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OT: The Soccer Thread June, 2014

It’s go time!

June 12th Brazil v Croatia

June 13th Mexico v Cameroon, Spain v Holland, Chile v Australia

June 14th Colombia v Greece, Ivory Coast v Japan, Uruguay v Costa Rica, England v Italy

June 15th Switzerland v Ecuador, France v Honduras, Argentina v Bosnia-Herzegovina

June 16th Iran v Nigeria, Germany v Portugal, Ghana v USA

June 17th Brazil v Mexico, Belgium v Algeria, Russia v South Korea

June 18th Cameroon v Croatia, Australia v Holland, Spain v Chile

June 19th Colombia v Ivory Coast, Japan v Greece, Uruguay v England

June 20th Italy v Costa Rica, Switzerland v France, Honduras v Ecuador

June 21st Argentina v Iran, Nigeria vs Bosnia-Herzegovina, Germany v Ghana

June 22nd USA v Portugal, Belgium v Russia, South Korea v Algeria

June 23rd Cameroon v Brazil, Croatia v Mexico, Australia v Spain, Holland v Chile

June 24th Greece v Ivory Coast, Japan v Colombia, Costa Rica v England, Italy v Uruguay

June 25th Ecuador v France, Honduras v Switzerland, Bosnia-Herzegovina v Iran, Nigeria v Argentina

June 26th Portugal v Ghana, USA v Germany, Algeria v Russia, South Korea v Belgium

June 28th Group A winner v Group B runner up, Group C winner v Group D runner up

June 29th Group B winner v Group A runner up, Group D winner v Group C runner up

June 30th Group E winner v Group F runner up, Group G winner v Group H runner up

 

Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 02, 2014 at 10:03 AM | 9133 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2501. TFTIO is familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4729462)
I am a big fan of the spray paint.
   2502. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4729463)
So who overpays for Leckie? QPR? West Ham?
   2503. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4729464)
De Jong may be an ass but he plays with a lot of energy, and really plugs holes in the defensive midfield.
   2504. Textbook Editor Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4729468)
While I share people's dislike for the weird MLS names, I think the language issue is different. I'm sure some people use the british terms in an attempt to be holier-than-thou, but mostly it's done because that's the terminology that is used in the vast majority of the soccer commentary and discussion available to English speakers.


If loving the phrase "it's all gone pear-shaped" is wrong I don't want to be right.
   2505. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4729469)
Thanks to the Aussies for giving it a go today and entertaining. They can hold their heads up high after their first two games, results be damned.
   2506. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4729473)
After a very exciting game, Australia did not have many genuine chances in the last 20 minutes.
   2507. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4729474)
So, the Netherlands are the first team to clinch a spot in the next round, while a win by Spain today keeps the other three teams alive for that second playoff spot.
   2508. Richard Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4729476)
Apparently that's the seventh time a team has come from behind to win in this tournament - the record is nine.
   2509. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4729479)
The Netherlands haven't clinched yet. They can still (technically) lose the last game to Chile by some ridiculous number of goals, with Spain winning their two games.
   2510. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4729481)
Well, the Netherlands have clinched a spot to the next round, but not guaranteed the top spot.
(I'm assuming the top 2 teams in each group moves on...is that not the case?)
The best that Spain can do is win their last two games, to tie the Dutch.
The best that Chile can do is win their last two games, to be ahead of the Dutch, but then that means Spain can only have won one game, which leaves them behind the Dutch.
   2511. madvillain Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4729484)
Anyone got a handy list of current MLS players in the WC? Costa Rica has a number right?
   2512. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4729488)
The problem is European teams with "United" in their name have that because they were the merger of two teams. DC United wasn't.


I like "DC United" because the metro area spans 3 jurisdictions. It probably means more to me since I can remember the Capitol Bullets.
   2513. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4729489)
   2514. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4729490)
Anyone got a handy list of current MLS players in the WC? Costa Rica has a number right?

Honduras has a few, too. Don't have a list, though.
   2515. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4729491)
Here you go.

2509 is right. Holland can still go out if they, Chile and Spain are on 6 points and they somehow have the worst goal difference of the three.
   2516. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:04 PM (#4729494)
Well, the Netherlands have clinched a spot to the next round, but not guaranteed the top spot.
(I'm assuming the top 2 teams in each group moves on...is that not the case?)
The best that Spain can do is win their last two games, to tie the Dutch.
The best that Chile can do is win their last two games, to be ahead of the Dutch, but then that means Spain can only have won one game, which leaves them behind the Dutch.

There are no ties. If they all end on six points, it goes to tiebreakers. The first tiebreaker is goal difference, though, which obviously puts them in commanding position. So they've effective qualified, even if it hasn't technically happened yet.
   2517. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4729502)
Brazil:
Julio Cesar (Toronto FC)

Australia:
Tim Cahill (New York Red Bulls)

Costa Rica:
Giancarlo Gonzalez (Columbus Crew)
Waylon Francis (Columbus Crew)
Roy Miller (New York Red Bulls)

Ecuador:
Oswaldo Minda (Chivas USA)

Honduras:
Marvin Chavez (Chivas USA)
Oscar Boniek Garcia (Houston Dymano)
Jerry Bengtson (New England Revolution)
Victor Brenardez (San Jose Earthquakes)

Iran:
Steven Beitashour (Vancouver Whitecaps FC)

USA:
Michael Bradley (Toronto FC)
Brad Davis (Houston Dynamo)
Omar Gonzalez (Los Angeles Galaxy)
Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake)
Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)
Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes)
DeAndre Yedlin (Seattle Sounders FC)
Clint Dempsey (Seattle Sounders FC)
Matt Besler (Sporting Kansas City)
Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)
   2518. madvillain Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4729506)
Sweet, thanks @2517. I love that Julio Cesar plays for Toronto. They got some big names coming into MLS even if they are past their prime and even though their transfer value is shrunk and the salaries bloated these are still effective players.
   2519. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4729507)
2509 is right. Holland can still go out if they, Chile and Spain are on 6 points and they somehow have the worst goal difference of the three.

Oh, right. I guess that's still a possibility if Spain wins today and beats Australia, and then Chile beats Netherlands by a large number.
Sorry, lost track of who plays who in the last game.
   2520. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4729511)
The list in 2515 seems to be the original 30-man rosters. Donovan is listed on the US squad.
   2521. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4729525)
None of the Colombians are from MLS? MLS has tons of Colombians. That speaks to the strength of that national team I guess.
   2522. Sunday silence Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:22 PM (#4729529)
Looking ahead perhaps over optimistically, if the US were to make it out of the group, the Group H teams are quite weak: Russia and Belgium dont seem to be world powers. That's likely who the US would play if they can get 2nd in the group. THe winner of that would likely play GER in the quarter finals assuming no more surprises.

One could not ask for a more favorable draw into the medal round, I dont think.
   2523. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:24 PM (#4729530)
Ah, you're right.

I shouldn't have trusted MLS to be accurate about such things. It's weird, though. It identifies the "alternates" for all countries other than the US.
   2524. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4729533)
Spain is sitting Xavi and Pique in favor of Pedro and Javi Martinez. Del Bosque kept Iker in.
   2525. TFTIO is familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4729534)
It would be hilarious if the Dutch top the group only to face Brazil.
   2526. Sunday silence Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4729541)
someone upthread asked about yellow cards. They do accumulate and you have to sit the next game when you get two. However, I believe they are reset after the quarter finals, IIRC.

WHich doenst really make much sense. The rule seems to be changed ever world cup.

So I guess you can foul away in the quarter final game, for whatever sense that makes.

Best WC I have ever seen is the current one. that last game was very good for an outclassed Aussie team.
   2527. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4729542)
#2522

I was praying for Algeria to draw against Belgium. It took Belgium a while to get into the game, but when they did, they looked terrific on the attack. I had visions of the Ghana game, except with a team that can finish. The US would get shredded by them.
   2528. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4729543)
While I share people's dislike for the weird MLS names, I think the language issue is different. I'm sure some people use the british terms in an attempt to be holier-than-thou, but mostly it's done because that's the terminology that is used in the vast majority of the soccer commentary and discussion available to English speakers.


I find myself lapsing into some of this stuff when I'm talking with more diehard soccer fan friends. I feel like referring to "the pitch" or "football" is like referring to the diamond in baseball. It's just part of the lingo of the game.
   2529. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4729568)
Looking ahead perhaps over optimistically, if the US were to make it out of the group, the Group H teams are quite weak: Russia and Belgium dont seem to be world powers. That's likely who the US would play if they can get 2nd in the group. THe winner of that would likely play GER in the quarter finals assuming no more surprises.

Belgium is very very good. The US would be heavy underdogs against them.

Arguably, we might match up well against them because they would be much less likely to exploit us on the wings. And we could much more easily clog them up in the midfield. But...they have better players at basically every position. They're unlikely to play as poorly as they did against Algeria again. And they didn't really play that badly.

So I guess you can foul away in the quarter final game, for whatever sense that makes.

No. It's the opposite. If you pick up your second yellow in the quarterfinal, you miss the semis.

The thing that really ticked people off about the old system was that a second yellow in the semis could be combined with a yellow much earlier and cause the best players in the world to miss the WC final.
   2530. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4729571)
2536, there have been occasions in the past where the yellow card accumulation rules have been changed mid-tournament.

The rationale for the current rule is that it minimizes the likelihood that a player will miss the Final due to an accumulation of yellow cards, as that can only happen if he picks one up in each of the Quarters and Semis. The previous break point had been the end of the Group stages, which allowed players another game in which to accumulate cards.
   2531. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4729577)
I kind of knew it but was just looking at the standings (I won't say "table") and Spain really are ###### even with a draw aren't they? With that they'll have to make up six goals and hope the Dutch beat Chile.
   2532. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:01 PM (#4729584)
It's funny that pitch was brought up twice. Of all the words in the world that are fine to adopt, a 'new' definition of pitch shouldn't be among them. Do you know how many uses of 'pitch' there already are? It's especially weird because I assume the usage comes from cricket (being at least 100 years older, though it may have meant field before that and was just picked up by soccer), but cricket is played on a field. The pitch is not the entire field, it's the manicured part in the middle that deliveries are bounced off.
   2533. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4729589)
I find myself lapsing into some of this stuff when I'm talking with more diehard soccer fan friends. I feel like referring to "the pitch" or "football" is like referring to the diamond in baseball. It's just part of the lingo of the game.


(a) they've been playing soccer in the US for dozens of years, and "field", "soccer" et al are already established. What happens is that use of the Britishisms signifies, perhaps subconsciously, that one is a Sophisticated Fan.

(b) these terms are not global. Well, maybe "football" is global, but that's the word that has perhaps the most entrenched alternative in American english. But otherwise, these aren't "global", they're Britishisms, and they signify that one watches British soccer or reads about soccer on UK websites.

I fail to understand why adopting British words - which, for the most part, have established American equivalents - is anything other than quasi-conscious code switching.
   2534. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:07 PM (#4729592)
Jose, don't you mean "tie"?

There is zero chance of me adhering to these supposed language standards.

Zack, "pitch" is used pretty interchangeably in cricket to refer to both the "manicured part" (also called the wicket, somewhat confusingly given that the wicket is also the target at which one bowls) and the entire playing surface. A "field" in cricket is most often a reference to what we might call the defensive alignment (i.e., where the fielders are placed).
   2535. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4729606)
Do any club teams regularly use a 3-4-1-2? I'm not sure I've seen any described that way before, though obviously formation names aren't particularly meaningful.

Beautiful save. Chile are going to have to manage the ball better or they will have a bad time.
   2536. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4729609)
   2537. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4729610)
Do goalkeepers usually wear a cup?
   2538. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4729611)
The British term that always throws me is "blinder" as in "Cameron played a blinder tonight." It sounds like a negative term to me but is used to mean something very positive.
   2539. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:20 PM (#4729617)
Goodnight Spain?
   2540. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:20 PM (#4729618)
The idea is that the performance was so "bright" that it blinded the opposition and observers.
   2541. TFTIO is familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4729619)
OH MY
   2542. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4729620)
The idea is that the performance was so "bright" that it blinded the opposition and observers.


Ah, thanks!
   2543. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4729621)
That was some sweet passing.
   2544. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4729622)
Well they missed about seven different tackles there. Only themselves to blame.
   2545. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4729623)
Was the ball passed/shot through Ramos' legs three different times in that sequence?
   2546. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4729624)
Was that awful defense? Seemed like it.
   2547. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4729625)
Wow. So when is the last time the reigning champs went out in the group stage?
   2548. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4729626)
Good passing, especially that great ball from Alexis Sanchez.
   2549. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4729630)
Vargas, even more Dries Martens, is a guy Napoli haven't really used to their advantage (he's been on loan to Valencia).
   2550. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4729631)
I want to say France.
   2551. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4729632)
However, some great patience on the scorer to hold it and let the keeper make his move. If he shoots straight away, the keeper probably stops it.
   2552. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4729633)
Wow. So when is the last time the reigning champs went out in the group stage?

Italy in 2010! It's actually pretty common for it to happen.
   2553. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4729634)
Apparently not that uncommon. Italy were out in the group stage last time after winning in 2006 and France went out in 2002 after winning in 1998. I stopped looking then. That surprises me.
   2554. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:24 PM (#4729635)
But this would be the first time one went out after only two games.
   2555. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4729639)
play the game, Silva.
   2556. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4729642)
What a stupid card for Vidal
   2557. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4729643)
I wish cards would come out for that BS stuff a lot more often. Always annoyed me.
   2558. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4729645)
Russia and Belgium dont seem to be world powers.


This was from a while ago, but I wanted to come back to it -- Belgium had an off day, but any team that has a player as good as Fellaini coming off the bench is going to score goals. Their defense is a little suspect, but that's true of almost every team in the tournament this year, it seems.
   2559. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4729647)
Why did Del Bosque try to shoehorn Costa so late into the lineup? Couldn't he have waited until the next cycle for the Euros to do that? I know there was risk he would have stayed with Brazil - but in this run of championships, no one Spanish player has been bigger than the group.
   2560. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4729649)
Why did Del Bosque try to shoehorn Costa so late into the lineup?

I bet if he hadn't Costa would be playing for Brazil. He's their Julian Green!
   2561. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4729652)
I don't think Costa is the problem either. We've seen it some with Barcelona in the last couple of years that sometimes it's helpful to have that battering ram/poacher in there. Spain just haven't played well as a group so far.
   2562. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4729654)
Couldn't they lump it up to the big Michu in the box?
   2563. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4729662)
Torres for Costa? Please no.
   2564. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:43 PM (#4729667)
Just to play armchair psychologist, I think this Spain team has 1. Won everything for club and for country and may have lost a bit of their hunger 2. Have been playing non-stop for the last 6 years with their FA sending them all over the world to cash in on their success to go along with deep runs in every tournament, both internationally and domestically. The key players are also getting a little older. All of these things probably aren't disastrous on their own but just enough to cause them to slip a bit in quality and other teams sense it and are going after them.
   2565. Textbook Editor Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4729669)
Stupid question: Is there actually a 12-man substitutes bench, or are only 7 of the 12 eligible in any given game (like in club games)?
   2566. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4729670)
And that is the final nail. Man, what a great run they had, though, right? 3 straight major trophies in a row.

Terrible from Casillas again.
   2567. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4729671)
Great follow-up shot. Terrible punch from Casillas. Wow.
   2568. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4729672)
Absolute garbage by Casillas.
   2569. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4729675)
Wow, really awful from Casillas.
   2570. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4729676)
This is turning into Atahualpa's revenge.
   2571. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4729677)
If Chile manages to win by 3, they only need to draw the Netherlands to top the group.
   2572. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4729680)
Spain looks bad.
   2573. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4729681)
I also think that Spain has a problem with being in must-score situations -- it disrupts their style of play and pretty much puts the Del Bosque strategy in the freezer. Their ball-control tactics simply aren't built to overcome deficits. That's fine as long as the whole team is fresh and in its prime, but neither one of those things is quite true anymore.
   2574. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4729684)
Is it just me or do Spain look unwilling or unable to...run. Is that only in comparison to Chile?
   2575. Textbook Editor Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4729685)
Shooty--my sense (both with Spain and Barcelona) is that it's just very hard to play the same style for an 6-7 year window and not have teams adjust successfully to it.

I'm sure the miles on the legs of Xavi, etc. don't help either, but they've just not adjusted well to the adjustments other clubs/countries have made to playing against tiki-taka.

The 2011 Champions League final is starting to look like the pinnacle of tiki-taka (I'd argue even with their win in the 2012 Euros, it was clear that they were vulnerable.)
   2576. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:49 PM (#4729688)
Also, Casillas' days as a top-flight goalkeeper might be over. Unless this is just the worst luck any dude has ever had ever in the history of soccer.
   2577. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:49 PM (#4729691)
Spain are in last place in the entire competition right now. The North Korea of this tournament so far. (Yeah, I'm just being mean now. It's just so surreal to them getting spanked again.)
   2578. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4729692)
Is it just me or do Spain look unwilling or unable to...run. Is that just in comparison to Chile?


In the last 20 minutes against the Netherlands (when they romped but only managed 1 or 2 goals out of 5 or 6 they could have had), this was very evident. I also asked if it was mental or physical or both.
   2579. Sunday silence Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4729697)
The rationale for the current rule is that it minimizes the likelihood that a player will miss the Final due to an accumulation of yellow cards, as that can only happen if he picks one up in each of the Quarters and Semis. The previous break point had been the end of the Group stages, which allowed players another game in which to accumulate cards.


this actually makes a bit of sense. Thank you .
   2580. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4729700)
I'm really hoping they get a goal early in the second half. I just want to see whether a bit of adrenaline and belief coming back will re-ignite them. Because I really hate sports psychologizing and all that, but it's hard to see any other explanation. They seem to simultaneously be a little bemused, sort of shocked, and also on tilt. It's a uniquely disarming combination. Same thing happened for the last 40 minutes of the previous game.

A Spain that can't pass crisply and isn't willing or able to press intensely just isn't a very good team.
   2581. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4729704)
my sense (both with Spain and Barcelona) is that it's just very hard to play the same style for an 6-7 year window and not have teams adjust successfully to it


But the funny thing is that this hasn't been so much a failure of the tikitaka midfield play as it has been a total breakdown of defense, in both matches. Spain has won time of possession pretty handily in both matches (well, so far today, but you see what I'm saying).
   2582. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4729705)
I can understand that some players have lost the hunger. However, the team isn't especially old. Puyol retired from the last team, and Villa is a bit player now. Xavi, Alonso and Iniesta are the only starters 30 or older and there are world class replacements. Casillas isn't old for a keeper but Mourinho may have been right about benching him (or the benching messed with Iker's confidence) and there is plenty of depth there.

Imagine if Silva puts away that chance in the first half against Netherlands - would we be writing Spain's obituary?
   2583. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4729707)
MCoA says xGoal battle is basically a draw. 0.8 for Spain, 0.7 for Chile.
   2584. Sunday silence Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4729712)
I like those few notes of a theme song they play with cartoon Brazilian kid on the commercial breaks. Anybody know what that is? "Ohh Way-Ahhh." or something...

Also dont need to hear any more stories from the Bacardi family history. What country are they from anyhow? Mexico, Im guessing? That creepy guy walking through fire or whatever just creeps me out, but I guess I am not the target market for rum. It's pretty good rum, though.
   2585. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4729714)
What country are they from anyhow? Mexico, Im guessing?


Cuba is the country being referenced.
   2586. Mefisto Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4729715)
I said this last game, but having Costa up front is not working. They need to change the formation (e.g., pair him with Mata) or take him out and use a false 9.

I also don't understand Del Bosque's selections. Leaving Casillas in is what a club manager would do. It's the wrong call for the WC. I wasn't impressed with Alonso last game, and I'd have replaced him with Martinez today.
   2587. madvillain Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4729718)
MCoA says xGoal battle is basically a draw. 0.8 for Spain, 0.7 for Chile.


Chile just has TWTW*

*the Will to Win
   2588. Sunday silence Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:03 PM (#4729721)
what is our hindsight predictions for this game?
   2589. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:06 PM (#4729726)
the fifa rankings are hard to fahtom at this point
   2590. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:07 PM (#4729728)
Del Bosque is really loyal. See also: Torres. Given how successful this team has been, and how much it has held together, I can certainly see the argument for it. I have a hard time believing the replacement options were enough better to overcome the general strength of this team, which has been the sense of confidence that comes from knowing that you do your thing, and don't react to singular events.

Of course, that strategy only works until it stops working. Which seems like it might have been an hour ago.

Agreed on Costa. It's not working at all. Silva has also apparently forgotten how to pass the ball, so that's a problem for them, too.
   2591. madvillain Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:08 PM (#4729732)
the fifa rankings are hard to fahtom at this point


They looked good in the Confederations Cup last summer. As posted in @2586, some of this is just bad luck and small sample.
   2592. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4729736)
Spain are looking more like themselves now.
   2593. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4729737)
Couldn't happen to nicer guy.
   2594. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4729738)
well that didnt go so well
   2595. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4729740)
Oh my.
   2596. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4729741)
Yo, I could have scored that goal there! Terrible
   2597. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4729743)
Yeah, honestly, if Spain brought their finishing boots to this tournament and Casillas wasn't playing like crap, we probably wouldn't be talking about them being in crisis.
   2598. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:15 PM (#4729744)
Now warming up for Spain: Harry Redknapp's wife.
   2599. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4729748)
spain appear to be trying to kill the clock, which makes very little sense down 2 nil
   2600. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4729751)
spain appear to be trying to kill the clock, which makes very little sense down 2 nil


But it's what they do in the second half of every match!
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