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OT: The Soccer Thread: November 2012

Yeah, yeah, it’s late.

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 03, 2012 at 07:10 PM | 370 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 04, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4292668)
Brutal week for me in fantasy. 20 points. Ouch.
   2. Swedish Chef Posted: November 04, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4292675)
Tottenham's wins have been against the four bottom teams... and United away.
   3. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 04, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4292755)
Just echoing a comment at the end of the last thread, these early round FA Cup matches are great. I really enjoy the FA Cup in general, the knockout nature of it is fun and it seems the crowds are always a bit more amped up.

Generally good day of soccer today, Liverpool Newcastle was fantastic and now Houston with a terrific early goal against Sporting KC.
   4. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: November 04, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4292761)
Between the election and studying the only game I saw was Tottenham. Gross. Luckily there's no time to dwell on it!
   5. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 04, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4292796)
Tottenham's wins have been against the four bottom teams... and United away.

And they haven't managed to win yet in Europa League even though AVB is taking it seriously.
   6. ursus arctos Posted: November 04, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4292817)
Aronica gives Shooty and Torino an early Christmas present with a suicidal back pass in injury time that hands Torino a point.
   7. puck Posted: November 04, 2012 at 09:42 PM (#4292907)
Aronica gives Shooty and Torino an early Christmas present with a suicidal back pass in injury time that hands Torino a point.

So ridiculous. But Napoli also seemed to take their foot off the gas as well.
   8. puck Posted: November 04, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4292909)
Everyone's watching MLS playoff soccer, right? There's been some crazy stuff, mostly not in a good way. US U-23 keeper Bill Hamid caught a ball off a set piece and then fell into goal. DC United player Andy Najar, angry at being carded for a tactical foul, threw the ball at the ref and got to go to the lockerroom without passing GO, collecting $200, etc.
   9. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 04, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4292930)
That Najar thing was crazy. What an amazingly stupid thing to do.

The game today was very entertaining. Looked like KC was really wearing down at the end. Wish I could stay up tonight for the LA/San Jose game but no chance of that.
   10. puck Posted: November 04, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4292964)
One would think the Galaxy and Earthquakes would be a good matchup, but they appear to be doing that conservative "whatever you do don't fall behind in a tournament" thing.
   11. DA Baracus Posted: November 04, 2012 at 11:01 PM (#4292966)
San Jose just needs to keep it close and then score in the last 3 minutes of the game. Earlier in the season I thought there's no way they can keep that up but they never stop doing it. This would be a hell of a time for the magic pixie dust to wear off.
   12. Mefisto Posted: November 04, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4292968)
Juninho seems to have missed the memo in which the Galaxy are playing in white.
   13. DA Baracus Posted: November 05, 2012 at 12:13 AM (#4293015)
SJ in stoppage time. Of course.
   14. Mefisto Posted: November 05, 2012 at 12:17 AM (#4293016)
Sad, sad performance by the Galaxy. And the goal would embarrass a U12 team.
   15. DA Baracus Posted: November 05, 2012 at 01:22 AM (#4293039)
Speaking of San Jose, in my Football Manager season their new manager is... Sven!
   16. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 05, 2012 at 01:41 AM (#4293046)
Wow, just watched the replay. Good god that was a terrible let in by LA.

Dreadful.

   17. Swedish Chef Posted: November 06, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4294843)
Looks like Mancini better polish up his resume.
   18. DA Baracus Posted: November 06, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4294845)
Arsenal in their yellow third kits, denying us red vs blue on Election day.
   19. JuanGone..except1game Posted: November 06, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4294864)
Looks like Mancini better polish up his resume.


I hear that Monte Carlo has a great night-life.
   20. Swedish Chef Posted: November 06, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4294873)
Malaga could have been a pretty great team if they had kept their stars.
   21. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: November 06, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4294892)
The weekend before last I was in St Petersburg while the Tampa Bay Rowdies were playing Minnesota Stars FC for the championship of the NASL. I wandered up Central Ave before and after the game and the bars there were full of people in Rowdies gear having a grand old time. There were only something like 6000 people at the game but they managed to give a three block area something like a championship atmosphere. Lots of fun, and more atmosphere than I thought the new faux NASL was capable of generating.
   22. DA Baracus Posted: November 06, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4294956)
I don't know what they're chanting in Schalke but it sounds pretty cool. Now watch it be a racist song or something.
   23. Mattbert Posted: November 07, 2012 at 10:02 AM (#4296689)
The weekend before last I was in St Petersburg

Thanks for the email!
   24. ursus arctos Posted: November 07, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4297036)
Tottenham's youth team has just taken apart Barcelona Juvenil in the NextGen Series IN Barcelona.

1-4 the final, after Spurs were 4-0 up and cruising.
   25. Textbook Editor Posted: November 07, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4297159)
Wow. Celtic. Can't wait to see the tape-delay of this game; I'll bet the crowd is going bonkers after that goal. Can the bus-parking work this time?
   26. SuperGrover Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:05 PM (#4297249)
Interesting lineup by Man U. No RVP, no Rafael, no Carrick, and no Cleverly. I guess they are pretty much guaranteed advancement but I would think he would want to win the group which a point would all but guarantee. If ESPN's stats are to be trusted, they are getting dominated (11 shots to 2 for Man U-none on target).
   27. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4297286)
Yes it can TE! Tony Watt on his season debut at age 18 puts it away!
   28. zack Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:26 PM (#4297290)
2-0 Celtic. Yep.

Barcelona had basically given up on playing defense and they got burned right off a goal kick. Looked offsides to me, but I didn't see a good replay.
   29. SuperGrover Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4297291)
Holy hell! 2-0 Celtic! Why do I choose to WFH yesterday rather than today? Must be bedlam in Scotland.
   30. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:29 PM (#4297295)
Announcer just said Celtic fans as loud as they've ever been. Hyperbole I'm sure but they are really loud.
   31. SuperGrover Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4297301)
Messi with an injury time goal. Surely they can hold on?
   32. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4297302)
You don't need a striker when you have the right talent and tactics, but you need center backs no matter what.

Even if they come back, point stands.
   33. Textbook Editor Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4297303)
Wow. Now I really can't wait to watch this. Hasn't Barcelona not lost a CL group game in forever?
   34. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4297304)
Van Persie ties it up for ManU. 2-1 Celtic final, wow.

Edit: looks like Chelsea with a late winner. Shakhtar deserved a point.
   35. DA Baracus Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4297306)
Whoever has called the two Celtic-Barcelona games obviously grew up rooting for Celtic.
   36. Textbook Editor Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4297308)
So... How many points does Celtic need from the last 2 games to guarantee going through?
   37. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:41 PM (#4297311)
United up on a Rooney penalty now...
   38. DA Baracus Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4297314)
EDIT: Nevermind. Read the schedule wrong.
   39. DA Baracus Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:45 PM (#4297320)
So... How many points does Celtic need from the last 2 games to guarantee going through?


Let me try this again... four points will seal it. Two points could be enough.
   40. Textbook Editor Posted: November 07, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4297326)
Let me try this again... four points will seal it. Two points could be enough.


Thanks... it looked to me like 2 might do it too. Unreal. Hats off to them.
   41. SuperGrover Posted: November 07, 2012 at 06:02 PM (#4297352)
So... How many points does Celtic need from the last 2 games to guarantee going through?


Let me try this again... four points will seal it. Two points could be enough.


If they at least draw Benfica they will be in very good shape, especially if the draw is 1-1. If they lose to Benfica, they would need to outpoint them in the final match. A draw there should be good enough unless Benfica can win at Barca.

In fact, unless Benfica can grab a point at Barca, a single draw in either of the last two games should be enough.

They are very good shape.

EDIT: assuming wiki's tie breaking criteria are correct:

Tie-breaking criteria

If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied to determine the rankings:

higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;
superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question;
higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question;
higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question;

If, after applying criteria 1) to 4) to several teams, two teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1) to 4) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the two teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 6) to 8) apply;
superior goal difference from all group matches played;
higher number of goals scored from all group matches played;
higher number of coefficient points accumulated by the club in question, as well as its association, over the previous five seasons.
   42. Mattbert Posted: November 08, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4297784)
Michael Cox wrote about the player Tottenham are missing the most these days:
There are few players with no obvious template, but Tottenham's Mousa Dembele is a unique player. Or rather, he is nowadays, in his current guise as a roaming central midfielder. As a forward, he was an identikit fast, tricky but inconsistent attacker; Holland, where Dembele moved at 18, is excellent at producing these players. As a midfielder, he's an entirely different beast, which is the odd thing about him -- in theory, he's the epitome of universality as a talented all-rounder, yet in another sense he's a gloriously distinctive individual with no obvious contemporary.
   43. Spivey Posted: November 08, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4297795)
Michael Cox wrote about the player Tottenham are missing the most these days:

Funny, I'd say that's the player Fulham is missing the most. Dembele, for all his talent, did have trouble staying on the pitch.

I'm shocked and happy that Celtic was able to play Barcelona so tough in both games, and actually win one. That's just craziness.
   44. DA Baracus Posted: November 08, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4297846)
San Jose got crushed at home. They still scored late, and by one of Wondo, Leinart or Gordon of course. Landon Donovan seems to be invigorated by the playoffs. That is obviously great.

If they at least draw Benfica they will be in very good shape, especially if the draw is 1-1. If they lose to Benfica, they would need to outpoint them in the final match. A draw there should be good enough unless Benfica can win at Barca.

In fact, unless Benfica can grab a point at Barca, a single draw in either of the last two games should be enough.


You're right. They have to not lose to Benfica and they're in, assuming Benfica and Spartak lose to Barcelona, which is a good assumption to make, especially since the Barca-Benfica game is at Camp Nou.
   45. Swedish Chef Posted: November 08, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4297940)
You're right. They have to not lose to Benfica and they're in, assuming Benfica and Spartak lose to Barcelona, which is a good assumption to make, especially since the Barca-Benfica game is at Camp Nou.

If Barcelona wins the first game they will have qualified and secured the group win (remember, this is in case Celtic doesn't win against Benfica). Who knows what kind of trash they will put on the field in the last game, I certainly wouldn't rely on them winning.
   46. DA Baracus Posted: November 08, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4298030)
Who knows what kind of trash they will put on the field in the last game, I certainly wouldn't rely on them winning.


Well they have to submit a 25 man roster for entire group stage, so even playing the weakest line up they can will still have some excellent players. They can't just send their reserve team out there. Also, we're a month away from that. There's a whole lot of ifs that will be resolved in 2 weeks.
   47. Swedish Chef Posted: November 08, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4298039)
Well they have to submit a 25 man roster for entire group stage, so even playing the weakest line up they can will still have some excellent players. They can't just send their reserve team out there. Also, we're a month away from that. There's a whole lot of ifs that will be resolved in 2 weeks.

Sure, just saying it may be early to put that in Barca's win column.
   48. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 08, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4298044)
Brilliant individual goal by Traore there. Two touches, one to turn Coates inside out with a flick over his head, the next to chip over the keeper.

EDIT: oh my god jordan henderson. just saw the highlight. everyone needs to go watch that.
   49. zack Posted: November 08, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4298286)
Whoops. SpursTF might not want to watch the last 7 minutes before the half of this game.
   50. Mattbert Posted: November 08, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4298315)
Fabrice Muamba is in the house. Emotional.
   51. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 08, 2012 at 05:14 PM (#4298340)
Defoe grabs the lead back
   52. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: November 08, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4298362)
That was a really good finish from Alexandre Lacazette.
   53. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: November 08, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4298571)
This DCU/NYRB game has been bananas for the last ten minutes. Red card for Hamid for a last man challenge. Cooper scores the PK, but he's forced to retake it for encroachment. Second PK is saved. Shortly thereafter Marquez makes a dumb challenge for his second yellow and is now off.

These two-legged playoffs are great.
   54. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 08, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4298598)
I'm thinking Rafa Marquez will not be a member of the Red Bulls next season.
   55. Textbook Editor Posted: November 08, 2012 at 11:58 PM (#4298627)
EDIT: oh my god jordan henderson. just saw the highlight. everyone needs to go watch that.


?? Link?
   56. Mattbert Posted: November 09, 2012 at 10:39 AM (#4298744)
   57. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: November 09, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4298777)
?? Link?

There was a moment when Henderson was 1v1 with the keeper from a somewhat-acute angle and chose to square a pass rather than shoot - perhaps that's it? Not quite sure what's so 'must watch' about that, other than it being a rather dumb decision by Henderson. Can't think of much else in that game of note (w/r/t Henderson), outside of a couple of shots that went awry.
   58. Mefisto Posted: November 09, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4298863)
Here's the US draw for the Hex:

Feb. 6, 2013: Honduras vs. United States

March 22, 2013: United States vs. Costa Rica

March 26, 2013: Mexico vs. United States

June 7, 2013: Jamaica vs. United States

June 11, 2013: United States vs. Panama

June 18, 2013: United States vs. Honduras

Sept. 6, 2013: Costa Rica vs. United States

Sept. 10, 2013: United States vs. Mexico

Oct. 11, 2013: United States vs. Jamaica

Oct. 15, 2013: Panama vs. United States
   59. DA Baracus Posted: November 09, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4298887)
The way they've played under Klinsmann, I am very nervous. 3 total points on the road might be asking too much.
   60. Spivey Posted: November 09, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4298895)
If the US can't qualify Klinsmann needs to be let go. 3 road point in 6 matches would be unacceptable, we should be the favorites in 5 out of 6 of those games.
   61. Mefisto Posted: November 09, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4298911)
Eh, I don't know about favorites against CR or Honduras on the road. Draw, yes. And absolutely we should get victories against Jamaica and Panama, even on the road. But the basic point is that we don't need to beat Mexico, or even draw, in order to advance.
   62. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: November 09, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4298955)
Anyone know when venues for the Hexagonal are announced?
   63. DA Baracus Posted: November 09, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4298973)
If the US can't qualify Klinsmann needs to be let go.


There's no way he stays if they don't. Gulati needs to go too, but he can only be voted out in 2014.

And absolutely we should get victories against Jamaica and Panama, even on the road.


Agreed, but we haven't.
   64. DA Baracus Posted: November 09, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4298999)
Timothy Chandler is on the US roster for the Russia friendly. Make up your ####### mind Timmy.
   65. I am going to be Frank Posted: November 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4299510)
Berbatov is such a joy to watch.
   66. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 10, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4299511)
Great fun for the neutral at the Emirates, this game's got more goals in it, too.
   67. DA Baracus Posted: November 10, 2012 at 11:50 AM (#4299512)
I changed games at 2-0. I will be changing back.
   68. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4299521)
Berb-erotica, that was.
   69. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4299523)
Brace for Berbatov.

Shambles at the back for Arsenal.
   70. DA Baracus Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4299524)
Jurgen Klinsmann in attendance at Everton-Sunderland for some reason.
   71. DA Baracus Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4299525)
Arsenal are the best mediocre team in the world.

And right on cue they tie it up. A brace of braces!
   72. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4299526)
Well, that was an entertaining 5 seconds!
   73. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM (#4299527)
I still can't get over just how much Giroud looks like James Roday.
   74. DA Baracus Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4299528)
He looks like Adam Levine.
   75. DA Baracus Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM (#4299529)
Two goals in three minutes for Everton.
   76. JuanGone..except1game Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4299530)
Had to log on for that magnificent Fellaini performance. I feel like I'm cheating on my wife, but he is definitely my favorite Sideshow Bob in the Prem. (Sorry Luiz)
   77. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4299531)
Fulham-Arsenal has been really entertaining.
   78. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4299533)
Bad call. I really hope this doesn't decide it.

...good. Plus that should guarantee three bonus points for Berb in fantasy.
   79. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4299534)
That penalty save was justice since the penalty call was ####### terrible.
   80. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4299535)
Well, that was a blast!
   81. DA Baracus Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4299537)
WOW. What a finish at Arsenal.
   82. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4299542)
So is QPR just never going to fire Hughes? Is the theory that they're going down anyway, so why waste the money on a new manager?
   83. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: November 10, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4299611)
I really, really hate Javier Hernandez. He's definitely on the shortlist of "players I hate the most".
   84. Swedish Chef Posted: November 10, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4299619)
glurg
   85. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 10, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4299620)
How many games a year do United win that you say "I can't believe they won that game!" It must be at least a dozen per season.

EDIT: Per BBC, this is the third time in the last two years United has come back from 2 goals down to win.
   86. nick swisher hygiene Posted: November 10, 2012 at 05:05 PM (#4299669)
indeed!

has there been a team in the history of major sport in my lifetime (let's say, since 1970) so good at getting outplayed and winning as the recent edition of Man United?
   87. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 10, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4299674)
Chelsea in last year's Champions League?
   88. puck Posted: November 11, 2012 at 02:49 AM (#4299942)
Had to log on for that magnificent Fellaini performance. I feel like I'm cheating on my wife, but he is definitely my favorite Sideshow Bob in the Prem. (Sorry Luiz)

His transformation from a hacktastic but effective d-mid to a target man has been remarkable.
   89. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 11, 2012 at 09:29 AM (#4299966)
-Sandro fit for Spurs-City, so there might actually be a game worth watching. Might.

-Kolarov is starting as an attacking wing? Isn't he a defender?
   90. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams Posted: November 11, 2012 at 10:19 AM (#4299973)
Has Dempsey been this useless all year? I confess I don't think I've seen any of his league starts.

Adebayor's been great, though.
   91. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 11, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4299976)
Has Dempsey been this useless all year?
Short answer, yes

Long answer, yes, but Sigurdsson has been mostly useless in the CAM position too, so it might in part be a tactical problem. But Dempsey's been legitimately bad sometimes - his only contribution today was giving away possession leading to what should have been the City equalizer.
   92. I am going to be Frank Posted: November 11, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4299982)
I had totally forgot Maicon was on City. How effective has the 3-man defense been for City this year. Not sure how having 5 defenders makes City more offensive.
   93. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4299983)
And the standard shambolic defending allows Aguero to tie the game.
   94. Textbook Editor Posted: November 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4299984)
What the hell was Caulker doing for that goal. Had the ball at his feet at the 18 yard mark and just... Kinda kicked lazily. Awful.
   95. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4299985)
What the hell was Caulker doing for that goal. Had the ball at his feet at the 18 yard mark and just... Kinda kicked lazily. Awful.

I think it was a back pass that Toure deflected to Aguero.
   96. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:10 AM (#4299986)
The last couple minutes really have been shambolic by Spurs. I hate to say it but City deserve a second. Ugh.
   97. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4299987)
I guess Dzeko has some kind of clause in his contract for scoring late goals to save City
   98. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4299988)
Wow. Not a damn thing you can do about that.
   99. Textbook Editor Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4299991)
Crap crap
   100. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams Posted: November 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4299992)
Wow. Not a damn thing you can do about that.
Yeah. What a beautiful goal.
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