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OT: The Soccer Thread June, 2014

It’s go time!

June 12th Brazil v Croatia

June 13th Mexico v Cameroon, Spain v Holland, Chile v Australia

June 14th Colombia v Greece, Ivory Coast v Japan, Uruguay v Costa Rica, England v Italy

June 15th Switzerland v Ecuador, France v Honduras, Argentina v Bosnia-Herzegovina

June 16th Iran v Nigeria, Germany v Portugal, Ghana v USA

June 17th Brazil v Mexico, Belgium v Algeria, Russia v South Korea

June 18th Cameroon v Croatia, Australia v Holland, Spain v Chile

June 19th Colombia v Ivory Coast, Japan v Greece, Uruguay v England

June 20th Italy v Costa Rica, Switzerland v France, Honduras v Ecuador

June 21st Argentina v Iran, Nigeria vs Bosnia-Herzegovina, Germany v Ghana

June 22nd USA v Portugal, Belgium v Russia, South Korea v Algeria

June 23rd Cameroon v Brazil, Croatia v Mexico, Australia v Spain, Holland v Chile

June 24th Greece v Ivory Coast, Japan v Colombia, Costa Rica v England, Italy v Uruguay

June 25th Ecuador v France, Honduras v Switzerland, Bosnia-Herzegovina v Iran, Nigeria v Argentina

June 26th Portugal v Ghana, USA v Germany, Algeria v Russia, South Korea v Belgium

June 28th Group A winner v Group B runner up, Group C winner v Group D runner up

June 29th Group B winner v Group A runner up, Group D winner v Group C runner up

June 30th Group E winner v Group F runner up, Group G winner v Group H runner up

 

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   3201. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4731830)
Somehow this thread has acquired a reverse tina, with Spain as the anti-Farrell ...
   3202. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4731831)
As someone who's watched a lot of football, have you never seen any team (or perhaps, even your favorite team) have a bad two games? If Spain manages to beat Australia something like 4-0, does that change your mind?

France had to overcome a 2-0 deficit to Ukraine to qualify for this World Cup and have looked the "best" team by far.
   3203. Swedish Chef Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4731832)
Betting odds have Spain as 70% to win the game against Australia outright (and give Australia an 11% chance to win outright).

No ####### way I would bet on Spain for those odds.
   3204. ursus arctos Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:35 PM (#4731833)
CoB, highly curious, isn't it?
   3205. madvillain Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4731834)
So, can the Swiss rage quit? 'Cause that's what I would do at this point.
   3206. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4731835)
Now Switzerland has a huge GD problem, and France will likely rest all their best players against Ecuador. If Ecuador wins tonight, they have a decent chance of advancing in the group after all.
   3207. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4731836)
If Ecuador wins tonight, they have a decent chance of advancing in the group after all.

Yeah. I assumed the Switzerland win over Ecuador would go a long way towards determining second in the group. It still may, but suddenly things still look OK for Ecuador.
   3208. Swedish Chef Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4731840)
They deserved a consolation goal.
   3209. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4731842)
That's pretty funny. I don't think I've ever seen that before. A long free kick stays on the ground, goes through the wall somehow and in.
   3210. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4731843)
That was unexpected. Lloris not looking so hot there, though he was screened and the wall was a joke. Even a draw by Ecuador tonight might not put them out of it (if they can beat France in the final group game).
   3211. Swedish Chef Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4731844)
and France will likely rest all their best players against Ecuador

And play players who want to win a place in the team. And they're still like twice as good as Ecuador.
   3212. Baldrick Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4731845)
This game hasn't really been all that good, but it's been a lot of fun.

What an absurd way for the Swiss to finally score. That's the first goal from a free kick so far, right?
   3213. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4731847)
Benzema probably needs to be off of wall duty. I remember Cristiano Ronaldo had a free kick goal for United where he hit it on the ground while the entire wall jumped. It wasn't even nearly that far out.
   3214. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4731848)
THE COMEBACK IS ON!
   3215. Swedish Chef Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4731849)
Switzerland fixing up the goal difference.
   3216. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:46 PM (#4731850)
Benzema probably needs to be off of wall duty.

Yeah I always wondered about this. Some players seem really fearless and able to determine where the ball is going. Others look either afraid of the ball or have no idea what is going on. I often had to be in the wall as a tall defender (though sometimes I was preferred elsewhere), and I hated it. The worst part is the there is not a lot of motivation to be "good" at it because then you will always be stuck back in the wall.
   3217. simon bedford Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4731851)
well this has been a low scoring affair...and if you want to take that bet on spain go right ahead, i think it would be a rather nervous bet for anyone to make at this point, spain are basically playing for "pride" at this point, and having shown none against chile i would expect to see very little effort in the final game.
love how i am being called a troll here, suddenly spain is in the group of death and both their losses are easily explained and it was nothing more than 2 bad games and not a poorly coached team that couldnt keep pace with younger or more aggressive teams. spain simply isnt the elite team it was 4 years ago, get over yourselves lol
   3218. Baldrick Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4731852)
What an absurd game. If they could have just converted a couple of their opportunities earlier...or not conceded so many dumb goals, they could still be in this.

France has looked very very good in lots of aspects, but you'd have to say the 5-0 was tremendously flattering. Glad that the Swiss have a little something to show for themselves.
   3219. Textbook Editor Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4731853)
textbook i am wondering what part of spains two games suggested to you that they could beat any quality squad at the moment? they dont look like they could handle germany france, brazil argintina, uruquay columbia costa rica, italy (and they dont ook great either) plus chile and holland they already proved they couldnt compete against,,,thats ten, do you need more? right now do you think its a foregone conclusion they will win against australia?


Well, the Australia game's a dead rubber, so I wouldn't read much--if anything--into the result of that game. But if there was something at stake my money would not be on Australia, no.

As for the others... Well, like most things it depends. Are Spain changing up the starting XI at all from the Chile game? Is de Gea fit to play? Some of these things matter.

Uruguay may go through, but they don't look like world-beaters to me, and in a 1-game situation I'll take Spain. Same thing with Costa Rica.

Look, I'm not arguing they're anywhere close to #1 in the world, or defending FIFA's rankings, or saying they're a top-5 side (I don't think they are right now and didn't before the tournament.) I suppose I'm just hesitant to say there's easily 10-15 teams that would beat them in a 1-game knockout situation.

I'm not sure there's a true #1 team right now anyway. To me, I see a bunch of teams that could win this (provided the knockout draw breaks a team's way). Costa Rica--to me--has a path to a quarterfinal, and I think once you get there lots of things could break your way. That a true underdog team has never really pulled off a WC upset doesn't mean it won't happen this year, but the odds would always be very much against it.

   3220. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4731856)
And now a goal off-screen that doesn't count because the whistle has gone. This World Cup has everything!
   3221. simon bedford Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4731858)
no goal,,,well that was a fitting end to that i suppose
   3222. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4731860)
The cameras had already given up on the game.
   3223. Baldrick Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4731861)
well this has been a low scoring affair...and if you want to take that bet on spain go right ahead, i think it would be a rather nervous bet for anyone to make at this point, spain are basically playing for "pride" at this point, and having shown none against chile i would expect to see very little effort in the final game.
love how i am being called a troll here, suddenly spain is in the group of death and both their losses are easily explained and it was nothing more than 2 bad games and not a poorly coached team that couldnt keep pace with younger or more aggressive teams. spain simply isnt the elite team it was 4 years ago, get over yourselves lol

Spain won Euro 2012. Including absolutely demolishing Italy in the final. Which is also approximately how long ago their team bus ran over your dog, I'm guessing.
   3224. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4731862)
From an offhand mention in the Guardian minute by minute, I was just reading about the 1954 World Cup. What a bizarre ####### format that one had.
   3225. simon bedford Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4731863)
well can honduras vs ecaudor live up to that last game? my guess, not so much
   3226. simon bedford Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4731867)
2 years can be a lifetime in international soccer as you are well aware and as this team spain has demonstrated...could they beat some teams in a 1 game showdown? maybe so far they sure havent but in some hypothetical world where they aernt getting destroyed by their opponents i supposed they COULD win, and monkees could fly out of your keyboard, either way they are going home, i dont hate spain, nothing personal against them, they arent very good, and you can argue all you want that they are , they sure didnt show it on the pitch which is the only place it matters.
   3227. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4731870)
Spain isn't the same team it was four years or even two years ago. They're still very talented. Guys populating the rosters of Bayern, Atletico, Real, Barcelona, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United. All very rich and/or successful teams where players are bought, dropped and sold at a drop of a hat. Talent guarantees nothing but it gets you a couple steps ahead.
   3228. DA Baracus Posted: June 20, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4731871)
So then what teams are better than Spain?
   3229. Textbook Editor Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4731874)
Really, Boring James Milner almost never disappoints. I'm assuming it's the work of several people but it's pretty great. The latest:

Wayne said There's no point playing Costa Rica if we are already out. I said We are playing for pride, Wayne. He said I guess so, James.
   3230. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4731876)
Great, now I have "Daydream Believer" in my head.
   3231. ursus arctos Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:09 PM (#4731881)
The FA have confirmed that Hodgson will remain in place through Euro 2016
   3232. Randy Jones Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4731886)
The FA have confirmed that Hodgson will remain in place through Euro 2016

Does that qualify as a "vote of confidence"? Should we expect Hodgson to be fired within a week of the WC ending?
   3233. ursus arctos Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:19 PM (#4731896)
No, I think that they are serious about it. There is a serious dearth of alternatives.
   3234. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4731898)
If Simon wants to argue that Spain are 15th best in the world that's fine but even acknowledging that they had a horrible tournament (which is two games so far) I'd want to see a list of the 14 teams that are better than them.

One thing that probably should start to be looked at is the old chestnut about UEFA teams not performing well outside of Europe. Excluding games against fellow UEFA teams they are 4-6-1 with the four wins against; Algeria, Honduras, Australia and Cameroon.
   3235. Randy Jones Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4731901)
UEFA teams not performing well outside of Europe

Is it performing poorly outside of Europe or performing particularly poorly in South America?
   3236. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4731904)

Is it performing poorly outside of Europe or performing particularly poorly in South America?


I've heard it both ways. A fair amount was made prior to 2010 about them never winning a WC outside of Europe but of course the majority of those were in South America and back during a time when international travel was not as comfortable an experience.
   3237. ursus arctos Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4731909)
Yeah, it's both, but much of the sample is "Latin America" (as it helps to include Mexico).

European teams have also won only one Confederations Cup held outside of Europe (France 2001 in South Korea/Japan)
   3238. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:48 PM (#4731915)
4-6-1 with the four wins against; Algeria, Honduras, Australia and Cameroon.

What about Switzerland beating Ecuador?
Anyway, so far Europe against non-Europe

Losses:
Croatia to Brazil (expected)
Spain to Chile (unexpected)
Italy to Costa Rica (very unexpected)
Greece to Colombia (expected)
England to Uruguay (50/50, though I think England outplayed them)
Bosnia to Argentina (expected)

Draws:
Greece and Japan (not unexpected, especially with a red card)
Russia and Korea (unexpected)

Wins:
Croatia over Cameroon (expected)
Netherlands over Australia (expected)
Switzerland over Ecuador (slightly expected)
France over Honduras (expected)
Belgium over Algeria (expected)

The end result is a slight underperformance, but not a huge one. 3 bad games and no great ones
Bad games: Spain/Chile, Italy/CR, Russia/Korea.

What looks worse for Europe is that most of its best teams are in groups with another European team, meaning there are only 2 games for the best teams, and 3 games for many of the worst Euro teams. Combine that with the fact that many of the best european teams still have yet to play non-euro opponents, and the record looks poor.

Euro teams playing only 2 non-Euro teams: Germany, France, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, England, Portugal, Russia, Switzerland
Euro teams playing 3 non-Euro teams: Greece, Croatia, Bosnia

Though Greece, Croatia, and Bosnia are not necessarily the worst 3 Euro teams in the tournament, they are certainly in the bottom half.
   3239. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 05:52 PM (#4731916)
If Simon wants to argue that Spain are 15th best in the world that's fine but even acknowledging that they had a horrible tournament (which is two games so far) I'd want to see a list of the 14 teams that are better than them.

We already got a partial list, which included Costa Rica.
   3240. Howling John Shade Posted: June 20, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4731931)
CONCACAF!

We can officially add Honduras to the list of teams better than Spain right?
   3241. SteveF Posted: June 20, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4731932)
Concacaffed!
   3242. madvillain Posted: June 20, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4731933)
I for one welcome our new CONCACAF OVERLORDS!
   3243. Baldrick Posted: June 20, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4731934)
Seems like there's been a lot of route 1 goals this tournament. Or is it just the last two days looming large in my mind?
   3244. Howling John Shade Posted: June 20, 2014 at 06:34 PM (#4731935)
umm, nevermind.
   3245. Howling John Shade Posted: June 20, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4731936)
I for one welcome our new CONCACAF OVERLORDS!
It was a brief and glorious reign.
   3246. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4731938)
Very underwhelming display by Ecuador. I thought Honduras had the better of the first half, by a little.
   3247. simon bedford Posted: June 20, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4731942)
but how would they do against spain????
   3248. AuntBea Posted: June 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM (#4731973)
After watching the games today, it's pretty clear Argentina is going to the QFs.
   3249. Dale Sams Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:21 PM (#4731986)
Anyone ever done study on the average lifespan of various athletes? I would guess in order it would be:

1. Soccer
2. Basketball
3. Hockey
4. Football
5. Baseball
   3250. Baldrick Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:32 PM (#4731988)
After watching the games today, it's pretty clear Argentina is going to the QFs.

Hard to argue with that. I think they'll also probably like their chances beyond there. Assuming Brazil, Germany, and France all hold serve, they'll all be on the other side of the bracket.
   3251. zack Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:34 PM (#4731990)
Anyone ever done study on the average lifespan of various athletes? I would guess in order it would be:

Do you mean athletic lifespan or actual lifespan?
   3252. madvillain Posted: June 20, 2014 at 08:43 PM (#4731994)
FB players have by far the shortest careers on average. I believe the average NFL player plays something like 2.5 years.
   3253. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 20, 2014 at 09:27 PM (#4732018)
FB players have by far the shortest careers on average. I believe the average NFL player plays something like 2.5 years.

Yep, American Football would be quite a bit adrift at the bottom of that list. I have no idea how anybody would rank them 2nd best.

If you are doing that discussion though, it is worth remembering that players of the football that involves actually using your feet, typically start playing professionally at much younger ages, than in US sports.
   3254. Dale Sams Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4732041)
I meant actual lifespans not athletic.
   3255. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4732048)
Anyone ever done study on the average lifespan of various athletes?


Well, up to the 1970s, I'd say auto racers would have the lowest...
   3256. Big Ears Teddy shouldn't see TFTIO Posted: June 20, 2014 at 10:45 PM (#4732055)
Well, up to the 1970s, I'd say auto racers would have the lowest...

Oh, but such glorious years. At least, as Ron Howard tells it.
   3257. Textbook Editor Posted: June 20, 2014 at 11:28 PM (#4732076)
One of the pleasures of this WC for me has been that every night around this time, after a long day of games, a Football Weekly podcast arrives in my iTunes in box to listen to. Granted, some of them have been a bit silly (understandable seeing as they're being recorded daily at about 1am local time, I figure), but it's nice to get some decent analysis piped in at the end of the day.

A Germany win tomorrow coupled with a USA win Sunday means USA would have advanced after 2 matches, right? I think you could have gotten decent odds for a 3-team parley of: (1) USA will advance after 2 matches; (2) Spain will be eliminated after 2 matches; (3) England will be eliminated after 2 matches. A $5 bet on that probably would have netted you $1,000 at least.
   3258. Baldrick Posted: June 20, 2014 at 11:33 PM (#4732077)
One of the pleasures of this WC for me has been that every night around this time, after a long day of games, a Football Weekly podcast arrives in my iTunes in box to listen to. Granted, some of them have been a bit silly (understandable seeing as they're being recorded daily at about 1am local time, I figure), but it's nice to get some decent analysis piped in at the end of the day.

Agreed. Though, I nearly tripped and fell on my run when they talked up the quality of the US passing and particularly noted that Michael Bradley had done well. There have been a few other ‘um, what?’ moments like that. But on the whole it’s been a fun way to close out the day.
   3259. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 20, 2014 at 11:39 PM (#4732081)
1. Soccer
2. Basketball
3. Hockey
4. Football
5. Baseball


Football would be worst by far.
I also think that basketball would be behind baseball (and maybe hockey) because VERY tall people tend to have health issues later in life as their body can't handle the strain as it gets older.
   3260. Big Ears Teddy shouldn't see TFTIO Posted: June 20, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4732082)
Barry Glendenning is a transnational treasure.
   3261. Textbook Editor Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:14 AM (#4732095)

Barry Glendenning is a transnational treasure.


Concur. I also very much like the RTE guy Eamon Dunphy, though admittedly my exposure to him has largely been through watching his analysis of RoI qualifiers, where he can be hilariously blunt in his assessments.

Agreed. Though, I nearly tripped and fell on my run when they talked up the quality of the US passing and particularly noted that Michael Bradley had done well. There have been a few other ‘um, what?’ moments like that. But on the whole it’s been a fun way to close out the day.


When I heard that, I just assumed they only half-watched the game before taping (it would have been the 11pm kickoff game in the UK) and bullshitted about his performance based on reputation and not the actual game. Or they were half-drunk and forgot what happened...
   3262. Dale Sams Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4732100)
Football would be worst by far.
I also think that basketball would be behind baseball (and maybe hockey) because VERY tall people tend to have health issues later in life as their body can't handle the strain as it gets older.


I thought of that, but they also run a lot. Baseball players not so much and Hockey players of course are playing a fairly violent sport. So...I dunno..
   3263. zack Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:50 AM (#4732105)
It depends if you're talking about the health of players as a consequence of playing the game or that combined with the bodytypes of people that are drawn to the game.

Either way, though, football is definitely dead last. I'd put hockey second worst of the five just because there was a spate of most likely CTE-related suicides a few summers ago that will really pull down the average (they were more-or-less active players), but hopefully those will be decreasing in the future. I haven't seen any results about CTE and heading the ball in soccer, though I think there have been studies on that end.
   3264. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:51 AM (#4732106)
What's interesting is that one betting site is supposedly offering Ecuador at 1000 to 1 odds to win the group. Of course it's unlikely, but if Ecuador beats France by 4, they will almost certainly win the group. I wouldn't give those odds.

Edit: For example, SPI projections have Ecuador at 1 in 200 to win the group.
   3265. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:12 AM (#4732109)
Betting odds have Spain as 70% to win the game against Australia outright (and give Australia an 11% chance to win outright).

No ####### way I would bet on Spain for those odds.


When I read this I basically agreed. Seems like a risky bet, who knows if Spain will even be trying to win? The interesting thing though is that apparently bettors are taking both sides of this bet, with only slightly more (not sure if that's by $$$ laid, payoff, or just total # of bets) on Australia to win. On the other hand, it's no surprise that the majority of bettors are taking Italy/Uruguay to draw in their game, though by current betting odds it is the least likely outcome in the game (only by a small margin: it is given about a 30% chance).
   3266. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 21, 2014 at 05:44 AM (#4732120)
When I read this I basically agreed. Seems like a risky bet, who knows if Spain will even be trying to win?

Yeah, I would third or fourth that. The game basically means a lot more to Australia than it does Spain, because the teams have very divergent expectations.

The more interesting question, is how would you bet if this was a knockout game, with actual stakes on the line, and not just pride. I would take Spain at those odds in a heartbeat, even after games 1 + 2.
   3267. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4732147)
The England/CR odds might be even more interesting. England is at 53% to win. CR only needs a draw to top the group, but if they lose they could realistically end up in second. (2-0 England and 2-0 Italy or 2-0 Uruguay would do it, for example, or 1-0 England and 3-1 Italy).

Edit: *yawn*
   3268. simon bedford Posted: June 21, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4732148)
how is that an interesting question? i am sure if you asked aunt bleep here how they would bet the last two spanish games knowing the outcome they would still have bet on spain , so what do you hope to learn here? that someone who bases their betting practices on past performances and success is slow to figure out that this isnt the team that won 4 years ago? that has already been suitably demonstrated by a number of the "experts" here
as to the game against the socceroos, our resident expert touches on only one of the issues that happens in the "playing for pride game" ,which is will spain try? if they hate thier coach , they wont, but here are other factors that make the outcome of this game in question

1) anyone who is remotely under the weather or slightly bruised will sit out
2) anyone in the coaches dog house or the coach felt "pressured to play" will sit out
3) anyone regardless of how low on the teams depth chart who is attending their final world cup
will start.

this often creates a side that lacks playing time or experience together, but in cases like this thats not a bad thing at all, for 2 games the tried and tested has looked tired and hopeless so some fresh blood may actually play with more purpose, the coach may feel that this is the side who he wanted to field all the time.
   3269. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 21, 2014 at 10:17 AM (#4732152)
how is that an interesting question?

Well it's about infinitely more interesting than your original question, which was "do you think a victory against the socceroos is in the cards?" A game that means precisely \"#### all" to Spain is a piss poor way of trying to evaluate how good they actually are.
   3270. simon bedford Posted: June 21, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4732157)
i think the last game tells us nothing, what i wanted to know was if this person thought spain winning at all was in the cards. i dont believe it is but i was only soliciting another persons opinion to get an idea of how they approached the world cup, sorry if that was boring to you, it was clealry not directed at you in the first place.
in other news the spanish media , with one exception, is hanging this team out to dry and the adjectives they are using make my criticisms seem very tame.
   3271. BDC Posted: June 21, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4732158)
I sure hope somebody's linked to this series of recaps from the Guardian, but it won't hurt to do so again.

I also like the Guardian's liveblog. More snark per post than BBTF :)

   3272. KronicFatigue Posted: June 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4732169)
Anyone have a good source for highlights? I'm looking for about 5-10 minutes per match, not just the goals. WatchESPN's highlights package is a disaster. They have the whole game (3+ hours including guys getting off the bus)and kind of "bookmark" parts of the video which should in theory allow the video to jump from place to place. However, and maybe it's just me, but it keeps rewinding to previous bookmarks as though it was singing the 12 days of christmas. In order to see the higlight of the 38th minute, I'm forced to rewatch highlights from minute 6, 12, 15, etc. It's driving me loopy.

I go to youtube and all I get are video game simulations. ESPN.com only has goals.
   3273. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM (#4732179)
So, time to see how Argentina copes with 8 defenders. I believe it will be a hard-fought 1-0 victory.
   3274. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4732190)
If Spain had got knocked around for several weeks, I think they might mail this one in, but right now I'm expecting to see murderous intent against a small defenseless joey, pretty much no matter who Spain puts out there.

I think the Western Hemisphere as a whole is up, 10-2, on the East?
   3275. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4732191)
I was wrong, Iran is playing with 9 defenders.
   3276. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4732192)
Possession at this point is probably about 93/7.
   3277. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4732193)
Di Maria showed up to play today. Awesome moves on the ball.

They just said 19% possession for Iran. No way that's right.
   3278. KronicFatigue Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4732195)
That was a beautiful sequence by Di Maria. I think my favorite soccer move is when a player does a few moves, gets bottled up, and some how physically comes away with the ball. It feels very primitive in a good way.

How do they measure possession? Do they block off time where neither team has possession, or does 100% of the time go to the teams?
   3279. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4732197)
How do they measure possession? Do they block off time where neither team has possession, or does 100% of the time go to the teams?

There are two ways, chess clock or infer it from the pass count. OPTA does it by counting passes these days.
   3280. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM (#4732200)
This game reminds me a lot of the Trinidad & Tobago vs. Sweden game early in in the 2006 World Cup. The whole Iran team is playing in their own final third. Seems impossible they can hold out, but it's certainly possible. All they need is a succession of individual minutes in which they don't concede.
   3281. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4732201)
In the chess clock method, is the clock off for both teams when the ball is out of play (for example before goal kicks or corner kicks)?
   3282. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4732203)
Iran have actually looked fairly dangerous on set pieces. Which makes Zabaleta's multiple fouls inexcusable.
   3283. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4732207)
Iran played a near perfect first half. They gave up no great chances, kept their shape, and had a few dangerous set pieces. Quite an interesting half of soccer, to be honest. I still think Argentina wins, probably 2-0.
   3284. Swedish Chef Posted: June 21, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4732210)
In the chess clock method, is the clock off for both teams when the ball is out of play (for example before goal kicks or corner kicks)?

That time has never been considered part of the effective playing time which they kept track of way before possession started to be measured.
   3285. greenback calls it soccer Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4732212)
The first half looked like the middle 80 minutes of US-Ghana.
   3286. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4732213)
Agreed, Iran played very well in the first half. That said, if they play that same half 10 times, Argentina probably gets a goal in about half of them. No excellent chances, but enough decent ones that you'd think there's a decent chance of converting one.

If they can play just as well in the second half, a draw is certainly possible. And it's not completely ludicrous to think they could nick a goal on a set piece, if Argentina is going to insist on committing dumb fouls in their half.
   3287. OPS+ Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4732215)
#3273
Anyone have a good source for highlights? I'm looking for about 5-10 minutes per match, not just the goals. WatchESPN's highlights package is a disaster.


http://www.soccerhighlightstoday.com/

Does a really great job and updates quickly.
   3288. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4732216)
Aguero!? How did he not even touch that ball? Perfect cross.
   3289. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4732217)
Wow, great opportunity for Iran there.

Edit: And a second with the uncalled potential penalty.
   3290. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4732219)
I think the penalty wasn't given there because it was just so ludicrous to think that he would have needed to foul there and Zabaleta couldn't possibly be so incompetent as to make such a mess of it.
   3291. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4732221)
If you count the non-penalty, it's possible the three best chances of this half have now gone to Iran.
   3292. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4732222)
If you count the non-penalty, it's possible the three best chances of this half have now gone to Iran.

Well, Messi's run.
   3293. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4732223)
All credit to the Iranians, they're really going after Argentina at the moment.

Edit: Jesus, so close.
   3294. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4732224)
Make that the four best chances. What a run by the forward and way to go after the ball.
   3295. KronicFatigue Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4732225)
Thanks OPS+. EXACTLY what I was looking for (but couldn't find)
   3296. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4732226)
Make that four fantastic chances for Iran! Wow.

Though strangely, Iran growing in confidence might be the best possible thing for Argentina as long as they can get their heads together defensively. Now that there's some space for them to run into, their chances of scoring are much much higher.
   3297. AuntBea Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4732228)
That was the first time this tournament that I saw a ref mark out a short ten yards. Looked to be about 8 and a half.
   3298. Baldrick Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4732229)
These ESPN commentators seem to A) think that Argentina is currently losing and B) think that it's a must-win game for them. The apocalyptic discussion of this is really absurd

And now Ekoku says "I hope he's really badly hurt." I know what he meant to say of course, but...maybe don't wish injuries on the players.
   3299. greenback calls it soccer Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4732233)
Argentina has a guy named Rigo Palacio? Did he sing the national anthem?
   3300. Dale Sams Posted: June 21, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4732234)
Argentina has a guy named Rigo Palacio? Did he sing the national anthem?


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