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Monday, October 01, 2012

OT: The Soccer Thread: October

Kinsale’s: October 27!

Arsenal v. QPR
Wigan v. West Ham

And other exciting action*

Be there!

*But not United-Chelsea or the Spurs game, both of which were moved. Boo!

RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 01, 2012 at 04:22 AM | 654 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   501. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 06:54 PM (#4284623)
Flip.
   502. puck Posted: October 26, 2012 at 06:54 PM (#4284624)
Oh hell, does that mean the guy who does the MLS games on NBC sports is going to do the EPL games? I hate tv announcers who think they have to fill every second of airtime with words. He announces like all you're getting is a radio broadcast.
   503. puck Posted: October 26, 2012 at 06:57 PM (#4284630)
The philly.com soccer blog ("The Goalkeeper") posted this statement from Fox:

We were disappointed to learn today that English Premier League has elected to move forward with a different media partner despite FOX Sports Media Group's aggressive bid. FOX Soccer has been the primary US voice of EPL for almost two decades, and has done much over the years to increase its popularity, value and availability. We wish them well.

FOX Soccer continues to serve as the primary television and digital destination in the US for elite competitions including UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League, FA Cup, CONCACAF Champions League, CONCACAF Gold Cup, and is the future home of FIFA World Cup and FIFA Women's World Cup beginning in 2015.
   504. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 26, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4284635)
Like CWSKeith says, right now they can't show what they've got already. They showed the Barca-Real Madrid game then cut to the 2nd half of the Milan derby because they overlapped.


Wow, that's amazingly inept and clueless programming.

Seriously, BeIN's business seems to resemble that of the Underpants' Gnomes:

Step 1: Buy every football property under the sun!

Step 2: ?????

Step 3: Profit!

They seem to have far more money than business sense.

Some of these growing pains would normally be expected with a fledgling network, but it certainly wasn't the money preventing them from assembling top notch staff and executives and hit the ground running.
   505. Tike Redman's Shattered Dreams Posted: October 27, 2012 at 08:12 AM (#4284811)
Sadly, I can't make it to Kinsale's this morning. Damn school. I'm there in spirit.
   506. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 27, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4284976)
12 minutes of extra time in City-Swansea. I've never seen anywhere near that much.
   507. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 27, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4285152)
Sadly, I can't make it to Kinsale's this morning. Damn school. I'm there in spirit.
They didn't open until David Hirshey showed up around 9:30 and forced them to do so, Shooty and I had been camped out in the coffee shop next door previous to that. Also, when Hirshey compares Notre Dame to Liverpool in his column, know he stole that idea from Shooty.

Also, we managed to get pretty blitzed for the AM, in part because right as we were about ready to leave, the bartender bought us another round.
   508. Jeffo has an El Camino full of Rampage Posted: October 27, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4285163)
Also, we managed to get pretty blitzed for the AM


This is actually my plan for tomorrow morning's games - which is why I made sure to do any storm-related shopping this morning (first on the list - case of beer).

I did catch the last 4 goals in the Reading-Fulham matchup. That was quite entertaining. Also I need the offside rule explained to me again as it relates to that Arteta goal. Not sure if that was onside, or the if ref messed it up?
   509. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 27, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4285204)
12 minutes of extra time in City-Swansea. I've never seen anywhere near that much.


According to The Guardian no one has.

With a whopping 12 minutes and 38 seconds of added time after two second-half injuries, the game was officially the Premier League's longest ever, which will come as no surprise to anyone who watched it. I



   510. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 27, 2012 at 06:36 PM (#4285206)
Also I need the offside rule explained to me again as it relates to that Arteta goal. Not sure if that was onside, or the if ref messed it up?


I'm pretty sure they just blew it. Wynalda made the point that it's a tough call because the linesman is watching to see both the off sides AND the ball possibly crossing the line. Unless their is a "it wasn't a true pass" qualifier I think it's an offsides play. None of the FSC guys mentioned any such qualifier. It certainly was the type of ball that wouldn't have been ruled a backpass to the keeper for example but I don't think that matters on offsides.
   511. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 28, 2012 at 09:46 AM (#4285782)
Ok, Suarez's faux-dive celebration was pretty hilarious, I'll give him credit.
   512. DA Baracus Posted: October 28, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4285835)
Suarez is such a loathsome player to watch.

Half of Liverpool look like felons.
   513. Spivey Posted: October 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4285838)
Suarez is awesome. And he just got robbed.
   514. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4285839)
Are you ####### kidding me?
   515. DA Baracus Posted: October 28, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4285841)
Hahaha. Any other player and I'd feel bad for Liverpool.
   516. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 28, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4285844)
Normally when an offsides call is missed you can watch the replay and understand "why" it was missed. There was nothing in that one that suggested or even hinted that Suarez was offsides. I just can't figure out what the ref saw. That was a horrible horrible call.
   517. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4285846)
Suarez is one hell of a little player. His possession skills are wonderful to watch. I still have no idea how he won the ball a few times in the box. He seemed more dangerous than usual today - it looked like he was playing more of a false nine than a true striker position, which I'd think is a better position for him, and opens up opportunities for Sterling to make runs from the wing.

On the other hand, did you see that Achilles stomp he put in on Distin? No way that wasn't intentional. He is sort of a terrible person.
   518. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 28, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4285847)
There was nothing in that one that suggested or even hinted that Suarez was offsides. I just can't figure out what the ref saw. That was a horrible horrible call.
Yup. Could it have been a foul on Coates? Otherwise, really terrible call.

I guess one possibility is that Suarez reacted so quickly to the ball, and so much more quickly than the Everton defense, that he fooled the sideline official.
   519. Spivey Posted: October 28, 2012 at 11:36 AM (#4285850)
I actually like Suarez more that he isn't on Fulham than if he was. His theatrics are so obnoxious, that I really love them. But his reputation totally affects the bad calls and things that go against him, IMO. Which would be extremely annoying if I was a Liverpool fan.
   520. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM (#4285872)
I imagine anyone interested is already watching but Klinsmann will be on at halftime of ManU and Chelsea.
   521. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 28, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4285876)
Smart play by Young not to go for the tap in. He would have been offsides unquestionably.
   522. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 28, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4285885)
Is Ashley Cole playing in this game because the evidence suggests he is not.
   523. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM (#4285910)
De Gea makes his share of blunders and is awful at organizing his defense but I can't say there is a better shot stopper anywhere.
   524. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4285942)
Spurs game was sort of a repeat of the Chelsea game, except against a much worse opponent. (Though if Defoe had his scoring boots on, it could have easily been 4-0 in the first half). At about 50-60 minutes, once Huddlestone wore down and come off for Livermore, Spurs played awful football with occasional moments of competence. It seems like a combination of two problems - first, with Livermore and Sandro in central midfield, there's no passer good enough to control the game and link up with attack. That shouldn't cause the whole team to collapse, though. The second problem seems to be in terms of game strategy, as they just started hoofing every ball up in the air back to midfield rather than trying to play in possession. There's too much talent on this side to just cede possession to Southampton every time their attack breaks down. There was a third factor today, where Livermore was really just plain awful, giving away dumb fouls and providing almost no net defensive value along with his usual meh production in possession.

Lennon, once again, was non-stop brilliant for 90 minutes. He might be making The Leap.
   525. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:28 PM (#4285952)
Did Torres dive there? That's a hell of a call to make. The Ivanovic red was a no-brainer.
   526. Flynn Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4285956)
I guess one possibility is that Suarez reacted so quickly to the ball, and so much more quickly than the Everton defense, that he fooled the sideline official.


That happens a lot. All the time in fact. Oh, he's so far ahead of the play he must be offside.
   527. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4285957)
I guess up 2 men it's ok to go to Giggs.
   528. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4285958)
Looks to me like it's an instance of 'exaggerating the contact' -- Evans seems to clip him, and Torres is just trying to sell it. Don't see how you can send him off for that.
   529. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:32 PM (#4285962)
Chelsea fans are unhappy. Ah well, ah well...
   530. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4285963)
Can't believe that Van Persie shot didn't squeeze over the line, but it didn't end up mattering. Ooohhhh, Hernandez looked offside on the replay.
   531. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4285964)
And he's probably offside. Christ what a day...
   532. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4285966)
It's going to be a long time before Clattenberg refs another Chelsea game. He may get United every week, though.
   533. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4285967)
And he's probably offside. Christ what a day...

It's been a tough weekend for the offsides call.
   534. JuanGone..except1game Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4285968)
Looks to me like it's an instance of 'exaggerating the contact' -- Evans seems to clip him, and Torres is just trying to sell it. Don't see how you can send him off for that.


F'ing ref ruined a good match. Ivanovic I can wrap my head around, but the Torres call was horrible. ManU's homecourt advantage at the Bridge continues.
   535. JuanGone..except1game Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4285970)
I'm a few minutes behind and with the Hernandez offside goal I'm out. Hard enough to beat ManU without Clattenberg's ####. Maybe Terry racially abused him this year as well.
   536. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4285971)
Ivanovic was absolutely the right call, Torres was equally clearly the wrong call in my opinion.
   537. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:40 PM (#4285974)
Ivanovic was absolutely the right call, Torres was equally clearly the wrong call in my opinion.

I think so, too. With all the talk about Suarez and Bale this year, people haven't paid attention to how much of a diver Torres has become but I guess it caught up to him today.
   538. JuanGone..except1game Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4285978)
I think so, too. With all the talk about Suarez and Bale this year, people haven't paid attention to how much of a diver Torres has become but I guess it caught up to him today.


I can't argue with that. He's gone to ground quite a bit this year, though I still wouldn't put him there with the league leaders in the clubhouse.
   539. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4285979)
For the record, no Bale dives today. He had a fantastic header for the game's first goal though.
   540. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4285982)
Boy, how smug is Fergie going to be in the post game presser?
   541. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4285984)
It's kind of impressive that Valencia managed to hook that shot that badly.
   542. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4285989)
So, the top of the table tightens up. And then a nice scrum for that 4th place spot with Spurs, Arsenal, Everton, Fulham, West Brom, etc. all hanging around.
   543. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 28, 2012 at 03:52 PM (#4286073)
Most likely a shot in the dark here, but I figured I'd ask -- anyone have a suggestion as to where I could possibly watch some morning soccer in Nashville? I'm likely going to be there next weekend, and a quick google search didn't yield anything.
   544. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 28, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4286506)
NBC wins.

We might have to watch a few games in Spanish, but all games will be available live or streaming.
   545. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 28, 2012 at 09:46 PM (#4286513)
Take THAT Underpants Gnomes!
   546. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 28, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4286525)
Awesome!
   547. jmurph Posted: October 28, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4286566)
Wow, that's crazy. Fox Soccer will have... the A-League?
   548. jmurph Posted: October 28, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4286582)
Guess I can stop asking Comcast to add Fox Soccer Plus.
   549. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 28, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4286630)
Wow, that's crazy. Fox Soccer will have... the A-League?
They still have the Europa and Champions Leagues. And the SPL. But yeah, they're ######.
   550. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM (#4286657)
They still have the Europa and Champions Leagues. And the SPL. But yeah, they're ######.


Don't forget their impressive collection of NCAA soccer!

Mens AND Womens!
   551. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 28, 2012 at 10:51 PM (#4286677)
But yeah, they're ######.
I think they're actually not that ######. It's only a three-year deal, starting 13/14. So that takes it through 15/16. In theory, FSC could have figured they didn't have to bid TOO big on these, because if they win out the rights for 16/17, and 17/18, that gives them two seasons to reestablish before the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, for which Fox has the rights.
   552. jmurph Posted: October 29, 2012 at 08:23 AM (#4287160)
I think they're actually not that ######. It's only a three-year deal, starting 13/14. So that takes it through 15/16. In theory, FSC could have figured they didn't have to bid TOO big on these, because if they win out the rights for 16/17, and 17/18, that gives them two seasons to reestablish before the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, for which Fox has the rights.


They have an entire premium network (Plus) that they're fighting to get on cable systems and they now have no content for it. That seems bad.
   553. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 29, 2012 at 08:38 AM (#4287164)
With all this tv money, you may see the likes of Wigan plundering clubs like Valencia for players. I'm exaggerating, but not by much!

I hope Fox can somehow get Bundesliga rights. No reason they can't do for German football what they did for the EPL.
   554. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 29, 2012 at 09:02 AM (#4287180)
With all this tv money, you may see the likes of Wigan plundering clubs like Valencia for players. I'm exaggerating, but not by much!

You're not exaggerating at all! Valencia was already plundered by Swansea a couple months ago.
   555. jmurph Posted: October 29, 2012 at 09:10 AM (#4287186)
I hope Fox can somehow get Bundesliga rights. No reason they can't do for German football what they did for the EPL.


Does Gol still have those games? I could get into the Bundesliga if someone will actually show them to me in HD.
   556. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 29, 2012 at 09:12 AM (#4287187)
You're not exaggerating at all! Valencia was already plundered by Swansea a couple months ago.

And Fiorentina were plundered by Southampton. I don't know if the PL will get better at the top, but the depth of the league might really improve. If FFP has any teeth, English teams are really going to bully their continental counterparts for players with the exception of Real/Barca/PSG/Zenit (the latter two being impervious for obvious reasons).

edit: Bayern should be impervious to English tv might, too.
   557. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 29, 2012 at 09:13 AM (#4287189)
Does Gol still have those games? I could get into the Bundesliga if someone will actually show them to me in HD.

I think so. I only get Gol as a premium channel which I'm too cheap to pay for so I don't get to watch much of it. I would if it were on FSC, though.
   558. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 29, 2012 at 09:22 AM (#4287194)
The stupidly short-sighted BeIn deals are just looking worse and worse. Obviously the EPL had a big structural advantage because of language issues, but the top European Leagues should be able to compete for American cash and viewership, and instead they sold their rights to a station that might in a best-case scenario be available on premium cable in another year. The EPL, by contrast, will be showing on one of the big three networks. Ok, NBC, but it still counts.

(Obviously most EPL games will be on NBC's cable subsidiaries, but they're going to get the biggest games on NBC itself, and they're going to get national advertising through the network.)
   559. Mattbert Posted: October 29, 2012 at 09:36 AM (#4287208)
I hope Fox can somehow get Bundesliga rights. No reason they can't do for German football what they did for the EPL.

That would be sweet. I already have Gol in "HD", but I don't watch that much Bundesliga because, well, the scare quotes. I don't have much desire to watch a lot of La Liga or Serie A, but boy howdy would I watch the #### out of some Bundesliga if the picture quality was better. Especially now that the mighty Hamburg has vaulted ahead of piddling little gnat club Freiburg.
   560. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 29, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4287212)
Hamburglar.
   561. zack Posted: October 29, 2012 at 09:57 AM (#4287216)
The only NHL games that make NBC proper (excluding special events like the Winter Classic and Hockey Day in America) are 1pm start times, so that could intersect with the late EPL games, right? I mean will intersect dammit, will!

These rights begin with the season and not the calendar right?

I used to watch Bundesliga games on ESPN3 (with hilariously drab commentating, although that might have just been because I was watching absurdly drab Kaiserslautern), did they lose those this past year?
   562. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: October 29, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4287403)
Fox is just trying to emulate the mighty MTV, where all they show is reality TV shows tangentially related to football.
   563. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 29, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4287436)
Holy moly, I just saw the weekend's highlights. The "contact" Raheem Sterling endured was about 1/10 of what Torres suffered, if that. Diving should just be punished after the fact, there's no way to judge it at the time.
   564. jolietconvict Posted: October 29, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4287477)
GolTV has the Bundesliga wrapped up through 14/15. BeIN has LaLiga, Ligue1, and Serie A, so that leaves the Eredivisie for FSC? Overall I'm hopeful that the NBC deal won't be horrible. They have CNBC and MSNBC to shunt matches to on weekends where there's nothing showing anyways and, unlike FSC, I already get all of their channels in HD.

Seriously FSC is f'ed. I forgot that BeIN also swept up the rights to the Championship as well.
   565. jmurph Posted: October 29, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4287484)
Overall I'm hopeful that the NBC deal won't be horrible. They have CNBC and MSNBC to shunt matches to on weekends where there's nothing showing anyways and, unlike FSC, I already get all of their channels in HD.


There is an NBC Sports channel, too, which is where I'm guessing the majority of games will reside. It was launched just prior to the Olympics, if I'm not mistaken, and already shows some MLS games (not sure what else).
   566. DA Baracus Posted: October 29, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4287489)
NBC Sports used to be Versus.
   567. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 29, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4287499)
What about the Mexican league and Brazilian league? Plenty of people would rather watch them than the Erediviie or Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga.
   568. SuperGrover Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4287519)
Overall I'm hopeful that the NBC deal won't be horrible. They have CNBC and MSNBC to shunt matches to on weekends where there's nothing showing anyways and, unlike FSC, I already get all of their channels in HD.


There is an NBC Sports channel, too, which is where I'm guessing the majority of games will reside. It was launched just prior to the Olympics, if I'm not mistaken, and already shows some MLS games (not sure what else).


I think NBC is actually a solid solution. They utilized all networks for the Olympics so I would expect similar effort to something they spent so much for. You've got NBC, NBC Sports, CNBC, and MSNBC all available and NBC has been fairly aggressive in online options as well (you can still watch full replays of random Olympics events online). They have been pushing NBC Sports as a viable alternative to ESPN and Fox Sports and this gives them a foothold in a small, but growing viewership. I expect they will do everything they can to maximize value.

I think Fox Soccer may be able to survive on its UEFA and FIFA contracts. I don't see how they can support Fox Soccer Plus, but the main network should be viable for now. Might be interesting to see if they try and buy the Bundesliga from Gol TV as I don't see how that network can survive once it's starting getting cut from cable providers left and right.

I will say that ANYTHING is better than BeIN. They are absolutely terrible.
   569. SuperGrover Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4287524)
It's official it seems.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-states/2012/10/29/3486994/nbc-acquires-english-premier-league-us-tv-rights
   570. SuperGrover Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4287525)
"With the Premier League, it is expected that more games will be showcased on the network's main channel. NBC has stated that it will air six live games a week on its English channels and will allow web users to stream games as well from the internet. "

That's better than what I get with just Fox Soccer. I am all for the deal personally.
   571. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4287529)
I'll say this. As a big hockey fan I've been very pleased with what I've seen from NBC/NBCSports with their hockey coverage. If they do the same work with the EPL I think we'll all be quite satisfied with the result.
   572. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:49 PM (#4287558)
In addition to what's in 569, SI put this article out yesterday. Big things they mentioned were:

- Use of NBC's non-NBC/NBCSN channels, kind of like the Olympics, for weekends that required it.
- 18-20 EPL games on NBC itself. Seriously, that's really neat -- Fox shows how many games live per season, two, three? (Not talking about FSC.)
- Likelihood of online capability a la FS.tv.
   573. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4287593)
Seriously FSC is f'ed. I forgot that BeIN also swept up the rights to the Championship as well.
Coming up next on FSC, MK Dons host Yeovil Town, and later, it's the Manchester Derby as Bury take on Oldham Athletic!
   574. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: October 29, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4287640)
Men's Ballon d'Or shortlist announced.
   575. puck Posted: October 29, 2012 at 05:30 PM (#4287655)
What about the Mexican league and Brazilian league? Plenty of people would rather watch them than the Erediviie or Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga.

Maybe the Brazilian league. I think the Mexican league would be too expensive, although maybe there are separate english-language rights.
   576. Textbook Editor Posted: October 29, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4287767)
British press coverage is maddening... So what is Clattenburg accused of saying?
   577. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 29, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4287852)
British press coverage is maddening... So what is Clattenburg accused of saying
I don't know, but the first Bing suggestion for his name is "Mark Clattenburg wig" which, frankly, raises its own questions.
   578. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 30, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4288140)
Supposedly Clattenberg called Mikel a cheeky monkey. That is kind of fey and reminds me of Are You Being Served, but it's not racist. I find it hilarious Chelsea are trying to make a meal of it considering who their captain is.
   579. Richard Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4288205)
A cheeky monkey? What year does Clattenberg think it is, 1980 or something?
   580. Mattbert Posted: October 30, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4288376)
This one's been making the rounds today. Pretty good.
Luis Suarez (Liverpool), Gareth Bale (Tottenham Hotspur), Ashley Young (Manchester United), Sergio Busquets (Barcelona), and Neymar (Santos) have all been nominated for the FIFA Fallon d'Floor 2012.
   581. Mefisto Posted: October 30, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4288429)
I guess they had to have 5 nominees, but really Busquets and Suarez are the class of the field. They'd have to go on the all-time team.
   582. Juilin Sandar to Conkling Speedwell (Arjun) Posted: October 30, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4288451)
Tom Sermanni is the new USWNT head coach. Amazed he wanted to come, given his setup in Australia, but it's a good pick up, I think.

#579: It's weird, a lot of the racial insults that become really big media affairs are sometimes weird and out of date. I don't know.
   583. Swedish Chef Posted: October 30, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4288460)
Luis Suarez (Liverpool), Gareth Bale (Tottenham Hotspur), Ashley Young (Manchester United), Sergio Busquets (Barcelona), and Neymar (Santos) have all been nominated for the FIFA Fallon d'Floor 2012.

Typical bias towards the big leagues and nations. Sweden's and PSV's Toivonen can flop with the best of them, but there's no recognition for the small guy.
   584. Mefisto Posted: October 30, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4288492)
I'm surprised to see US Soccer go so far afield for the new women's coach. It's a good sign, IMO. Now we can all speculate about who'll be in and who out with the new coach. Got to be nervous time whenever there's a change like that.
   585. DA Baracus Posted: October 30, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4288610)
League Cup: Reading 4, Arsenal 0. At the half.
   586. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 30, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4288615)
Well, 4-1 now. Reading shouldn't get too cocky as Arsenal can score in bunches. I turned on the game just in time to see Reading score...and it was already their 3rd goal. Sheesh.
   587. DA Baracus Posted: October 30, 2012 at 05:41 PM (#4288696)
Reading shouldn't get too cocky as Arsenal can score in bunches.


Go play the lottery.
   588. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 30, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4288699)
Go play the lottery.

They got a little help there. I'm not sure where that extra minute of extra time came from and Koscielny should have been sent off a few minutes before. Still, Arsenal showed a lot of resolve. Extra time!
   589. Flynn Posted: October 30, 2012 at 05:52 PM (#4288711)
Reading made a substitution during the injury time period.
   590. Flynn Posted: October 30, 2012 at 05:55 PM (#4288714)
By the way, Chelsea have form for stitching up referees. I have zero faith in anything they say and they have zero credibility anyway considering their captain.
   591. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 30, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4288734)
Holy ####, that Arsenal game is entirely mad.
   592. Richard Posted: October 30, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4288780)
Wow, if memory serves, that's the first time since 1957, when Charlton beat Huddersfield 7-6 after being 5-1 down, that someone's overhauled a 4 goal deficit and won.

League 2 Bradford in the last 8 too after beating Wigan on pens - good for them.
   593. Baldrick Posted: October 30, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4288960)
Ugh. That was just horrible.

I felt pretty unsure about things at 3-0, but at 4-0 I was pretty sure they couldn't throw it away. And there you have it.

I'm sure it was fun to watch for the neutrals, but good god that was unpleasant.
   594. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 31, 2012 at 05:58 AM (#4289046)
I can't wait for Being Liverpool: The Telenovela

An endlessly entertaining club, is Liverpool.
   595. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 31, 2012 at 06:57 AM (#4289058)
I know this is no great secret, butthe French sure do like to talk.

Lloris will be Spurs #1 for years and years. It's not going to kill him to watch Friedel, one of the great keepers in recent history, for a few more games.
   596. Mattbert Posted: October 31, 2012 at 11:45 AM (#4289214)
Lloris will be Spurs #1 for years and years. It's not going to kill him to watch Friedel, one of the great keepers in recent history, for a few more games.

No, but it might kill me.
   597. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4289234)

LONDON, Oct 31 (Reuters) - FIFA president Sepp Blatter thought English soccer "was run by idiots" which was a reason England failed to win the right to stage the 2018 World Cup finals, according to a new book by Sebastian Coe.

Twice Olympic 1,500 metres champion Coe became involved in England's bid after leading London's successful bid in 2005 to hosts this year's Olympic Games.

He was later appointed by Blatter to chair FIFA's Ethics Committee but stepped down from that role to work unpaid to help bring the World Cup back to England for the first time since 1966.

But, he says, almost from the start of his involvement he felt the bid was doomed to fail.

...

Against this background, says Coe, his "instincts" were that Blatter always wanted to take the World Cup to Russia, which is what transpired, However, he said, people who believed Blatter wanted that outcome because he hated England were wrong.

"He doesn't. He's Swiss and like a lot of Swiss, he's rather fond of England. He likes the political stability, he likes the pomp and tradition.

"What he always has a problem with is the English game. And from his perspective, its not hard to understand.

"As president of the international federation he sees the unwillingness of English clubs to release players for international duty. He sees the purchasing power of the English game - big name clubs buying up players from all over the world.

"And he sees a national federation, that, at the time of the bid, had no chairman and no chief executive.

"Blatter once said to me 'Your game is run by idiots, its not run by bright people'...I was obviously disappointed, very disappointed."


Link
   598. DA Baracus Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4289237)
I believe him. Blatter is an expert at idiots running things, so he should know.
   599. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4289241)
Lloris will be Spurs #1 for years and years. It's not going to kill him to watch Friedel, one of the great keepers in recent history, for a few more games.

No, but it might kill me.
It won't kill anyone, but that's hardly a useful standard. It's entirely obvious that Lloris is the superior keeper. His distribution so much better than Friedel's, and given that the big problem Spurs have had this season is possession breakdowns late in games, a keeper with below average distribution skills is a big problem. Friedel didn't cause Spurs to let the game get away against Southampton, but he was clearly part of the problem. Lloris would be part of the solution.
   600. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 31, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4289247)
I know the FA are run by dolts, but I do think it's funny that Blatter looks at England and sees the wealthiest pro league in the world and the England national team which, along with Brazil and Spain, is the most popular in the world*, and decides, meh, those guys are idiots. Meanwhile, he nearly bankrupted an organization that should be bankrupt-proof.

*based on Kuper's research into this in Soccernomics.
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