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Saturday, September 04, 2010

OT: The Soccer Thread, September 4-17

It is international weekend! And after that, the European Leagues resume. Come here to talk about the world’s most popular sport, and its second best!

RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 04, 2010 at 06:30 PM | 460 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc is the loyal supporter of the MLB event Posted: September 06, 2010 at 07:37 PM (#3634539)
"Soccer is for Communist homos in short pants." -- My older brother, circa 1980s.
   2. puck Posted: September 06, 2010 at 08:36 PM (#3634604)
How much do guys like Eddie Johnson and Damarcus Beasley make for sitting on the bench for top tier teams? You'd think those guys would want to go somewhere they could get playing time, even if they need to go to lower levels of the pyramid. So I assume the money must be good.

You gotta think Johnson's development would have turned out better had he chosen his teams differently, right? He hasn't started club games regularly since the 2007 MLS season, when he was 23. That can't be good.
   3. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 07, 2010 at 12:27 PM (#3634893)
Jonathan Wilson on Gerrard

This should get you Liverpool fans fired up before the match today.
   4. Juan V Posted: September 07, 2010 at 12:32 PM (#3634895)
Houllier to manage Villa.
   5. Juan V Posted: September 07, 2010 at 12:33 PM (#3634896)
From the Wilson column:

and with improvements in general fitness and sports nutrition and the ongoing increase in the pace of the game, the number of players who can cope with the physical demands of the role is decreasing.



Huh?
   6. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 07, 2010 at 12:40 PM (#3634898)
Huh?

I think he's saying it's harder to outwork your opponents now because everyone is pretty fit as opposed to the days when everyone had a cigarette in one hand and a pint in th other.
   7. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 07, 2010 at 02:56 PM (#3634999)
One last desperate grab at cash.

The sooner these jackasses are out of Liverpool, the better. Lots of Liverpool news today for some reason. Kuyt is out a month, too.
   8. Baldrick Posted: September 07, 2010 at 03:10 PM (#3635014)
Welcome to the new digs everyone!

For puck's question, I think the issue is that some of these guys (Johnson and Beasley are good examples) consider themselves top-quality players. If you think you're good enough to play in the EPL, it's tough to sell yourself on taking a transfer to a Belgian second-division side. You're convinced that if you can just get back into form and show them what you're capable of, you'll be able to crack into the higher quality league. Beasley, for example, was a major contributor with Rangers a few years back--playing a prominent role in some big games (including the Champions League). If you've been there, you want to get back, and you might not therefore be the best judge of your own true talent level.
   9. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: September 07, 2010 at 03:16 PM (#3635017)
Never even noticed this thread when it first went up, so my apologies for the post in the other thread.

Switzerland-England in Switzerland should be good if the Swiss don't just defend, but they probably will. Russia-Slovakia is interesting but unfortunately ESPN3 isn't carrying it. Serbia-Slovenia, Turkey-Belgium, Croatia-Greece, Bosnia-Franca, and Norway-Portugal also seem like good games to me. Should be a fun day.
   10. Baldrick Posted: September 07, 2010 at 04:53 PM (#3635128)
Potentially big news for Ireland, with Russia on the verge of losing at home to Slovakia. That was a tough group to get drawn in, but Russia is looking a shadow of the team that made such a splash in 2008. They only got two goals against Andorra, too.
   11. Tuque Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:00 PM (#3635134)
Okay you guys, I used to be ambivalent about soccer, but the World Cup was ####### sweet and now I want to get into the European leagues. How do I? Any web sites? Where can I watch the games? Sorry if this is rehashing a discussion you've had before.
   12. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:02 PM (#3635135)
Okay you guys, I used to be ambivalent about soccer, but the World Cup was ####### sweet and now I want to get into the European leagues. How do I? Any web sites? Where can I watch the games? Sorry if this is rehashing a discussion you've had before.

Fox Soccer Channel and ESPN 2 show English games and Fox Soccer also shows Italian Serie A games. That's probably a good place to start.

edit: Oh, and definitely catch some Champions League games next week.
   13. WillYoung Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:06 PM (#3635139)
Channelsurfing.net is also your friend.
   14. Select Storage Device Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:10 PM (#3635141)
www.veetle.com
www.channelsurfing.net

For those times you want a really terrible feed of Israel v. Malta.
   15. Randy Jones Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:13 PM (#3635147)
Fox Soccer Channel and ESPN 2 show English games and Fox Soccer also shows Italian Serie A games. That's probably a good place to start.

edit: Oh, and definitely catch some Champions League games next week.


GolTV shows La Liga and Bundesliga games. I know with Comcast when we paid for the extra sports package that included Fox Soccer Channel, we also got GolTV and a few other channels.

ESPN3 also has any games that ESPN has rights to, regardless of what they are airing on TV. For instance, the Euro 2012 qualifying games today are on ESPN3. You might be able to access it for free depending on your internet provider, just go to espn3.com and try to log in.
   16. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:13 PM (#3635148)
Russia loses.

Advocaat isn't doing a heck of a lot better than Hiddink was. One wonders if it isn't the coach.
   17. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:18 PM (#3635157)
Hey, this thread works! I just wrote Jim an e-mail claiming it did. Remarkable. Good on me!
   18. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:19 PM (#3635159)
The sooner these jackasses are out of Liverpool, the better. Lots of Liverpool news today for some reason. Kuyt is out a month, too.
Boy, they really screwed Liverpool, it is amazing.
   19. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 05:35 PM (#3635178)
I mentioned in the other thread that I thought Houllier would be a great choice for Villa. But I put him second to Allardyce. If a genie gives me billions to buy a football team, Allardyce would definitely be on the shortlist to be manager.
   20. frannyzoo Posted: September 07, 2010 at 06:44 PM (#3635245)
I've tried to get into "international breaks" the last few years, but still get zero excitement for 99% of these things. Italy v. Faroe Islands? Ireland v. Andorra? Non-Euro 2012 "friendlies" like Mexico v. Colombia?

Outside of some Nelson Muntz "ha...ha" to France and a "will Rooney blow his stack and/or ever score a non-spot kick again?", there's just not that much to get revved up for.

I'm sure I'm wrong about that, and should feel differently...but let's get back to club play, quickly.
   21. sardonic Posted: September 07, 2010 at 06:49 PM (#3635250)
Houllier to manage Villa.


What do people think about Houllier? There were some message board rumors in 2006 that he might be a candidate for the USMNT job that Bob Bradley got (Klinsman and Peckerman were the other names tossed around).
   22. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: September 07, 2010 at 06:53 PM (#3635254)
One of the commentators on ESPN3 for the Norway-Portugal game is unbelievably bad. He over-emphasizes the strangest words.
   23. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: September 07, 2010 at 06:56 PM (#3635256)
I'm sure I'm wrong about that, and should feel differently...but let's get back to club play, quickly.

I feel the opposite. There's just something special about international play for me.
   24. Randy Jones Posted: September 07, 2010 at 06:57 PM (#3635258)
One of the commentators on ESPN3 for the Norway-Portugal game is unbelievably bad. He over-emphasizes the strangest words.


I can't believe the goal that Norway scored. Also, I never knew that John Carew was Norwegian.
   25. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:00 PM (#3635259)
Quick 'meta' question -- what exactly is the benefit of having weekly (or, once every two weeks) soccer threads instead of just one big one? I would think having them all confined to one big thread would be easiest, but maybe there are some complications that I'm not aware of?

Also -- besides using a bookmark, what's the easiest way to find this thread? Using the search function did not work until today, and I'm not sure if it's available by manually searching the newsblog area.

Getting back to the topic -- MLS finally as a legit national game this week, with Real Salt Lake at Seattle on Thursday night. From the handful of times I've seen RSL, they appear to play some real aesthetically-pleasing soccer, probably the most memorable team I can think of. Anyone care to comment on this? Going by a perhaps crude measure of goals scored seems to confirm this, as they currently lead MLS in goals scored and were tied for first last season.
   26. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:02 PM (#3635261)
Club play returns this weekend. I actually enjoy the variety.
   27. Randy Jones Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:08 PM (#3635266)
Getting back to the topic -- MLS finally as a legit national game this week, with Real Salt Lake at Seattle on Thursday night. From the handful of times I've seen RSL, they appear to play some real aesthetically-pleasing soccer, probably the most memorable team I can think of. Anyone care to comment on this? Going by a perhaps crude measure of goals scored seems to confirm this, as they currently lead MLS in goals scored and were tied for first last season.


I just can't watch MLS, it's like watching high school baseball. Also, Thursday night? As in the first night of the NFL season? That is some poor planning.
   28. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:25 PM (#3635279)
Having spent a decade in Europe, MLS takes getting used to, but it has definitely improved. No, it isn't the Champions League, but then neither is Serie A, the Premier League or La Liga.

MLS sets its schedule well before the NFL releases theirs. I would also tend to think that there isn't a huge overlap in the target markets for the Seahawks and the Sounders.
   29. puck Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:33 PM (#3635288)
MLS regularly plays Thursday night. ESPN used to do a different night (Friday?) but bumped to Thursday. But yeah, this week, that's not so good.

And c'mon, it's much better than high school baseball. It's like some level of minor league ball. I think it would be better if they didn't allow so much fouling. You already have relative trouble with first touches, passing accuracy, and all that, and you allow defenders lots of leeway in pushing the quick guys off the ball? I know Americans like tough guys, but it seems like the wrong decision aesthetically.
   30. Randy Jones Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:35 PM (#3635289)
MLS sets its schedule well before the NFL releases theirs. I would also tend to think that there isn't a huge overlap in the target markets for the Seahawks and the Sounders.


Yeah, but everyone knows that the NFL starts their season with a single game on the Thursday after Labor day and generally schedules a big game for that night(Last couple years it's been the reigning SB champs vs another playoff team from the year before).

EDIT: You're right that I wasn't really being fair to the level of play in the MLS. It has improved markedly over the years, but it is still just far, far below that of the South American leagues or the lesser European leagues, let alone the big 4 European leagues.
   31. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:35 PM (#3635290)
Quick 'meta' question -- what exactly is the benefit of having weekly (or, once every two weeks) soccer threads instead of just one big one? I would think having them all confined to one big thread would be easiest, but maybe there are some complications that I'm not aware of?
I've no idea, but Jim expressed a preference for this, so I assume it works better on a techincal level.

MLS sets its schedule well before the NFL releases theirs. I would also tend to think that there isn't a huge overlap in the target markets for the Seahawks and the Sounders
That being said, this has been the traditional opening week of the NFL for a couple of years now. Poor planning by MLS.
   32. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:43 PM (#3635300)
Quick 'meta' question -- what exactly is the benefit of having weekly (or, once every two weeks) soccer threads instead of just one big one? I would think having them all confined to one big thread would be easiest, but maybe there are some complications that I'm not aware of?
I agree. I wish we were still in the big thread. That was an excellent thread, entirely civil and on-topic. I learned a lot. I don't think commenting on it has been closed, we could still migrate back there if we wanted.

England are playing well tonight, comfortably within themselves. Scotland and Ireland are struggling against minnows.

Meanwhile the disintegration of Czech football continues apace. I have a Czech co-worker who I tease about this, but in all seriousness what is happening? Is this purely cyclical? And Slovakia are going great guns which must really sting.
   33. Gaelan Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:48 PM (#3635308)
That thread, combined with unprecedented access to televised club football, has sparked a maintenance of world cup fever that has never happened for me before. For that I am thankful. Also, for what it is worth, Alou's analysis of the game has been quite excellent, and the general back and forth from the seasoned fans here is as good as anything I've read by the paid writers.
   34. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:55 PM (#3635313)
And if any of you can make it to NYC, Kinsale's this Saturday is the place for a soccer viewing marathon. I'm going to wiki a bunch of obscure clubs and see if I can stump ursus.
   35. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:56 PM (#3635316)
When are we planning to start?

Because my son has his first (baseball) game of the fall season that afternoon.
   36. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 07, 2010 at 07:59 PM (#3635320)
When are we planning to start?

I'll be there no later than 9:45 or so to be in position for the Spurs match. I will most likely be there earlier, though. Do they serve breakfast or should I bagel up before coming?
   37. SoSH U at work Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:00 PM (#3635321)
Can the soccer talk be limited to one thread?
   38. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:01 PM (#3635322)
Can the soccer talk be limited to one thread?

Nope. It's uncontainable.
   39. Swedish Chef Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:02 PM (#3635325)
Meanwhile the disintegration of Czech football continues apace.

Could be worse, they could be where Bulgaria is now.
   40. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:02 PM (#3635329)
For the National Side? Pavel Nedved retired.

And I broadly agree with Wilson on Gerrard. He's also right about Owen, it's why all the strikers like Earnshaw who in in past years would probably have decent top flight careers are stuck in the Championship - they are not effective as lone strikers.
   41. Randy Jones Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:03 PM (#3635330)
And if any of you can make it to NYC, Kinsale's this Saturday is the place for a soccer viewing marathon. I'm going to wiki a bunch of obscure clubs and see if I can stump ursus.


I generally go to Nevada Smiths because I am too lazy to go uptown, but I would consider heading up to Kinsale.

Edit: I just read some comments on Kinsale that said they don't serve alcohol before noon? Can anyone confirm that, because Nevada Smiths does or at least did last year. What's the point of getting up early on Sat morning to watch soccer if you can't get drunk while you do it?
   42. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:05 PM (#3635334)
Alou, the Czech Republic only has about 10 million people, and football is at best tied with ice hockey as the most popular sport. It is tremendously difficult for any country in those conditions to maintain a place at the top table over time (see, e.g., Ireland, Romania, Bulgaria and whichever of the Nordics you care to pick).

They are always relying on a "golden generation" coming through, and it sometimes happens that those who would have garnered that mention for Czechosolvakia happen to be Slovak.
   43. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:07 PM (#3635339)
Kinsale's used to serve both breakfast and alcohol, but my understanding is that the authorities have been cracking down on the latter (see, e.g., NS being shuttered a while back).
   44. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:11 PM (#3635346)
Will this be the bottoming out for Scottish soccer? Holy crap!
   45. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:12 PM (#3635348)
Bugger, Defoe's knacked himself.
   46. Swedish Chef Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:13 PM (#3635351)
It is tremendously difficult for any country in those conditions to maintain a place at the top table over time (see, e.g., Ireland, Romania, Bulgaria and whichever of the Nordics you care to pick).

Except former Yugoslavia, apparently that can be subdivided endlessly and still have good national teams.
   47. puck Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:16 PM (#3635355)
That being said, this has been the traditional opening week of the NFL for a couple of years now. Poor planning by MLS.


Does MLS set the schedule? I assume ESPN is the driver here.
   48. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3635365)
I never really knew that he could shoot like this
He make a fan want to speak Swiss
Wie heisst du? Liebschen, mein Mannschaft, dein Mannschaft...
Shaqiri Shaqiri
   49. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3635366)
Chef, both Croatia and Serbia have gone through relative droughts since independence, and the Slovenes' results resemble Triglav in profile. It's also the case that football is still the dominant sport in both Croatia and Serbia (though basketball is increasingly popular). One of the many striking aspects of Slovenia's performance is that Alpine sports and basketball are both traditionally more popular than football.
   50. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:25 PM (#3635371)
And if any of you can make it to NYC, Kinsale's this Saturday is the place for a soccer viewing marathon. I'm going to wiki a bunch of obscure clubs and see if I can stump ursus.
I'm tentative for that, weather depending. But I don't know if I can go for it if they don't serve booze. That's a crucial part of getting me out of bed at that hour.
   51. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:27 PM (#3635377)
Both countries also benefit from immigration, e.g. Croatia features both Australian ans Swiss born players in their squads. And in Croatia's case a Brazilian.
   52. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:33 PM (#3635381)
By the way ursus by the disintegration of Czech football I didn't mean the fact they're not reaching tournament finals and such. I mean the fact that they just lost at home to Lithuania, their champions got easily beaten by Zilina in the Champions League qualifying, etc. Of course their past success was unsustainable. However, they still have plenty of good players, yet they are rubbish.
   53. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:36 PM (#3635388)
Speaking of rubbish, Portugal lose to Norway. 1 point from their first two games.
   54. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:41 PM (#3635395)
Alou, that's fair. They are underachieving with the talent they have, but I think that part of that is down to them hanging on to long to the previous generation. Club teams are a less accurate barometer given how many of their best players are abroad (especially since the gravy train at Sparta came to a halt).
   55. Randy Jones Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:43 PM (#3635398)
Speaking of rubbish, Portugal lose to Norway. 1 point from their first two games.


No Ronaldo. Also the goal they gave up was on a terrible misplay by Eduardo, surprising giving how good he was in the WC.
   56. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:44 PM (#3635399)
I actually think the shenanigoats with the coach may be a bigger thing than the absence of Ronaldo. They are really in a chaotic state there.

Incidentally, great stat: the attendance at Hampden tonight is greater than the entire population of Liechtenstein. Yet the score is 1-1.
   57. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:45 PM (#3635401)
Alou, you just need to get Shakira to cover your song and you'll be golden.

Have your people talk to her people.
   58. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:53 PM (#3635408)
Alou, you just need to get Shakira to cover your song and you'll be golden.

Have your people talk to her people.
Or find the Swiss Shakira, that's even better!
   59. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:56 PM (#3635413)
Michelle Hunziker is the woman for the job.

She could even get Eros Ramazzotti to do backup vocals.
   60. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:57 PM (#3635414)
Scotland score 6:30 into 5 minutes of stoppage time.
   61. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 08:58 PM (#3635417)
Nooooooo. Damn you Stephen McManus.
   62. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:00 PM (#3635419)
He's just pulled their deep-fried Mars bar out of the fire.

Gutted for the Liechtensteiners. All 789 of them.
   63. Tuque Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:04 PM (#3635422)
Hey, this is a little late (I was busy whoring myself out on Craigslist all day) but thanks a lot, you guys, I'll check those channels/sites out.

Edit: I am now watching what channelsurfing says is "Argentina vs. Spain." I have no idea as to the level/significance of this game, though, and they're speaking Spanish so the announcers aren't helping me any.
   64. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:06 PM (#3635425)
Scotland score 6:30 into 5 minutes of stoppage time.
Luckily for them and the fans, they would have been there all night if they had to!
   65. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:11 PM (#3635428)
Argentina vs Spain is a friendly, Tuque. Like an exhibition, nothing riding on the game. As for the level, it's some of the best players in the world. Both teams seem to have used roughly speaking their first-choice lineups.
   66. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:11 PM (#3635429)
Argentina - Spain is a friendly, though the Argentines are certainly taking it seriously.
   67. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:15 PM (#3635432)
If only Maradona had let this team play in South Africa . . .
   68. Tuque Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:18 PM (#3635434)
Oh, okay, cool. I've played enough EA FIFA video games to know what a friendly is. I didn't know it was their best players though - that makes it a little odd that Spain is getting its ass kicked so badly. And where's Puyol? I can't find his butt-rock hair anywhere on the (itty bitty) screen here.

(okay, I'll stop asking stupid questions now)
   69. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:18 PM (#3635435)
Maradona is a nincompoop who managed to find exactly the right tactics to make Messi a central midfielder, which is notable achievement.

Spain are 50/50 first choice/reserves. Reina would arguably be their 3rd choice keeper, for example. And Argentina would always be fired up for this game playing against it's former colonial master and all.
   70. Biff isn't really an apt handle anymore Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:22 PM (#3635437)
Argentina vs Spain is a friendly, Tuque. Like an exhibition, nothing riding on the game. As for the level, it's some of the best players in the world. Both teams seem to have used roughly speaking their first-choice lineups.

Seems like Spain is running mostly backups on their defense, though, and Xavi didn't start.
   71. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:35 PM (#3635446)
Yeah, Pique is the only legitimate starter on the back line, though I can't help but think that Del Bosque's mass substitutions were somewhat influenced by the scoreline.
   72. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 09:37 PM (#3635447)
I know, I said roughly. 6 of Spain's starters played in the World Cup final, and Silva started their opening game of the World Cup then lost his place. Arguably they started with 7/11ths of their first-choice team. And all the subs they've made played in the World Cup final, except Cazoria and Valdes.

Presumably they wanted to give lots of players 45 mins so as not to upset the clubs, and so they've spread things out over both halves.
   73. Textbook Editor Posted: September 07, 2010 at 10:15 PM (#3635462)
So if Ireland can some away with a win over Russia at home and a draw against Slovakia, that would leave them in pretty good shape, right? And 2 wins pretty much puts them firmly in the driver's seat for the group?

I'm upset they didn't get more goals against Andorra, since GD might be useful down the road, but Russia's loss to Slovakia really opens the door up, I think, for them to play for a group win instead of a 2nd place scrum.
   74. Baldrick Posted: September 07, 2010 at 10:15 PM (#3635463)
The Guardian has pretty good coverage. I sign up for their RSS feed and it gives you a nice mix of news + commentary. Their podcast is also a good way of rounding up the big stories and getting some (occasionally clever but usually at least interesting) comments.

Frankly, just coming by this thread fairly regularly is a pretty good start. It's the best place for discussion I've found yet - probably because it has none of the usual idiocy that comes with football commenters. Some of the folks here are very very smart, and have a lot of good things to say, plus no one is going to make fun of you for asking questions.

Scotland are at the top of their group right now. If you can believe it.

One great stat from that game: the size of the CROWD was larger than the entire population of Liechtenstein.
   75. ursus arctos Posted: September 07, 2010 at 10:22 PM (#3635472)
Goal difference against Andorra is unlikely to come into the final equation, because only results against the top five teams in the group are taken into account when determining who makes the playoffs.

It's much too early to be talking about driver's seats. A lot will happen over the course of the next 13 months.
   76. Mark Edward Posted: September 07, 2010 at 10:28 PM (#3635479)
Nery Castillo has not been the exciting, game-changing pickup I thought he would be for the Fire. I know he hasn't played in, like, a year, but he's been completely non-existant for Chicago. At least Blanco potted a goal once in a while.

On the other hand, Sean Johnson was pretty great against the Galaxy. He's looking like a really good goalie, once he gets more confidence.
   77. Juan V Posted: September 07, 2010 at 10:49 PM (#3635496)
Speaking of rubbish, Portugal lose to Norway. 1 point from their first two games.


Vasco da Gama! Prince Henry! Luis De Camoes can you hear me? Your boys took a hell of a beating!! Your boys took a hell of a beating!!
   78. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: September 07, 2010 at 11:41 PM (#3635542)
Queiroz is.... not a good manager.
   79. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 07, 2010 at 11:47 PM (#3635551)
Maybe so, BFFB, but doesn't the fact that they're falling apart when he's not there redound to his credit? It's very hard to blame him for the current situation. This is totally on the Portuguese FA and their supine behaviour.

EDIT: I should point out, I hold no candle for Queiroz. I don't rate him at all. But he did do a good job at the World Cup, and clearly he's not responsible for the current disaster because he's not in charge right now.
   80. frannyzoo Posted: September 07, 2010 at 11:54 PM (#3635557)
Okay, we've muddled through that international rot...Hoffenheim hosts Schalke in about 60 hours.

It will be interesting to see if the new, transfer-improved Schalke can rise from the depths of losing to Hannover at home.

And in other Bundesliga news, I will unfortunately be out of town and miss Bayern/Werder...go Green (especially against the Evil Empire).

Lastly, Everton really do need at least a point at home against the English Evil Empire, no?
   81. Juan V Posted: September 07, 2010 at 11:54 PM (#3635558)
Brian Laudrup has lymphoma

:-(

Also, "former Chelsea star"? Wasn't he at Stamford Bridge for like a month?
   82. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 08, 2010 at 12:08 AM (#3635569)
Yeah, but it sounds better than "younger brother of actual star." He was a talented player but he never really put it together for any period of time, which is why he bounced around so much. Biggest success was at Rangers, which kinda says it all - it was a stronger league and team in those days, but still. The Laudrups are basically the equivalent of the Waners - one superduperstar and one decent enough player, but people get confused and put them on the same pedestal. Like hell he's one of the Top 100 living players.
   83. Juan V Posted: September 08, 2010 at 12:17 AM (#3635580)
Well, my beef was mostly with the Chelsea part. It could have been "former Rangers star" or "former Bayern star". Or even "former Danish star", as he's mostly remembered for his work with the NT.
   84. Elston Gunn Posted: September 08, 2010 at 02:03 AM (#3635676)
Reina would arguably be their 3rd choice keeper, for example.


You, sir, have offended my honor. *gloveslap*

[Granted, few-week period where Pepe's made a couple horrible errors may not be the best time to bring this up.]
   85. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Molina Posted: September 08, 2010 at 02:27 AM (#3635685)
(okay, I'll stop asking stupid questions now)


Please don't. Saves me the stigma of being the only one.
   86. ursus arctos Posted: September 08, 2010 at 11:44 AM (#3635795)
Excellent analogy by Alou on the Laudrups, particularly if you only consider their club career (Brian had a good career with Denmark, the primary reason he won four Danish Footballer of the Year titles).

Michael's nephew (Brian's son) Mads will be making his debut for Denmark soon, which will make the Laudrups a three-generation national team family (Michael and Brian's father Finn played quite a few games for Denmark).

Best of luck to him.
   87. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: September 08, 2010 at 12:13 PM (#3635805)
ua,

According to wikipedia, Mads is Michael's son and Brian's nephew. It also says he's got a younger son Andreas who also has been often capped at the youth level for Denmark. Finally apparently Brian's son Nicolai also plays, but not as well and played soccer while attending North Carolina Wesleyan here in the states.
   88. Tuque Posted: September 08, 2010 at 02:42 PM (#3635893)
Well, okay. What games should I pay attention to today then?
   89. ursus arctos Posted: September 08, 2010 at 04:00 PM (#3635967)
Voros, you're right. I was posting from my phone and got the predicates confused in my second paragraph. Mads is Michael's son and has been a star of the Danish youth teams for several years. I think that he is the current captain of the U21s and should get his first full cap as soon as the current Euro U-21 Championships (which Denmark are hosting) are completed in 2011.

Chicharito Hernandez of Manchester United and Mexico is another member of the three-generation club.

TUQUE, it's relatively slim pickings today. Chicago-Toronto and Brazilian Serie A tonight (and one Copa Sudamericana match), an early round of the Copa del Rey in Spain, the South African league, and some lower division action in the Nordics.
   90. Baldrick Posted: September 08, 2010 at 04:02 PM (#3635973)
Nothing going on today. It's the down period at the end of the international break.

First good game will be Friday afternoon when Hoffenheim play Schalke in the German league.
   91. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 08, 2010 at 07:56 PM (#3636267)
I did not know that about Javier Hernandez, but you're right, his father and grandfather were both full internationals.

Are there any others?
   92. ursus arctos Posted: September 08, 2010 at 08:24 PM (#3636305)
It's possible that there are some others, but I don't know of any.

Paolo Maldini's son has done well in the Milan youth setup, but is only 15 or so.
   93. Mattbert Posted: September 08, 2010 at 09:39 PM (#3636383)
Spurs have a game on Yom Kippur for the first time in a while...

Tottenham Chutzpah!
   94. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: September 08, 2010 at 10:09 PM (#3636418)
Busquets is a two generation footballer, his father also played. Zidane has a son who plays in the Madrid youth system and is supposedly highly though of and another Barcelona second generation footballer is Bojan Krkic. Seydou Keita is also the nephew of Salif Keita who was a very good footballer and Malian international. Mohammed Sissoko is another one of his nephews.
   95. ursus arctos Posted: September 08, 2010 at 10:29 PM (#3636437)
An extensive (but not exhaustive) Wiki on "footballing families"/

There's a story going around that Enzo Zidane may choose to play for Spain (where he lives) rather than France, should he have the opportunity.
   96. Select Storage Device Posted: September 09, 2010 at 12:18 AM (#3636518)
Watching the trailer for Blue Moon Rising, I realized every soccer movie I have ever seen, documentary or otherwise, is about a particularly rabid/stupid/deadly sect of fans, a bunch of brats triumphing over suburban fascism, and Shaolin Soccer.

The Damned United was pretty alright, though.

Pretty new to following the EPL, but Blue Moon is analogous to, say, a film about Miami Heat fans. No one wants to see that. Plus, can you imagine sweaty slo-mo Carlos Tevez in IMAX? Not safe for the little ones.
   97. Juan V Posted: September 09, 2010 at 12:31 AM (#3636520)
A footballing family not included in the Wiki link: Venezuela's Carlos and Giancarlo Maldonado (father and son). Both full internationals, and Giancarlo is Venezuela's all time top goalscorer.
   98. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: September 09, 2010 at 02:45 AM (#3636596)
Tottenham Chutzpah!
That must be an old joke, but it is pretty funny on first hearing.
   99. Mattbert Posted: September 09, 2010 at 08:17 AM (#3636687)
Latest on Defoe's ankle injury is that he'll be sidelined for a similar period of time to Dawson: 6-8 weeks. Honestly, if our guys can't go on England duty without coming back crocked, I vote Harry stops letting Capello share his toys.

RB: Yeah, it's an old joke. Usually gets dusted off whenever the fixtures around Yom Kippur come up.
   100. Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: September 09, 2010 at 08:26 AM (#3636690)
Nery Castillo has not been the exciting, game-changing pickup I thought he would be for the Fire. I know he hasn't played in, like, a year, but he's been completely non-existant for Chicago.
The number of teams he's burned is truly remarkable. You'd think at some point people would stop wanting him around, but he just goes from country to country getting paid huge salaries to accomplish nothing.

Freddy Adu needs to latch on with Castillo's agent.
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