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OT: The Soccer Thread June, 2014

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June 12th Brazil v Croatia

June 13th Mexico v Cameroon, Spain v Holland, Chile v Australia

June 14th Colombia v Greece, Ivory Coast v Japan, Uruguay v Costa Rica, England v Italy

June 15th Switzerland v Ecuador, France v Honduras, Argentina v Bosnia-Herzegovina

June 16th Iran v Nigeria, Germany v Portugal, Ghana v USA

June 17th Brazil v Mexico, Belgium v Algeria, Russia v South Korea

June 18th Cameroon v Croatia, Australia v Holland, Spain v Chile

June 19th Colombia v Ivory Coast, Japan v Greece, Uruguay v England

June 20th Italy v Costa Rica, Switzerland v France, Honduras v Ecuador

June 21st Argentina v Iran, Nigeria vs Bosnia-Herzegovina, Germany v Ghana

June 22nd USA v Portugal, Belgium v Russia, South Korea v Algeria

June 23rd Cameroon v Brazil, Croatia v Mexico, Australia v Spain, Holland v Chile

June 24th Greece v Ivory Coast, Japan v Colombia, Costa Rica v England, Italy v Uruguay

June 25th Ecuador v France, Honduras v Switzerland, Bosnia-Herzegovina v Iran, Nigeria v Argentina

June 26th Portugal v Ghana, USA v Germany, Algeria v Russia, South Korea v Belgium

June 28th Group A winner v Group B runner up, Group C winner v Group D runner up

June 29th Group B winner v Group A runner up, Group D winner v Group C runner up

June 30th Group E winner v Group F runner up, Group G winner v Group H runner up

 

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   801. Baldrick Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:11 PM (#4725194)
Hmmm, that was a better save from Casillas than I initially thought.
   802. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4725196)
Long balls on Costa isn't very tiki-taka.
   803. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4725198)
Current odds have Croatia as 55% to win the game against Cameroon.
   804. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:16 PM (#4725201)
Nigel De Jong is such a ####.
   805. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4725203)
####### ####. yes nigel is... but my comment was about the simulation on the next play.
   806. Baldrick Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:20 PM (#4725205)
Not impressed with the Costa version of Spain so far.
   807. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:20 PM (#4725206)
Ten men because van Persie can't untie his boot.
   808. Baldrick Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:24 PM (#4725210)
Ramos just...misses a free header on the corner. Really seems like he should have got a head on that one.
   809. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4725211)
Um, that looked like absolutely no contact to me.
   810. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4725212)
That's a penalty.
   811. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4725213)
Don't think that deserved a yellow.
   812. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4725215)
no contact at all, right?
   813. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4725216)
I must be watching on a poor TV, because I don't see how that's a penalty at all.
   814. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4725217)
He takes down Costa's leg, late in the glide.
   815. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4725218)
It seemed like pretty good analysis, but I always wonder if I am simply less familiar with soccer cliches.


Don't worry Fox will have that covered next time. For now enjoy Roberto Martinez.
   816. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4725219)
Looks like Costa steps on his trailing leg late in the tackle.
   817. zack Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4725220)
Costa steps on top of de Vrij's trailing leg as it slides by and loses his balance.
   818. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4725221)
I see what happened now and I can understand a penalty, though it seems a bit harsh to me. Costa actually stepped on the defender's leg coming down.
   819. tshipman Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4725222)
OH GOD IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY TO FAVOR SPAIN.
   820. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4725227)
Really, de Jong? You decide to take a shot from there?
   821. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4725230)
GOOOOOOOL very cool
   822. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4725231)
I like watching Iniesta and Silva play together.
   823. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4725233)
That was a pretty nice goal and I think maybe Van Persie hurt himself celebrating or maybe just hurt himself existing.
   824. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4725234)
That was brilliant
   825. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4725235)
What a wonderful header from Van Persie.

More slack defending from Spain, though. They'd gotten away with it a few times.
   826. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:45 PM (#4725236)
Awesome. That's gotta be a gutter for Spain after the run of play in the first half.
   827. tshipman Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4725238)
Amazing goal on the header.

Edit: I know van Persie is a world class athlete, but he looks like the guys in the local rec league (at least on TV).
   828. Baldrick Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4725242)
Edit: I know van Persie is a world class athlete, but he looks like the guys in the local rec league (at least on TV).

Really? I think he looks like a world class athlete.
   829. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:51 PM (#4725243)
Iniesta is the guy I think looks like a rec leaguer.
   830. tshipman Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4725245)
Ugh, I meant Robben. Ugh ugh.
   831. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4725246)
And Ruud van Nistelrooy looks like a guy in the local laundromat. What's with the stubble? Did he just wake up?
   832. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4725247)
Which reminds me... wasn't it Robben that needed to tie his shoe? I really like Robben, but that does seem like something he would do.
   833. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4725253)
Yeah Robben looks like a rec leaguer. Iniesta too. Ryan Giggs is the player/manager of the Rec League XI.
   834. steagles Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4725255)
is there any particular reason why offsides is called so aggressively?
   835. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:05 PM (#4725258)
is there any particular reason why offsides is called so aggressively?


More and more teams are playing a high defensive line, which means a lot of chances of players being caught offsides.
   836. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4725264)
Damn, old man Robben
   837. JJ1986 Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4725266)
That was pretty.
   838. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4725269)
Wow. This is not turning out as I expected.
   839. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4725270)
#### YES DUTCH!
   840. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4725271)
That was pretty.
   841. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4725273)
Cool and composed from Robben. Spain look very vulnerable to those balls over the top.
   842. Baldrick Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4725275)
Really incredible control from Robben. Lovely stuff. Much as i dislike the guy, he sure can play.
   843. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4725277)
Yeah, that was an excellent first and second touch to create that goal.

Diego Costa deserves a red for that, what a ####### #######.
   844. Baldrick Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4725279)
Guys shouldn't make contact with other guy's faces. But I am way more interested in sending guys off for rolling around like they've been shot at the tiniest little bit of contact. It's just ridiculous.
   845. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4725280)
I don't much like the habit soccer players have of cradling an opponents head, after a foul or whatever.
   846. bunyon Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4725282)
Guys shouldn't make contact with other guy's faces. But I am way more interested in sending guys off for rolling around like they've been shot at the tiniest little bit of contact. It's just ridiculous.

I agree, but if they had enough refs to call that crap that starts it, you'd probably get a lot less playacting.
   847. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:15 PM (#4725284)
I agree, but if they had enough refs to call that crap that starts it, you'd probably get a lot less playacting.


And give yellow cards for it.
   848. steagles Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4725287)
More and more teams are playing a high defensive line, which means a lot of chances of players being caught offsides.
that doesn't explain why the refs call it the way they do.

they let all kinds of other calls go during the course of a game, but with offsides calls, it seems like they take glee in calling it, whether its there or not.

   849. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:17 PM (#4725290)
Oh yeah!
   850. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4725292)
Nearly a third goal. Rumors of the Dutch being dead appear unfounded.
   851. Randy Jones Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4725294)
they let all kinds of other calls go during the course of a game, but with offsides calls, it seems like they take glee in calling it, whether its there or not.

Calling offsides is one of the primary duties of the two linesmen. The ref is only one guy and has to watch everything, so he will miss some stuff, while offsides will almost never be missed.
   852. Baldrick Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4725295)
they let all kinds of other calls go during the course of a game, but with offsides calls, it seems like they take glee in calling it, whether its there or not

This is not correct.
   853. zack Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4725296)

they let all kinds of other calls go during the course of a game, but with offsides calls, it seems like they take glee in calling it, whether its there or not.

There are special officials for calling offsides.
   854. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4725299)
Spain is looking very vulnerable to the counter.
   855. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4725298)
that doesn't explain why the refs call it the way they do.

they let all kinds of other calls go during the course of a game, but with offsides calls, it seems like they take glee in calling it, whether its there or not.


You're mistaking volume for aggression.
   856. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4725301)
It's one of the more clear-cut calls in the game. So many infractions are a complete judgement call, but offsides is simple. You can get it wrong, but you can't decide that, well, he was only a little offsides so I'll let it go.

Maybe.
   857. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4725303)
If Torres is Spain's plan B, they're ######.
   858. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4725304)
Torres is on. He will somehow score the game tying goal with a difficult shot.
   859. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4725306)
Spain is toast!
   860. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4725307)
What has Torres done to his gorgeous hair?!
   861. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4725308)
Well now he'll have to score two golazos.
   862. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4725309)
I think Spain can feel a little aggrieved there. Goalkeepers usually get fouls called when that happens.
   863. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4725310)
Awesome, so happy.
   864. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4725311)
Terrible play by Casillas. I don't think he was going to reach the ball without the contact.
   865. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4725312)
I think Spain can feel a little aggrieved there. Goalkeepers usually get fouls called when that happens.


Makes up for the soft penalty to Costa.
   866. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4725316)
That non-call felt a lot like a non-call of pass interference for an unplayable ball. Casillas wasn't getting there.
   867. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4725318)
Oof, Spain almost get one right back.
   868. steagles Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4725320)
It's one of the more clear-cut calls in the game. So many infractions are a complete judgement call, but offsides is simple. You can get it wrong, but you can't decide that, well, he was only a little offsides so I'll let it go.

Maybe.
maybe they should. if the forward catches the defense flatfooted and he gets a good pass, that should be rewarded.

it's one thing if a guy is standing offsides, but if he's moving and the defense isn't, why shouldn't there be some leeway in the way the call is made?
   869. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4725324)
Because it opens up a huge can of worms? Why should the ref get to decide to what a nice play is? It's a big breach of his (ostensible) impartiality.

ETA: A big burden too, to ask the ref to make aesthetic judgments.
   870. bunyon Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4725326)
Steagles, I forget, are you American? I'm convinced most Americans have a visceral dislike of the offsides rule.
   871. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4725327)
The Dutch are feeling very confident right now.
   872. tshipman Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4725328)
I think Spain can feel a little aggrieved there. Goalkeepers usually get fouls called when that happens.


Agreed.

Spain with a nice chance ending in offsides. Spain at real risk of not qualifying. Chile will be a tough matchup. If Netherlands holds on, and Chile draws vs. Spain, the last game in the group for Chile is against Netherlands. Netherlands will most likely be in, so they could draw intentionally against Chile to knock out Spain.
   873. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4725330)
That's insane!
   874. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4725331)
Oh, Casillas.
   875. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4725332)
Steagles, I forget, are you American? I'm convinced most Americans have a visceral dislike of the offsides rule.

Americans who have never played soccer, maybe. I have always been baffled by why these people even think it's a problem, let alone a really annoying problem.
   876. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4725333)
Who the #### does the wave at the World Cup?
   877. bunyon Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4725334)
Do keepers usually get that call? I feel like they're a little too protected on plays like that but I don't get to watch nearly enough high level play.
   878. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4725335)
Even if Spain recovers it will likely mean Brazil for them in the Round of 16.
   879. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4725336)
Oh. Man.
   880. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4725337)
Well, that's it. Spain sure aren't getting through on goal differential.
   881. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4725338)
Oh man, what an ass kicking this is.

it's one thing if a guy is standing offsides, but if he's moving and the defense isn't, why shouldn't there be some leeway in the way the call is made?


It's a binary state. Either you're onsides or you're not. If you make it so that if the offensive player is moving and the defenders aren't and that doesn't count, then teams are just going to sit deep and you get boring games where each team tries to counterattack a team that doesn't want to push up. You also give already crappy refs more grey area to screw up.
   882. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4725339)
Holy ####.

You think Casillas gets benched?

EDIT: Going forward that is.
   883. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4725340)
Great effort by Van Persie, he's been amazing all day.
   884. bunyon Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4725341)
Holy ####.
   885. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4725342)
Who are you going to blame that time, Casillas?

I have to say I am very happy about this result, though I do hope Spain still makes it out of the group.
   886. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4725344)
Spain with a nice chance ending in offsides. Spain at real risk of not qualifying. Chile will be a tough matchup. If Netherlands holds on, and Chile draws vs. Spain, the last game in the group for Chile is against Netherlands. Netherlands will most likely be in, so they could draw intentionally against Chile to knock out Spain.



It would be like West Germany vs Austria in 82 all over again to keep Algeria out.
   887. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4725345)
When was the last time Spain gave up 4 goals?
   888. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4725346)
Americans who have never played soccer, maybe. I have always been baffled by why these people even think it's a problem, let alone a really annoying problem.


100% agree.
   889. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4725347)
Who the #### does the wave at the World Cup?

I assume Mexicans, because British people call it "The Mexican Wave". I learned after hearing this phrase 400,000 times on podcasts that "The Mexican Wave" is just the wave.
   890. bunyon Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4725348)
Steagles, I forget, are you American? I'm convinced most Americans have a visceral dislike of the offsides rule.

Americans who have never played soccer, maybe. I have always been baffled by why these people even think it's a problem, let alone a really annoying problem.


It goes against the two sports we play that are most similar. In both basketball and football beating your defender downfield is a GOOD thing. We're predisposed to think that is the way it should go. It took me a lot of watching and playing (very much amateur pick up style games) to see that, despite my initial feelings, it really can't work any other way. It would be as damaging as moving the offside rule to the NFL.
   891. AuntBea Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4725349)
This time the defender objected when the spray went over his shoes.
   892. zack Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4725352)
It goes against the two sports we play that are most similar.

Does it? Both (and hockey) have their own anti-cherrypicking rules, that's all it is.
   893. Swedish Chef Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4725353)
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBBBBBBBBBBEEEENNNN
   894. The Marksist Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4725354)
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ha!
   895. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4725355)
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

AMAZING
   896. tshipman Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4725356)
When was the last time Spain gave up 4 5 goals?

Wow.
   897. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4725357)
Wow
   898. bunyon Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4725358)
Basketball doesn't have an anti-cherrypicking rule. YOu could just leave your 8 foot guy at the other end the whole game if you were willing to defend with 4.

Football does but it looks (on the field) so much different. ONce the ball is snapped, if you can outrun the guy, you're in business.

I do agree that it serves the same function as some of the other rules but it LOOKS different to a casual observer. Once you dig into it, or play it, the soccer offside rule makes perfect sense.
   899. frannyzoo Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4725359)
Iker with the rain hair just says it all.

Who was the Dutch player waiting at the left post for fifteen minutes while Robben danced about for 5-1? I'm guessing he's played enough Dutch football to know he's never, NEVER getting that pass.

Edit: Remember that penalty that Diego Costa didn't deserve about 75 minutes ago? Neither do I.
   900. DA Baracus Posted: June 13, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4725360)
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