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Monday, October 01, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: October

Kinsale’s: October 27!

Arsenal v. QPR
Wigan v. West Ham

And other exciting action*

Be there!

*But not United-Chelsea or the Spurs game, both of which were moved. Boo!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 01, 2012 at 04:22 AM | 654 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   401. Swedish Chef Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4280538)
Six managers are new to their clubs this year and two others have taken over this calendar year. Damn.

Palermo has had seven different managers in eight stints since the beginning of 2011.
   402. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4280551)
Palermo has had seven different managers in eight stints since the beginning of 2011.


I didn't know John Henry owned a Serie A team too.

Seriously, that's insane.
   403. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 23, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4280736)
And United concede another early goal off of a cross. United back to their 4-4-2 diamond formation.
   404. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4280748)
United losing, Chelsea losing, Celtic winning (in Barcelona!). I think it's clear who the best team in Britain is.
   405. Textbook Editor Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4280749)
We will now get to see what an 11-0-0 formation looks like, courtesy of Celtic... Who are only 72 minutes from living the dream.
   406. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4280763)
Celtic can't really pull this off, can they? Would it be the greatest upset in CL history?
   407. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4280771)
Ah well. At least Chelsea is still losing!
   408. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4280785)
Watching Willian terrorize a lonely Ivanovic down the left wing is making me sad all over again about Bale missing the game this weekend. Shakhtar have been clearly the better team in the first half.

I've had three screens going this afternoon, with a stack of papers in front of me I haven't really touched yet. United seems like they just can't handle any kind of counter-attack - it seems like a lack of organization, but maybe it's the same problem of a lack of protection for their defensive line. I don't know.

From watching Celtic pack the box and still get ripped up, it seems like the one guy on their roster who has the quality to play against Barca as an individual is Wanyama. That guy is going to be a star.
   409. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4280800)
Watching Willian terrorize a lonely Ivanovic down the left wing is making me sad all over again about Bale missing the game this weekend. Shakhtar have been clearly the better team in the first half.

It makes me sad the Willian deal fell through.
   410. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4280806)
Yeah, that too. It'd be nice to have depth in awesome attacking wings rather than still off-pace number tens.
   411. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4280813)
If Chelsea, Juventus and Man U all lose, and Celtic steal points against Barca, I'm quitting soccer fandom. Because, just, #######-A!
   412. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4280824)
To nitpick - Chelsea losing to Shakhtar away isn't in the same league as those other possible results. Shakhtar made the quarters last year and look like a threat to get there again.

But this is fun right now either way.
   413. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4280830)
The equalizer for United was about the ugliest goal ever.
   414. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4280834)
To nitpick - Chelsea losing to Shakhtar away isn't in the same league as those other possible results. Shakhtar made the quarters last year and look like a threat to get there again.

But it's Chelsea. They are one of the axis of evil.
   415. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4280835)
If Celtic were a little better counterattacking, they'd be winning this game again.
   416. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4280839)
BTW, Parkhurst is in the lineup today for Nordsjælland. USA! USA!
   417. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4280842)
What a save from Foster against Messi!
   418. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4280851)
Forster looks like he's 6'10" or something playing goal against these little dudes.
   419. ursus arctos Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4280853)
Shooty, Barca have some famous European losses at home, including Rubin Kazan in the Champions League (09-10) and Dundee United and Metz in knock out stages of the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners' Cup, respectively.

I wouldn't put a Celtic win ahead of any of those.
   420. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4280857)
Foster is having quite a game.
   421. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4280861)
United comes back. Chicharito at his best in the 18 yd box.
   422. Swedish Chef Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4280868)
One evil empire has straightened itself out. Expect last minute heartbreak for the plucky underdogs in the other games too.
   423. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4280871)
There's another...
   424. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4280881)
Atrocious defending by the Shakhtar defenders in the box on that goal. They just watched that pass go through instead of trying to cut it off.
   425. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4280884)
The post...Celtic's 12th man!
   426. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4280891)
OH NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I guess that was inevitable.
   427. DA Baracus Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4280892)
Ouch. Foster had played so well. Heartbreaker.
   428. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4280896)
Foster seemed frozen in place on that ball. 20 seconds away. That is painful stuff.
   429. Textbook Editor Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4280904)
Gut-punch at the Nou.
   430. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4280907)
I feel like the football gods gave that one to Barca after Celtic had the ball on the byline at 90+2 and decided to play timewasting instead of football.
   431. ursus arctos Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4280908)
Great run by Alba, though. You can tell that he was an attacking midfielder until he was 20 or so.
   432. DA Baracus Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4280914)
I feel like the football gods gave that one to Barca after Celtic had the ball on the byline at 90+2 and decided to play timewasting instead of football.


Or when they had a 2 on 2 that turned into a 2 on 7.
   433. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4281103)
Snark aside, is anyone else surprised it looks like QPR is actually going to stick with Hughes? His record since taking over for Warnock has been pretty bad and Rafa Benitez and Harry Redknapp are just collecting dust on a shelf, not to mention Owen Coyle.
   434. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 23, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4281104)
And Bobby Valentine.
   435. Ron J2 Posted: October 23, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4281118)
#433 Haven't put any research into it, but it seems to me like Redknapp has a very limited shelf life.

No reason not to bring him in if you need a boost, but he sure doesn't come cheap and the teams he leaves are often not in great shape.
   436. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 23, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4281126)
No reason not to bring him in if you need a boost, but he sure doesn't come cheap and the teams he leaves are often not in great shape.

I'm not advocating hiring him, he's just a shadow over any PL manager whose team is struggling. The thing with QPR is that it's not really possible for Redknapp to bankrupt them so I don't think that should be a worry. Their ownership group isn't going to run out of money anytime soon.
   437. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 23, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4281129)
There's plenty that Redknapp could achieve in that job. Since being promoted QPR have brought in new players from Tottenham, Fulham, West Ham, Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United, Manchester City, Newcastle, Sunderland, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Marseille, Nancy, Lazio, Inter, and Real Madrid. But they still haven't brought in anyone from Barcelona, Milan, Everton, West Brom, Stoke, Swansea, PSG, Lyon, Roma, Udinese, Juventus, Bayern, Shakhtar, Nordsjælland, Flamurtari Vlorë, Sliema Wanderers, Lisburn Distillery, FC Zestafoni, Artmedia Petrzalka, Krylia Sovietov, Politehnica Timisoara, Molde, Hammarby, The Strongest, Horden Colliery Welfare, Los Angeles Galaxy, Bolton Wanderers, or any Portuguese team at all. Get cracking, Harry!
   438. Mefisto Posted: October 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4281485)
Great. Landon's considering retirement again. I really wanted him to go back to Everton this winter, but it doesn't look likely.
   439. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 24, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4281582)
Michael Essien is going to play at LB today for Real against Dortmund. That's kind of interesting.
   440. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 24, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4281670)
A crazy amount of good games to choose from today, but I'm going with the obvious Dortmund v Real. Real Madrid have only won once in Germany against German competition in their history. That's your factoid of the day!
   441. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4281735)
Oof. Bad Pepe. Bad, bad Pepe!
   442. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4281739)
Wow. What a response from Ronaldo. I picked the right game.
   443. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4281749)
Well that lead was fun while it lasted...
   444. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4281753)
Funny to see Real reduced to what the Germans call 'kick and rush' football...
   445. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 24, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4281775)
That was a brilliant pass (not sure from who, I think Ozil?) and a brilliant finish from Ronaldo.

Also, I was very happy Pepe made the blunder leading to Dortmund's goal just a few minutes after he managed to get a foul called by deliberately running into a Dortmund player's elbow and then crumbling. What a loathsome player.
   446. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 24, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4281802)
England teams are struggling as much today as yesterday, it seems.
   447. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 24, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4281810)
Try and hold onto this one a bit longer please.
   448. zack Posted: October 24, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4281821)
I'm only partly watching the Arsenal-Schalke game, but every time I look up Gervinho has been doing something indistinguishable from throwing the game.

Although he just made a blatant dive for a penalty. Though he was clear to the net if he had stayed on his feet so still.
   449. zack Posted: October 24, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4281834)
Gorgeous feed from Affelay to Huntelaar alone at the penalty spot. 1-0 Schalke.
   450. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 24, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4281837)
And Pepe somehow gets away with what should have been a penalty.
   451. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 24, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4281838)
City are really bad at this whole Europe thing, aren't they?
   452. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 24, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4281848)
Congrats FPH. With Man City's loss things are looking good for you.

edit: Also, I feared for your health if they didn't hold on to this one after that Celtic-Barca finish.
   453. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 24, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4281868)
Vermeer - youth product
Van Rhijn - youth product
Alderweireld - youth product
Moisander - 2.5m
Blind - youth product
Eriksen - youth product
Poulsen - free
Schone - free
Sana - 250k
De Jong - youth product
Babel - free (originally a youth product)

Total cost: 2.75m

I stole that from a comment at The Guardian so I don't know if it's accurate. Still!
   454. Gaelan Posted: October 24, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4281902)
Shooty, I know the champions league is on today, but you didn't enter any orders in our diplomacy game.
   455. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 24, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4281915)
####. Thought the deadline was tonight.
   456. Mattbert Posted: October 25, 2012 at 12:25 AM (#4282715)
What a great night of football. I think almost every single result went the way I would've wanted.
   457. Swedish Chef Posted: October 25, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4283346)
Feel the Europa League frenzy!
   458. DA Baracus Posted: October 25, 2012 at 06:55 PM (#4283426)
   459. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 25, 2012 at 07:11 PM (#4283438)
Shooty: What time on Saturday? I was thinking around 8.

Also, we need to stop planning the meet-up for this weekend. It does not bring happy weather to NYC.
   460. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 07:34 AM (#4283985)
Shooty: What time on Saturday? I was thinking around 8.

Man, you are pumped up for Aston Villa v Norwich! I'll be there around 8:30, I think.
   461. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 07:54 AM (#4283989)
Don't buy your Copa America tickets yet.

I hope part of the ongoing discussions involves getting the USA into CONMEBOL permanently.
   462. zack Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:42 AM (#4284000)
Permanently for everything or just the Copaz? Because the USAin't qualifying through Conmebol. Well, looking it up I guess they could fight Chile/Ecuador/Paraguay/New Zealand for the last spot, assuming Mexico didn't also come. I imagine that would also be the death knell for CONCACAF, with either a North+South or North+OFC merger.
   463. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4284006)
Permanently for everything or just the Copaz? Because the USAin't qualifying through Conmebol. Well, looking it up I guess they could fight Chile/Ecuador/Paraguay for the last spot, assuming Mexico didn't also come. I imagine that would also be the death knell for CONCACAF, with either a North+South or North+OFC merger.

I think we could qualify through CONMEBOL since they would probably get extra spots with the expansion. It would be harder, but I think it would be worth it and I think the challenge would be beneficial in the long run if the goal is to actually win the WC. My dream scenario is the USA and Mexico, along with Canada and the Central American nations--minus Belize--join with CONMEBOL and the the Caribbean becomes its own confederation. The Caribbean FA's wouldn't like it, but #### them. Maybe they shouldn't be so eager to put their hands out for whichever would be autocrat promises the most bribes.
   464. zack Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4284015)
I agree with that, but it's got to be 5th or 6th on important steps. #1 is getting better players, which means playing better competition when they're younger, which has to be through the club system as I don't think senior caps are going to be plentiful enough or young enough to spur that much development.

I'm assuming US Soccer has a USNTDP team...where do they play?

Edit: I'm not trying to argue or imply you think CONMEBOL = Instant US World Cup. I hate how internet discourse is mainly jumping on tangential points or things left unsaid for the sake of brevity.
   465. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4284024)
I agree with that, but it's got to be 5th or 6th on important steps. #1 is getting better players, which means playing better competition when they're younger, which has to be through the club system as I don't think senior caps are going to be plentiful enough or young enough to spur that much development.

Of course it has to start with better players, but I also think the near automatic WC qualification we have in CONCACAF creates a lot of complacency at USSF. Also, qualifiers against Argentina and Uruguay and Brazil are going to make the sport much more glamorous in the US than ones against Antigua and Barbuda or Cuba or Trinidad and Tobago. I think a larger profile for the sport will only help youth development here and, hopefully, MLS.
   466. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM (#4284049)
Man, you are pumped up for Aston Villa v Norwich! I'll be there around 8:30, I think.
I realize 8 was insanely early, I'm not actually sure what I was thinking, except that I initially wrote "tomorrow" in that message, so I was clearly not in top form. 8:30 sounds significantly more reasonable.

Well, looking it up I guess they could fight Chile/Ecuador/Paraguay/New Zealand for the last spot, assuming Mexico didn't also come. I imagine that would also be the death knell for CONCACAF, with either a North+South or North+OFC merger
On first read, I thought New Zealand had switched to CONMEBOL and I had somehow missed it. That would be totally insane. As would a North+OFC merger, I can't see FIFA going for that. The geographic regions have to mean something, if you're doing it that way.
   467. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM (#4284055)
On first read, I thought New Zealand had switched to CONMEBOL and I had somehow missed it. That would be totally insane. As would a North+OFC merger, I can't see FIFA going for that. The geographic regions have to mean something, if you're doing it that way.

In my scenario, the Caribbean would become its own confederation like the OFC is.
   468. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4284079)
Women's Ballon d'Or shortlist announced. No defenders.
   469. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4284089)
In my scenario, the Caribbean would become its own confederation like the OFC is.
Is there really enough to justify a confederation there? I agree from the viewpoint of the bigger CONCACAF nations, it's a no-brainer, but the Caribbean countries have scored a grand total of 4 points in the last five World Cups (Jamaica beat Japan in '98, T&T drew with Sweden in '06). You'd be hard-pressed to say that's a region that even deserves a Play-In game for a spot in the finals.
   470. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4284103)
The Caribbean can become a confederation like the OFC, that is, not entitled to any WC berths at all unless they qualify in a playoff against Ecuador or Bahrain or somebody.

But the Caribbean is a little stronger than the OFC. At least when you factor in all the players who are actually British but are eligible for Barbados, St. Vincent, Grenada, Antigua, etc. And there are two actual contenders in Jamaica and Trinidad as compared to just New Zealand plus flotsam.
   471. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4284105)
Is there really enough to justify a confederation there? I agree from the viewpoint of the bigger CONCACAF nations, it's a no-brainer, but the Caribbean countries have scored a grand total of 4 points in the last five World Cups (Jamaica beat Japan in '98, T&T drew with Sweden in '06). You'd be hard-pressed to say that's a region that even deserves a Play-In game for a spot in the finals.

OFC gets one, so why not, since the Caribbean would be better than OFC? Doesn't an OFC vs Caribbean Confed. play-in game make sense?

edit: coke to Crispix.
   472. Mattbert Posted: October 26, 2012 at 10:59 AM (#4284128)
Wow, something actually stuck to Berlusconi! (For now.)
   473. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM (#4284165)
OFC gets one, so why not, since the Caribbean would be better than OFC? Doesn't an OFC vs Caribbean Confed. play-in game make sense?
I suppose it does. I would think OFC would actually be thrilled with that, since I assume even the best CaribCAF team would be a major step down from anyone in CONMEBOL
   474. puck Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4284190)
Arsenal looked like they might eventually round into shape with Podolski, Cazorla and Giroud, and then with Gervinho actually looking like he could do something.

But the last two games were pretty bad, so it makes me wonder. Granted, apparently all the right mids with a pulse were hurt (Ramsey??). But playing Gervinho at center forward bombed. I wonder what Wenger sees in Ramsey, he always seems to start. Was he worried that Arshavin wouldn't play any defense? At least he seems like he has a chance at contributing offensively.

Is Rosicky ever coming back? I was impressed with his late season comeback last year.

And they'd never spend that sort of dough, but *should* they be in on the Falcao sweepstakes?
   475. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4284219)
Wow, something actually stuck to Berlusconi! (For now.)

He's not actually going to prison though, right? He'll appeal and then statue (can't resist) of limitations will eventually kick in, right?

Also, ursus, others, what's going on with Napoli? Did I see right that they're now being implicated in calcioscommesse?
   476. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4284230)
And they'd never spend that sort of dough, but *should* they be in on the Falcao sweepstakes?

Sure. If you have the cash to get Falcao, you'd have to do it. I wonder where he'll end up? I guess Chelsea seems the most likely destination, of course.
   477. Swedish Chef Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4284231)
Grumble, the Italian justice system is dead to me since the earthquake verdict. Berlusconi has my sympathies.
   478. puck Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4284234)
Women's Ballon d'Or shortlist announced. No defenders.

Could there be a Canadian winner?
   479. puck Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4284238)
I guess Chelsea seems the most likely destination, of course.

Yeah, it seems like the other contenders who could put up silly money (PSG, Man City) aren't nearly as desperate at the position. Is Mourinho interested?
   480. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4284262)
Could there be a Canadian winner?

Could be! My money is on Wambach, though.

edit: I'm surprised Hope Solo didn't get a nomination, or are keepers excluded?
   481. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4284289)
Could there be a Canadian winner?

Sinclair is possible, of course. I'm hoping Herdman gets nominated for coach of the year, though.
edit: I'm surprised Hope Solo didn't get a nomination, or are keepers excluded?

She just didn't get nominated - the Japanese national keeper, Miho Fukumoto, was nominated, though.
   482. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4284293)
She just didn't get nominated - the Japanese national keeper, Miho Fukumoto, was nominated, though.

That's kind of crazy, but whatever, I guess.
   483. Mefisto Posted: October 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4284299)
Wambach's never won it, so I'm guessing she will this time. If not for that, I'd give it to Morgan or Sinclair.
   484. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 26, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4284409)
Is there really enough to justify a confederation there? I agree from the viewpoint of the bigger CONCACAF nations, it's a no-brainer, but the Caribbean countries have scored a grand total of 4 points in the last five World Cups (Jamaica beat Japan in '98, T&T drew with Sweden in '06). You'd be hard-pressed to say that's a region that even deserves a Play-In game for a spot in the finals.

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

FIFA isn't a meritocracy. The notion that a CONMEBOL + USA/Mexico/Canada would simply be handed additional WC spots is quite frankly a massive reach. The political setup at FIFA is so that like 20 island FA votes are vastly more valuable that the 3 from US, Mexico and Canada.
   485. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 26, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4284419)
edit: I'm surprised Hope Solo didn't get a nomination, or are keepers excluded?


The guys at NBCSports suggested (correctly in my opinion) that Solo is probably being punished for her outspoken nature.
   486. Swedish Chef Posted: October 26, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4284420)
The political setup at FIFA is so that like 20 island FA votes are vastly more valuable that the 3 from US, Mexico and Canada.

They do appreciate the money though, so there's a counterweight. Though I guess it's kind of depressing that the opposing forces are commercialism and graft.
   487. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 26, 2012 at 03:49 PM (#4284464)
Looks like both Fox and ESPN lost out on EPL right for 2013-2016. I'm fearful, as the combination of ESPN/FoxSoccer/FSC+/FS.tv has aired every game for at least the last year.
   488. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4284482)
[487] Oh no. Not BeIn again, is it?
   489. zack Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4284485)
Completely? To who, the outdoor life network?

Isn't exposure worth anything to these guys?
   490. Swedish Chef Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4284496)
Seems like it's NBC vs BeIn.
   491. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4284501)
I don't think the announcement is official until Monday. The guy who Grant Wahl retweeted threw out NBC Universal as a frontrunner. That seems to make the most sense to me -- does NBC have anything besides Notre Dame that would stand in the way of a weekly Saturday or Sunday EPL game? Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd have to think they could more than justify that decision. Add another handful of games on NBC Sports Network, and that gets you to about six out of the ten weekend fixtures (without getting into other stations or a possible streaming option).

I also have to think MLS is hoping and praying NBC gets it. Would have to think it'd provide a nice promotional boost.

I'll say this about beinsport -- whoever does win the rights is going to pay a fortune. It's tough to imagine them paying so much without expanding into either some streaming options or, at the very least, more cable networks. I'm not happy that I can't watch much Serie A this season, but for now they get a pass, if only because of the gorgeous presenters they have on the Spanish station.

EDIT: That's a lot of "would have to think"s. Sorry about that.
   492. Mefisto Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4284502)
Damn, that could be a real loss, even though I do get BeIn.
   493. Randy Jones Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4284503)
NBC has the NHL if it still counts. I would much prefer for NBC to get the rights rather than bein.
   494. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4284521)
That seems to make the most sense to me -- does NBC have anything besides Notre Dame that would stand in the way of a weekly Saturday or Sunday EPL game?


NBC/NBC Sports Network just picked up the rights to Formula One for next year. Those races could conflict with the start times of EPL matches, especially if they're in Europe.
   495. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: October 26, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4284526)
Another downside is that ESPN now won't care as much about soccer, now that they know they are not retaining the rights going forward, I'm thinking that will mean that those "lesser" Monday games are likely to stay as ESPN3 only rather than on ESPN2. Also concerned how this will impact their coverage of the USMNT as we approach the start of the hex (as in moving stations around if an auto race or Little league game gets delayed, stuff like that).

   496. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4284538)
Looks like both Fox and ESPN lost out on EPL right for 2013-2016.


So does Fox Soccer Channel just go away at that point? Are they seriously going to run a 24 hour soccer channel based around MLS?
   497. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4284542)
Jeff, if it's anything like ESPN's loss of La Liga and Serie A rights, won't even have rights to the Monday night game, ESPN3 or otherwise.

Jose, FSC still has Champions League rights for another few seasons. Europa League, too. Clearly, though, the business plan is to build around their true gems, the A-League and SPL.
   498. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:20 PM (#4284548)
Since I get NBC Sports but I don't get BeIn...let's go NBC, though I have to think one will get the bulk and the other will get the B package. There's a chance I might not get any of the major Euro leagues on my tv next year, though, which isn't so great. FSC is kind of dead in the water now, isn't it unless they think the Europa League and college soccer will be enough? They did a lot to build the EPL viewership in this country but I guess that's how it goes. A victim of their own success. Hell, maybe they should just sell the channel to the Qataris now.
   499. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: October 26, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4284550)
Jeff, if it's anything like ESPN's loss of La Liga and Serie A rights, won't even have rights to the Monday night game, ESPN3 or otherwise.


Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant for the remainder of this season when they would still have the rights for those games. I know ESPN still has the 2014 WC rights, so they don't want to tank their soccer coverage completely I am sure, but after it seeming to move up the pecking order (I noticed a lot more soccer scores on the bottom ticker over the past year or so), one would think that such growth would be in danger. Same thing for FOX, though they have the 2018 AND 2022 WC coverage - so who knows what their plan is.

I would guess go for other available leagues? When are the German rights next up? If it is in the next couple of years, I would think that would be the biggest prize out there perhaps?
   500. puck Posted: October 26, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4284600)
So does Fox Soccer Channel just go away at that point? Are they seriously going to run a 24 hour soccer channel based around MLS?

They don't have MLS anymore. NBC took that part over.

I'll try to remain calm. The ESPN/FSC combo worked really well for me, too. I hope NBC will show a decent selection of games. I have beIN but am glad they didn't get it. Like CWSKeith says, right now they can't show what they've got already. They showed the Barca-Real Madrid game then cut to the 2nd half of the Milan derby because they overlapped. Now, this year who wants to watch the Milan derby, but it in general shows the problem they have.
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