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Sunday, March 02, 2014

OT: The Soccer Thread March, 2014

Lots of great games this month and a lot of good mid-week action. Make or break time for Arsenal, Barcelona and Napoli.

March 5th: Ukraine vs USA
March 8th: Seattle vs Sporting KC as MLS gets started, Chelsea vs Tottenham, Arsenal vs Everton in the Cup
March 9th: Man City vs Wigan in the Cup and in Italy Juventus begin have the first of their three battles in the span of two weeks and Napoli host Roma
March 10th: CONCACAF CL begins with Alajuense taking on Arabe Unido. Feel the excitement!
March 11th: Bayern v Arsenal and Atleti v Milan
March 12th: Barca v Man City and Rangers v Airdrie United
March 13th: Spurs v Benfica, Napoli v Porto and Juventus v Fiorentina in some good looking EL matchups.
March 15th: Seattle v Toronto in the battle of American stars, the battle of the Borussias in Germany, Bayern v Leverkusen
March 16th: Derby Day! Liverpool vs Man U and Spurs vs Arsenal
March 17th: Torino v Napoli
March 18th: Chelsea v Galatasaray and Crawley Town v Wolverhampton
March 19th: Borussia Dortmund vs Zenit and Man U vs Olympiacos
March 20th: Europa League return legs
March 21: Freiburng vs Werder Bremen
March 22: Chelsea v Arsenal, Monaco v Lille
March 23: Spurs v Southampton, Real Madrid v Barca, Napoli v Fiornetina
March 25: Manchester Derby, Roma v Torino
March 26: Liverpool v Sunderland, Sevilla v Real Madrid
March 27: Inter v Udinese
March 29: Arsenal v Man City
March 30: Liverpool v Spurs, Barcelona Derby, Athletic v Atletico, Napoli v Juventus

 

 

 

Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 02, 2014 at 11:12 AM | 1404 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1301. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:12 AM (#4699506)
Birmingham just need to hold on!

They have held on :-)
   1302. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:12 AM (#4699508)
Birmingham survive. A fairly quiet morning got crazy late.
   1303. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:13 AM (#4699509)
That's an exciting end to the Championship! I'm pulling for the Latics to win the playoff. Derby would also be nice, if just so they could improve on their last showing in the Prem.
   1304. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4699534)
#### yes Sunderland.
   1305. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4699536)
I wonder if United actually wants to overtake Tottenham and get their horrible last EL spot with early qualifiers.
   1306. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4699540)
Looking good for Villa. Thanks also to Newcastle and Stoke for doing their bit.
   1307. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4699542)
That commercial from Nike was something else. Jesus. It felt like a short film.
   1308. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4699544)
From the clockwatch:

Meanwhile, Oliver Lewis brings us news of quite remarkable chicanery at St. James's:

Newcastle appear to have taken away the LED clocks to try and stop the 69th minute walkout...That's an impressive level of pettiness.

Can anyone confirm this? I do so hope this is true.
   1309. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4699547)
That commercial from Nike was something else. Jesus. It felt like a short film.


There is even a longer online version.
   1310. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4699552)
64th minute, Sunderland leading MUFC -- they bring in Jozy Altidore for Connor Wickham. Entire USMNT fanbase braces for the worst.
   1311. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4699553)
   1312. Rennie's Tenet Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4699554)
Goofy question: if ManU is completely out of European play, could they just schedule one or two friendlies a month against top competition?
   1313. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4699556)
Goofy question: if ManU is completely out of European play, could they just schedule one or two friendlies a month against top competition?

And discard the advantage that they get in the league? Sounds dumb. Also, all the top competition is busy playing games.
   1314. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:41 AM (#4699566)
At least this will kill off "Giggs for manager" talk.
   1315. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4699573)
GIGGS OUT!
   1316. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4699577)
Hooray! Villa is safe*.

*) Not mathematically no. But I'm not convinced that Norwich can beat Chelsea and Arsenal by 15+ goals. Even if they turn on the All Out Attack.
   1317. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4699578)
Barcelona draws at home to Getafe, that's probably it for their season.
   1318. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 03, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4699595)
Wow, what a goal by Barkley.

FYI, the Everton-City match is on CNBC. Took me a while to find it because I don't know what channel CNBC is on my cable system.
   1319. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 03, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4699597)
#### YES EVERTON!
   1320. JoeHova Posted: May 03, 2014 at 12:50 PM (#4699599)
FYI, the Everton-City match is on CNBC. Took me a while to find it because I don't know what channel CNBC is on my cable system.


Thank you, thinking it wasn't on TV was annoying. It doesn't even show that it is on the Premier League website (which usually shows which channel the games are on).
   1321. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: May 03, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4699604)
Probably just coincidence but it seems like a ton of goals happen shortly after a disputed non-call at the other end. It makes some sense that players could get distracted by the ref's decision and lose focus, but I'm wondering if there's actually any evidence of this or just coincidence.
   1322. ursus arctos Posted: May 03, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4699613)
There has been a shooting at a motorway service area on the outskirts of Rome ahead of the Coppa Italia final. At this point, the victims haven't been identified, but one of them is in critical condition with chest wounds. Unfortunately, both Napoli and Fiorentina have their share of mutters.
   1323. JoeHova Posted: May 03, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4699621)
I don't think any Liverpool fans could be disappointed with that effort from Everton. With the result, yes, but Everton played to win.
   1324. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 03, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4699637)
Kind of crazy scenes at the Napoli/Fiorentina match. Napoli is deciding whether they want to play. Hamsik just went over to the stands and is talking to the ultras.
   1325. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 03, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4699641)
Also, for those (like me) who missed the Spurs/West Ham match, here's a gutsy piece of defending from Paulinho and Adebayor.
   1326. frannyzoo Posted: May 03, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4699642)
Seeing Hamsik "consulting" with Ultras has generated both respect for Hamsik and a near permanent dislike for ever watching Serie A again. The Ajax-Zwolle scenes at the Dutch Cup were one thing...this is preposterous.
   1327. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: May 03, 2014 at 04:39 PM (#4699690)
The Ultras need to be "consulted" with Tasers, tear gas and riot batons ...
   1328. Mefisto Posted: May 03, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4699698)
I assume that the calls for Giggs to take over at Utd will be ... muted after today.

I haven't seen Sunderland or Altidore play in months, and I know he's gotten a lot of criticism, but I thought he did well today.
   1329. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: May 03, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4699702)
Jozy's been pretty bright in his last 2 appearances off the bench. He was active today and had one great pass that should have led to a 2nd Sunderland goal.
   1330. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 03, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4699748)
With the win over Everton, City are probably going to win the title and that is so boring. I'm pulling for Liverpool largely because they are interesting. City have felt so ordinary this season, they haven't really had a "statement win" or any particular moment where they felt like they won the title. Fair play to them, they are going to finish with the most points (well, I suspect win on GD) but frankly at different moments this has felt like Arsenal's season, Liverpool's season and even in a different way Chelsea's season. Instead we are winding up with City winning the title and Arsenal taking 4th instead of Everton.
   1331. Mefisto Posted: May 03, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4699762)
If City do win -- and that seems like the best bet -- they'll have been in first place for 13 whole days as of next Sunday. And they'll probably win on GD for the second time in 3 years.
   1332. frannyzoo Posted: May 03, 2014 at 07:32 PM (#4699784)
You might have seen a Soccernet "Boot Room" comment or two to the effect that "Inquiries should be made..." into how Everton gave the game away today. Naturally, it/they were from "LFC4EVR!!!1!!!" or some such. From where I was looking, that was about the best EPL I've seen all year. Toffee fans should be very proud, esp. given the small chance of making CL left to them.
   1333. jmurph Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:51 PM (#4699827)
City have felt so ordinary this season, they haven't really had a "statement win"


Man, your mileage may vary, but 4-1 and 3-0 over United were pretty fun, as was 6-3 over Arsenal, as was 6-0 and 5-1 over Spurs.

And who knows how the next two games will play out, I'm certainly not counting Liverpool or (to a lesser extent) Chelsea out, but this:

they'll have been in first place for 13 whole days as of next Sunday.


is (off the top of my head) mostly only true because they've had 2-3 games in hand over the past 6-8 weeks. City have the exact same record as Liverpool, have scored exactly as many goals, and have conceded 9 less. They are tied for the lead in goals and are second in goals allowed. Liverpool are 8th in goals allowed. To this point, through 36 games, any accounting that has Liverpool as the better side is just a display of personal preference. Which is obviously totally fine, of course, I'm just reacting to the implication that City are somehow stumbling their way to the league lead.
   1334. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4699836)

Man, your mileage may vary, but 4-1 and 3-0 over United were pretty fun ... as was 6-0 and 5-1 over Spurs.
I don't recall the 6-0 or 5-1 as being fun at all...
   1335. Mefisto Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:47 PM (#4699843)
mostly only true because they've had 2-3 games in hand over the past 6-8 weeks.


True. I think City would be perfectly legitimate champions (though it's a bit odd to win on GD twice in three years). I just thought the 2 factoids were interesting.
   1336. frannyzoo Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:57 PM (#4699847)
I'm very surprised EPL still uses GD. It's wrong, other leagues have switched and it seems pretty anti-British in its rewarding of goals over (insert stereotypical British football adjectives here). Maybe it's my Atletico bandwagon jump talking, but that "magic point" (at least up to now) seems much more fair.
   1337. Textbook Editor Posted: May 04, 2014 at 12:29 AM (#4699865)
I'm very surprised EPL still uses GD.


It's possible that should the title come down to GD again this year you might see some discussion of alternatives. I can see where head-to-head record as 1st tiebreaker would be seen by some as a bit more fair, but I suppose you have to think of the impact up and down the table if you go that way. Should teams be relegated if the #18 team lost both head-to-head encounters with the #17 team if they are tied on GD but the #18 team took far more points from the top 4 than the #17 team? Wouldn't you perhaps--in that situation--want the team who took more points from top teams remaining in the league over the other one? Or wouldn't you want the team who was 17th on -10 GD instead of the team in 18th on -25 GD? Doesn't GD signal something about the overall quality of the team?

Sure, I'd love to get rid of GD because Spurs always seem to stink at it, but the fact that they do stink at it does (I think) say something about their general quality overall.

I have no idea of this, but how many First Division/EPL champions have won based on GD? And have any won based on Goals Scored (2nd tiebreaker)?
   1338. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 04, 2014 at 01:04 AM (#4699874)
I haven't been able to watch any of the recent games, but it's disappointing Liverpool couldn't get that result against Chelsea. If Mourinho wanted to park the bus Liverpool should have let them and parked their own bus and taken the draw. Chances for a title don't come along very often.

Looks like De Boer for Spurs? At least he's not Sherwood!
   1339. Swedish Chef Posted: May 04, 2014 at 02:37 AM (#4699884)
I'm very surprised EPL still uses GD. It's wrong, other leagues have switched and it seems pretty anti-British in its rewarding of goals over (insert stereotypical British football adjectives here). Maybe it's my Atletico bandwagon jump talking, but that "magic point" (at least up to now) seems much more fair.

Fairness is hard to do when it's about separating teams ending level. I wouldn't mind Italian style replays, but I loathed H-t-H in the CL, it just tends to make things a foregone conclusion.
   1340. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 04, 2014 at 05:50 AM (#4699890)
I'm very surprised EPL still uses GD. It's wrong

Why?
   1341. Richard Posted: May 04, 2014 at 06:09 AM (#4699891)
Aside from 2012, League titles were won on goal average (the predecessor to goal difference) in 1924, 1953 and 1965. 1924 was closest - Cardiff missed a penalty in the last game that would have won them the league.

One league title was won on goals scored - Arsenal over Liverpool in 1989, with Arsenal beating Liverpool 2-0 in the last match, with the second goal coming in injury time. The tightest and most exciting finish ever.

Goal difference > head to head
   1342. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 04, 2014 at 08:12 AM (#4699900)
Apparently Sunderland fielded an ineligible player (Ji Dong Won) for a couple games and Cardiff, Fulham and Norwich have fielded a protest. The teams met about it in April and no one cared because Sunderland was so bad it didn't matter - now not so much. I can't believe this crap still happens.
   1343. Swedish Chef Posted: May 04, 2014 at 08:22 AM (#4699902)
Apparently Sunderland fielded an ineligible player (Ji Dong Won) for a couple games and Cardiff, Fulham and Norwich have fielded a protest. The teams met about it in April and no one cared because Sunderland was so bad it didn't matter - now not so much. I can't believe this crap still happens.

They have nothing to lose except for legal fees so of course they will take a shot, but I doubt they have a much of a chance getting a decision about breach of competition rules overturned in court.

Sunderland took all of one point with him on the field, I'd say they're pretty safe anyway.
   1344. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 04, 2014 at 08:48 AM (#4699908)
I could see Sunderland having the point taken away from them, but that's about it.

I'm really enjoying Sunderland's late season surge, and it's amazing that they're the team with the best record against Man City this year. At least, I think they are as I can't remember anyone beating City twice.

West Brom deserved to go down in this game. Poor defense on that corner and poor gameplan.
   1345. jmurph Posted: May 04, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4699915)
I'm really enjoying Sunderland's late season surge, and it's amazing that they're the team with the best record against Man City this year. At least, I think they are as I can't remember anyone beating City twice.


Chelsea did, unfortunately.
   1346. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 04, 2014 at 10:36 AM (#4699930)
Count me in for greatly preferring GD over head-to-head. Although a playoff game would be fun!
   1347. frannyzoo Posted: May 04, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4699936)
Re: GD, I just think City's beating some bum team (Fulham) 4-2 v. 3-2 (and Spurs in slightly larger laughers, etc.) shouldn't determine a champion.

Man, when Spurs sucked...

But no matter, THE GAME of the La Liga season is starting. Levante hosting Atletico. Here we go.
   1348. Rob_Wood Posted: May 04, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4699952)

chelsea vs norwich first half: norwich not awarded a penalty kick on a sliding tackle in the box. Game announcer said initially (and repeated after replay) that this was clearly not a penalty. Half time commentator back in studio says it was for sure a penalty showing a slo-mo replay and, presumably, relying on the rule book.

This is very confusing and frustrating to me. There was absolutely no doubt what actually happened. Yet two experts had 180 degree opposite views on the most important call in the sport.

And, dare I say it, the home team was the defending team and referees are notorious at shaping their decisions based upon home vs away.
   1349. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 04, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4699953)
Watching the replay for Norwich's penalty shout it looked a clear penalty to me.

The Chelsea shout wasn't a penalty the Norwich defender didn't make contact. Hazard jumped into him.
   1350. JoeHova Posted: May 04, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4699977)
I kind of like goal differential, it's basically using a rudimentary Pythagorean expectation as the tiebreaker, isn't it? I suppose it would penalize a very good defensive team that didn't bother to score much compared to a bad defensive team that scored a ton but, if Manchester City wins this year, they will have been as good offensively and better defensively than the two teams they finished ahead of due to goal differential.

Also, if that's not the tiebreaker in La Liga, what is? It looks like tiebreakers might come into play.
   1351. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 04, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4699978)
The tiebreaker is La Liga is head-to-head.
   1352. Spivey Posted: May 04, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4699989)
I didn't watch the game, but what the hell Atletico? It'd be a real shame if they finish this year with neither the domestic or UCL trophy.
   1353. ursus arctos Posted: May 04, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4700002)
They were a bit flat, and the Levante keeper made some key saves. Their lack of depth has always been a concern, and the noises about them being the new Neverkusen are getting louder (though, unlike Leverkusen, they can't lose the domestic Cup Final as well).

This result really puts the specter of Barcelona lying down on the final day to deny Madrid the title back on the cards.
   1354. ursus arctos Posted: May 04, 2014 at 03:11 PM (#4700005)
Javier Zanetti is starting his final Derby on the bench, which is a crying shame.
   1355. JoeHova Posted: May 04, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4700011)
This result really puts the specter of Barcelona lying down on the final day to deny Madrid the title back on the cards.


But if all 3 win out until the last game, Barca would still have a chance to win the title if they beat Atletico and Real Madrid lost to Espanyol. Maybe Real losing to Espanyol isn't that likely, but wouldn't you have to give yourself a chance to win in that situation?
   1356. frannyzoo Posted: May 04, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4700014)
Alleged, convincingly, "monkey chants" by Atleti fans in Levante toward Levante's Diop in a Sky story that also shows its writers/editors don't know La Liga is decided by head-to-head instead of Goald Difference.

I had a prior commitment and saw only a bit of the 1st half. Atletico has been dancing between raindrops in a number of games down the stretch...not today. That final game should be interesting...unfortunately.
   1357. ursus arctos Posted: May 04, 2014 at 03:41 PM (#4700018)
Joe, I was assuming that Madrid take an early multi-goal lead against Espanyol, which strikes me as quite likely. You are of course right that the calculus is very different if they drop points before then.

Currently 0-0 at the Bernabeu after 40 minutes.
   1358. Swedish Chef Posted: May 04, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4700025)
Another interesting twist: Valencia scores.
   1359. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: May 04, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4700046)
Sadly a draw, but it has been quite a weekend for La Liga's top three.
   1360. ursus arctos Posted: May 04, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4700047)
If Atleti win next week, they only need a draw in Barcelona to take the title.
   1361. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 04, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4700052)
Pfft, I see everyone here is sleeping on the big story of the day. That mighty SC Paderborn 07 are one home win away from automatic promotion to the Bundesliga.
   1362. ursus arctos Posted: May 04, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4700054)
and a Fuerth - Nuremberg Aufsteigspiel would be tasty, though I would prefer to see HSV in that.
   1363. zack Posted: May 04, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4700056)
And Kaiserslautern is out of the playoffs.
   1364. ursus arctos Posted: May 04, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4700059)
Zanetti never came on, Inter failed to get a shot on goal for the first time in 10 years, and they lost 1-0.

About as bad a day as possible for Interisti, given Juve's title win.
   1365. frannyzoo Posted: May 04, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4700084)
Ursus: Does Mazzari get another year? I've never thought he lived up to billing at Napoli and this has been anything but a quality year. They'll probably hang on to that Europa slot, but is just barely hanging on to a Europa slot really good enough for anybody coaching there? The news, what little I see, seems to indicate he'll stay.
   1366. ursus arctos Posted: May 05, 2014 at 08:51 AM (#4700206)
Mazzarri appears to have the support of the new owner, so if I had to bet I would say that he will stay as long as they don't blow Europa League qualification, but there are a lot of Interisti who think that is absolutely the wrong way to go.
   1367. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 05, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4700325)
So, about that Fenway game between Roma and Liverpool. Does anyone know where tickets are available? Tix went on sale on May 2nd, but other than a few websites that charge exorbitant fees and seem to be run by the same company despite having different names I can't find an official seller. There's no information on the Red Sox Football At Fenway page yet, so I'm not sure what's up. There's also nothing on the Liverpool website that I could see about it, though IIRC both Liverpool and Roma had tickets to sell to their supporters already.
   1368. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 05, 2014 at 04:46 PM (#4700597)
Wow. What a collapse.
   1369. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: May 05, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4700599)
Liverpool, what on Earth are you doing?!
   1370. jmurph Posted: May 05, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4700601)
Wow. Incredible.
   1371. Mefisto Posted: May 05, 2014 at 04:55 PM (#4700603)
I hate to say this because I know how painful it must be to LFC fans, but that was a terrific game to watch.
   1372. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 05, 2014 at 04:56 PM (#4700605)
And the title goes to City.
   1373. Swedish Chef Posted: May 05, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4700608)
Damn, Crystal Palace must have turned on the All Out Attack.

So I'll guess Liverpool's hopes are in the hands of Aston Villa. They're so ######.
   1374. Textbook Editor Posted: May 05, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4700609)
Just wow. How does that happen? City only need a win and draw now to win on GD. Maybe Villa will surprise us this week? Eh, probably not.
   1375. jmurph Posted: May 05, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4700614)
How does that happen?


An absolutely absurd belief that they could overturn what would have been an 11 goal advantage in GD (assuming City won out by a goal in each game)?
   1376. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: May 05, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4700626)
I think I turned off this game at the wrong time.
   1377. JoeHova Posted: May 05, 2014 at 07:58 PM (#4700733)
I kind of feel like Liverpool still has a chance.
   1378. Swedish Chef Posted: May 05, 2014 at 08:17 PM (#4700744)
If you assume that the probabilities of the outcomes in all three games are split 70-20-10, Liverpool has something like 17% chance to win it (and Chelsea is at less than 0.5%)
   1379. frannyzoo Posted: May 05, 2014 at 08:25 PM (#4700751)
So was 3-3 today the single greatest advert for GD possible, or further sign that GD is a stupid way to determine "champions"? Discuss. Show your work.
   1380. JoeHova Posted: May 05, 2014 at 09:08 PM (#4700780)
If you assume that the probabilities of the outcomes in all three games are split 70-20-10, Liverpool has something like 17% chance to win it (and Chelsea is at less than 0.5%)


That's just about exactly the numbers that this odds site has.
   1381. Textbook Editor Posted: May 05, 2014 at 09:39 PM (#4700799)
So was 3-3 today the single greatest advert for GD possible, or further sign that GD is a stupid way to determine "champions"? Discuss. Show your work.


Well, count me as surprised that Rodgers basically admitted they were trying to go for the GD problem even being up 3-0 against a Pulis-led Palace team. Even in the rosy GD scenario I painted several days ago, I thought a 3-0 win over Palace was about the best you could hope for, and that you'd likely need 8-0 or 9-0 against Newcastle. So they get to 3-0, apparently press to get more, and fall apart in just 10 minutes to the point where they actually only come away with a draw.

This seems totally on Rodgers, though. I can squint and see the rationale for going for a 4-0 win if you truly, truly believe Man City will not drop points, but once they score to make it 3-1 with ~10 min left you have to park the bus, try hitting on a 2-man counter if possible, and see out the win for the 3 points. To fall apart completely is just ludicrous.

All that said, I can maybe see City losing one of the last two games... Maybe. After all, were it not for QPR basically quitting in stoppage time they would have lost... at home... to a near-relegation team... when a victory assured them the league title. So anything is possible.

But man, they really blew this one.

EDIT: Like Liverpool fans, I confused today's draw with a loss, because that's how it must feel.
   1382. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 05, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4700811)
Yeah, I feel like Liverpool winning on GD was pretty farfetched the whole time. Make sure you get the win and just hope City drops points.
   1383. Mefisto Posted: May 05, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4700820)
If it's any consolation, virtually all of us will be rooting for Villa....
   1384. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 05, 2014 at 10:18 PM (#4700824)
Yeah, I feel like Liverpool winning on GD was pretty farfetched the whole time. Make sure you get the win and just hope City drops points.


It was looking pretty good until around the 75th minute. They could have been up 4 or 5 to nil given how they played. They just punched themselves out, this was the first time that I've seen Liverpool look that tired and slow to react on the pitch, they just didn't have the legs to get back. After the second goal they tried to defend the lead, and they had nothing.

I feel like this is my trial by fire as a Liverpool fan, much like the Grady Little game certified me for the Red Sox. I had to keep working as the game went on, and I just felt sick to my stomach for a couple hours afterwards.
   1385. puck Posted: May 05, 2014 at 11:08 PM (#4700867)
I hate to say this because I know how painful it must be to LFC fans, but that was a terrific game to watch.


Hmm, I'm not a Liverpool fan but to me, seeing a team blow a 3-0 lead in a game that important can never be terrific to watch. It was 16 minutes of train wrecks.

Seeing how crushed Suarez and Gerrard looked was tough.
   1386. Magnum RA Posted: May 05, 2014 at 11:26 PM (#4700875)
Rodgers cost them 3 points today and very likely cost them a point against Chelsea. He's obviously done more good than bad, but...so close.
   1387. puck Posted: May 05, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4700887)
A little late, but one thing I forgot to mention about Rodgers' post Chelsea comments is that they were largely a paraphrase of comments Mourinho himself had made following the Sunderland Capital One loss. I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, which is unfortunate. Mourinho himself talked about how parking the bus was easy to coach and that it does not allow players to express themselves.

Lots of sour grapes from Rodgers to be sure, but the bits about coaching the bus and players expressing themselves are pretty much exactly things Mourinho himself had said.


Wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round!

"We had one team that needed three points to have a chance to survive, and they didn't play to win," Mourinho told Sky Sports.

...We were waiting for a kind of crazy game, especially in the second half, where they would gamble everything to try for a last chance to survive, but they didn't. Even worse - they defended much more but that's their problem. We have not a right to criticise."
   1388. JE (Jason) Posted: May 06, 2014 at 04:21 AM (#4700948)
Look what Shooty did:
Tottenham have apologised and begun an investigation after claiming that the hacking of their social media accounts was the reason a video was posted poking fun at Liverpool's collapse in the Premier League title race. ...

It read: "Brutal but very funny. The biggest capitulation since Newcastle in the '90s." That referred to the 1995-96 Premier League season, when Newcastle let a 12-point lead slip away and finished second to Manchester United.

The tweet was accompanied by a Vine video which segued from Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard leading an inspirational team huddle after victory over City to his slip to gift fellow title contenders Chelsea the opening goal in their recent 2-0 win at Anfield. That was followed by footage of Dwight Gayle's equaliser for Palace, a close-up of the 3-3 scoreline from Sky's coverage and an unrelated clip of Palace boss Tony Pulis laughing in a BBC interview.
   1389. Swedish Chef Posted: May 06, 2014 at 05:43 AM (#4700950)
PSG gets more than a slap on the wrist for flaunting FFP, bet the part that will sting the most is the transfer fee ceiling this window.
   1390. Swedish Chef Posted: May 06, 2014 at 07:28 AM (#4700957)
UEFA is said to want the same punishment for City as for PSG, but City haven't accepted it and is the club farthest from a deal. They got until this weekend or the CFCB will impose something on them.
   1391. puck Posted: May 06, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4701046)
FFP sounds like a good idea but I hope it doesn't give Barca, Bayern and Real Madrid even more of a leg up. Though I guess Man Utd should be included here, too.
   1392. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 06, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4701109)
Seeing how devastated Suarez and Gerrard were is really great as a sports fan. I was rooting for them but man it's terrific to see elite athletes so obviously caring about the result.
   1393. J. Sosa Posted: May 06, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4701156)
Following LFC the last two matches I've felt like Apollo Creed's corner the last round in Rocky II. Going toe to toe is what they do, even to the bitter end. Its kind of noble in a sad, pathetic, soul crushing pointless,and devastating kind of way. I was watching that match with my wife and sons, and as mentioned it did have a Grady feel to it. When they subbed on Coutinho I felt like screaming at the tv. I could see it coming with Lucas and Gerrard together on the pitch. Why they felt they should even try to make up the goal difference I will never understand. I thought all that stuff was press bollocks, but Rodgers and the team seemed to believe they had to try.

Suarez was a mess even before the match ended, Gerrard had to help him to his feet after the match, he was a wreck. A lot of bad things can be said about Suarez, but no one wants his team to win as badly as he does.

The instant Henderson got that red card I felt like that was the title. There is more to it than that of course, but his loss was devastating. Lucas is a liability playing with Gerrard and he is not capable of going 90 since the injury. Bringing on Coutinho for Sterling and going for more goals was utter madness.

The sad part about this season is that they are going to be remembered like Keegan and that Newcastle team were. I don't think that is fair for a lot of reasons, but the memory is going to be of Gerrard after the City match and then slipping against Chelsea and blowing a 3 nil lead late at Palace. That's what is going to be remembered, and Gerrard knows it. He played out of control again yesterday. It has been a great season, maybe Villa wins or West Ham wins, but I can't see it. Maybe LFC comes back post Grady like the Red Sox did, but boy was that terrible.

I will say though that it didn't hurt as badly as the Chelsea match for a few reasons. For one thing, all they needed out of that Chelsea match was a draw. Not getting that draw led directly to the insanity of trying to catch City on GD and shipping 3 goals late against Palace. The fact that Gerrard slipped which caused the loss is the type of tragi comedic script that would be rejected in fiction. Throw in a dollop of Mourinho, and that was worse. But Palace, eh..... That one hurt.
   1394. JuanGone..except1game Posted: May 06, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4701179)
Now we have sympathy with Suarez? Whose next, Putin.

I'm a fan of the anti-football squad, so my opinion might be shunned, but the avarice showed by Rodgers was deservingly punished again. I know many didn't want a Chelsea side to win for playing somewhat defensive (while having the 3rd most goals in the league) but a Liverpool side that ships in nearly 50 goals is making even less of a title case.

Sad for the Zanneti retirment. Just a great footballer from what I saw and an outstanding man from everything I've heard. I can still remember an Argentinian friend of mine who was just distraught when he wasn't included in WC2006.
   1395. ursus arctos Posted: May 06, 2014 at 12:46 PM (#4701193)
I have had the privilege of meeting Javier Zanetti. He is one of the most impressive individuals I have ever met, as good a person as he is a footballer, which is saying a lot. He will be very sorely missed by all of Italian football.

Meanwhile, it looks like Financial Fair Play fines and squad reductions for both PSG and Manchester City.

Paris St Germain and Manchester City face fines of 60 million euros (49.2 million pounds) and limits on their Champions League squads for next season for breaching UEFA's Financial Fair Play rules, a source close to the process told Reuters on Tuesday.

UEFA said last week that nine unnamed clubs faced punishment under new rules designed to force teams to limit their financial losses and make football more economically stable. Confirmation of the sanctions could come by the end of this week.

French sports daily L'Equipe reported on Tuesday that Qatari-owned PSG would be fined and have their Champions League squad capped at 21 players instead of 25 next season under a proposed settlement. The club's wage bill would also be capped and the fine spread over three years.

A similar settlement is believed to have been offered to City but the English club is disputing the terms.


The squad cap could be particularly significant given UEFA's home grown player rules, which require 8 "home grown" players in a Champions League squad. If that number is not reduced, a club accepting such a deal would only have 13 spaces left, and would likely need to leave significant players out of the squad. The potential wage cap is also likely to be more of a penalty to these mega-rich clubs than the fine.
   1396. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 06, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4701210)
the avarice showed by Rodgers was deservingly punished again.


I don't think it's avarice so much as what he had for options. Liverpool's defense is not good and the best way to protect a 3-0 lead is to make it a 4-0 lead. At the same time given the way the game was trending at that point I think you'd have bet on 5-0 or 6-0 a hell of a lot more than you'd have bet on 3-3.

Watching Palace yesterday I thought of the 1990 White Sox. On the last day of the season they played a meaningless (to them) game at Fenway in a must win for the Red Sox. Chicago gave everything and then some trying to win that game and I remember Peter Gammons writing that Bart Giamatti would have been so proud of the White Sox' effort. Palace deserve the same recognition. They had every right to roll over and just run out the clock but they played that like a cup final.
   1397. frannyzoo Posted: May 06, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4701595)
Anybody interested in posting a May thread? Is that even legal?
   1398. steagles Posted: May 07, 2014 at 02:12 AM (#4701825)
continuing my reviews of espn's soccer films:

barbosa: this was the best portrayal of soccer yet. it was well done, but kinda basic, which is fine considering the target audience.

the missing trophy: this was the most fun film so far. one of the things that made 30 for 30 great wasn't just that it told interesting or tragic stories, but that it also told fun ones, and this is really the first of the soccer films that had any sense of fun.

grades:
ceasefire massacre A
the opposition B
the missing trophy B
barbosa B
hillsborough D
garrincha D
maradona F
   1399. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 07, 2014 at 04:18 PM (#4702481)
Well, that's that...
   1400. Textbook Editor Posted: May 09, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4703641)
Flop
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