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Friday, October 20, 2017

OT: Winter Soccer Thread

November 4 Borussia Dortmund v. Bayern Munich
November 5 Chelsea v. ManU
November 9 & 12 - Northern Ireland v. Switzerland/Croatia v. Greece
November 10 &  13 - Sweden v. Italy
November 11 & 14 - Denmark v. Ireland
November 10 & 15 - Honduras v. Australia
November 11 & 15 - New Zealand v. Peru
November 14 - Portugal v. USA (friendly #&!^#&)
December 1 - Napoli v. Juventus
December 10 - ManU v. ManCity
December 11 - Champions League Round of 16 draw
December 20 - Real Madrid v. Barcelona (how contentious will this be given the political climate?)

Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 20, 2017 at 05:27 PM | 197 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mefisto Posted: October 21, 2017 at 10:15 AM (#5559499)
   2. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 21, 2017 at 10:36 AM (#5559505)
That’s a terrific goal. Nice to see someone attack the corner like that.

Huddersfield up 2 goals on ManU 35 minutes in. The score flatters them but I think they’ve been good. United haven’t really created a lot that I’ve seen. Huddersfield have been well organized.
   3. OPS+ Posted: October 21, 2017 at 10:36 AM (#5559506)
Man U have given up as many goals in a five minute stretch against Huddlefield as they had all season.
   4. Mefisto Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5559587)
That was impressive defense by Huddersfield. And some poor offense by United.

Poor Watford -- they deserved better.
   5. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:38 PM (#5559588)
The hell did this thread come from?
   6. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:39 PM (#5559589)
   7. RMc's Unenviable Situation Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:14 PM (#5559651)
The last time Huddersfield beat Man U, Winston Churchill was PM. (And Harry Truman was president.)
   8. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:51 PM (#5559681)
Sorry CoB. My baseball team is no more for this season so I have free time.
   9. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:56 PM (#5559687)
No worries, just wasn't expecting a new thread mid-month!

;)
   10. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:58 PM (#5559693)
Felt like we should have one for the upcoming international break with the final World Cup spots, draw, etc....coming and I’m going on vacation in two weeks and was bored at work the other day.
   11. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 22, 2017 at 10:16 AM (#5560069)
Koeman has to go. This has been horrendous.
   12. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5560074)
Bring it on Spurs!
   13. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM (#5560075)
####### 'Arry Kane.
   14. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:06 AM (#5560076)
Well, you did request that it be brought ...

In any case, a very long time to go in the match.
   15. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:11 AM (#5560077)
Dejan Lovren is such a piece of ####.
   16. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:12 AM (#5560078)
Huh ... Kane gives as good as he gets!
   17. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:13 AM (#5560079)
*Still* a very long time to go in the match ...
   18. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:17 AM (#5560081)
Tottenham is entirely controlling this game through the first 17 minutes.
   19. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5560082)
That shot of the bar by Son, this would be out of sight.
   20. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:23 AM (#5560084)
When did Diego Maradona start morphing into Danny Devito?
   21. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:24 AM (#5560085)
SALAH IS SO FAST.
   22. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:24 AM (#5560087)
Like I said ... very long time ... should have scored the 3rd.
   23. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:26 AM (#5560088)
Lovren getting subbed out already, Ox coming in as his replacement. Does this mean that Can will drop back to CB?
   24. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:29 AM (#5560089)
SWEEP THE ####### LEG, DAMMIT.
   25. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:29 AM (#5560090)
Lovren is having a terrible horrible no good very bad day. He's really lucky he didn't accidentally put that into his own goal.
   26. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:32 AM (#5560093)
At least Lovren got a decent stop on that last Kane effort before getting taken off.

Great play there by Lloris to get to that cross and prevent an equalizer.
   27. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:47 AM (#5560096)
This has been a lot of fun to watch, especially once Liverpool stopped kicking themselves in the balls quite so much.

But ugh, what a way to end the half. :(
   28. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 11:49 AM (#5560099)
We've got Alli ... Dele Alli!
   29. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:14 PM (#5560103)
Oh blerg.
   30. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:16 PM (#5560104)
Poor Janny Verts just can't get his goal.

HOW ABOUT THAT WEMBLEY CURSE?!?!?!?
   31. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:18 PM (#5560105)
HE'S JUST A ONE SEASON WONDER!
   32. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5560112)
I’m amazed that Vertonghen hasn’t scored for that long. I always expect a big center back like that to get a couple of goals a year on set piece headers and it’s not like Spurs don’t score quite a few goals.
   33. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM (#5560118)
Pochettino's lethargy in substitutions pisses me off.

Up 4-1, this was a perfect time for rest and bringing players up to speed.
   34. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5560119)
From The Guardian's MBM:


90 min Harry Winks has had another fine game in midfield, both with and without the ball. He looks a player.
   35. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5560122)
Uh, I was TERRIFIED of this match going in.

4-1 is an outcome I would NEVER have predicted, unless it would have been in Liverpool's favor.

Wow.
   36. esseff Posted: October 22, 2017 at 05:31 PM (#5560177)
Match of the day?: Ten-man PSG ties Marseille late in stoppage time after Neymar is ejected.
   37. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 05:41 PM (#5560179)
Is Koeman out?

I have to think he's out ...
   38. ursus arctos Posted: October 23, 2017 at 08:58 AM (#5560260)
   39. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 23, 2017 at 09:19 AM (#5560268)
The real surprise with Everton is that Lukaku stayed there as long as he did.
   40. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 23, 2017 at 10:37 AM (#5560313)
I think Lukaku wanted to make sure he would be the everyday starter on a big team. Zlatan getting hurt opened up United’s spot (Diego costa being Diego costa also opened up chelsea’s Spot too).
   41. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: October 23, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5560423)
I'm probably putting two and two together to get five, but any chance Lovren's bizarre play relates to his painkiller usage?
   42. The Marksist Posted: October 23, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5560479)
[posted in the old thread]

First: great game, Spurs. Deconstructed Liverpool; well done.

Second, there are so many things going wrong at Liverpool right now that it's hard to know where to start. There are four categories of problem, IMO: personnel/recruitment, individual errors, collective errors, and tactics. Maybe the can't be separated cleanly, but that's where my brain is at. It's clear that the summer was a bigger miss than I thought. Not getting a competent center back looks really bad now. The lack of a midfielder I can mostly overlook (more on this later), and the attacking corps looks fine to me. Bottom line is that there are several starters who aren't good enough, mostly because the top of the Premier League is so damn competitive.

Then we have those players making mistakes, which, if they're not good enough seems natural. Only so much of this is on the players. Klopp is not putting them in position to succeed. I feel similarly about the collective errors, so let's consider them results of same root issue: players out of their depth. Which, there's a direct line back to recruitment here as well. So.

Finally, there are small but important tactical differences from last year, too. It's obvious from some of the numbers that the press is neither as high nor as hard this year. And if Klopp doesn't have his team pressing high and hard, what's the point of Klopp? I can forgive some of it because I'm sure he had visions of competing on three fronts, so taking your foot off the gas a little to save legs is a defensible idea. But it appears that fraction of a difference is enough to send the whole setup into a tailspin. Either that, or we were more lucky than good last year and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

On a completely unrelated note, can someone give me something to feel cheerful about? Thanks in advance.
   43. Mefisto Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5560566)
I think you're much too hard on LFC. They are, after all, just one week past a draw with United which they should have won. They're comfortable in the Champions League (which they should be, given their draw).

I think the criticisms you make are fair enough IF you assume that they have their best 11 out there. They don't. Mane, in particular, is a huge miss. I see Klopp as taking a small page from Pep: if your offense is really good, you don't need defense as much. The back line, which was awful over the weekend, wouldn't look so bad if there were more offensive pressure on the opponent.

From my vantage point, I see LFC's weakness as one of depth, not of front line talent or coaching. Hell, United look pretty ordinary when missing Pogba, Fellaini, and Carrick in the midfield. And I'm not sure Lovren had a worse game than Lindelof. It's really hard to construct a team with zero weakness.
   44. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5560582)
I think Liverpool did overperform a bit last year. Firmino is good but I'm not sure he's quite up to snuff, yet. He feels a bit more like Son to me, a guy that is great to start a number of games and maybe be the #2 striker with some starts on the wing, but you don't quite want being your striker you're asking to go get you 20 goals a season. Keeper is still a weak spot for them.

They seem like a team that could really use Alexis Sanchez, if that worked out. I'm not sure if he'll see that as more than a lateral move in the winter, though, if Liverpool don't start playing better.

I agree it doesn't seem like Liverpool are playing as frenzied and athletic a pace this year. Liverpool is a weird team, I really like a lot of their midfielders and attacker, but they're still a young, inconsistent team.
   45. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 25, 2017 at 02:57 PM (#5562000)
It's The Caribou Cup!!!
   46. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 25, 2017 at 03:09 PM (#5562008)
Well, if Sissoko's gonna start scoring ... you better watch yer asses ...
   47. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 25, 2017 at 03:39 PM (#5562039)
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee've got Alli!
   48. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 25, 2017 at 05:47 PM (#5562152)
Well, that'll teach me for taking a nap at half-time ... hopefully, Spurs too ...

Strewth ...
   49. ckash Posted: October 25, 2017 at 07:21 PM (#5562190)
Kid Soccer update:

First official games in 2 weeks. First game split between Forward and Left Back - a win. As a LB she dispossessed a much larger opposing attacker of the ball and was absolutely crushed when the player bulldozed her trying to recover the ball. After the game her coach held her evaluation - praised her for her coach-ability, that he never has to correct her twice, and how selfless she is on the field. Explained to her that it's a big deal for a 10 year old to play big minutes on a u13 team and that he has complete faith in her when she plays defense, and her moment as a full-time forward will come when the older girls move on next year.

2nd game of the week - started as a forward and played well. In the 20th minute her team had a corner and in the ensuing scramble in front of net she took a teammate's shot off the head. It hit her so hard she fell to the ground and bounced back up in one motion. Her coach immediately subbed her out and had me come to the sideline. She was crying and on the verge of hyperventilating. She never lost consciousness but coach did not put her back in and after the game said she could not play that day's 2nd game. She ate a little lunch and was very quiet but insisted she wanted to support her teammates in the next game, so we drove her to it and she sat on the bench and cheered them on. Afterwards we took her home and made a doctor's appointment for Monday. Doctor confirmed a concussion and she will miss the season finale this coming weekend. She'll miss school all week and won't be allowed to do even the bare minimum of athletic activity for another 2 weeks. Doctor thinks she can do futsal when it starts in mid-November but I'm thinking of having her wait until after the New Year. She's recovering a little bit day by day and we are hopeful she can go back to school next week.
   50. I am going to be Frank Posted: October 25, 2017 at 07:54 PM (#5562198)
ckash: best wishes to your daughter and to a quick and full recovery.

Lovren is the indisputable starter for Liverpool (at least he was). Lindelof is young and wouldn't be playing in the league if one of Bailly, Rojo or Jones were healthy. Lovren could have had a lot worse game, but he was so bad he got subbed off 30 minutes in. Hasn't the Liverpool problem been the same for for a while now? The way Klopp sets up puts a lot of pressure on backline, and they aren't good enough to handle it. He could try and mitigate it either by changing his style or telling his midfielders to cover more. He doesn't want to.

Liverpool can't compete with City, Man U or Chelsea to get the top level offensive talent. They have to hope they hit, like they did with Mane or develop someone like Alli or Kane. We can talk about what Pochettino has done, and all the smart buys Levy has made, but Spurs are fighting for the top because they managed to produce two generational talents in quick succession.
   51. The Marksist Posted: October 25, 2017 at 08:21 PM (#5562229)
Oof, ckash. Hope she's right as rain ASAP.

Re: Liverpool, I'm probably overreacting to a (very) bad game, but it's frustrating as hell to see the same problems and mistakes over and over. I agree that Klopp clearly doesn't want to change his plan and protect his center backs more, but when the press isn't working, everything falls apart. I'm 100% fine trading a high-octane offense and shot suppression for an increase in opponent chance quality when they do break through, but right now the shot suppression has evaporated. So the question becomes, why isn't the press working? Is it just Salah in and Lallana out? I doubt that, but I'm at a loss for another explanation.
   52. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 25, 2017 at 08:34 PM (#5562243)
Liverpool can't compete with City, Man U or Chelsea to get the top level offensive talent. They have to hope they hit, like they did with Mane or develop someone like Alli or Kane. We can talk about what Pochettino has done, and all the smart buys Levy has made, but Spurs are fighting for the top because they managed to produce two generational talents in quick succession.

I think it's more than that. I think Tottenham are stronger across the field. Coutinho and Mane are frightening when they're at their best. Now, they're more like Eriksen/Alli, and the Spurs still have Kane winning Golden Boots. But I really think the biggest difference is the Spurs are a more physical team, have a really strong back central defense (including Dier and even Dembele a bit here), and they have a really good keeper. This is a golden generation for Tottenham, to be sure
   53. Textbook Editor Posted: October 25, 2017 at 08:58 PM (#5562281)
ckash--so sorry to hear that about your daughter; I echo everyone else in hoping she has a full recovery ASAP, but I think you're right in being cautious until after the new year. There's a good reason to be extra cautious, as concussions are no joke, and I'm glad to hear your daughter's coach didn't mess around and just pulled her out and kept her out. Again, best wishes for a speedy and full recovery.
   54. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: October 25, 2017 at 10:14 PM (#5562354)
Yeah, overcautious with concussions is the right call. Best wishes for her. With the holidays hopefully there will be some scheduled time off anyway so it won’t feel like she’s missing too much.
   55. Howie Menckel Posted: October 25, 2017 at 10:31 PM (#5562394)
a nephew of mine was a freshman when he scored his team's only (and winning) goal of the HS varsity's season opener.

got a concussion the next game, was properly sidelined, a couple of other mishaps in the next year or so, he developed new interests, and that was it.

FF to him doing serious undergrad work on medical concussions. FF further, and he's now a 4th-year medical graduate student considering working in pediatric medicine.

#whenadoorcloses

lots of decisions to make, but even soccer is just a game, and allow your daughter some space if she wants it. keep in mind that she may feel she has to rush back to please her parents. a very tough read at that age, but likely helpful if she feels she has no-pressure options......
   56. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 27, 2017 at 08:26 AM (#5563361)
Kane out for tomorrow's match against United (and, I'm guessing for Madrid mid-week).

That is ... sub-optimal.
   57. OPS+ Posted: October 27, 2017 at 10:09 AM (#5563413)
Kane out for tomorrow's match against United (and, I'm guessing for Madrid mid-week).

That is ... sub-optimal.


My hope is they're being cautious by keeping him out this weekend, so they can make sure that he'll be ready for Madrid.
   58. Textbook Editor Posted: October 27, 2017 at 01:55 PM (#5563654)
My hope is they're being cautious by keeping him out this weekend, so they can make sure that he'll be ready for Madrid.


+1

I think, on balance, the Madrid game is more important. In theory, with a win they have a very real shot at topping the group, which would lead to a seeded draw position for the Round of 16 draw, and quite possibly a far easier path to the QF--a place they've only been to once in the CL era... It's a pretty big deal, and worth sacrificing the ManU game if need be.

He'll get an additional break during the week around the UEFA WC playoff games, but I do think they intend on managing Kane's playing time more this year than in the past. He's had a lotta wear on the tires the last 2+ years and also has a WC coming up which means no break over the summer...

What will be interesting to see if if they go with Llorente up top tomorrow solo, or pair him with Son, or if they do something out of the box and try Alli up top (Alli is also back from CL suspension for next week's game against RM, adding a wrinkle that wasn't there in the last game).

I sort of half-expect Mourinho to turtle up tomorrow and go for the 0-0 (even though it's at home), but who the hell knows.
   59. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 28, 2017 at 10:00 AM (#5564288)
Fair 3 points for United, they were the better side in the 2nd half.

I think Wednesday could get ugly, I don't think Kane will be 100%, even if he plays.

   60. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 28, 2017 at 04:50 PM (#5564409)
Pochettino, after the game, on Kane:

“We'll see, we'll see in the next few days if he can arrive and if he will be available to play against Real Madrid. We need to assess him tomorrow and after tomorrow and then take a decision.”


Yeah, no. He's not gonna play mid-week.

Maybe, he's back for Palace.
   61. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: October 29, 2017 at 12:26 AM (#5564756)
They really don't need a point against Real at home, and realistically they should be able to scratch draws at home without him. Much less likely, but I think the biggest thing for them is the midfield. And man, they really do need more attacking depth. Probably at the winger position since Alli and Son can play pretty central and Kane doesn't like to be subbed, but there just was not a lot of attacking talent on the field today. I know some folks here like Winks, but I don't think he's ready yet to be playing regularly for a top ~10-ish Europe team and they don't seem to have anyone that can really pick the locks on defenses with passes from midfield besides Eriksen. It'd be nice if DeBruyne was on the field instead of Winks.
   62. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 29, 2017 at 01:53 AM (#5564762)
England has won a World Cup. Not THE World Cup, of course, but it's still nice to see.
   63. Richard Posted: October 29, 2017 at 02:45 AM (#5564763)
England now hold the Under 17 and Under 20 World titles simultaneously.
   64. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: October 29, 2017 at 05:30 AM (#5564768)
Spain might lose its grip on the #1 spot in ELO league ranking (by one ELO measure, at least) in years. Soccer Club ELO website had England drawing exactly even with Spain on Oct 19, for the first time in several years. They currently are 1 point behind (1734 to 1733 or something). With all the Euro play this weekend, one league or the other will very likely open up a small gap. The biggest game of the week that will affect the rankings? Tottenham/Real.
   65. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 30, 2017 at 12:23 PM (#5566582)
It'd be nice if DeBruyne was on the field instead of Winks.


Sure, but it'd be nice if DeBruyne was on the field instead of Son, Eriksen, Dembele, Llorente or Alli.

DeBruyne's better than any of them.

But he's much, much better than Moussa ####### Sissoko.
   66. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: November 01, 2017 at 10:55 AM (#5568391)
Some good Champion's League matches yesterday that weren't really discussed...

Man, Chelsea got absolutely steamrolled yesterday by Roma.

Other interesting results include Bayern scraping by over Celtic (a loss could have made that group interesting).

Atletico couldn't get a win against Qarabag in 2 tries and looks pretty likely to not make it out of the group.

Juventus picked up a late equalizer against Sporting, and would have been in real danger of not making it out of the group had they not.

As for today, it looks like the biggest game for me is probably Leipzig/Porto. Napoli probably needs at least a point against Man City to make it out of the group. I'll be recording Tottenham/Madrid, though. A good appetizer for Game 7.
   67. jmurph Posted: November 01, 2017 at 11:46 AM (#5568444)
There are going to be some solid teams dumped into the next round of the Europa League. Tough break for anyone (cough Arsenal cough) looking at that as a viable path to next year's Champions League!
   68. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2017 at 03:53 PM (#5568658)
The EPL passed La Liga as the league with the best ELO after yesterday's games (in the methodology mentioned above). They currently lead by a single point.
   69. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5568689)
they don't seem to have anyone that can really pick the locks on defenses with passes from midfield besides Eriksen


Indeed.
   70. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 04:26 PM (#5568700)
*I* could take a shot better than Sissoko ...
   71. I am going to be Frank Posted: November 01, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5568737)
Madrid is sleepwalking... but an injured Lloris is not optimal.
   72. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:00 PM (#5568741)
Dele friggin Alli, man.
   73. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:00 PM (#5568743)
An injury for every goal against Madrid is ... sub-optimal.
   74. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5568747)
Did Lloris have to come off?
   75. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:04 PM (#5568751)
Lloris still on.
   76. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:05 PM (#5568755)
Well, *that* was a spot of luck ... strewth.
   77. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:08 PM (#5568758)
Riposte, #######!
   78. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:09 PM (#5568762)
Dang, Tottenham are gonna take 4 points from Real Madrid.
   79. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:36 PM (#5568785)
STRAWBERRIES!!!!
   80. Baldrick Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5568787)
I'm sure everyone here is watching Madrid get set on fire in Wembley, but Napoli-City has been totally nuts as well.
   81. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:40 PM (#5568789)
That was a fantastic game by Spurs, and a win was thoroughly deserved. Real is struggling a bit this year of course and Tottenham is better than they've ever been, but I do wonder if we're seeing the beginning of the end of La Liga's dominance.
   82. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:41 PM (#5568791)
Dang, Tottenham are gonna take 4 points from Real Madrid.


So ... uh ... yeah ... THAT TOTALLY HAPPENED!!!

(since this is Spurs, we're totally going to ship points at home to Apoel ... but still!)
   83. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:42 PM (#5568792)
Speaking of the performance of various leagues this year, has anyone noticed what's happened to the Bundesliga? They have been atrocious in Europe so far, from top to bottom.
   84. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 05:53 PM (#5568801)
They have been atrocious in Europe so far, from top to bottom.


Dortmund has 2 points from 4 games, including 2 against APOEL ... I did NOT see that coming ...
   85. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 01, 2017 at 06:12 PM (#5568809)
I pretty much don't believe what I just watched.
   86. Textbook Editor Posted: November 01, 2017 at 07:18 PM (#5568853)
I pretty much don't believe what I just watched.


RM seemed pretty disinterested in defending in the midfield. The # of closedowns of Spurs players in the central third of the pitch was tiny, and that'll open you up pretty quickly.

So basically a win over APOEL and they top the group regardless of the last result, right? It would be very nice to be able to rotate the squad for a dead rubber at Dortmund, get some of the kids PT in a Champions League match.

Topping the group will be HUGE for moving on purposes to the QF.
   87. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: November 01, 2017 at 08:33 PM (#5568924)
That was a fantastic game by Spurs, and a win was thoroughly deserved. Real is struggling a bit this year of course and Tottenham is better than they've ever been, but I do wonder if we're seeing the beginning of the end of La Liga's dominance.

Well, that, or it means that Real Madrid is going to back up $300 million to Tottenham for Kane, Alli, and Lloris and that will be that.
   88. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: November 01, 2017 at 08:35 PM (#5568928)
I will also say that yes, Man City winning 4-2 at Napoli, a really good ####### team, is impressive. DeBruyne may be a top 5 player in the world for me.

I think he's the best central midfielder by a lot.
   89. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: November 01, 2017 at 08:39 PM (#5568938)
Also, I think that Tottenham is so great because they match up so well against top teams. They give away some pretty bad points to meh teams, but their style of soccer really takes it to good teams.

There's no really unbeatable team this year. This is maybe the most wide open I've seen the Champion's League in a long time. Bayern, Barca, and even Real have all shown cracks they didn't really show in earlier years.
   90. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 08:52 PM (#5568964)

Well, that, or it means that Real Madrid is going to back up $300 million to Tottenham for Kane, Alli, and Lloris and that will be that.


Ahahahahahahahahahah ... $300 million.

That's funny.

Florentino Perez, when asked about Real's interest in Kane:


"Honestly, it hasn't [entered my mind]. He is a magnificent player, he is young and has many years to progress. But we are delighted not just with [Karim] Benzema, but with all the players that we have.

"No [Daniel Levy didn’t provide an asking price for Kane] and had I asked him for the price he would have asked for €250m. He always goes for the top [amount]. We have become friends because of the time it took us to sign [former Tottenham players] Luka Modric and Gareth Bale.

"Every time we win a European title, he [Levy] sends me the same message: 'Congratulations for the European title you have won with my players.'"

   91. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: November 01, 2017 at 09:28 PM (#5569098)
Dembele was really acting like a real ####### in his 20 minutes of the game. Man, he easily could have been red carded on a few different situations. And just generally sucked.

He was a good soldier, but I think they need to replace him. Sissoko also sucked, and I say that as someone that thinks he's inexplicably been good this year.
   92. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 01, 2017 at 09:41 PM (#5569153)
Sissoko also sucked, and I say that as someone that thinks he's inexplicably been good this year.


He's been less than awful this year, but mostly that's because he's mostly been played in midfield, rather than the attacking band like last year and "less than awful" leaves a whole lot of room for his level of mediocrity ...

Unlike Winks, he's actually not good enough to be playing on this team, and the fact he's still on the roster is a big demerit to the club.

Sunk costs are just that.
   93. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 04, 2017 at 02:13 AM (#5570893)
English teams have played 20 matches in the Champions League group stage so far. They have 15 wins, 4 draws, and 1 loss. That's pretty darn good.
   94. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 04, 2017 at 10:04 AM (#5570927)
Stoke v Leicester has been surprisingly fun.
   95. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 05, 2017 at 08:00 AM (#5571176)
Spurs vs Palace ... unsurprisingly, has not.
   96. I am going to be Frank Posted: November 05, 2017 at 08:59 AM (#5571181)
Does City-Arsenal feel like a hiding?
   97. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: November 05, 2017 at 09:54 AM (#5571190)
At halftime 0-11 Benevento lead the six time defending champions Juventus 1-0.
   98. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 05, 2017 at 10:45 AM (#5571206)
Does City-Arsenal feel like a hiding?


The Arse ain't dead yet!
   99. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 05, 2017 at 10:48 AM (#5571208)
The Arse ain't dead yet!


Well, no defending a blatant offsides ...

Bring on the robots ... or at least challenge and review.
   100. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 05, 2017 at 10:52 AM (#5571211)
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