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Wednesday, May 07, 2014

OT: The Soccer Thread May, 2014

Real and Atletico go two rounds. Can Liverpool come back? Will Arsenal finally win a trophy?

May 7: Man City v. Aston Villa, Valladolid v. Real Madrid, Copa Liberatadores Quarterfinals (1st legs)
May 8: Copa Liberatadores Quarterfinals (1st legs)
May 10: Inter v. Lazio
May 11: Liverpool v. Newcastle, Man City v. West Ham, Atletico v. Malaga, Celta de Vigo v. Real Madrid, Roma v. Juventus
May 13: Germany v. Poland
May 14: Sevilla v. Benfica, Copa Liberatadores Quarterfinals (2nd legs)
May 15: Copa Liberatadores Quarterfinals (2nd legs)
May 16: Barcelona v. Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid v. Espanyol
May 17: FA Cup Final (Arsenal v. Hull City), DFB Pokal (Dortmund v. Bayern)
May 24: Champions League Final (Real Madrid v. Atletico Madrid)
May 27: USA v. Azerbaijan, Scotland v. Nigeria
May 28: Denmark v. Sweden, Mexico v. Israel, Cameroon v. Paraguay, Honduras v. Turkey
May 29: Chile v. Egypt, Spain v. Bolivia
May 30: England v. Peru, Portugal v. Greece, Netherlands v. Ghana
May 31: Mexico v. Ecuador, France v. Paraguay

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   1001. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:06 AM (#4714401)
Flop
   1002. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:07 AM (#4714402)
I expect a lot more from the next match against Turkey.

Fingers' crossed ...
   1003. Baldrick Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:13 AM (#4714406)
Nothing about that match filled me with dread . But nothing about it excited me much either. I remain uninspired by this team, and while it's certainly possible for us to get out of the group, it doesn't seem very likely.
   1004. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4714407)
It seems like all the teams in Norway are mostly Norwegians plus a few guys from Brazil or Senegal who actually score the goals. Now the USMNT is mostly Americans and we need guys from Norway to score the goals.
   1005. DA Baracus Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:23 AM (#4714412)
That makes a whole lot more sense to me now.


I get the reasoning, but Azberbaijan didn't play like any of the teams the US will face did. It would have made more sense to play a team that actually did.
   1006. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:32 AM (#4714416)
Azerbaijan played Portugal in the 2014 WC Qualifiers and Germany in the 2012 Euro qualifiers, so that was supposedly a part of it. I have no clue how the Azeri usually play, but if they were trying to play as practice squad Portugal, that makes a lot of sense to me given the Klinsmann/Vogts connection.
   1007. DA Baracus Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:48 AM (#4714427)
Azerbaijan played Portugal in the 2014 WC Qualifiers and Germany in the 2012 Euro qualifiers, so that was supposedly a part of it.


I'm aware of that, I already mentioned it. Vogts said before the game he wasn't treating it any differently than any other friendly, and they didn't. They played defense first.
   1008. Swedish Chef Posted: May 28, 2014 at 07:09 AM (#4714443)
Italy will forbid joint ownership of players from next season. Probably because they want to be a slightly less weird league compared to the rest of Europe.
   1009. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:09 AM (#4714450)
Italy will forbid joint ownership of players from next season. Probably because they want to be a slightly less weird league compared to the rest of Europe.

Will that be for new deals only, or will that affect any current joint ownership agreements?
   1010. ursus arctos Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:27 AM (#4714461)
Somewhat unclear and potentially still open to negotiation, but it looks like current deals can be extended for at most one year, and that new deals will be banned.
   1011. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4714633)
   1012. ursus arctos Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4714670)
Legends Club season tickets for NYCFC to be priced at $2,975 or $175 a game.

Good luck with that.

Club also announced that they expect capacity at NYS to be 27,000
   1013. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4714677)
Legends Club season tickets for NYCFC to be priced at $2,975 or $175 a game.

Well, I'll just reach into my pocket...

Naw, screw NYCFC. It's very disappointing MLS has two teams in New York and I find them both kind of gross.

I made the mistake of listening to Talksport today for the first time thinking I would get some insight about Pochettino. Holy crap, their sports radio is worse than ours! I'm pretty sure I suffered irreparable brain damage from those 5 minutes.
   1014. frannyzoo Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4714683)
I listen to "Men in Blazers" via Sirius and can report that it is at times humorous, yet often cringe-worthy. It's also scheduled erratically, as is pretty much all of XM Channel 94. Listening to radio play-by-play of soccer is definitely an acquired taste that I have only acquired in roughly four minute, max, increments. As for Pocchetino, I think he's a good hire (lucky Spurs bastards). When Soton got him in that ugly series of events I thought it was a bad idea, and I was quite wrong. Here's a somewhat enlightening interview about the guy from a Saints perspective. Btw, are any of you Spurs folks here "Uncle Menno"?

Lastly, thanks to all in charge of getting rid of Italian co-ownership! Playing FM with Italian leagues will get so much easier (and it's really all about FM, isn't it?)!
   1015. jmurph Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4714686)
Lastly, thanks to all in charge of getting rid of Italian co-ownership! Playing FM with Italian leagues will get so much easier (and it's really all about FM, isn't it?)!


Speak for yourself, man! I could never have taken Sorrento from Serie C1 to winners of the Champions League without all of that excellent co-ownership revenue.
   1016. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4714688)
Yes! Co-ownership always makes playing as lower-level Italian clubs more fun!
   1017. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4714698)
Goldman Sachs (?!) model puts Brazil at a 48.5% probability of winning the WC. Here is the model writeup, which I am reading at present (seems to be based on past ELO, goals, and match-specific dummies, and then Monte Carlo simulation for games. High Brazil ranking perhaps effect of overweighting past matches + overweighting continent/home effects [particularly the former, which is all high rankings for past stuff]? Final four is Germany-Brazil-Spain-Argentina, which is basically what you'd expect if you're not weighing recency high enough and the fact that they had Brazil favoured in 2010 with the same model suggests the same).

There's a lot of other cool stuff in that .pdf, like interviews, economic analyses, and questions as to when China and India might be good at the sport, as well as by-team breakdowns.
   1018. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4714708)
Final four is Germany-Brazil-Spain-Argentina


Wait. Are you telling me a 2-0 victory over Azerbaijan DOESN'T make the US favorites?
   1019. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4714714)
I made the mistake of listening to Talksport today for the first time thinking I would get some insight about Pochettino. Holy crap, their sports radio is worse than ours! I'm pretty sure I suffered irreparable brain damage from those 5 minutes.

The morons who call in to British sports radio are definitely different from the morons who call in to American sports radio. Our morons don't know anything about anything other than the team they follow, so they just talk endlessly about their own team. It seems like British morons feel the need to be able to talk about things they know nothing about, because at any moment their team may add someone from Bulgaria or Argentina or somewhere, or their team may find itself in a league it's never played in before. And they feel less need to have encyclopedic knowledge of their own team's players, because they are always coming and going. So for every topic the moron is able to parrot incredibly predicable cliches that are several decades out of date.
   1020. Manny Coon Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4714715)
I'm not really buying that Belgium only has a slightly better chance at winning than the USA.

Looking at the betting odds compared to the projections Brazil, Netherlands, the USA, Iran and Australia are the only teams that project better than their odds.
   1021. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4714739)
None of the Goldman model passes the "eye test," but the US did win their (albeit weak) qualifying group and has made a bunch of World Cups in a row. Belgium hasn't made a major tournament since 2002!
   1022. Topher Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4714743)
Wait. Are you telling me a 2-0 victory over Azerbaijan DOESN'T make the US favorites?


Not favorites.

But a two goal margin is the same the last time Germany played Azerbaijan so I think that Goldman Sachs model is questionable, at best, for including Germany in the final four but not the US.

And that doesn't even factor that the World Cup tends to be a defensively minded tournament, so if anything I think the clean sheet obtained by the US would favor the Yanks over Germany.
   1023. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4714748)
Belgium hasn't made a major tournament since 2002!

But they are loaded with Spurs! That's like +98 or something!
   1024. DA Baracus Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4714749)
That reads like a study made by people who don't know much about the sport, like just about anything on sports from Forbes.
   1025. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4714751)
The morons who call in to British sports radio are definitely different from the morons who call in to American sports radio.

They are definitely morons, but I was talking more about the hosts. If those guys are what passes for sports intelligentsia in the UK it's no wonder they've fallen behind just about every country in Europe when it comes to developing talent.

edit: I should add that there are a lot of annoying Spurs fans in the world. The reaction to Pochettino's hiring has made me hate a significant fraction of the fanbase. Yikes.
   1026. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: May 28, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4714771)
I'd be curious to know if anyone associated with that Goldman study put their money where their mouth is. Brazil are available at 3/1 odds, so someone who truly believes Brazil are a coinflip to win the whole thing should be more than willing to throw down some serious cash on that line.
   1027. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 28, 2014 at 02:42 PM (#4714778)
Goldman doesn't bet their own money... they bet other people's money and make the commission of of that.
   1028. ursus arctos Posted: May 28, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4714825)
Malcolm Glazer has died.
   1029. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 28, 2014 at 04:00 PM (#4714830)
I should add that there are a lot of annoying Spurs fans in the world. The reaction to Pochettino's hiring has made me hate a significant fraction of the fanbase. Yikes.


You sound like you are ready to be a Red Sox fan.
   1030. DA Baracus Posted: May 28, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4714871)
The Scotland - Nigeria game is under suspicion of match fixing, and the Nigeria keeper just threw the ball into his own net.
   1031. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 28, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4714885)
The Scotland - Nigeria game is under suspicion of match fixing, and the Nigeria keeper just threw the ball into his own net.


So everything is fine then.
   1032. Swedish Chef Posted: May 28, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4714895)
Nigeria managed to rescue a little honor with a nice equalizer.
   1033. Swedish Chef Posted: May 28, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4714917)
Woah, West Ham signs Zarate, that's brave. Risky move for both parties.

Stephen Hawking earning some extra money with betting tips. His analysis is thin.

   1034. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:38 PM (#4714964)
I do not like the new transfermarkt design. For several days I kept thinking I was going to the wrong website.
   1035. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:39 PM (#4714965)
Malcolm Glazer has died.


Moyes killed 'im!
   1036. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: May 28, 2014 at 11:36 PM (#4715066)
Does this mean he'll stop dyeing is hair?
   1037. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: May 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM (#4715219)
Football Cliches "World Cup Guide," currently free to download. I'm a fan of the blog, and this should be quite funny.
   1038. puck Posted: May 29, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4715233)
So the latest NYCFC rumor is that they've signed David Villa?
   1039. ursus arctos Posted: May 29, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4715234)
Cosmos beat Brooklyn Italians in the Open Cup last night to set up a derby with NYRB in the next round.

Some other matches of note in the next round:

Rochester Rhinos - DC United
Arizona United - LA Galaxy
Harrisburg City Islanders - Phila. Union
Sacramento Republic - San Jose Earthquakes

Yesterday also saw the draw for the CONCACAF Champions League, which was pretty favorable for the MLS clubs:

Group 1: Pachuca (Mexico), Real España (Honduras), Municipal (Guatemala)
Group 2: Sporting Kansas City (USA), Saprissa (Costa Rica), Real Esteli (Nicaragua)
Group 3: New York Red Bulls (USA), Toronto FC or Impact de Montreal (Canada), FAS (El Salvador)
Group 4: Tauro FC (Panama), D.C. United (USA), Waterhouse FC (Jamaica)
Group 5: Olimpia (Honduras), Portland Timbers (USA), Alpha United (Guyana)
Group 6: Alajuelense (Costa Rica), Cruz Azul (Mexico), Chorrillo FC (Panama)
Group 7: Leon (Mexico), Isidro Metapan (El Salvador), Belmopan Bandits (Belize)
Group 8: Comunicaciones (Guatemala), Club America (Mexico), Puerto Rico Bayamon FC (Puerto Rico)
   1040. Mattbert Posted: May 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4715270)
Pochettino seems like a solid hire, but I foresee similar pitfalls to the ones that contributed to AVB’s failure if he’s asked to begin the next campaign with largely the same squad he’s just inherited. This is not a group of players with the athleticism or, as far as I can tell, the intelligence and situational awareness to execute the high-tempo, high-pressing style of play that Pochettino orchestrated at Southampton and Espanyol. AVB tried to employ a slightly tweaked version of his similarly direct, aggressive Porto blueprint and found the personnel at his disposal lacking, prompting him to vacillate between tactical plans and never truly seeming comfortable with any of them.

I hope Pochettino proves to be either more clever or more adaptable or more something, because I don’t think he’ll be able to count on having the horses to do what he did with his previous teams. The Tottenham squad has more raw talent than the one Pochettino’s leaving behind, but it’s also a very different kind of squad; one that never really graduated past looking like a group of very skilled individuals operating without much of a cohesive plan or, at times, even the slightest understanding of each other’s play. Cohesiveness and coordination being the two most recognizable calling cards of a Pochettino team, I think he’s got his work cut out for him.
   1041. ursus arctos Posted: May 29, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4715287)
Shooty alert:

Parma's appeal of their Europa League ban (over late payment of taxes) has been rejected, which means that Torino will take their place unless a final appeal to CAS is successful.
   1042. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 29, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4715306)
Parma's appeal of their Europa League ban (over late payment of taxes) has been rejected, which means that Torino will take their place unless a final appeal to CAS is successful.

Talk about a weak way to win entry into Europe! Better than nothing, I guess.

AVB tried to employ a slightly tweaked version of his similarly direct, aggressive Porto blueprint and found the personnel at his disposal lacking, prompting him to vacillate between tactical plans and never truly seeming comfortable with any of them.

I don't know, I think the pieces are there with Sandro/Paulinho/Capoue/Bentaleb/Dembele. I've said this before but I don't think there was enough carrot to go with the stick under AVB by which I mean he wanted the players to do the defensive dirty work but when they had the ball, when the game should be fun for them, they were stifled. I think over the long haul you just lose the incentive to do the dirty work when you don't get to express yourself on the other end. The key for Pochettino is to unleash a smothering defense but then immediately, you know, TRY TO SCORE A ####### GOAL once you have the ball and I'll think that will lead to much more incentivized play on the defensive end. If Pochettino wants to snag a player from his old squad I'm thinking Schneiderlin is a better bet than Lallana or Shaw, though. Everyone is obsessed with Lallana and Shaw, and they are good players, but Schneiderlin was the key for Southampton, IMHO, of course.
   1043. Swedish Chef Posted: May 29, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4715309)
I predict Tottenham and Torino will meet in the playoff for a place in the group stage.
   1044. Swedish Chef Posted: May 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4715311)
TRY TO SCORE A ####### GOAL once you have the ball

You and your excessive demands. What impossible thing do you want next, a center back with pace, eh?
   1045. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 29, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4715322)
I predict Tottenham and Torino will meet in the playoff for a place in the group stage.

That would be great. I might just try to get to Turin if that happens.
   1046. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 29, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4715473)
Erik Lamela is alive!

Sounds like Spurs have no plans to sell him. The most interesting item in the article for me is that Southampton tried to sign Harry Kane in January. I guess Pochettino is a fan.

Swansea signed Fabianski, by the way. I wonder if this means Vorm is going to be sold?
   1047. ursus arctos Posted: May 29, 2014 at 02:44 PM (#4715486)
Proving that his surname is a barefaced lie, Ciro Immobile is moving from Torino to Borussia Dortmund for Euro 19 million.
   1048. Swedish Chef Posted: May 29, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4715493)
Scratch one joint-owned player.
   1049. Swedish Chef Posted: May 29, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4715505)
Roy Keane is in talks to take over Celtic. They seem to have hit on the one thing that could stop them from winning the league. Nah, not even Keane could fail there.
   1050. AuntBea Posted: May 29, 2014 at 02:54 PM (#4715511)
Both Nigeria against Scotland, and now Cameroon against Paraguay, looked very suspect in their games preparing for the world cup.
   1051. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 29, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4715517)
Proving that his surname is a barefaced lie, Ciro Immobile is moving from Torino to Borussia Dortmund for Euro 19 million.

And only half for Torino. Ah well...

Roy Keane is in talks to take over Celtic. They seem to have hit on the one thing that could stop them from winning the league. Nah, not even Keane could fail there.

And once again he abandons Ireland before a World Cup...
   1052. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 29, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4715553)
Just what FPH wants...300 million Bayern Munich fans.

I think my wife should see if they're hiring since she's a fluent German speaker. I still would wish fiery doom on them, of course.
   1053. ursus arctos Posted: May 29, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4715568)
Chances that Julian Green features in those two friendlies have increased significantly.
   1054. DA Baracus Posted: May 29, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4715590)
Chances that Julian Green features in those two friendlies have increased significantly.


Not because of that. Klinsmann won't doing Bayern any favors.
   1055. ursus arctos Posted: May 29, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4715593)
Bayern pay Green's wages and I am afraid that he will have plenty of time to recover from Brazil.
   1056. DA Baracus Posted: May 29, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4715650)
I'm not following your point.
   1057. ursus arctos Posted: May 29, 2014 at 04:44 PM (#4715655)
And I'm not following yours.

Mine was that Green is much more likely to feature in the two Bayern friendlies noted in the article Shooty linked (against Chivas and MLS All Stars), whereas I now think you thought I was talking about the upcoming USMNT matches.
   1058. DA Baracus Posted: May 29, 2014 at 04:49 PM (#4715663)
Yes, I thought you meant the two friendlies coming up next week.
   1059. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2014 at 06:29 PM (#4715733)
re: 1046 Vorm

There have been tenuous links to Liverpool for Vorm. For the right price, and if he's healthy I'd be happy with that. Mignolet was a mild disappointment and he could use some competition.

Also...

Rickie!!!

There is speculation that a Lambert transfer would be a way to screw Bournemouth on a Lallana purchase. That sounds a little too much like the Magnum deals Theo would try to pull off for the Red Sox. I'm dubious to put it mildly. I'm assuming that is going to be a little obvious if they end up dropping a bunch of money on Lambert and then pick up Lallana on a relatively cheap fee.

That said, if Lambert's cheap I'm on board. Unleash the Rickie in the cup games.
   1060. ursus arctos Posted: May 29, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4715738)
Tomorrow's Gazzetta reporting that David Villa and Frank Lampard are on their way to NYCFC.

Strongly agree with 1059 on the Lambert/Lallana conspiracy theories. It would never work, especially as the club being screwed is English (and one of Harry Redknapp's former clubs).

Is 9 million quid for Lambert really cheap? Are we that far through the looking glass on valuations in England?
   1061. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2014 at 06:46 PM (#4715740)
The initial reports were 9 million which led to the Lallana speculation. Other reports say 4 million with add ons which sounds more palatable.

edit to add: The Lambert deal has legs. Pearce from the Echo is reporting that a deal is imminent. If it is indeed the 4 number or something close to it and a two year deal, that's pretty much an ideal third striker. Productive, played in a similar system, won't expect to start, and a scouser to boot. Didn't see it coming, but it would be a nice signing.
   1062. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 29, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4715747)
Jeez, I thought Lambert was the one guy Soton would be able to keep. Which team loses more players this summer, Atleti or Southampton?
   1063. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2014 at 07:09 PM (#4715750)
I'm not sure what is going on at Southampton, but it doesn't smell right. Cortese, Pochettino, and (IIRC) some of their youth development people out in the past year. The players might figure it is time to jump ship. I wasn't fully convinced by ownership's intentions going forward for the club, and I guess maybe the players aren't either.

As for Atleti and Southampton, that's an interesting exercise, but I would have to go with Atleti. I suspect the team will be unrecognizable next season.
   1064. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 29, 2014 at 07:28 PM (#4715765)
Lambert is 32 years old! Quite different from the other proposed Southampton exodus.
   1065. J. Sosa Posted: May 29, 2014 at 07:45 PM (#4715773)
I think what Shooty was getting at is that Lambert is a Soton legend. They love the guy. They signed him when they were in League One and he was a big part of bringing them all the way to the PL and a top 10 finish.

Supporters of the club talk of him like they do Le Tissier, he means a lot to them. Many of them suggest Liverpool are the only club he would leave for given his background. That type of sentiment usually is misplaced, but I'm not so sure in this case.

edit to add: As for the rest of the exodus, I don't know. With Cortese and Pochettino gone, it may be hard to hold on to players. It remains to be seen, but there are some heavy hitters after their players. That usually doesn't bode well.
   1066. DA Baracus Posted: May 29, 2014 at 09:38 PM (#4715834)
I'm not sure what is going on at Southampton, but it doesn't smell right.


The owner, who inherited the team from her father, has no idea what she is doing and has alienated pretty much everyone below her, which is why Cortese left and once that happened, Pochettino wasn't sticking around.
   1067. AuntBea Posted: May 29, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4715856)
Honduras really fell apart the last half hour of their game against Turkey. Before that it looked relatively even.
   1068. AuntBea Posted: May 29, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4715913)
The odds on this aggregating site give the USA about a 23% chance to qualify, just slightly worse than Ghana. Most other sites have the USA with a slight edge over Ghana. My 20% guess was not far off. The only other group besides Group G (the USA group) to have two clear favorites to advance is Group H, with Belgium and Russia huge favorites to advance ahead of South Korea and Algeria.
   1069. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 07:42 AM (#4715952)
The reasons are thought Lambert would stay at Soton are because:

1. They love him. They call him Saint Rickie Lambert and with all the departures they're going to have this summer keeping him would show some goodwill.
2. He's getting long in the tooth and so wouldn't command much of a fee.
3. As good as he's been I didn't think a Top 4 club would come in for him, especially with the new TV money making it easier than ever for English clubs to raid the continent.

I've been chatting about soccer recently with a diehard Bournemouth fan who naturally has a lot of Southampton fans as mates. He says they're all convinced that the ownership their is going to asset strip the club and then cash out as they don't really want to keep the club. That could just be doom and gloom talk but that seems the conventional wisdom in the south of England.

edit: By the way, it looks like Lloris is going to stay at Spurs barring some kind of PSG mega bid. Whew!
   1070. Richard Posted: May 30, 2014 at 08:23 AM (#4715963)
Fee agreed for Lambert with Liverpool - 4.5 million. He's having a medical.

The Saints fans I know are very pessimistic about next season.
   1071. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: May 30, 2014 at 08:26 AM (#4715967)
   1072. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 08:34 AM (#4715972)
And it can be yours, for the low, low price of £410!!!

Thanks to Ed Hardy, that's not the ugliest t-shirt I've ever seen. But it's close.
   1073. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 08:37 AM (#4715973)
The Saints fans I know are very pessimistic about next season.

It's unfortunate. They were playing some nice stuff but I think if they choose a new manager poorly they could be in the relegation scrum.
   1074. DA Baracus Posted: May 30, 2014 at 09:36 AM (#4715996)
   1075. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 10:00 AM (#4716022)
So, Arsene has 3 more years to figure out how to zip up that damned jacket.
   1076. ursus arctos Posted: May 30, 2014 at 10:08 AM (#4716033)
I've been chatting about soccer recently with a diehard Bournemouth fan who naturally has a lot of Southampton fans as mates. He says they're all convinced that the ownership their is going to asset strip the club and then cash out as they don't really want to keep the club.


I'm afraid that every indication is that this is true, and not fevered conspiracy theorizing. It is widely thought to be at the heart of Cortese's departure. While he understood that Ms. Leibherr had no interest in keeping the club, he thought that he could convince her that building upon their current foundation would ultimately allow her to cash out for more money in a year or two. When he failed in that effort, he left, and the fact that Lambert was first to go gives every indication that there is a price tag on every player of value.
   1077. Ron J2 Posted: May 30, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4716064)
#1030 linky

Honestly doesn't look like a handling error to me. It really does look like he tosses into his net.
   1078. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4716108)
It really does look like he tosses into his net.

I think it's pretty obvious that he did. At least we know for sure who was on the take.
   1079. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4716112)
Parma's president is not happy.

I don't know, even as a Torino fan, I think he's got a legitimate gripe. Not paying 300k Euros in taxes didn't give them some kind of unfair competitive advantage.
   1080. ursus arctos Posted: May 30, 2014 at 12:29 PM (#4716113)
At least in Italy, they've claimed to have paid the 300K, which makes it even more outrageous.

He's been a good president for Parma, and they may well struggle without him.
   1081. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 30, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4716118)
Great piece by MCoA on Poch. He's inventing new stats right and left!
   1082. Mattbert Posted: May 30, 2014 at 12:51 PM (#4716124)
The key for Pochettino is to unleash a smothering defense but then immediately, you know, TRY TO SCORE A ####### GOAL once you have the ball

Right, but isn't that exactly what AVB was supposed to be all about too? Aggressive defending, generating turnovers, and exploiting field position to score quick goals in transition? And Southampton struggled against the same "park the bus and counter attack behind the high press" teams that Tottenham did. I don't see how the Pochettino approach is going to make Spurs any less vulnerable unless there are a few corresponding adjustments to the squad, especially in defense.

I guess even though I don't see much daylight between Pochettino and AVB philosophically, if you dig into their teams' component stats and hold constant the advantage Spurs had in conversion rate then you could expect improvement in the scoring department. For whatever reason, Southampton created more high-quality chances than Spurs did but weren't as good at finishing them. Tack on the possibility that Pochettino could do for Lamela, Soldado, et al what he did for Lallana, Rodriguez, and Lambert...maybe there are some grounds for optimism.

If Pochettino wants to snag a player from his old squad I'm thinking Schneiderlin is a better bet than Lallana or Shaw, though. Everyone is obsessed with Lallana and Shaw, and they are good players, but Schneiderlin was the key for Southampton, IMHO, of course.

Totally agree. I'm a big fan of Schneiderlin, and I desperately wanted the club to sign him last summer to cover/complement Sandro. That was before Gareth Bale destroyed the world, of course. The problem now is Spurs are arguably already overloaded in central midfield, and I don't think Schneiderlin is enough of an upgrade (if any) over Sandro and Capoue to warrant the expense and roster churn associated with a move.

The two Saints who match up best with Spurs' current needs are Shaw and Lovren. The former's not realistic because there's no way Levy doesn't get outbid if Southampton have Shaw on the block. Lovren is more of a possibility, and I was actually somewhat stunned to learn he's still only 24. It feels like ages ago when there was all sorts of noise that he was going to be Tottenham's next prize acquisition from Zagreb after Modric.

The most interesting item in the article for me is that Southampton tried to sign Harry Kane in January. I guess Pochettino is a fan.

I can see why. Kane definitely has some Rickie Lambert-esque qualities.
   1083. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4716127)
It's no surprise to me that a Tottenham fan is fast becoming soccer journalism's most astute statistical analyst. Only a Spurs fan would have the desire to dissect just exactly where it all went/will go wrong...

I'm a little nervous about the flaccid possession numbers, but bring on that Nolan Richardson style press! Let Sandro crush some #############.
   1084. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4716130)
I can see why. Kane definitely has some Rickie Lambert-esque qualities.

Slow, white and English!

Naw, I kid. Old time Spurs fans say he reminds them of Sheringham which jibes with what I've seen of footage of Sheringham. I think Harry might be some kind of savant about finding space for himself.
   1085. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4716134)
If the Southampton owner wants to sell, shouldn't she do it now? Unless she is selling players and then pulling the cash out immediately and then selling the club. A new owner wants a club that just finished top half of the table. I guess maybe she could always find some clueless guy who is oblivious that the team has been stripped of all the good talent.
   1086. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4716137)
If the Southampton owner wants to sell, shouldn't she do it now? Unless she is selling players and then pulling the cash out immediately and then selling the club. A new owner wants a club that just finished top half of the table. I guess maybe she could always find some clueless guy who is oblivious that the team has been stripped of all the good talent.

Maybe. Think of it this way, the most she's going to get for the club now is around 100 million (let's leave Fulham out of this because that was an idiotic price paid by Khan). If she sells the best players she can get that 100 million in transfer fees and then sell the club for say 20 million. Profit!

Conservative guesses:

Lambert: 5mm
Shaw: 30mm
Lallana: 20mm
Lovren: 10mm
Schneiderlin: 10mm
Osvaldo: 7mm
Cline: 5mm
Rodriguez: 15mm

That's over 100mm right there. Now anything she gets for the club is gravy.
   1087. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4716139)
BTW, ursus, do you happen to know anyone in that new Bayern New York office? I am serious when I say I'd like my wife to try to work for them. She's pretty dissatisfied with her current job and I'm dissatisfied with how they treat and pay her. Better Bayern than who she's working for now and I'm sure she's more than qualified for whatever shenanigans FC Hollywood has planned for America.
   1088. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 30, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4716148)
Better Bayern than who she's working for now...
From this I take it that she currently works for either the Yankees or Al Qaeda.
   1089. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4716150)
From this I take it that she currently works for either the Yankees or Al Qaeda.

I won't say publicly for fear of Google. I will say they are a Germanic outfit and she speaks German at her office. She sometimes comes home jibbering-jabbering auf Deutsche still, much to my amusement.
   1090. Mattbert Posted: May 30, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4716152)
Naw, I kid. Old time Spurs fans say he reminds them of Sheringham which jibes with what I've seen of footage of Sheringham. I think Harry might be some kind of savant about finding space for himself.

Well he has been hanging around with Sigurdsson, who's like a friggin' zen master at that. Siggy might even be a little too good at it; he's always ghosting into dangerous areas around the box, unseen by defensive markers...and his teammates.

Great piece by MCoA on Poch. He's inventing new stats right and left!

Yeah, that was triffic. I do think a significant portion of the apparent difference between Poche and AVB in long shots is not necessarily down to tactics per se but rather AVB swiftly recognizing that he should probably just let Gareth Bale go ahead and be GARETH BALE and do whatever the #### he wants. And if he wants to stick it in the top corner from 30 yards out again, well then that's just fine.

That wasn't a problem until he didn't have Bale anymore, and maybe some of that permissiveness regarding shots from distance leaked over into the dawn of the Andros Townsend Era. I have a hunch AVB would have clamped down on that more if he hadn't happened to intersect with Bale's rise to superstardom.
   1091. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4716154)
That wasn't a problem until he didn't have Bale anymore, and maybe some of that permissiveness regarding shots from distance leaked over into the dawn of the Andros Townsend Era. I have a hunch AVB would have clamped down on that more if he hadn't happened to intersect with Bale's rise to superstardom.

It's possible. Bale was such a unique talent and the team pretty clearly started just standing around and waiting for him to do something. Outside of those moments of genius from Bale the soccer was pretty turgid, though. That should have been a tip off to AVB something wasn't right. Ah well. That's all in the past now. Pochettino now, Pochettino forever!
   1092. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 30, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4716168)
Bayern would obviously not hire someone who follows their bitter regional rivals Augsburg, but Freiburg should be fine.
   1093. ursus arctos Posted: May 30, 2014 at 02:57 PM (#4716190)
Sorry, Shooty. I try not to associate with Bavarians in general and Bayern officials in particular.

She should definitely lob a CV in, though.
   1094. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: May 30, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4716193)
Sorry, Shooty. I try not to associate with Bavarians in general and Bayern officials in particular.

Heh. She had the same reaction when I brought it up to her! And she told me Bavarians talk "funny". She also seems intimidated by Der Kaiser. But as I told her, SC Freiburg isn't walking through that door anytime soon...
   1095. ursus arctos Posted: May 30, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4716198)
They definitely do talk funny, but she's worked with Austrians, so that's clearly not a complete bar.
   1096. ursus arctos Posted: May 30, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4716205)
Full draw for 4th round of US Open Cup. I wish Cosmos/Red Bulls wasn't all the way out at Hofstra

Wednesday, June 11

10 pm ET, Houston Dynamo vs. Laredo Heat (PDL) -BBVA Compass Stadium, Houston

10:30 pm ET, San Jose Earthquakes vs. Sacramento Republic (USL PRO)- Kezar Stadium, San Francisco CA

Saturday, June 14

8:30 pm ET, New York Cosmos (NASL) vs. New York Red Bulls – Shuart Stadium, Hofstra University, Hempstead NY

8 pm ET, Carolina RailHawks (NASL) vs. Chivas USA – WakeMed Soccer Park, Cary NC

7:30 pm ET, Atlanta Silverbacks (NASL) vs. Real Salt Lake – Silverbacks Park, Atlanta

Tuesday, June 17

7 pm ET, Philadelphia Union vs. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL PRO) – PPL Park, Chester PA

7:05pm ET, Rochester Rhinos (USL PRO) vs. D.C. United – Sahlen’s Stadium, Rochester NY

7:30pm ET, Columbus Crew vs. Indy Eleven (NASL) – FirstEnergy Stadium, University of Akron, Akron OH

9 pm ET, FC Dallas vs. San Antonio Scorpions (NASL) – Toyota Stadium, Frisco TX

9 pm ET, Colorado Rapids vs. Orlando City (USL PRO) – Dick’s Sporting Goods Park, Commerce City CO

10:30 pm ET, Portland Timbers vs. Orlando City U23s (PDL) – Providence Park, Portland OR

Wednesday, June 18

7 pm ET, Richmond Kickers (USL PRO) vs. New England Revolution – City Stadium, Richmond V

8:30 pm ET, Chicago Fire vs. Pittsburgh Riverhounds (USL PRO) – Toyota Park, Bridgeview IL

8:30 pm ET, Sporting Kansas City vs. Minnesota United (NASL) – Sporting Park, Kansas City KS

10 pm ET, Seattle Sounders vs. PSA Elite (USASA) – Starfire Sports Complex, Tukwila WA

10:30 pm ET, Arizona United (USL PRO) vs. LA Galaxy – Peoria Sports Complex, Peoria AZ
   1097. AuntBea Posted: May 30, 2014 at 03:38 PM (#4716206)
Sturridge just manufactured a very pretty goal against Peru.
   1098. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: May 30, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4716208)
Huh, seeing a game at Kezar might be kind of fun.
   1099. AuntBea Posted: May 30, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4716209)
The old Kezar sat almost 60,000, the new Kezar only 9000. But it is much prettier now.
   1100. ursus arctos Posted: May 30, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4716218)
Sacramento Republic have drawn over 20,000 to each of their last two matches, and I would expect them to have more than a few fans at Kezar. It should be fun.
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