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Monday, October 01, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: October

Kinsale’s: October 27!

Arsenal v. QPR
Wigan v. West Ham

And other exciting action*

Be there!

*But not United-Chelsea or the Spurs game, both of which were moved. Boo!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 01, 2012 at 04:22 AM | 654 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. SuperGrover Posted: October 16, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4272786)
FYI for those in Chicago...Fox Soccer HD just showed up on channel 337. It wasn't there last night.

No notification or anything. I only realized it when I saw the "Watch in HD" button on 401.
   302. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 16, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4272796)
FYI for those in Chicago...Fox Soccer HD just showed up on channel 337. It wasn't there last night.

No notification or anything. I only realized it when I saw the "Watch in HD" button on 401.


Sweet Jesus finally. Only took Comcast two (plus) years. Any chance they've also added FSC+, even if only in SD?

That's great news, though. I don't need to tell anyone here, but I can't go overboard in describing the difference in watching anything in HD versus SD.
   303. SuperGrover Posted: October 16, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4272802)
^ Agreed. Have been waiting on the North American EPL broadcasting rights decision before deciding to move to UVerse. This will at least make things somewhat bearable for now.

I don't see FSOC Plus anywhere, but everything I had read indicated they weren't planning on adding FSOC HD, so maybe something will show up. I would certainly add it for an extra $5 / month.
   304. DA Baracus Posted: October 16, 2012 at 06:24 PM (#4272870)
Bocanegra slides to CB, Parkhurst at LB but other than that it's the same line up as Friday, which means Eddie Johnsonnlisted as the LM.
   305. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4272933)
Are you ####### kidding me? Are you serious?
   306. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4272937)
holy balls.
   307. DA Baracus Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:20 PM (#4272938)
I ####### hate Carlos Ruiz. Such a piece of #### player.
   308. frannyzoo Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:20 PM (#4272939)
"A calamitous start." I am so very happy.
   309. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:23 PM (#4272942)
What the ####? Can someone just slap the living #### out of the back four and tell them to get there heads out of their asses?
   310. frannyzoo Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4272944)
Oh well..happiness is always fleeting.
   311. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4272945)
YEAH!
   312. DA Baracus Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4272946)
Whew.

4-1-3-2 personnel. JK puts them in a 4-2-3-1 turning into a 4-2-2-2. Awful coaching.
   313. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4272948)
I was mid-rant about the foolishness that a guy who is unsigned scores against us while the top scorer in a solid European league isn't even in the squad for us.
   314. DA Baracus Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:28 PM (#4272951)
That's a worthy rant, except Ruiz has a club.
   315. madvillain Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4272958)
I didn't really want to go to Brazil anyways.
   316. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4272959)
Klinsy is a genius!!!!
   317. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4272960)
WOO!

That makes me feel a lot better.
   318. DA Baracus Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4272961)
Holy crap, they've scored more than one goal!
   319. madvillain Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4272963)
WOW! Multiple goals in one game!
   320. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4272964)
If y'all could forget I said I expected a defensive game this afternoon I'd be grateful.
   321. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4272965)
Slow witted is absolutely the right description of the back four.
   322. DA Baracus Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4272976)
And that is why Bradley should not be playing deep.
   323. DA Baracus Posted: October 16, 2012 at 07:54 PM (#4272979)
Jose Contreras, Carlos Ruiz... How many former Phillies are on Guatemala?
   324. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:01 PM (#4272982)
Jose Contreras, Carlos Ruiz... How many former Phillies are on Guatemala?

Aside from those two, just Calvin Maduro at left wingback and Darren Daulton in goal.
   325. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4272989)
Love the cheeky chip by Bradley. How Pirlo of him.
   326. PepTech Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4272999)
So as it stands now, Jamaica unseats Guatemala, correct?
   327. DA Baracus Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4273002)
Correct. Jamaica is more deserving anyway.
   328. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4273007)
youch. matt holliday would have been proud of that tackle.
   329. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4273028)
Like the way we have played the first fifteen of the second half. No sitting back and waiting like the Jamaica game.
   330. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 16, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4273077)
Hee. Dempsey still has a lot to learn from Bale. Poor job selling that one.
   331. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 16, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4273079)
Could've done without the drama but as Darke just said, job done.

Need to tighten up the defense still and Klinsmann and Altidore need to sit down and figure out what it's going to take to get him in the squad regularly.

Silly yellow for Dempsey, hope that doesn't hurt down the road. Why dive with 90 seconds left and a 3-1 lead?
   332. puck Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM (#4273674)
That's a worthy rant, except Ruiz has a club.

What's his club?
   333. Mattbert Posted: October 17, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4274215)
Canadian reaction to yesterday's result in Honduras.
   334. DA Baracus Posted: October 17, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4274238)
What's his club?


Unless he was recently released, Veracruz in Mexico.
   335. puck Posted: October 17, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4274264)
I don't believe Ruiz ever signed for the Apertura season.
   336. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 17, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4274279)
So doing some digging and it looks like Veracruz is in a bit of a weird situation. Most of this comes from Wikipedia but it appears that Veracruz was "disaffiliated" by the FMF for failure to pay players last year. However, there is a "Veracruz" listed as competing in the current season at the second level of Mexican soccer. At this point I'm not sure about anything but it seems like an interesting situation.
   337. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 17, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4274284)
That's a worthy rant, except Ruiz has a club.


Translation: According to Wikipedia, he plays for Veracruz.

What's his club?


Translation: I am aware that Wikipedia is inaccurate and he doesn't play for Veracruz, but I'm not going to tell you how I know that.
   338. DA Baracus Posted: October 17, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4274333)
Translation: I am aware that Wikipedia is inaccurate and he doesn't play for Veracruz, but I'm not going to tell you how I know that.


I remembered him being somewhere in Mexico, I only used Wikipedia to see what club. I'm wrong, I'll own it. In fact I enjoy it on this topic, since I can't stand Ruiz, so seeing that dirtbag out of a job is enjoyable.
   339. ursus arctos Posted: October 17, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4274354)
He's not listed on Veracruz's website as being part of their roster for the current season. Nor is he listed on ESPN Deportes version of the Ascenso rosters.

ESPN Deportes is suggesting that Veracruz is trying to take over a first division team for next season, or, alternatively, get serious new investment from a major Mexican firm.
   340. ursus arctos Posted: October 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4276526)
   341. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 19, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4276620)
Wow that is some crazy hair.
   342. puck Posted: October 19, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4277181)
Leeds fan runs out on field to assault Sheffield Wednesday's keeper. I think that guy and the other fans who ran on the pitch came out of the Leppings Lane stand (or what replaced that stand).
   343. puck Posted: October 19, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4277198)
Just in case anyone doubted that Javier Zanetti is in fact the Argentine Dorian Gray.

Pretty amazing.

Good to see Claudio Lopez. He ended his career as a little-used sub for the Colorado Rapids. He couldn't run anymore but you could see he was the only guy on the field (for the Rapids) who knew where the ball was supposed to go. He did have a big moment by hitting a penalty to help win a playoff game.

The youth picture of Esteban Cambiasso is hilarious. As is Mark Van Bommel's (#1 pic on this page).
   344. Richard Posted: October 19, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4277253)
Yes, that was the Leppings Lane end. Not just an animal, an animal with no sense of history.

Warnock reminds us all why he is widely disliked by accusing Kirkland of going down too easily when hit by the Leeds fan...
   345. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 20, 2012 at 07:47 AM (#4277293)
Bale and Dembele both out. I went from cautiously optimistic to totally giving up in five seconds after reading the team sheets.
   346. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 20, 2012 at 07:59 AM (#4277295)
Macca said basically the same thing in the intro, it was pretty funny. There is a bluntness from soccer announcers that I don't think we typically get in other sports.
   347. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 20, 2012 at 08:03 AM (#4277297)
Terrible header from Gallas.
   348. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 20, 2012 at 08:03 AM (#4277298)
What an awful header by GAllas and a great hit by Cahill.
   349. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 20, 2012 at 08:59 AM (#4277305)
What the hell did AVB say in the halftime talk? Whatever it was its worked so far.
   350. JuanGone..except1game Posted: October 20, 2012 at 08:59 AM (#4277306)
What the F? Just awful defending by Chelsea there. That Gallas handball goal has rattled us.
   351. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:10 AM (#4277308)
Wheee, another shitty clearance from Gallas!
   352. JuanGone..except1game Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:13 AM (#4277309)
YEESSSS! Mata making up for a terrible Torres non-shot.
   353. JuanGone..except1game Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:14 AM (#4277310)
Gallas again. He is playing an awful central defense but a decent forward.
   354. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:16 AM (#4277311)
Poor Shooty, I don't think he's enjoying this.
   355. JuanGone..except1game Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4277312)
Adebayor in for Dempsey who has been a bit invisible today.
   356. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:34 AM (#4277313)
The hell was Walker doing there
   357. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:36 AM (#4277314)
Wow.

An assassin AND a thief?

Mata's lethal.
   358. JuanGone..except1game Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4277315)
Very good form by Chelsea. A bit sloppy in defense with Terry's absence but the attack made up for it. After some early fatigue, Mata is again playing like last year. The chemistry between him, Oscar and Hazard will always give Chelsea a chance when down.
   359. Mattbert Posted: October 20, 2012 at 09:56 AM (#4277318)
Bale and Dembele were sorely missed, but that doesn't change the fact that Tottenham's tendency to tuck their balls between their legs and sit far, far too deep when they take the lead remains a problem that needs to be sorted out.

Gallas has shown this season that he can bounce back from a poor game. That's the good news. The bad news is that he's been pretty awful in about 20-30% of the games he's played. For a guy who's in there for his leadership and experience, he made entirely too many rookie mistakes today. Love the passion, but that's just not nearly good enough.

Walker needs a benching. Comes off as a smart kid in interviews, but he is playing some unspeakably stupid football this year. And unlike Gallas, he's not shown any ability to come back and play better the next time. As soon as Naughton's fit again, Walker needs a time out.
   360. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 20, 2012 at 10:02 AM (#4277321)
-Chelsea are very good, and Mazacar would be absolutely fabulous to watch play together if I didn't hate Chelsea with an unexpected passion.

-I would have really liked to see what the matchup of Chelsea's front three with Tottenham's midfield triangle would have looked like with Dembele bossing midfield. Huddlestone and Sandro just aren't strong enough on the ball to compete with Chelsea's attacking mids. The midfield battle was the game, and it was pretty much all Chelsea.

-Another whine - given that all of Spurs best moments came from Lennon down the wing, I can't help but think that with Bale running the other wing, they could have really made things difficult for the Chelsea fullbacks.

-It's not that Friedel was the problem for Spurs, but that's got to be the end of his run in goal during big games. Lloris is obviously better.
   361. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4277323)
Bale and Dembele were sorely missed, but that doesn't change the fact that Tottenham's tendency to tuck their balls between their legs and sit far, far too deep when they take the lead remains a problem that needs to be sorted out.
I agree in general, but it looked like today Chelsea just steamrolled them after the burst in the first ten minutes of the second half. Huddlestone was out of gas, and without him Spurs had no defense for Mata/Hazard/Oscar.
Walker needs a benching. Comes off as a smart kid in interviews, but he is playing some unspeakably stupid football this year.
All kinds of this.
   362. Swedish Chef Posted: October 20, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4277332)
Both Manchester teams digging themselves into a hole, own goal and red card respectively.

And then Rooney equalized....
   363. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2012 at 10:32 AM (#4277334)
Lovely combo from Suarez and Sterling to put the Reds up 1-0.
   364. Mattbert Posted: October 20, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4277336)
Agree with your assessment, MCOA. My criticism of the defense was too simplistic. Thinking about it some more, I think a large part of the problem was that they ended up too flat. Sandro and Thud were expecting the back line to start dropping back, but they weren't doing that as a unit. It seemed that not everyone in the back four got the message, so you had mainly Caulker and Vertonghen stepping up, Gallas playing Chelsea on, and Walker watching midfielders run past him. All while the two holders for Spurs were getting too close to the center backs and not putting enough pressure on ball.

I'd like to watch it again to confirm these first impressions if I have the stomach for it later. But it seemed a strikingly incoherent defensive effort, which is a bummer after they'd looked to have made some progress with that. Where was RB to alert everyone to where the line was supposed to be?
   365. Swedish Chef Posted: October 20, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4277337)
So why don't they just mercy rule the Bundesliga season and crown Bayern champions already?
   366. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM (#4277343)
Where was RB to alert everyone to where the line was supposed to be?
Shooty was there, that's his job! Funnily enough, when you said "Sandro and Thud were expecting the back line to start dropping back" my first thought was that AVB won't be happy to hear that.

I need to get back in the loop on the goings-on these days, the Yankees rather occupied the bulk of my attention the past couple of weeks.
   367. zack Posted: October 20, 2012 at 10:58 AM (#4277354)
Don't you have to point a large part of the finger at Spurs' midfield defense and not just the back four? Seconds before the equalizer I was thinking you can't let Chelease start every attack with 7 men all just at the edge of the 18-yard box, or any shot can be a goal. Sorry about that.

Stoke - Man U has been suprisingly open, Van Persie is singlehandedly destroying Stoke though. Scholes is begging for a red card.

This is the first saturday I've had Fox Soccer and it's awesome. The one downside to soccer in HD (which is obviously a gamechanger) is looking at Jon Walters stupid face in HD.
   368. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4277372)
Suarez might be a completely loathsome person, but he is quite a delightful player ...
   369. Swedish Chef Posted: October 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4277403)
In a regional league in the Swedish fourth tier, div 2 Södra Götaland, one team has completed a hellish season. IFK Klagshamn finished with 0 wins, 1 draw, 21 losses, 10 goals scored, 127 goals conceded.
   370. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 20, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4277576)
   371. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 21, 2012 at 08:55 AM (#4277865)
That looked like a really soft red card to me in the Newcastle game.
   372. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 21, 2012 at 10:03 AM (#4277877)
I don't know if Newcastle have played really well or Sunderland really poorly but it's one of the two. Sunderland haven't done anything to suggest they are up a man this entire second half.
   373. Mattbert Posted: October 21, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4278029)
Somewhere in Dorset, Harry Redknapp begins lessons with a dialect coach.

"When I came here, they had two points from eight games!"

"No, Harry! No. THREE points from eight games. Three points. Let's try again."

"When I came here, they had twee points from eight games."

"Not quite, but that's progress."

"That was my Woy Hodgson impression. Tell me it wasn't triffic. Go on, tell me!"

"Harry, please. Let's try to focus here. Again: three. points. from. eight. games."

"Alright, then. Answer me this. Why they getting rid of Mark Hughes, anyhow? The man's a top, top manager. Top class."

"That's not what we're here to..."

"Honestly! Two points from eight games, that's a disaster. But three? Three points you can build on. Why not give the lad a chance?"

"Oh, you almost had it! Three points from eight games, Harry?"

"Too right."
   374. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:07 AM (#4278735)
I am back from merry old England. Impressions form White Hart Lane!

First, the actual game:

--My heart sank a little when they announced the lineup. No Bale? No Dembele? No Adebayor? No BAE? Ugh. That was not good right off the bat.
--My impression being there was that the first half was pretty even. The Cahill goal you could see coming from the very second it touched Gallas' head. What a horrible clearance that was and I expect better from a cagey vet like Gallas. Other than that, Spurs created as many chances and the game was finely balanced. Dempsey and Sigrudsson, however, were really terrible in the first half. Huddlestone played well so, in the first half, it was the loss of Bale that really hurt. Chelsea don't look like a team that is going to handle pace well and Bale would have been perfect for this game.

--The second half started perfectly of course. Spurs were pressing and played with much more tempo. Sigurdsson moved out to the left and was much better though Dempsey still sucked. Huddlestone took over all the set piece duties and was brilliant at it. After the second goal, though, Spurs just shut down. Vertonghen and Huddlestone were both gassed and, while they still had the energy to get forward and create chances, they both lost their desire to track back. Vertonghen just doesn't have the endurance to play left back for 90 minutes. He was really good the first half, and, just like the United game, completely lost all ability to defend in the second. Spurs will be much better when he can play CB and Naughton or BAE can play LB.

--As for the atmosphere...Spurs fans were very quiet almost the entire game. Maybe the lack of Bale and Dembele depressed everyone from the start or whatever. It didn't help that I was in the tourist group section with a lot of Chinese tourists that were just checking out the scene. I was the loudest person in my section and I'm not a vociferous person at all.

--In other soccer stuff, I watched England and Poland at a pub and, while a lot of people showed up top watch it, no one seem to care that much. That was weird. I was able to buy a copy of When Saturday Comes at a news stand and even bought a few packs of Football cards.

--In general UK news, a Tory big wig had to quit because he called a cop a "pleb" and a "moron" in one of the weirdest political scandals I've ever heard of. And no one in England seems to take the Scotland referendum seriously. The response on tv was either smugness or jocularity or a combination of the two.
   375. ursus arctos Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:47 AM (#4278747)
The Lane tends to be quite quiet when Spurs are losing and/or playing poorly, though I think this is increasingly true of Premier League grounds generally (there used to be a more audible North/South divide).

Vertonghen's inability to maintain his effectiveness for 90 minutes is troubling for a player of his age.

"Pleb" was the word that torpedoed Mitchell's career (and the one he never expressly denied uttering). It certainly didn't help that the Chancellor was caught trying to ride in First Class on a Standard ticket earlier on Friday.
   376. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:55 AM (#4278752)
The Lane tends to be quite quiet when Spurs are losing and/or playing poorly, though I think this is increasingly true of Premier League grounds generally (there used to be a more audible North/South divide).

It was quiet right from the get-go, though, and the crowd noise shut down with the team after they went up 2-1. I admit I expected more. Even David Ginola didn't get much of a reception when they trotted him out at half time.

"Pleb" was the word that torpedoed Mitchell's career (and the one he never expressly denied uttering). It certainly didn't help that the Chancellor was caught trying to ride in First Class on a Standard ticket earlier on Friday.

I think it was the wicker basket on the handlebars on his bike that did him in!

   377. Flynn Posted: October 22, 2012 at 08:56 AM (#4278753)
He's not a left back, I wouldn't underestimate that. I didn't see the game but it seems entirely plausible a guy playing out of position would run himself into the ground, especially since that's Vertonghen's style of play.
   378. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:04 AM (#4278758)
He's not a left back, I wouldn't underestimate that. I didn't see the game but it seems entirely plausible a guy playing out of position would run himself into the ground, especially since that's Vertonghen's style of play.

Yeah, the plan was never to use him as a LB, but Naughton, BAE and Kaboul are hurt and the attempt to play Bale there was a disaster. He's very good for the first 45 minutes, and then he just loses it. BAE and Naughton should both be back next week so hopefully Vertonghen can go back to CB where I think he can be one of the best in Europe.

   379. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:15 AM (#4278767)
Oh yeah, and I should mention that Jermain Defoe was the hardest working player on the pitch for either team. Seeing him in person where you can see all the off-the-ball work was amazing. He runs and runs and runs and runs...

That said, when Adebayor came on it was so much easier for Spurs to get the ball near the box as he's just a much better target for the midfielders. I hate saying this since Defoe works so hard and has been effective, but Adebayor is better and needs to be playing from the first minute. I was just really impressed by how much heart Defoe showed.
   380. Mattbert Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:40 AM (#4278784)
The big blow to Spurs was missing Dembele to injury. Bale is a super player, obviously, but they have other players who can "do a job" at his position. There's no one else in the squad capable of performing Dembele's role. Thud coming into the team changes everything, and while his selection was pretty much a no-brainer with Dembele out, dealing with the knock-on effects of this forced change was where I thought Villas-Boas fell down a bit tactically.

Thud isn't mobile or direct enough with the ball at his feet to be the link man through the middle of the park like Dembele is. And that's fine; different players have different strengths. Thud's is his range of passing and ability to distribute the ball to the wings during transitions. Given that, I felt playing Dempsey/Sigurdsson wide left was a mistake. Both those guys will tend to drift into the middle where they can influence the game more and get into scoring positions with late runs. That meant Thud just had Lennon as his sole outlet on the flanks, and it was easier for Chelsea to protect against that ball when they only had to worry about one side of the pitch.

I would rather have seen one of the Dempsey/Sigurdsson pair start in the middle, behind Adebayor up top (also a better target than Defoe for Thud's longer passes). Either Townsend or Defoe should have been on the left. I like Defoe in that spot because he has the pace to trouble the fullback, and playing outside forces him to get his head up (he played another terrific reverse ball to Sigurdsson after cutting in from the left - reminiscent of when he played Bale in, leading to Dempsey's winner against United).

If there's some reason Adebayor still can't go a full 90, then Defoe up top and Townsend wide left would have been my preference. You could see the Chelsea defense collectively s**t themselves every time Lennon picked up the ball and was able to run at them. Townsend's pace and ability to beat a man off the dribble would have provided a similar threat from the other flank and played to Thud's strengths by giving the big fella a second reliable target for diagonal balls from deep. He's also good on the right and would have been able to swap sides with Lennon to keep Chelsea off balance.
   381. Mattbert Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:52 AM (#4278787)
How long were you over there, Shooty? I guess at least a few days if you watched the WC qualifier in a pub. I heard there was some pretty nasty weather late last week. My friend and former neighbor sent me video he shot last Friday of badly flooded streets in my old stomping grounds.
   382. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:57 AM (#4278789)
How long were you over there, Shooty? I guess at least a few days if you watched the WC qualifier in a pub. I heard there was some pretty nasty weather late last week. My friend and former neighbor sent me video he shot last Friday of badly flooded streets in my old stomping grounds.

I was there 8 days. The rain wasn't too bad, I thought. The worst of the rains came at night so I would've missed any deluges.
   383. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4278791)
Sheeeeyittt. I just now got an e-mail that Spurs have teamed up with StubHub to sell tickets. That would have been much more preferable than the Thomas Cook raping I subjected myself to. Argh.
   384. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4278795)
Serie A!

So, when does it start getting embarrassing that no one in Serie A can beat Juventus?
Is Allegri still managing Milan? They could be in the relegation zone at the end of Saturday!
Torino--solidly midtable. I'm feeling good about their chances of sticking this season.

Meanwhile, in Germany, Freiburg only a point behind Dortmund...
   385. Mattbert Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM (#4278825)
Speaking of Serie A and Juventus...

Genoa have sacked former Juve manager Luigi de Canio for...some reason. Is falling behind Torino (albeit only on goal difference) really so much of a mark of shame that they had to drop the axe?

The Bundesliga is amazingly tight after the top three. The mighty Hamburg could've gone 4th with a win over Stuttgart, but alas they got nothing from what looked like a home banker and remain rooted in mid-table at 10th. Come on, Hamburg!
   386. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4278827)
The Bundesliga is amazingly tight after the top three. The mighty Hamburglar could've gone 4th with a win over Stuttgart, but alas they got nothing from what looked like a home banker and remain rooted in mid-table at 10th. Come on, Hamburglar!

FTFY.
   387. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM (#4278851)
I haven't watched any of either Frankfurt or Schalke, but their goal differentials suggest they're not tremendously strong bets to remain clear of 4th/5th and the other contenders all season. (Frankfurt's also been lucky to have five home games and only three away so far.)
   388. Mattbert Posted: October 22, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4278854)
You mark yourself as a petty and childish man with you continued peevishness about the mighty Hamburg, Shooty.
   389. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4278952)
I am back from merry old England.

I didn't know you were here!

I heard there was some pretty nasty weather late last week. My friend and former neighbor sent me video he shot last Friday of badly flooded streets in my old stomping grounds.

I didn't think it was that bad, but it's entirely possible it was different in different areas.
   390. ursus arctos Posted: October 22, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4278954)
Eintracht have been very fortunate so far. There's no way that they keep this up for the entire season.

Not only did Genoa sack Di Canio, they didn't tell him. He found out from a journo when he showed up at training this morning.
   391. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4278990)
Not only did Genoa sack Di Canio, they didn't tell him. He found out from a journo when he showed up at training this morning.
Wow, I don't believe even George Steinbrenner ever pulled that trick.

Are we still on for watching some football Saturday morning at Kinsale's? I'm game if others are.
   392. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4279005)
Are we still on for watching some football Saturday morning at Kinsale's? I'm game if others are.

Of course! I have to show off my retro 1961 Tottenham FA Cup jacket.
   393. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4279034)
Of course! I have to show off my retro 1961 Tottenham FA Cup jacket.
And I have to call you a poseur a few more times.

I actually looked at all the retro West Ham stuff when I was over there but none of it grabbed me. But I will be wearing the new shirt I bought, fear not.
   394. Mattbert Posted: October 22, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4279039)
I didn't think it was that bad, but it's entirely possible it was different in different areas.

Entirely possible. This was in Surrey, right next to the Thames. Richmond, Kew, Kingston area.
   395. Mattbert Posted: October 23, 2012 at 09:54 AM (#4280423)
Looks like Dougie Freedman is leaving Palace (4th) to take over at Bolton (16th). Admittedly, they're only separated by six points. That's a gutsy move for Freedman, though. He must like his chances of turning Bolton around quickly, because I doubt he'll get as much rope there as he would've had at Crystal Palace. Guy's a legend there.
   396. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:31 AM (#4280463)
He must like his chances of turning Bolton around quickly, because I doubt he'll get as much rope there as he would've had at Crystal Palace. Guy's a legend there.
Bolton are in 16th, but they are also coming off a dozen (give or take) years in the Prem, whereas Palace has a grand total of four seasons in the Prem--none consecutive and none since I was living in London. If you have aspirations of moving up in the managerial world, I can see why you make that move.
   397. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4280514)
Genoa have sacked former Juve manager Luigi de Canio for...some reason. Is falling behind Torino (albeit only on goal difference) really so much of a mark of shame that they had to drop the axe?

Historically, I don't think Serie A teams need much of a reason to sack a manager. They just do it as a way of life.
   398. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4280517)
Historically, I don't think Serie A teams need much of a reason to sack a manager. They just do it as a way of life.

The difference in attitudes between Serie A and EPL about this are striking. I assume this is because in Italy the DFO has a lot more power than in England?
   399. ursus arctos Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4280525)
The prevalence of megalomanical chairmen also plays a role. Guys like Preziosi (currently Genoa) and Zamparini (Palermo) rarely get through a season without multiple managers.

And its ubiquity tends to reinforce its cultural acceptance.
   400. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4280526)
The difference in attitudes between Serie A and EPL about this are striking.


Wait a minute. I don't follow Serie A much but they are noticeably more aggressive about booting managers out than EPL teams? It's not like being an EPL manager is a long term job. Six managers are new to their clubs this year and two others have taken over this calendar year. Damn.
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