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OT: The Soccer Thread June, 2014

It’s go time!

June 12th Brazil v Croatia

June 13th Mexico v Cameroon, Spain v Holland, Chile v Australia

June 14th Colombia v Greece, Ivory Coast v Japan, Uruguay v Costa Rica, England v Italy

June 15th Switzerland v Ecuador, France v Honduras, Argentina v Bosnia-Herzegovina

June 16th Iran v Nigeria, Germany v Portugal, Ghana v USA

June 17th Brazil v Mexico, Belgium v Algeria, Russia v South Korea

June 18th Cameroon v Croatia, Australia v Holland, Spain v Chile

June 19th Colombia v Ivory Coast, Japan v Greece, Uruguay v England

June 20th Italy v Costa Rica, Switzerland v France, Honduras v Ecuador

June 21st Argentina v Iran, Nigeria vs Bosnia-Herzegovina, Germany v Ghana

June 22nd USA v Portugal, Belgium v Russia, South Korea v Algeria

June 23rd Cameroon v Brazil, Croatia v Mexico, Australia v Spain, Holland v Chile

June 24th Greece v Ivory Coast, Japan v Colombia, Costa Rica v England, Italy v Uruguay

June 25th Ecuador v France, Honduras v Switzerland, Bosnia-Herzegovina v Iran, Nigeria v Argentina

June 26th Portugal v Ghana, USA v Germany, Algeria v Russia, South Korea v Belgium

June 28th Group A winner v Group B runner up, Group C winner v Group D runner up

June 29th Group B winner v Group A runner up, Group D winner v Group C runner up

June 30th Group E winner v Group F runner up, Group G winner v Group H runner up

 

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   2601. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4729755)
Torres is clearly the answer.
   2602. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4729760)
My mom's favorite soccer player has taken the field.
   2603. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4729761)
Torres is clearly the answer.

To the question: What is the precise moment when Spain's hopes officially died?
   2604. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4729762)
a shot on goal, its been what 20 minutes since we saw one of those? and it against spain
   2605. SteveF Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4729763)
Torres is clearly the answer.

Makes me fear the question.
   2606. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4729765)
My mom's favorite soccer player has taken the field.
At least she picked someone who has trouble scoring...
   2607. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4729766)
How is Sanchez' pantleg still up? Is it taped?
   2608. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4729767)
Wow, this is poor from Spain here. Long kicks to nobody? It's like watching the USA.

. . . and they almost gave up a third goal.
   2609. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4729768)
well that would have been a further pointless nail in the coffin
   2610. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4729773)
At least she picked someone who has trouble scoring.


I laughed.
   2611. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4729776)
ok that was all kind of dreadful by spain, 10 or 11 passes that go nowhere followed by a terrible turnover leading to another decent chance for chile
   2612. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4729778)
So, as it stands, the final games in this group will just be for seeding, right?
   2613. TFTIO is familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4729780)
Final game. Australia vs Spain looks like an opportunity for the Soccerroos to get their kicks in.
   2614. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4729782)
just be for seeding, right?


"Just" to avoid Brazil.
   2615. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4729783)
So, as it stands, the final games in this group will just be for seeding, right?


Only if Chile & the Netherlands care enough about seeding to not rest their stars. Van Persie's out on cards, right? I suspect the Netherlands will be fielding some guys you've never heard of next week. It's funny how these "seeding" matches tend to end up 0-0 draws a lot of the time.
   2616. TFTIO is familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4729789)
The CBC announcer helpfully informs us that Torres had four at the Maracanã against Tahiti. Yes, I'm sure that experience is meaningful.
   2617. TFTIO is familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4729792)
If Chile play like this they're going to overrun the Dutch.
   2618. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4729795)
The moment of the game has arrived where Chile should push for a third goal, which would allow them to draw the next game and finish first in the group. There is virtually no chance spain score 3 now, and a draw is just as good as a 2 goal win for Chile.
   2619. Langer Monk Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4729796)
I wonder what the odds were a week ago on "Spain will not score from open play in their first two games".
   2620. Swedish Chef Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4729797)
I wonder if I can get some good odds on Australia beating Spain.
   2621. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4729800)
Jesus, the announcers are so annoying. Spain really hasn't been that bad. They are playing a very good team and honestly have been better apart from their ability to finish and the quality of the keeper. Which, obviously, is really important. So it's not like they deserve the three points or anything. But they haven't been terrible in the second half.
   2622. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4729802)
spain has been dreadful,no sense of urgency, no plan of attack, dominating in the midfeild because chile knows nothing will come from that , also terrible on defense, other than that spain has been boring
   2623. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4729803)
PULL THE GOALIE!
   2624. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4729805)
Why is spain out with a draw? They could finish with 4 and if NED beats Chile Chile would also have 4....
   2625. Langer Monk Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:46 PM (#4729807)
So is Mata hurt, out of form, or what?
   2626. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:46 PM (#4729808)
Virtually out. Huge GD problem.
   2627. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4729809)
This MLS ref has done a fine job in the two games I've seen. I bet they'll give him a high profile game in the KO stage.
   2628. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4729810)
Why is spain out with a draw?


I think they're not technically out with a draw, but with a -4 goal differential and Chile ahead of them on points, it would be rough to get through.
   2629. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4729811)
So I asked my friend who lives in Vegas to put $100 on Spain to win the World Cup. Fortunately for me he decided not to go to the casino until after the first game. I hastily switched my bet to Argentina at 3-1. Saved by my friend's laziness! $30 at 20-1 for France and $20 at 175-1 for Croatia.
   2630. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4729812)
Why is spain out with a draw? They could finish with 4 and if NED beats Chile Chile would also have 4....


They'd need to make up six goals of goal differential. It wouldn't be insane to see them beat Australia 4-0 and Chile lose 2-0 to the Dutch but that's a BIG ask.

And it's not mattering because they aren't scoring two goals here.
   2631. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4729815)
7 GD differential, I think.
   2632. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4729817)
six minutes? corrup ####### refs
   2633. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4729819)
spains best offensive hope seems to be chile scoring an own goal
   2634. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4729820)
With the amount of timewasting Chile has been working for, I don't think 6 minutes rises to corruption.
   2635. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4729821)
six minutes? corrup ####### refs
Nah, I think Chile has earned the 6 minutes.
   2636. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4729824)
Chile wasting time is not that bright. Push for that 3rd goal!
   2637. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4729825)
spain has been dreadful,no sense of urgency, no plan of attack, dominating in the midfeild because chile knows nothing will come from that , also terrible on defense, other than that spain has been boring

They really really haven't.

Obviously, they haven't played like Spain at their best. But they've been pretty good. Again, except for the inability to finish which is why they're still losing.

See, for example: Ramos right there.
   2638. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4729828)
Chile wasting time makes no sense at all. I really hope they have to face Brazil now.
   2639. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4729830)
Chile wasting time makes no sense at all. I really hope they have to face Brazil now.

They clearly just didn't anticipate being in this position and hadn't talked about it. They obviously thought that preserving the 2-goal advantage was crucial.
   2640. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4729831)
The champ is dead.
   2641. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4729834)
Oh... Chile only beat Australia 3-1 (the announcer said 3-0 I thought). So even 1 more goal would not have been enough.

Edit: Maybe they did think about it and knew they had to win by 4. I doubt it, but you never know.
   2642. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4729838)
well we watched two different second nalves, because for the first 15 minutes spain played with no gas in their tank as if they were up , they passed endlessly around the midfield with no drive to the net, were out hustled in either end of the pitch, as long as they stood around the middle of the pitch, they looked , ok, but what did that accomplish? their best scoring chance came about 20 minutes into the half and they came nowhere close to actually converting, and stood around for the last 10 minutes with zero zip, a team that had clearly dialed in a losing effort without a care, but if you saw a team trying to win, i dont know what to tell you,,,,it was dreadful football from a team that simply did little to win and deserved the 0 they put on the board
   2643. Swedish Chef Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4729840)
Chile wasting time makes no sense at all. I really hope they have to face Brazil now.

Brazil only lead the group by a goal, they could very well end up second.
   2644. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4729850)
well we watched two different second nalves, because for the first 15 minutes spain played with no gas in their tank as if they were up , they passed endlessly around the midfield with no drive to the net, were out hustled in either end of the pitch, as long as they stood around the middle of the pitch, they looked , ok, but what did that accomplish? their best scoring chance came about 20 minutes into the half and they came nowhere close to actually converting, and stood around for the last 10 minutes with zero zip, a team that had clearly dialed in a losing effort without a care, but if you saw a team trying to win, i dont know what to tell you,,,,it was dreadful football from a team that simply did little to win and deserved the 0 they put on the board

Yes, we did watch two different halves. I watched the actual one that was played, where Spain had like six or seven great scoring chances.

MCoA's last tweet says Spain had 2.4 xG, to Chile's 1.0.
Oh... Chile only beat Australia 3-1 (the announcer said 3-0 I thought). So even 1 more goal would not have been enough.

Ha. You seemed so confident that I didn't even bother to do the math myself.
   2645. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4729854)
Ha. You seemed so confident that I didn't even bother to do the math myself.


I apologize. I usually look these things up (previous game results, if I am unsure) before posting, but I guess I was too involved in the game.

Edit: and I basically agree with Baldrick. Spain did not play all that badly.
Edit2: The betting odds have Brazil at 87% to win the group.
   2646. zack Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4729862)
I thought the Chilean *backs had a great game, stepping up to cut off passes and staying with guys making runs.
   2647. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4729863)
Yes, we did watch two different halves. I watched the actual one that was played, where Spain had like six or seven great scoring chances.


I didn't see a lot of the game. How much of that was a function of Spain playing well and how much was Chile dropping back and absorbing pressure? It's like the way teams always have more possession when they are trailing, I would think a team losing 2-0 at halftime of a desperation game would get chances. That doesn't mean they played well.
   2648. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:28 PM (#4729868)
Spain got a lot of chances after going down 2-0. Sure, if they finish they don't lose, but if Chile had been more composed with their chances in the second half they win by more. Spain just weren't good by their standards. A lot of sloppy passing, a lot of being caught in possession, and weirdly lacking confidence when they had numbers going forward. Very strange. They just never seemed in control of the game which is usually their stock and trade.
   2649. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4729869)
So in New World vs Everyone Else games, the New World is 7-2-1
   2650. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:32 PM (#4729875)
This tournament feels wide open now with Spain out and Brazil looking kinda shaky. I guess the Germans are the favorites now?
   2651. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4729882)
Stupid question: Is there actually a 12-man substitutes bench, or are only 7 of the 12 eligible in any given game (like in club games)?


Not stupid, and yes, 12 man bench.
   2652. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:52 PM (#4729906)
(a) they've been playing soccer in the US for dozens of years, and "field", "soccer" et al are already established. What happens is that use of the Britishisms signifies, perhaps subconsciously, that one is a Sophisticated Fan.

Oh, come on. What it signifies is that you consume a lot of British soccer media, because most soccer media in the English language is British, and therefore Britishisms sound natural to you. End of story. The idea that there are legions of "hipsters" out there swathing themselves in scarves and consciously adopting affectations to try to one-up each other is a fantasy. (Of course there are some such people on the earth)

(b) these terms are not global. Well, maybe "football" is global, but that's the word that has perhaps the most entrenched alternative in American english. But otherwise, these aren't "global", they're Britishisms, and they signify that one watches British soccer or reads about soccer on UK websites.

Ah, you agree with me. Never mind.
   2653. Swedish Chef Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:53 PM (#4729908)
   2654. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4729916)
Generally I like to use the American terms, but some of them can be ambiguous. For example, the US "tie" and the British "tie" have different meanings. I feel a little self-conscious using "draw", but what are you going to do?
   2655. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:06 PM (#4729933)
It's almost like the MORE isolated you are from pockets of hardcore soccer fandom, the more likely you are to adopt Britishisms based on the media, because you just don't talk to other Americans about it much.

I found myself recently being hesitant to use the word "goalie", trying to remember if it was just used in hockey, or if it was used in soccer. Of course, we used it the whole time I was playing youth soccer, but I never see it in news stories because it's kind of a slang word, and the British podcasters and bloggers exclusively say "keeper". So "goalie" is actually sounding awkward now.
   2656. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:08 PM (#4729936)
Spain got a lot of chances after going down 2-0. Sure, if they finish they don't lose, but if Chile had been more composed with their chances in the second half they win by more. Spain just weren't good by their standards. A lot of sloppy passing, a lot of being caught in possession, and weirdly lacking confidence when they had numbers going forward. Very strange. They just never seemed in control of the game which is usually their stock and trade.

Sure, I'll agree with 'not very good by their standards.' But their standards are 'best in the world and virtually unbeatable.' I think they were pretty clearly the better team everywhere except inside the 6 yard boxes.

It was at the low-range of what you'd expect from Spain, World Champions. It wasn't a collapse like many people seem to be implying - except for, maybe the 10 minutes or so that closed out the first half.
   2657. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:08 PM (#4729937)
This tournament feels wide open now with Spain out and Brazil looking kinda shaky. I guess the Germans are the favorites now?

Them and Costa Rica, yes.
   2658. ursus arctos Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4729943)
So, third time in four tournaments that the defending champion has not survived the group stages and the first time ever that they have been eliminated after two matches. Before this run started with France in 2002, the only other times it had happened were Italy in 1950 and Brazil in 1966.
   2659. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:17 PM (#4729948)
Croatia is pretty happy to have Mandzukic back, huh?
So, third time in four tournaments that the defending champion has not survived the group stages and the first time ever that they have been eliminated after two matches. Before this run started with France in 2002, the only other times it had happened were Italy in 1950 and Brazil in 1966.

Uruguay also refused to attend in 1934.
   2660. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4729953)
It was nice to see Luka and Benny chatting before the game. I can't believe either can understand the other, though.
   2661. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:27 PM (#4729956)
spain were dreadful in the first half, awful defense terrible goalkeeping , lack luster on offense, second half chile sat back for the most part and were content to let spain kick the ball around ineffectively in the mid field, at no point to spain mount a sustained offense nor did they attack with pace or confidence, by any standard their offense lacked spark and creatitivity, and they were rewarded with a blank sheet for their lack of effort, not sure why you seem to think they peppered the net with 6 to 7 good chances, the best chance i saw was a missed finish, the rest were long strikes or poor stikes
   2662. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4729961)
I always find Croatia fans to be the most intimidating looking fans at these tournaments. They're like the Newcastle fans of world soccer.
   2663. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4729965)
spain were dreadful in the first half, awful defense terrible goalkeeping , lack luster on offense, second half chile sat back for the most part and were content to let spain kick the ball around ineffectively in the mid field, at no point to spain mount a sustained offense nor did they attack with pace or confidence, by any standard their offense lacked spark and creatitivity, and they were rewarded with a blank sheet for their lack of effort, not sure why you seem to think they peppered the net with 6 to 7 good chances, the best chance i saw was a missed finish, the rest were long strikes or poor stikes

Well, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe watch the game again.

Alonso had several very good chances. Busquets missed a sitter. Ramos had an excellent chance. Iniesta had one. And there were plenty of others. these weren't pot shots from distance. They were right in front of goal. Here, take a look.

And, I really have no idea where you're getting the idea that Chile was 'letting Spain kick the ball around.' That's precisely the opposite of what happened. The whole reason why most other folks think Spain was poor is because they seemed to wilt under pressure and were crowded out of their comfortable passing in the midfield. Which, yes, is somewhat true. They definitely did not look comfortable.
   2664. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:40 PM (#4729970)
I always find Croatia fans to be the most intimidating looking fans at these tournaments. They're like the Newcastle fans of world soccer.
Serbians for me. The lingering whiff of genocide probably adds to the intimidation.
   2665. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:40 PM (#4729971)
Oh my. But should have still played the advantage.
   2666. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4729974)
What is Alex Song doing? Pepe, Song, Maxi Pereira...these are experienced players. What the hell?
   2667. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4729977)
Serbians for me. The lingering whiff of genocide probably adds to the intimidation.

Yeah, they're scary, too. Good call.
   2668. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4729979)
Really really dumb. What on earth was he thinking?
   2669. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4729980)
Honduras vs Cameroon. Commentary by Vinnie Jones.
   2670. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4729982)
Just saw the replay again. Dumbest thing ever? Just nuts.
   2671. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4729984)
Good on the ref. ####### thugs. Every single challenge, every single ball up in the air, a Cameroon player would step on a foot, or put a hand in the face.
   2672. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4729985)
Barry Glendenning gets snarky about Cameroon:

That was Cameroon in a nutshell, there. As Mbia and Moukandjo were arguing with each other after a mix-up, Alex Song was sprinting behind Mandzukic, who appeared to slow down and cause a collision. Song continued running after him and sort of - as difficult as it should be to perform such an act - elbow him from behind. The referee was perfectly placed and had no hesitation in showing him the red card. That's really dim-witted from Song. All we needed was a couple of players elsewhere on the pitch arguing about bonus payments and we'd have been able to shout 'House!' in the game of Cameroon bingo.
   2673. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4729987)
Just saw the replay again. Dumbest thing ever? Just nuts.


Zidane or Rafa Marquez. But it's an honorable mention.
   2674. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4729989)
These things like Song's elbow always strike me as too dumb. They don't lose their temper. That I could understand, just going nuts and fighting a guy. But these little displays that do no actual damage to the other guy but seriously handicap your team?

I mean, I don't want to throw accusations around but it makes me think of a certain pre-live ball world series.
   2675. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4729990)
Lee Bowyer would like everyone to know that he's available and in the best shape of his life.
   2676. Dale Sams Posted: June 18, 2014 at 06:59 PM (#4729991)
I mean, I don't want to throw accusations around but it makes me think of a certain pre-live ball world series.


I would think Song would be in a better position to throw a match if he were on the field.
   2677. AuntBea Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4729993)
According to MCoA's twitter page Spain had many more good chances than Chile, and many very good chances overall. Whether or not that was a result of playing 2 down all game or simply Spain being better is a matter for debate, but it's silly to say Spain didn't create much.
   2678. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4730000)
Rough spot for the keeper, but you have to cover the near post.
   2679. madvillain Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4730002)
not a good WC for Africa.
   2680. simon bedford Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4730003)
if you watched the actual spain game this is EXACTLY what chile did, they didnt have to pressure the spanish ball handlers as they kept moving backwards until they finally gifted the ball back and chile would have a reasonable scoring effort, if you watched this game and thought that spain was pushing, i dont know how to help you, they never attacked with pace, never threatened to dra close in this game, and were uminspiring, if you think this was a solid effort not sure you will enjoy much of this world cup,and chile is arguable the 5th rated south american team going into this tourney so not only was spain lacklasture they were so against a less than stellar opponent
   2681. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:13 PM (#4730007)
This is why we shouldn't go too Europhile with our soccer.

It's a small step from Real Salt Lake to this!
   2682. Langer Monk Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:17 PM (#4730008)
Can you even take big steps when wearing that?
   2683. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:19 PM (#4730011)
Can you even take big steps when wearing that?

Only in places with lax indecency laws.

When I say Spain were poor today, I didn't mean they were Cameroon poor.
   2684. Langer Monk Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:24 PM (#4730013)
Only in places with lax indecency laws.


You mean Europe, don't you? It's all coming together.
   2685. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:25 PM (#4730014)
not a good WC for Africa.


CAF's messed up qualification process on full display.
   2686. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:27 PM (#4730016)
CAF's messed up qualification process on full display.

Maybe, but what better teams from CAF didn't get to go?
   2687. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:28 PM (#4730017)
I always find Croatia fans to be the most intimidating looking fans at these tournaments. They're like the Newcastle fans of world soccer.

Serbians for me. The lingering whiff of genocide probably adds to the intimidation.


Due to their craziness, I've decided to pass on getting one of those nice looking checked Croatian jerseys.
I'm worried about running into a group of crazed Serbians.
   2688. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:29 PM (#4730018)
Maybe, but what better teams from CAF didn't get to go?


Egypt.
   2689. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:31 PM (#4730019)
Egypt.

Maybe. I don't think you can say they're definitively better than the CAF teams in this Cup. They haven't done crap in quite a while.

Cameroon still ahead of Spain on GD!
   2690. Howling John Shade Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:32 PM (#4730020)

You mean Europe, don't you? It's all coming together.
Eh. Just looks like Castro and Market on a Wednesday, except these guys are a lot thinner.
   2691. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4730022)
Maybe. I don't think you can say they're definitively better than the CAF teams in this Cup. They haven't done crap in quite a while.


6-0-0 in the 2nd stage round robin, seeded lower than 3-3-0 Nigeria in the final round knockout because CAF sorted the teams by FIFA rankings.
   2692. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4730024)
So at the height of Barca/Spain's success, there was a lot of talk about how it didn't matter how short, slow or "unathletic" players were, as long as they had the technical ability and could fit into the system. They were always vulnerable on set pieces, winning balls in the air and balls behind the defense. Other teams just never had enough talent and skill to exploit those weaknesses because of the possession and the pressing. Now the Dutch, Chile and Brazil have handed some heavy losses to them with essentially power and pace. Spain still have one of the most talented squads, so maybe they just have to play less of those short technical midfielders and put in some athletes.

Does anyone know what Del Bosque's status is? I think a reimagining would be easier with a new coach.
   2693. Baldrick Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4730025)
There's virtually no circumstance where all these extra goals are even going to help Croatia, right? It's impossible for Mexico to end up with the same number of points as them. And Brazil can only end up with the same if Croatia draws and Brazil LOSE. Which, as we discussed last night, is either very unlikely or extremely unlikely.
   2694. madvillain Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:35 PM (#4730026)
seeded lower than 3-3-0 Nigeria in the final round knockout because CAF sorted the teams by FIFA rankings.


wow, what great incentive.
   2695. Swedish Chef Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:36 PM (#4730028)
Cameroon still ahead of Spain on GD!

Not even Brazil are going to #### up their game against Cameroon now.
   2696. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:38 PM (#4730029)
6-0-0 in the 2nd stage round robin, seeded lower than 3-3-0 Nigeria in the final round knockout because CAF sorted the teams by FIFA rankings.

They were in a pretty easy group, though, and then they got thunked by Nigeria. Yeah, it would have been nice to see them against this Cameroon team or against Algeria, but I think, at best, it's a marginal upgrade. I will admit they would have put up more of a fight than this shell of a Cameroon team. They just haven't seemed like they've wanted to be in Brazil since minute one against Mexico.
   2697. DA Baracus Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4730032)
They were in a pretty easy group, though, and then they got thunked by Nigeria.


They played Ghana, not Nigeria. Nigeria's group was weaker.

Tunisia went 4-2-0 against a weak group and was also seeded higher.
   2698. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:42 PM (#4730033)
Would Mexico be favored over Croatia? Its win or go home because no way Cameroon beats Brazil - but then again, didn't think Spain would be on 0 points either.
   2699. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:44 PM (#4730036)
They played Ghana, not Nigeria. Nigeria's group wasn't anything special either.

I knew I should have looked that up. I still don't think Egypt is anything special, either. They suffered a lot of weird infighting and insurrection against Bradley, too. African soccer is just disappointing right now. It's a shame as it'd be nice to have an alternative to CONMEBOL and UEFA hegemony. Asia have looked pretty crap, too, outside of Australia's fight. CONCACAF to the rescue?
   2700. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 18, 2014 at 07:45 PM (#4730037)
Obviously, up a man helps, but yikes, Croatia might have scored 8 in this game ...
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