nike's expensive digital technology?
   2462. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4729391)
If I'm reading this page correctly, we're 2-0-1 all-time against England in competitive* matches. 1-0-1 in World Cup games.


Can't be since I was at the US's loss to England in Chicago.

My bad...you weren't counting friendlies.


Oooops. Am I not allowed to say 'friendlies' anymore? I meant exhibition games.
   2463. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4729396)
But that was a friendly.

I don't think that the US Cup is generally considered to have been competitive. The Bicentennial Cup in 1976 most definitely was not.
   2464. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4729402)
RVP.

I also really liked Robben's first goal against Spain (the touch to bring down that ball was fantastic), Messi's run (better than Dempsey's), and the last two Costa Rica goals. Oh, and the Swiss winner!
   2465. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4729405)
DC United and Real Salt Lake is a bit embarrassing. I think "SC" is better than "FC" because even though it really means "soccer club" at least pretentious marketers can say its "sporting club."


Co-signed. DC and RSL are the worst names. Sporting KC doesn't bother me as much, the idea was for them to also have teams in other sports but that hasn't come to fruition.

DC United's name never bothered me - It's the capital of the United States, so that reference works.


The problem is European teams with "United" in their name have that because they were the merger of two teams. DC United wasn't. But their logo is really cool.
   2466. Manny Coon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4729406)
Obviously, playing in MLS renders its players unable to perform world-class feats of skill.


Aging MLS players who used to play for Everton aren't remotely the level of Brad Davis or Julian Green.
   2467. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4729412)

Oh come on. This is just how language works. You pick up terminology and phrases from the way that people talk in the communities you interact with. This is how countless terms and phrases have entered the English language and become common. I don’t think about it particularly consciously, but I definitely find myself calling it football when I’m talking with my German or Ukrainian or British or Mexican friends and soccer when I’m talking with my American friends. Unless, like me, they don’t care even a little bit about American football and there wouldn’t be any confusion.
This. While I share people's dislike for the weird MLS names, I think the language issue is different. I'm sure some people use the british terms in an attempt to be holier-than-thou, but mostly it's done because that's the terminology that is used in the vast majority of the soccer commentary and discussion available to English speakers. If you follow the premier league regularly and want to read about it or listen to podcasts, those are the terms that will be used. Sports have specialized vocabularies and it just so happens that the English got to this sport first.
   2468. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4729413)
BTW, reports from the Portuguese camp that their doctor has told Cristiano that he is putting his career at risk by playing with this injury.
   2469. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4729414)
When discussing the competitive abilities of American leagues...I do want to point out that the NASL held their own in exhibition matches.
   2470. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4729415)
Soccerrooooooos!!
   2471. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4729416)
Holy fucking shit!
   2472. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4729417)
Oh my.

Seems harsh given that he didn't have much of a chance to get out of the way, but his arms were away from his body I guess?
   2473. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4729418)
BTW, reports from the Portuguese camp that their doctor has told Cristiano that he is putting his career at risk by playing with this injury.


Just building narrative.
   2474. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4729419)
Jedinak! everybody kangaroo!!!!!
   2475. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4729420)
Oh that's an insane call. Come the #### on.
   2476. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4729421)
The ref has to make the handball call.
His arms were away from his body, the ball changed course, and the Netherlands gained an advantage (as it went out of play instead of back to an Aussie).

   2477. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4729422)
Dammit.
   2478. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4729423)
OMG this is the best World Cup ever.
So. Many. Goals.
   2479. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4729424)
What a crazy game

After seeing the replay, sloppy job playing RVP onside there :/
   2480. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4729425)
No matter what happens, this game has been a hell of a lot better than expected.
   2481. puck Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4729427)
While I share people's dislike for the weird MLS soccer names, I think the language issue is different.

I'd tend to agree. I guess it depends on what people mean about language. "Pitch" I always thought was like "diamond," a name specific to the sport for a playing field.

What a game! I need to stop working and watch more.

Who had the throughball to Van Persie, Memphis?
   2482. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4729429)
I hate the Daily Mail too, but they've got pictures of Cristiano limping off the training ground today with his knee covered in ice.
   2483. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4729430)
It doesn't matter where his arms are. The only judgement is if it is deliberate.

Edit: I see from nosing around the net that refs will call it if the arm is away from the body*, but not if the person has no time to get his arm out of the way. So....

*actually the guy I'm quoting says 'unnatural'. I don't think the guys arm was in an unnatural position given his stride to block the shot.
   2484. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4729434)
It doesn't matter where his arms are. The only judgement is if it is deliberate.

Technically, yeah, but that doesn't seem the way it's called in practice anymore.
   2485. jmurph Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4729437)
A draw or loss for the Hollandish would be a devastating result for us Spain haters.
   2486. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4729438)
Well, poop. Just poop.
   2487. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4729439)

Technically, yeah, but that doesn't seem the way it's called in practice anymore.
Yeah, I think the current interpretation is that having your arms in unnatural position (ie, away from your body) is a deliberate attempt to block the ball. Which kind of makes sense. If everyone in a wall stuck their arms straight up before the ball was kicked, I don't think they should get out of a handball just because none of them moved their hands post-kick. Obviously, this call was in a much grayer area.
   2488. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4729440)
Hollandish
I always thought it was Hollandaise.
   2489. Big Ears Teddy shouldn't see TFTIO Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4729441)
!!!
   2490. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4729442)
Damn, what a missed opportunity there.

And the Dutch make them pay right after, gk should have had that though.
   2491. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4729443)
Oh, Leckie! What a waste!

And then immediately to the other end. Boooooo.
   2492. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4729445)
Bummer for Australia. Good news for my Twatball team.
   2493. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4729446)
A draw or loss for the Hollandish would be a devastating result for us Spain haters.


And Cahill will miss the Spain game.

And.... nevermind.
   2494. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4729448)
As in baseball, it's hard to deal with the curveball.
   2495. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4729449)
Australia has been great in this game, but the lack of technical ability has really doomed them. It could/should really be 3-2 the other way.
   2496. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4729451)
Straight ball, gloves save very much. Curve ball, gloves are afraid.
   2497. puck Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:31 PM (#4729455)
RE: the handball--refs typically also take into account he proximity of the defender. But also whether their arms are out "unnaturally," thus making the defender bigger. That probably factored in here, even though it's pretty hard to run without moving your arms like that.

   2498. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:33 PM (#4729457)
Nice try, Robben
   2499. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4729459)
Nice try, Leckie.
   2500. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4729461)
The refs have caught on!
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