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OT: Winter Soccer Thread

November 4 Borussia Dortmund v. Bayern Munich
November 5 Chelsea v. ManU
November 9 & 12 - Northern Ireland v. Switzerland/Croatia v. Greece
November 10 &  13 - Sweden v. Italy
November 11 & 14 - Denmark v. Ireland
November 10 & 15 - Honduras v. Australia
November 11 & 15 - New Zealand v. Peru
November 14 - Portugal v. USA (friendly #&!^#&)
December 1 - Napoli v. Juventus
December 10 - ManU v. ManCity
December 11 - Champions League Round of 16 draw
December 20 - Real Madrid v. Barcelona (how contentious will this be given the political climate?)

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   1601. jmurph Posted: April 25, 2018 at 12:00 PM (#5659892)
Ouch, now we see who really bottled it. Coke to the Swish.
   1602. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 25, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5659895)
Thanks Murph, (you flippin' bottler!)
   1603. J. Sosa Posted: April 25, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5659920)
I have always interpreted “bottle” as “screwing up”. The “choking” meaning is probably closer to the sense of it though.

Screw the Brits. USA USA USA!!!
   1604. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 25, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5659924)
I always thought "bottled it" had more of a "backing down due to lack of courage" (and thus, as a result, failing to perform) implication--whereas choked seemed to mean dramatically failed to perform for any reason (lack of courage not necessarily involved).

Reading a little bit of the slang definitions on the interwebs seems to back that up--though obviously that's hardly definitive.

   1605. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 25, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5659958)
Curious people's thoughts on the game today?

I think I favor Real to win the tie fairly easily. I can't shake that Bayern looked very mortal in the group stages and haven't really had any real test in the CL since. Rooting for it to be an even tie, and Bayern is pretty tough at home.
   1606. J. Sosa Posted: April 25, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5659975)
Players are sometimes said to “lack bottle” which seems to go with the courage angle.
   1607. J. Sosa Posted: April 25, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5659986)
I have no real idea of whom should be favored. Madrid has been a cup team for the most part under Zidane. I am not sure how much can be drawn from their league form. They looked not great for extended stretches against several teams in the CL as well though. But Bayern hasn’t been challenged. No idea.
   1608. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 25, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5660088)
Interesting that James Rodriguez is allowed to play today for Bayern, while on loan from Real, I would have thought that would have been forbidden, but the Graun says:

On loan from tonight’s opponents, James Rodriguez could be selected to face his parent club as, sensibly, there are no rules against this in European competition.


Still figured they would have added a clause in the loan contract ...
   1609. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 25, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5660103)
I always thought "bottled" to mean "messing up," usually in a big way.

I think Madrid should be favored because of higher-end talent. That talent may get bored during the league season but they usually come up big in cup matches that matter. Do the Spanish teams consider the Copa del Rey more important than Premier League teams consider the FA Cup?

Not like Bayern isn't talented but guys like Ribery and Robben are older and they're missing some key guys - Vidal, Alaba and Thiago. Madrid is sitting Bale and Benzema, while Bayern are playing an essentially foreced offensive lineup - Javi Martinez is the defensive midfielder with James and Muller playing ahead of him.

Edit: Oh and Neuer is still out.
   1610. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 25, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5660130)
Still figured they would have added a clause in the loan contract ...


I suspect Bayern wouldn't have taken him if they did. It's not like Bayern-Real is a particularly surprising matchup.
   1611. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 25, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5660218)
I always thought of bottling as choking away victory by making stupid mistakes. The lack of courage angle is backed up by this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/language/uptodate/2010/11/101123_kyeutd_bottle_bottler_page.shtml
   1612. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 25, 2018 at 03:27 PM (#5660219)
Apparently Thiago isn't hurt.
   1613. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 25, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5660221)
Ugh, Ox is going to miss the World Cup with his injury. That's an awful stroke of fortune, he has had a great season.
   1614. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 25, 2018 at 09:40 PM (#5660577)
So Madrid just has a pixie blessing them in the Champions League, I guess.
   1615. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 25, 2018 at 09:46 PM (#5660587)
It's actually ridiculous. Bayern has two players go off injured in the first half. Bayern miss a buttload of chances. A calamitous Bayern error (and a great finish) gives Real their second goal on their only real chance. Real's first goal wasn't even really a chance. MAGIC. PIXIE. DUST.
   1616. Richard Posted: April 25, 2018 at 09:48 PM (#5660595)
If you lack bottle you lack courage.

If you bottle it you fail at something due to a lack of courage.

Neshed it has a similar meaning but that's a Yorkshire/northern thing so you'd be less likely to hear it on TV.
   1617. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:01 PM (#5660607)
#1615 I wonder what the xG numbers are like for the game. Seemed like every time I looked up the announcers were astounded at another situation where Bayern didn't score ...
   1618. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5660616)
MCoA has it at 2.5 to 0.7. 538 has it at 2.7 to 0.7 (538 is nice because they post their results immediately after the games, though they only cover league games, CL and Europa, so no league cups and the like).

Bayern winning by 2 would have put a very different complexion on this tie. On the other hand, considering how well they dominated, I don't think they're out of it by any means.
   1619. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 25, 2018 at 10:44 PM (#5660653)
It would be awesome if there was an English broadcast of the ####### CCL final.
   1620. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5660703)
It would be awesome if there was an English broadcast of the ####### CCL final.


Could be worse ... it could be on FOX ...
   1621. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:22 PM (#5660705)
Watching it on TSN in Canada
   1622. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:23 PM (#5660706)
Toronto played very well in the first half and were rewarded, but are barely hanging on here. The last 20 minutes have been painful. It's at altitude (1-mile high, just like Denver), so maybe that's the issue.

Couple good chances by Toronto late, but really it's mostly just survival.
   1623. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:24 PM (#5660708)
And another one!! sheesh. That should have been in. Maybe Chivas is getting gassed too now, to even things out.
   1624. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:25 PM (#5660709)
FREE SOCCER!!!

The Toronto guys must be blown out at this point, I'm exhausted just listening to the broadcast ...

[edit] Straight to pens???
   1625. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:34 PM (#5660715)
That was a less than ideal penalty...
   1626. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5660718)
Well Bradley shot high. By several yards (seemingly). Has to be one of the worst penalties I've ever seen. At least we didn't have to watch him do that in the WC.
   1627. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 25, 2018 at 11:38 PM (#5660719)
That was a less than ideal penalty...


Quality field goal attempt though ...
   1628. manchestermets Posted: April 26, 2018 at 05:31 AM (#5660769)
So if you're Madrid, Barcelona or PSG, wouldn't you rather have Salah than Hazard? Hazard has a longer period of playing at the top but Salah scores more goals and is younger.


If this season represents true talent then yes, absolutely, but given that Salah has never done anything like this before - he's never even scored 20 in a season before this one - I'd like to see him do it again before paying the money that would be demanded to sign him.

And yes, bottling is hard to define exactly, but in the sporting context it more or less means failing to see a challenge through, especially but not necessarily from a strong position. Spurs, for example, are consistently seen as lacking "bottle" and losing yet another semi-final bolsters that. In any close run finish to a league season, if one team just loses its form at the end and its rival ends up winning comfortably, that will be seen as an example of bottling it.
   1629. J. Sosa Posted: April 26, 2018 at 08:57 AM (#5660809)
I love Salah. He is a wonderful player. But if Real truly were to offer Neymar money or more I would take it. That probably wouldn’t be tenable with the fans though.

Klopp has a history of this sort of thing. Goetze, Kagawa, Sahin, Gundogan all made moves to mega clubs and all either washed out or are about to wash out. Some of that was down to injury, sure, but off the top of my head Lewandowski is the only Klopp Dortmund attacking player to leave and have equal or greater success at a mega club. Buyer beware.
   1630. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:03 AM (#5660813)
I think Salah is better than Hazard, although I think he'll cost more money. I don't closely follow the transfer rumor mill but I sense Hazard probably wants to leave Chelsea and that's probably extra true if Spurs don't bottle it and allow Chelsea to finish top 4.

Gundogan I wouldn't classify as washing out. Yeah, he was injured a lot at City, but when he played he's been exceptional. Are they really looking to get rid of him? I figured if anything he may start to have a larger role as Fernandinho gets older. But hell, if they're gonna get rid of him, I'd love him at Tottenham.
   1631. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:15 AM (#5660820)
Gundogan is still very good, it's all down to injury. I haven't seen anything about City wanting to move on from him, but who knows.
   1632. J. Sosa Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:28 AM (#5660836)
I think City is bringing in Jorghino. Could just be adding on top of what they already have or be more of a Silva hedge.

I don’t follow the NFL that closely is Khan going to buy Wembley and move the Jags?

Edit to add: Liverpool has evidently been beaten out for Jorghino. Most LFC peeps think it is City. I don’t think he would play the same role as he does in Italy, I see him as a linking player in Pep’s system (i.e. Gundogan) rather than a deeper role like Fernandinho or a more advanced role like Silva. He is versatile though and that is probably the point.
   1633. jmurph Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5660856)
I think City is bringing in Jorghino. Could just be adding on top of what they already have or be more of a Silva hedge.

Fernandinho alternative/eventual replacement by all accounts.
   1634. J. Sosa Posted: April 26, 2018 at 09:50 AM (#5660866)
City can probably get away with that but I had serious doubts about it. Allegedly Klopp was also looking at him primarily as a 6 so if both Pep and Klopp saw it that way I am almost certainly wrong. I just don’t see it in the PL though. He would probably sit between split center backs and I think that leaves you too vulnerable with his physical attributes in the PL. But Klopp and Pep think otherwise.
   1635. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5661243)
Arsenal looks good in the opening minutes. Two great chances already.
   1636. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5661250)
Holy ####. Second yellow. Seemed too soft for a second yellow so early, though it was a stomp. First yellow was well-deserved. It just changes the game so much.

edit: Now Simeone ejected for going nuts asking for a caution on a foul by Aresnal.
   1637. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 26, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5661299)
Simeone going nuts? I don't buy it.
   1638. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5661301)
To be fair to the ref, I think both fouls, in isolation, were yellow card fouls. The "problem" is that it's very rare to give two such cards so early because of the impact on the game.

edit: And I haven't seen any fouls by either side since that would be considered worthy of a caution, unless you want to count possible diving or time wasting.
   1639. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5661326)
Lacazette scored (finally). Since it was a towering header, the announcers called him "the big man". He's 5'9" 161.
   1640. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 26, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5661349)
So Arsenal. Up 1-0, man up and they concede an equalizer.
   1641. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5661353)
Yes. Arsenal disaster. 2 world-class saves by Oblak in this game now. xg probably 3+ to 1.
   1642. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 26, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5661357)
Oh, Arsenal ...
   1643. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5661361)
With the Arsenal draw, (unless I miscalculated) EPL will now finish ahead of La Liga in the Europe coefficient this year, for the first time since 2011. Bundesliga tipped La Liga in 2013 by a small margin, but Spain has finished top all the other years by wide margins.
   1644. J. Sosa Posted: April 26, 2018 at 05:13 PM (#5661369)
I didn’t have a problem with the second yellow. I would rather that than somebody like Howard Webb who was notoriously reluctant to issue early yellows. So you would have people like Mourinho sending in the goon squads of hatchet men the first part of the half or the Dutch kicking the #### out of Spain.

Poor Arsenal. Lalas was all over Koscielney but wasn’t it on Mustafi? Watching live I had though Muatafi played Griezeman on by being asleep on the line. I have’t seen a replay.

That is interesting Bea. I think that was also the general anectodal consensus a few pages ago.
   1645. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5661371)
538's xG has the game at 3.2 to 1.1. Interestingly, they think the 1-1 draw was a neutral event, with Arsenal still a 40% chance to advance. That seems way high. There are a couple reasons for this... first the 40% they gave Arsenal was already probably too high going into this game. Second, though 538 seems to try to adjust for a lot of stuff, despite the 1-1 draw in isolation being a (slightly) negative event for Arsenal, 538 has docked Atleti and boosted Arsenal's overall rating significantly apparently based on the xG and other factors of this game that played in Arsenal's favor, apparently without taking enough account of Atleti playing a man down the whole match.
   1646. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 05:38 PM (#5661385)
MCoA has the xG at 2.7 to 1.0.
   1647. Mefisto Posted: April 26, 2018 at 05:38 PM (#5661386)
MCOA has it 2.7-1.0
   1648. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 26, 2018 at 05:47 PM (#5661389)
Betting odds has Arsenal at about 28% to advance. That's pretty much what I would have guessed. Bayern at 23% or so.
   1649. J. Sosa Posted: April 26, 2018 at 05:51 PM (#5661390)
Are there any stats you are aware of that you like for keepers Bea? It is something I go back and forth on. It feels like I did with catchers say a decade or two ago. Feels like something is missing when I see a match like this or pretty much any Man U match ever.
   1650. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 27, 2018 at 03:40 AM (#5661484)
I don't know that much about individual player stats to be honest, goalkeeper or otherwise.
   1651. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 28, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5662196)
It's heating up in the EPL. Huddersfield down 2-0 at home to Everton. Southampton clinging to a 1-goal lead against Bournemouth.

And Cardiff still leading 1-0 at Hull--now pretty likely to pip Fulham for the straight route into the EPL.
   1652. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 28, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5662198)
If the current scores hold up in the Championship, both Cardiff and Fulham will be facing opponents next week that could need at least a draw to avoid relegation.
   1653. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 28, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5662203)
And there's a second by Cardiff. Now they are pretty big favorites to advance over Fulham.
   1654. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 28, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5662223)
With Chelsea starting to get some results, it's not just Tottenham that have to worry about being caught, but Liverpool too. After Liverpool's draw today, I think Liverpool probably feels like they need a result against Chelsea when they play.
   1655. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 28, 2018 at 03:50 PM (#5662271)
Now this is inspired trolling.

Too bad their team is down a goal and a man at half ...
   1656. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 28, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5662277)
AND NOW THEY'RE LEVEL!
   1657. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 28, 2018 at 04:44 PM (#5662284)
What a 60 second nightmare for Inter (and Napoli) ...
   1658. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 30, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5663091)
So here is a little something to noodle on (emphasis mine);

It's more likely that the red card for Kalidou Koulibaly, Napoli's hero the previous week, after just six minutes had a bigger impact. VAR played a key role. Originally, the referee had booked Koulibaly and awarded a penalty but replays showed the foul was outside the box. That meant no penalty, but a straight red and you'd imagine Napoli would have preferred it the other way around. Maurizio Sarri sacrificed a midfielder, Jorginho, to send on a defender and in one fell swoop, Napoli lost both their best center-back and their midfield playmaker.


What would you prefer? Play 84 minutes 10 v 11 with the score 0-0 or play 84 minutes 11 v 11 but already down 1-0? I guess for that amount of time if I felt confident I had the better team I'd prefer the latter but there is definitely a point where you don't want to give away the goal.
   1659. jmurph Posted: April 30, 2018 at 04:01 PM (#5663106)
Hmm for that length of time I'd probably always take 11 v 11 at 0-1 instead of going a man down without the penalty. Maybe if I'm like Burnley against a big team, and I think I can effectively park the bus a man down? Even then, that's just a long time.
   1660. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 30, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5663114)
Yeah, I'd almost always prefer to take the penalty, rather than lose a man.

And, after all, your goalie could always save the penalty attempt.
   1661. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 30, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5663117)
Spurs nearly bottled that 1st half, but having survived, may have sealed things with an early goal in the 2nd.
   1662. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 30, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5663138)
Randomly, I just checked out MCoA's Twitter and he had this:



Michael Caley
‏ @MC_of_A
Apr 29

Per this study by @MarkTaylor0, a red card is worth about 1.45 goals over a full match. This suggests that Napoli would prefer the pre-VAR penalty by a difference of about 0.7 goals. That's a lot! http://th
   1663. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 30, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5663144)
That was about the least convincing 2 goal win ever. Good for Tottenham, but man I think they were generally outplayed in the game.
   1664. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 30, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5663151)
That was about the least convincing 2 goal win ever. Good for Tottenham, but man I think they were generally outplayed in the game.


I am very interested in seeing the xG for the match. It felt like the Hornet Mooses' were ridiculously profligate.

If I'm Pochettino, I rotate heavily at West Brom to send a message ...
   1665. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 30, 2018 at 05:15 PM (#5663155)

I am very interested in seeing the xG for the match.


MCoA has it 2.3 - 1.7, with the commentary "the limp to the finish for Spurs continues."

Sums it up.

   1666. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: April 30, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5663156)

Michael Caley
‏@MC_of_A
3m3 minutes ago

Tottenham average xG-xGA through the Chelsea match:

2.0 - 0.8

Tottenham average xG-xGA since the Chelsea match:

1.6-1.6
   1667. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: April 30, 2018 at 06:11 PM (#5663171)
I think this is a big offseason for Tottenham. They seem to be torn between two styles. They play a bit more of a possession/ball control game now, but they don't have exactly the kind of players for that, particularly Dier. He had a really unforgivable ball where he played a blind pass down the middle of the field in his own half which led to Gray having a 1-on-1 with the goalie.

Their press isn't nearly what it was.

I think they have to nail a transfer or two to compete in the league. I'd like to see them replace Dier with a more two-way player, get another player like Son who can run at fullbacks, and get a backup striker. Someone like Giroud would have fit in perfectly for Spurs, actually.
   1668. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 01, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5663765)
Now there's a start for Bayern!

[edit] Oops!
   1669. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 01, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5663784)
Bayern are playing well and one more goal puts them into extra time. The big thing is they can kind of afford to be aggressive. Right now Bayern need two goals to win the tie, if Real get another goal...Bayern still needs two goals to win the tie. Of course if they give up two more then they are probably toast and even one more makes it very difficult because scoring 3 at Real is no easy task but they have a touch of wiggle room here to open this up.
   1670. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 01, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5663799)
It's been an exciting game with Bayern having a clear edge so far, but Real has had plenty of chances on their own. Little doubt that Bayern has been the significantly better team over the first 3/4 of the tie though.
   1671. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 01, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5663814)
OK, when I said Bayern could give up another goal I didn't mean they should just do it.
   1672. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 01, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5663821)
Now they have to play so wide open they're giving up chances on the other end. Luckily bad Ronaldo is back.
   1673. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5663831)
Real has given the ball up a bunch of times.
   1674. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5663840)
20 minutes plus stoppage to get one. As Bea noted Bayern have been the better team for the majority of this tie.
   1675. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5663841)
If Real and Liverpool advance, will Zidane put Ronaldo at striker and give some help to Marcelo? Ronaldo doesn't do any of that now.
   1676. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5663850)
Whoa Navas just saved Real's bacon.
   1677. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5663852)
Can't believe how open this game is now... you would think Real would tighten it up a bit.
   1678. The Marksist Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5663875)
This game is making me super anxious about tomorrow. Not sure how I'm gonna cope.
   1679. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5663878)
Wow ... bonkers game.
   1680. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5663880)
So disappointing. Bayern probably won the xG on the tie by close to 4 goals.

edit: or maybe not, since the Benzema second goal alone was almost one full xG on its own. Gah.
   1681. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:46 PM (#5663885)
Bayern had every chance to win this thing. They were the better team but made a couple of glaring errors that cost them.
   1682. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5663887)
538's xG (two legs): 6.9 to 2.8
   1683. KronicFatigue Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5663888)
That was extremely exciting. Seems like the better team lost, but it happens.
   1684. The Marksist Posted: May 01, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5663889)
On the flip, Madrid went through basically all the pre-tournament favorites to get here except Barca.
   1685. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 01, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5663904)
Well, they didn't bottle it, but damn if Bayern won't have some sleepless nights thinking about what might should have been over those two legs ...
   1686. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: May 01, 2018 at 05:22 PM (#5663910)
McoA has a very different xG than 538 does for this game (first time I've seen it diverge by more than a little). MCoA has the game today at 2.5 to 2.2, while 538 has it as 4.2 to 2.1.

   1687. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 01, 2018 at 07:29 PM (#5663975)
The Real Madrid Pixie Dust is unreal.
   1688. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: May 01, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5664100)
Bayern also bottled it against Real by letting Vidal take a penalty and then his dubious sending off. It does seem like if Neuer was healthy this tie goes the other way.
   1689. The Marksist Posted: May 02, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5664403)
OK. You win. Bottles galore.
   1690. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: May 02, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5664486)
I just like using the phrase "bottle it" since we've discussed it. Soccer has thin margins, I don't think anyone bottled anything.

It was a great game between great opponents. I obviously underestimated Bayern going into the tie, as they were the better side and if the two sides played another tie next week I'd favor Bayern.

Real more than any other team I watch seem like they can just go through the motions for a fairly long stretch of time, not have the ball, kinda press but not really in any sort of organized way, and then in 3 passes and 10 seconds they just scored a goal and made it look easy. They're both terrifying in open space but also seem more apt than I'd expect from a side like theirs of having the game taken to them. They are devastating on the counter, but it makes for highly entertaining games.

Looking forward to the game today. So far the QF and SF stages have been pretty fun in that the teams that really need goals in the second legs are picking one up in the first 5 or 10 minutes most of the matches.
   1691. Mefisto Posted: May 02, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5664506)
Whether Real play LFC or Roma, it could be a wild game.
   1692. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 02, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5664512)
Nah, the keeper absolutely bottled it in the Bayern/Real match.

I'm nervously excited, yet optimistic. Roma can't do it twice in a month, can they?
   1693. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 02, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5664524)
I'm nervously excited, yet optimistic. Roma can't do it twice in a month, can they?


I highly doubt it but if I had to score 3 or 4 goals against a Champions League team Liverpool would be the team I'd want to be playing. They can be shaky back there.

I would expect that Liverpool will advance but Roma will at least create a situation where everyone is looking at the tie and saying \"####, they might do it again" then Liverpool will get the goal they need.
   1694. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 02, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5664531)
I highly doubt it but if I had to score 3 or 4 goals against a Champions League team Liverpool would be the team I'd want to be playing. They can be shaky back there.


I can totally see Liverpool shipping 3 in this match, but I can't see Roma being open enough to score 3 without Liverpool scoring.

Still Roma scoring first will make for some exciting squeaky bum time ...
   1695. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 02, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5664557)
1694 - Yeah, that's pretty much what I expect. Roma will come out pressing, attacking and get a goal or two but eventually Liverpool will pop Salah or Firmino free and that will be that.
   1696. The Marksist Posted: May 02, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5664601)
I am not entirely calm rn.
   1697. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 02, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5664603)
Seconding the not entirely calm, but needing to keep it together since I'm at work and can only really check the mbm.
   1698. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 02, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5664608)
At this pace Roma will take 90 shots.
   1699. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: May 02, 2018 at 02:55 PM (#5664620)
Wow.

Just Lovely.
   1700. The Marksist Posted: May 02, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5664621)
YRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
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