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OT: The Soccer Thread: November 2012

Yeah, yeah, it’s late.

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 03, 2012 at 07:10 PM | 370 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. Mefisto Posted: November 30, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4313224)
Flip.
   302. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: November 30, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4313227)
Sexy Football Managers Calendar

Hilarious.


They were talking about that on the Guardian's podcast earlier in the week. I'm glad to finally see it because it really is as disturbing as they were describing.
   303. JuanGone..except1game Posted: November 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM (#4313269)
Speaking of spectacular attacking play, how about this hit from Juan Arango for Gladbach?


That was spectacular, but the Van Basten volley is still to me the gold standard.
   304. PepTech Posted: November 30, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4313545)
Say what you will about MLS, but this was a pretty nice goal, too.
   305. ursus arctos Posted: November 30, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4313546)
Something I did not know.

L'Equipe is streaming matches from le National (3d tier).

Metz - Paris FC about to start.
   306. puck Posted: November 30, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4313871)
It's incredibly frustrating how difficult it is to get useful stats. I feel like football stats / fantasy football stats are pretty much trapped in 1987 right now, where the best we've got is the USA weekly league stat updates.

It's maybe like 1980 or something. No splits, not even like the rudimentary ones from the Abstracts.

Maybe the stats exist somewhere, but I find it hard even to find how many goals come from free kicks or corner kicks.

May I ask where did you purchase your stats from, and is there much assembly required?

Very interesting post. Thanks for posting it.
   307. SuperGrover Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:50 AM (#4313901)
It's maybe like 1980 or something. No splits, not even like the rudimentary ones from the Abstracts.

Maybe the stats exist somewhere, but I find it hard even to find how many goals come from free kicks or corner kicks.

May I ask where did you purchase your stats from, and is there much assembly required?

Very interesting post. Thanks for posting it.


I am currently getting my data from Fantasy Scout. They are basically selling a subset of Opta's stats for a yearly subscription of $20. Considering Opta wants $6,000 (I asked) that's a pretty good deal. Unfortunately, you don't get as many data points as you'd like.

There is an absolute ton of assembly required. Luckily I have a development background. No idea how someone could manage hard core analysis by hand.
   308. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 01, 2012 at 10:32 AM (#4313986)
West Ham just completely dominated Chelsea in the second half. I didn't see the first half, but the second half goals were well deserved.
   309. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4313987)
Great job by Meatloaf at half-time.

What a fun game.
   310. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 01, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4313988)
They were completely dominated in the first half. Chelsea should have put it out of reach in the first 30 minutes. Jeskalainen had a great save on Mata.

I feel for Rafa but its a bit like Bobby Valentine, there is no benefit to keeping him around.
   311. Swedish Chef Posted: December 01, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4313990)
They should just sack Rafa now. It's not like they can lose any reputation by yet another firing. And it would be cheaper than their usual firings!
   312. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4313996)
What's particularly weird about Rafa and Chelsea is his refusal to play Hazard-Oscar-Mata behind the striker. Their best run of form in the league came with all three starting (took 12 points out of 15 from STK, ars, NOR, tot, MUN), and today Rafa wouldn't even attempt going to three #10s with a draw at 70 minutes. Instead he pulled Hazard for Oscar.

I've heard people say that Chelsea's first 11 are getting tired, and they need to rotate more. Which is fair, especially with a must-win Champions League game Tues, but still doesn't explain the subs today.
   313. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4313998)
May I ask where did you purchase your stats from, and is there much assembly required?
I am getting them from Fantasy Football Scout. What I did took very little assembly - you can make custom tables with the subset of Opta stats they make available, and then I just copied the tables into Excel and did some very simple stuff with their statistical package. It looks like FFS does publish a wider array of stats, but they're not all available in the table-making utility - a lot of them are only published with the individual game summaries. (Is that what you've done to get your stats, Grover, spidering the data off the site?) To do better analysis - like what Grover and co are doing at Shots on Target - would require both a better data set and more skills than I have.
   314. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4314021)
Oh crap. Bale's hamstring again.
   315. JuanGone..except1game Posted: December 01, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4314027)
What's particularly weird about Rafa and Chelsea is his refusal to play Hazard-Oscar-Mata behind the striker. Their best run of form in the league came with all three starting (took 12 points out of 15 from STK, ars, NOR, tot, MUN), and today Rafa wouldn't even attempt going to three #10s with a draw at 70 minutes. Instead he pulled Hazard for Oscar.


Ugh. That 2nd half was just woeful. As you said, the Hazard substitution made absolutely no sense unless you just wanted to do something different than RDM. These season is turning into a dumpster fire. My one fault with RDM was his lack of rotation when the season was going good, but now you have to stop the bleeding. Not trying our best lineup was just dumb.

Have to say that West Ham is near the top of my list for the next time I get to London. I'd probably have to buy a West Ham jersey and wear it just to get out of there alive, but the crowd was fantastic during that match.
   316. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4314040)
Other than the Bale injury, fantastic day for Spurs.
   317. I am going to be Frank Posted: December 01, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4314068)
United is down 3-2 25 minutes in. Can't deal with crosses. Once the other teams figure out that United doesn't have Mystique and Aura United is going to lose a lot more matches.
   318. zack Posted: December 01, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4314072)
Quick, guess the Man U - Reading score after 30 minutes without looking.

Edit: nevermind.
   319. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4314077)
This is an awful game. The inability of both sides to defend at all is actually painful. Switching to Bayern-Dortmund.
   320. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 03:12 PM (#4314094)
I was only half-awake when I checked the Hammers score and I genuinely could not understand it.
   321. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: December 01, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4314099)

Damn, Roman Weidenfeller stood on his ####### head to preserve that tie for Dortmund. 3 absolutely amazing saves in the last 15 minutes of the game.

Why didn't this Dortmund team show up against Dusseldorf at home on Tuesday?
   322. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 01, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4314110)
I was only half-awake when I checked the Hammers score and I genuinely could not understand it.
And the man most responsible for that score: Carlton Cole.
   323. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4314116)
And the man most responsible for that score: Carlton Cole.
It was particularly confusing because I was reading the (perpetually awful) "Lawro's Picks" section on BBC, so it look like this

West Ham 3-1 Chelsea
West Ham 1-2 Chelsea

It just seemed so crazy that West Ham had won 3-1, I thought he must have picked them to win 3-1, which was even more insane. It was only after I looked and realized that only the actual scores were bolded--while the predictions were not--that I realized what happened.
   324. Swedish Chef Posted: December 01, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4314122)
Is United going to make a point of winning the league while falling behind in every single ####### game or what? I don't know what the hell Sir Alex sold in his deal with the devil, if it was only his soul it was a bargain. My guess is that Alex hung on to his soul, it's probably so black that Satan doesn't dare touch it, and instead got all the luck in the world in exchange for the talent of a succession of midfielders starting with Juan Sebastian Veron.
   325. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 01, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4314165)
Donovan with a dreadful miss 12 minutes in. That's Conradian frankly.
   326. Mattbert Posted: December 01, 2012 at 06:58 PM (#4314182)
Thoughts on Fulham-Tottenham from the Spurs perspective...

Positves: Extremely solid defensively (and a clean sheet). Really good game from Dempsey, possibly his best over the full 90 so far. Encouraging performance from Sigurdsson (how nice to have someone who gets his head up in that position in the box). Naughton quietly effective in relief of Walker (not as much attacking threat, but very tidy defensively).

Negatives: Game had 0-0 written all over it until Schwarzer somehow let Sandro's shot get past him. That forced Fulham to come out a bit, which played right into Spurs' hands of course. I remain concerned about Tottenham's ability (or lack thereof) to play through an organized team defending with eight or nine behind the ball. Not enough touches for Lennon. Little width from fullbacks (understandable with Walker and Benny not playing, though).

If it had been Man United playing instead of Spurs, this would be getting praised up and down as a typical "professional performance" from a championship-caliber team. Rarely trouble defensively, controlled the tempo, created just enough chances to win and finished them ruthlessly when they came. Plus a smidge of luck.

Man, do I wish we'd signed Berba. Dude is a ####### wizard.
   327. Mattbert Posted: December 01, 2012 at 07:20 PM (#4314192)
Ridiculous decision to disallow what would have been LA's second goal.
   328. Mattbert Posted: December 01, 2012 at 07:22 PM (#4314194)
Lando tucks away a spot kick to take the lead.
   329. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 01, 2012 at 07:38 PM (#4314200)
I hate the way refs call ticky tack fouls in the box against the attacking team but let defenders get away with murder. I get letting them play and not giving unnecessary PKs but let the attackers bang a big too.
   330. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: December 01, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4314205)
Robbie Keane was pretty excellent today.
   331. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4314215)
I'm pretty surprised they didn't let Becks take the last PK, up 2-1 in that spot.
   332. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 01, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4314220)
I'm pretty surprised they didn't let Becks take the last PK, up 2-1 in that spot.


I had the same thought at the time. Looking back I think it makes some sense. Donovan is an important figure to US soccer and MLS in his own right. Also, it might be considered "showing up" Houston to effectively say "the goal doesn't matter, we are already celebrating" in a one goal game and I think that matters more in soccer than it would in other sports.
   333. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 01, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4314236)
I had the same thought at the time. Looking back I think it makes some sense. Donovan is an important figure to US soccer and MLS in his own right.
But Keane took the second PK, Donovan took the first. I think your second point might be the good one.
   334. Textbook Editor Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:20 AM (#4314365)
I'm pretty surprised they didn't let Becks take the last PK, up 2-1 in that spot.


Does he normally take PKs these days?

I love Keane, and have ever since the 2002 WC, but my biggest fear is that he'll be leading the Ireland charge for the Euro 2016 campaign...
   335. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:08 AM (#4314391)
Positves: Extremely solid defensively (and a clean sheet). Really good game from Dempsey, possibly his best over the full 90 so far.
Yup. I think it's really striking how solid this side is defensively with both Sandro and Dembele in central midfield. Spurs are now 6-0-0 with Dembele starting, they've allowed 0.8 goals per game with Dembele and 2.0 goals per game without him. (The underlying stats aren't quite as stark - 3.3 / 4.3 shots on target with and without Dembele, 10.5 and 11.5 shots in box).

Also agreed on Dempsey. It seemed to me that he really came to life after Bale's injury - suddenly he was everywhere, demanding the ball, leading the team. I really hope Bale is only out for a week or two, because he's easily the best player on the club, but a game or two without him might help Dempsey and Sigurdsson get their seasons going.
   336. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:37 AM (#4314453)
I'm back weirdos! Who else is watching this Franchise vs. AFC Wimbledon grudge match?
   337. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4314466)
WIMBLEDON!!!!!!!
   338. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 09:47 AM (#4314467)
Wimbledon fans embarassing themselves, unfortunately. Get back in your seats, fellas.
   339. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 09:53 AM (#4314469)
How badly do you think MK wants to avoid a replay?
   340. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4314473)
Huw Johnson. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

edit: Really, best name in world football? Yes it is.
   341. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4314474)
I just love that the Wimbledon kit sponsor is Football Manager.
   342. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:16 AM (#4314479)
Welcome back Shooty!

I do love the FA Cup.
   343. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4314481)
OHHH. You've got to put that away. Dammit.

Thanks Jose!
   344. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4314483)
Ridiculous. Just ridiculous. The evidence against the existence of a benevolent God is just mounting.
   345. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4314484)
Oh what a beautiful little flick. Heartbreaking for Wimbledon.
   346. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:22 AM (#4314486)
Huw Johnson flaccid in Milton Keynes.


(sorry)
   347. Mattbert Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:38 AM (#4314490)
In honor of Shooty's triumphant return, SANDRO SINGS!

I swear, if Sandro was inspired by this Jeff Tweedy performance then he wins all the awesome.
   348. Richard Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4314493)
Evil beats good in the MK game. Damn it.
   349. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4314497)
In honor of Shooty's triumphant return, SANDRO SINGS!

Oof. He's got terrible taste in music!

Catching up on the tables...Chris Hughton's Norwich is higher than Newcastle. That's kind of fun. Spurs are joint third though it would appear the path to that lofty position was tougher than it would appear. Rafa Benitez, eh? It must have been very depressing for Abramovich to realize that was the best guy available. It's like going to a bar and finding out the most interesting beer they have on tap is Bass. Good to see 'Arry back, but I don't know what he's going to do with that team. I do enjoy the coincidence of Harry and Taraabt together again and am enjoying the rumors of a possible reuniting with Darren Bent. Surely QPR can buy David Bentley and the player that hit Harry in the head with a ball during that famous interview, too? PSG are fourth in France. Awesome. West Brom and Swansea are challenging for a Champions League spot, Arsenal and Chelsea are in crisis, Torino is safe, Freiburg is challenging for a Europa spot and Partick Thistle continue to top the table in Scotland Division one. Everything is well set up for a fun month of soccer-ball now that I have time to enjoy it again. I poke fun at Arsenal and Chelsea but I get really weary of all the moaning that happens when these clubs have a rough spell of games. The other clubs want to win, too, and they also employ trained professionals. And finally, to finish my Larry King rambling post, I'm looking forward to finishing the biography of Clough by Jonathan Wilson I picked up in London. That is one giant doorstop of a book. I put it down with Clough just having taken the job at Brighton and am dying to find out how that works out! What would be the equivalent today of Clough getting the sack at Derby and getting hired by Brighton? Roberto Mancini signing on to manage Crawley Town?
   350. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4314502)
FA Cup draw.

Spurs get Coventry City again. West Ham v Man U appears to be the best game along with Swansea and Arsenal, a game Arsene probably doesn't fancy...
   351. Swedish Chef Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4314503)
What would be the equivalent today of Clough getting the sack at Derby and getting hired by Brighton? Roberto Mancini signing on to manage Crawley Town?

Surely you don't need to look further than Sven-Göran's career arc for an example.
   352. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4314504)
Arsenal and Chelsea are in crisis

Chelsea's crisis has been more high-profile, but at least they're still in 3rd. Arsenal are in 10th at the moment (although only 5 points off a Champions League place).
   353. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:08 AM (#4314506)
Chelsea's crisis has been more high-profile, but at least they're still in 3rd. Arsenal are in 10th at the moment (although only 5 points off a Champions League place).

I don't actually think either club is in crisis. Most likely they'll both be top 4 at the end of the season. I think it's silly how if things aren't easy for these clubs the media and their fans panic. It's not supposed to be easy!
   354. JuanGone..except1game Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:13 PM (#4314561)
I don't actually think either club is in crisis. Most likely they'll both be top 4 at the end of the season. I think it's silly how if things aren't easy for these clubs the media and their fans panic. It's not supposed to be easy!


That was our issue with the RDM firing. Not a person came into this season thinking that Chelsea was poised to run away with the league. We had great early success, but our squad has structural issues (no reliable CF, depth in MF) that were going to expose us at some point. Roman's panic move has made us look desperate, when we were simply reverting back to the mean a bit. We will likely still salvage a CL spot when we actually have some CF (Lukaku, Falcoa, etc) and MF (McEacheran) depth in the January window, but our team isn't ready for veteran ManU & City clubs yet. It was never going to be as easy when Mata, Hazard and Ocar were devouring Prem team early on.
   355. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:22 PM (#4314564)
I don't know what Martin O'Neill said at the half, but Sunderland look a different team right now after looking like #### in the first half.
   356. Mattbert Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4314570)
I don't know what Martin O'Neill said at the half, but Sunderland look a different team right now after looking like #### in the first half.

I was just about to say the same thing. Kilgallon with a Miss of the Season contender too. Should be level.
   357. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4314571)
I was just about to say the same thing. Kilgallon with a Miss of the Season contender too. Should be level.

I liked how after the shot came off the post and then Kilgallon inexplicably missed the sitter, Bassong thought it appropriate to give the prone keeper a high five. Good job Keep!
   358. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4314572)
So, if Millwall and Crystal Palace get promoted and QPR miraculously stays up, will that be a record # of London clubs in the top flight?
   359. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:35 PM (#4314574)
Danny Rose trying to recreate his winner against Arsenal.
   360. Mattbert Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:35 PM (#4314575)
Danny Rose should patent that volley.
   361. Mattbert Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4314589)
I really like the two little No. 10s in this game. Hoolahan and Sessegnon are a lot of fun to watch, and both must be about 5'3".
   362. Mattbert Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4314666)
More evidence that AVB is a terrible man manager and Spurs are in crisis:

Harry brought me over, so I’m going to appreciate him. Of course I was sad to see him leave but to me it wasn’t very strange, that’s what I’m used to.

With Harry, I didn’t speak much because of the language barrier. But with Andre it is totally different. You can see when we are on the pitch I go to the bench to talk to him. I like to give my opinion.

I am always aware what is going on during the game. I can see gaps here or somebody’s doing something wrong there, so now I feel more confident. I want to be involved. My English is improving so I can be more vocal, tell the players off.

--Sandro

Okay, but that's obviously just on account of the Portuguese connection.

Away from football, as a person, he is a top guy, a really nice guy. After every session he will come into the changing room or treatment room and go to every player to see if you are OK. 'How do you feel? How's your legs?' General chit chat. He will do it with every player, every day. Even when I was away with England he will send me a message sometimes – 'Good luck. How's the game?' Stuff like that. When you have got a manager like that you want to play for him and do well.

In pre-season obviously there was a lot of speculation about me and whether I was going to stay or leave, and I had a meeting with him and he said: 'I want you to stay. Last season you should have played a lot more than you did. I was watching the games, the goals you scored. A player of your quality, I need you at the club.' For me that was such a big thing.

It's always difficult for a manager coming into such a big club. Obviously it's difficult for André because he was at Chelsea and things weren't great there. He's come to Tottenham and everybody's looking at him. Even before the season started a lot of people were doubting him, which was harsh. You've got to give everybody an opportunity. What he has done so far has been brilliant. All the lads love him. He's got great ideas. He's really organised.

--Jermain Defoe
   363. Spivey Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4314685)
Tottenham has a really likable group of players and AVB seems likable as well. Chelsea has a rotten core of players and I truthfully feel they cannot win the league without a significant overhaul of their team. I think leaving Chelsea for Tottenham will ultimately go down as a blessing in disguise.
   364. Spivey Posted: December 02, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4314687)
Also, I'm quite annoyed that Dembele isn't still at Fulham. I guess it's a nice silver lining that a team like Fulham even got to have a player like that for a few years. But he's up their with Schweinsteiger, IMO, as one of the best box to box players in the world.
   365. Mattbert Posted: December 02, 2012 at 05:19 PM (#4314694)
Yeah, I'm starting to realize that I massively underrated Dembele when he was at Fulham even though I saw him score an excellent solo goal* in person during their demolition of Spurs in the FA Cup a couple years ago. I hope AVB does eventually shape the Tottenham squad into one capable of playing 4-3-3 so Dembele can get the ball in more advanced positions a little more often. He's so dangerous in that area from about 30 yards out up to the edge of the box, but the way Spurs are set up now he tends to receive the ball deeper for the most part.

* Last one in this painful highlight reel. Watch him cruise past Seb Bassong like he's not even there.
   366. Mattbert Posted: December 02, 2012 at 06:50 PM (#4314722)
Spurs get Coventry City again. West Ham v Man U appears to be the best game along with Swansea and Arsenal, a game Arsene probably doesn't fancy...

Southampton v Chelsea is potentially interesting too, insofar as there's the prospect Rafa will get canned if they don't win (assuming he makes it that far).

What was the saying? He won't be drinking the eggnog?
   367. nick swisher hygiene Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:05 PM (#4314728)
Gotta love Barney Ronay in full flight:

"Sepp Blatter, trembling as ever with magisterial condescension, a man who with each passing year increasingly resembles the World Cup itself: gleaming, burnished, perfectly rounded, palms raised in a cartoon of glazed and perma-tanned personal wonderfulness..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/nov/30/ballon-dor-ronaldo-messi
   368. ursus arctos Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4314747)
So, if Millwall and Crystal Palace get promoted and QPR miraculously stays up, will that be a record # of London clubs in the top flight?


There were seven London clubs in the old First Division in 88-89, the last time Millwall were up (Arsenal, Spurs, QPR, Millwall, Wimbledon, Charlton and West Ham). In the next season, there were eight, as West Ham went down, but Chelsea and Crystal Palace both came up. Millwall and Palace both went down in 89-90, and I don't think the high water mark was ever reached again.
   369. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4314756)
God, I hope Milwall doesn't get promoted. It's looking pretty decent--KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK on wood--for the Hammers to stay up, so having to put up with this foolishness again is utterly unappealing.
   370. Mattbert Posted: December 03, 2012 at 09:43 AM (#4315030)
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