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OT August 2014:  Wrassle Mania I

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about wrasslin’, but with their own thread, they won’t detract from what this site is really about:  the demographic appeal of Swisher Sweets and Grant Brisbee’s taste in porn.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 17, 2014 at 01:15 PM | 323 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Canker Soriano Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4772964)
Whatcha gonna do when the least popular off-topic thread runs wild on you?!!!!!!!
   2. JE (Jason) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4772974)
FWIW, Steve Lombardi was a neighbor during my prepubescent years. Long before the dude became the "Brooklyn Brawler," he was working the deli counter at the D'Agostino on Henry Street.
   3. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 17, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4772978)
I'd love Cena dropping the title, immediately followed by a MITB cash-in. Problem is...that was the last SummerSlam finish. I think our final shot tonight is The Beast roaring, belt held aloft.
   4. Conor Posted: August 17, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4773025)
I'd love Cena dropping the title, immediately followed by a MITB cash-in. Problem is...that was the last SummerSlam finish. I think our final shot tonight is The Beast roaring, belt held aloft.


Yeah, I guess if they did that, Cena would have to retain, so Rollins cashes in on a face? I'm also not exactly sure what's going to happen with Rollins and the briefcase. I can't imagine they'd have Lesnar win and have Rollins cash it on on him. So I guess I'll go with: Lesnar wins tonight, they have a rematch at Night of Champions, where Cena wins it back and Rollins cashes in?
   5. Good cripple hitter Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:37 PM (#4773051)
Grant Brisbee’s taste in porn.


Judging by the sidebar, this either involves metal detector porn or "the Ice Bucket Challenge" is unspeakably filthy. Or it involves 3 1/2 hour movies. If so, I commend him on his Gehrig-esque endurance.
   6. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4773059)
'Theres a thread about Swisher Sweets? Where?
   7. The District Attorney Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:54 PM (#4773064)
Judging by the sidebar, this either involves metal detector porn or "the Ice Bucket Challenge" is unspeakably filthy. Or it involves 3 1/2 hour movies. If so, I commend him on his Gehrig-esque endurance.
What is he, tantric like Sting?

Hey, what's happening with Sting (the wrestler), anyway? The WWE has him and just isn't doing anything with him? That seems very un-WWE (but it was very WCW). I'd like to see him take on Undertaker at Wrestlemania, especially now that it's plausible that Sting could win.

I also am quite curious to see whether Spike moving TNA to Wednesdays means anything. Honestly, neither option -- moving a show to avoid football and Smackdown when it's going to be cancelled by the time they go on, or waiting until late August to renew a show for the fall -- makes sense to me, so I'm baffled.
   8. Super Creepy Derek Lowe (GGC) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4773069)
I found the Swisher Sweets mention in the OT Politics thread. Stupidly I posted. Now I'll have to follow that thread to see if anyone replies to me.
   9. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4773081)
Hey, what's happening with Sting (the wrestler), anyway?

Apparently, the first face-to-face meeting between Sting and Vince McMahon was this weekend in LA. Right now, I think they've only moved the necessary earth for Sting to be in videogames and provide commentary for a career retrospective DVD/blu ray release. I'm thinking he'll end up in the ring at WrestleMania, though.
   10. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 07:20 PM (#4773086)
My theory: Lesnar over Cena at SS. Rematch at NoC that Lesnar barely wins followed by Rollins cashing in and getting the belt because the Authority can't stand Brock's refusal to listen. Rollins' victory will likely involve lots of weapons and shenanigans in order to put Lesnar out for a period of months. Lesnar returns at the Rumble and kills Rollins on the same night Reigns wins the Rumble. Lesnar-Reigns WM XXXI.
   11. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 08:55 PM (#4773136)
Rusev-Swagger was surprisingly good for me. I loved the way both guys sold each other's moves.
   12. Good cripple hitter Posted: August 17, 2014 at 09:54 PM (#4773171)
Hey, what's happening with Sting (the wrestler), anyway? The WWE has him and just isn't doing anything with him? That seems very un-WWE (but it was very WCW). I'd like to see him take on Undertaker at Wrestlemania, especially now that it's plausible that Sting could win. Hey, what's happening with Sting (the wrestler), anyway? The WWE has him and just isn't doing anything with him? That seems very un-WWE (but it was very WCW). I'd like to see him take on Undertaker at Wrestlemania, especially now that it's plausible that Sting could win.


It's a tough situation. The idea (STING! In a WWE ring! At WRESTLEMANIA!) is at odds with the reality (a 55 year-old man whose best times came decades ago, and whose most recent memorable moment is shoot pinning a drugged-up Jeff Hardy). I really can't see Sting having anything close to a decent match with Undertaker. Similarly, I'm not sure if they could build a decent-enough storyline around it. Not that they'd necessarily need a lot to sell the match, but an "I respect you, you respect me, let's see who's better" might not be all that exciting at this stage in their careers.

Ideally the Shield would still be around as heels so you could have Sting team up with two faces (pick from Cena/Bryan/Ziggler/even Taker) to take on the Shield so you could hide him in a chaotic brawl with younger wrestlers, he could hit his spots, everyone goes home happy. But beyond something like that or squashing Miz, I'm not sure what you could deliver that would be a positive moment.
   13. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4773187)
I love Randy Orton's look. I love Randy Orton's physical presence/charisma. I love Randy Orton's moveset. If Randy Orton could talk...

The Orton powerslam counter and RKO counter were so ####### beautiful tonight. I'm right about fed up with Roman Reigns' push. He can't talk and he can't wrestle. He's not ready.
   14. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4773190)
I was going to ask about metal detector porn and then I remembered Rule 34.
   15. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:35 PM (#4773194)
I hated to see Orton hit the RKO of his freaking life just to have Reigns kick out of it.
   16. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 10:52 PM (#4773204)
I loved everything about Cena-Lesnar. Everything. Screamed in joy.
   17. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM (#4773209)
Brock goofing on The Undertaker's sit-up was fantastic. He looked like he enjoyed being a wrestler tonight.
   18. Chokeland Bill Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM (#4773218)
My first impression is that Summerslam 2014 was a pantheon PPV
   19. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM (#4773226)
Stephanie was the best female wrestler on the roster tonight by the way. Legitimately impressed by everything she did in the ring tonight. The pacing, the execution, everything. She's so good.
   20. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:34 PM (#4773233)
So, does Cena have a receipt for Night of Champions? If Reigns is being protected 'til WrestleMania, who do you throw in there with Brock that generates so much as a scintilla of suspense?
   21. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 17, 2014 at 11:52 PM (#4773239)
Thanks for starting this thread! I have not read anything here yet (scrolling to hide the other comments as I post); I am avoiding Summerslam spoilers until tomorrow when my friend and I can watch it together. I hope it's awesome!
   22. Conor Posted: August 18, 2014 at 08:20 AM (#4773298)
I feel like there are no faces they could legitimately put against Lesnar right now, other than Cena again (assuming they want to stay away from Reigns). Unless Batista is going to be back very soon? And he left as such a huge heel anyway
   23. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 08:54 AM (#4773306)
Look, I'm not going to deny that I went crazy watching Cena get utterly obliterated... but now we're in a weird place where Brock is the unchallenged supreme king of WWE.

When you think about it, this is really the final step in the 180 from when the WWE title had been utterly devalued (i.e. Miz's run as champ in late 10/early 11.)
   24. Canker Soriano Posted: August 18, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4773392)
It was a fabulous PPV. Solid matches up and down the card, and some unexpected wins. Nice to see them put a title on Ziggler - he's always over. Let's see if he can manage not to get injured this time.

Loved the Ram-Paige finish. It looks a lot better than the Paige Turner. And that was easily the best lumberjack match in a long line of what's usually a pretty meh stipulation. Steph brought it as well (not just the outfit - hard to believe it's been 10 years since she was in the ring). Really, everyone on the roster seemed to be going as hard as possible last night. I wonder if the message backstage, given the recent layoffs and financial problems, is prove your worth or risk ending up in ROH.

Really loved seeing Cena get Bork smashed. I never thought they'd put on a 15-minute glorified squash like that. I assume (I hope) that Cena is either off RAW for the next few weeks, or if he shows up tonight they have to roll him down there in a wheelchair. I have no idea who would be next. Apparently there was a tweet or a Vine where Lana suggested that Rusev had his eye on Brock now. It would be a nice power match, but there's little thought that they'd pick Rusev to be the one to go over. Brock/Wyatt is another idea, though I can't imagine how they'd justify putting the two of them together. I'd love to see Brock/Cesaro, just for the power aspect, but Cesaro seems to have lost his favor.

Brock/Reigns is obviously the end game here. The question is when they'll pull the trigger. Reigns did not look last night like he should be the guy on top - it was a good match with Orton, but that was 90% Orton's doing.

I'm a lot more excited about what's to come than I was after the last couple of PPVs. Next to Wrestlemania, this was pretty clearly the best PPV of the year.

(I was really hoping they'd end last night with Rollins running down to the ring, briefcase in hand, only to take one look at Brock and run back up the ramp.)
   25. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4773402)
Alistair Overeem would listen if Vince called.
   26. Conor Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4773422)
I know Reigns-Lesnar is the most likely end game, but I'd love to see Bryan-Lesnar at Wrestlemania next year.
   27. starving to death with a full STEAGLES Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4773459)
Apparently there was a tweet or a Vine where Lana suggested that Rusev had his eye on Brock now. It would be a nice power match, but there's little thought that they'd pick Rusev to be the one to go over
i don't really think that's a problem. WWE runs 14 PPVs per year and i don't think it necessarily improves the product for every main event to be a toss-up. a lot of times, the fun is just seeing a guy you don't like get his ass kicked.

I know Reigns-Lesnar is the most likely end game, but I'd love to see Bryan-Lesnar at Wrestlemania next year.
careful with that. if that's the main event, i'm about 90% sure it would end as another epic troll job.

speaking of, whatever happened to sheamus being the next big thing?
   28. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 18, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4773668)
I think they see Brock with the belt as money...no matter who he's wrestling. So we could be looking at a couple of months of Brock as the unbeatable monster champion with no worthy contenders. They'll count on undercard feuds to sustain suspense and interest. Then your story leading up to The Royal Rumble becomes "Can a credible challenger somehow arise to save us all by the time WrestleMania rolls around?" (Oh...hi there, Roman Reigns.)
   29. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:15 PM (#4773719)
I think they see Brock with the belt as money...no matter who he's wrestling. So we could be looking at a couple of months of Brock as the unbeatable monster champion with no worthy contenders. They'll count on undercard feuds to sustain suspense and interest. Then your story leading up to The Royal Rumble becomes "Can a credible challenger somehow arise to save us all by the time WrestleMania rolls around?" (Oh...hi there, Roman Reigns.)

This would have been so much cooler if it ended with Bray Wyatt saving us all...FOLLOW THE BUZZARDS!
   30. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4773724)
Also, berg's PPV review is up.
   31. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 18, 2014 at 11:09 PM (#4774220)
*Watches tonight's RAW main event* *Wonders how the hell the big push is going to Reigns*
   32. Conor Posted: August 19, 2014 at 09:03 AM (#4774325)
*Watches tonight's RAW main event* *Wonders how the hell the big push is going to Reigns*


Dave Meltzer was saying pretty much the same thing. Ambrose is awesome; so is Rollins for that matter. Reigns has the look, and the crowd is into him, but they seem to be into Ambrose more, and he's a better overall package. It will be interesting to see what happens; you presumably have Bryan coming back, plus Ambrose; if they continue to push Reigns down our throat they could have a backlash in the run to Mania.
   33. CWS Keith plans to boo your show at the Apollo Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM (#4774344)
It seems to me the crowd's enthusiasm for Rollins/Ambrose has (finally) surpassed Reigns' each of the previous two nights, but YMMV.
   34. Tubbs & Minnie Miñoso don't fear Sid Monge Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM (#4774348)
Thanks for starting the wrestling OT thread

Ambrose is very over right now, his match with Rollins last night was the best one I've seen on RAW this year
   35. Conor Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4774373)
I think Ambrose has been getting better crowd reactions for a while, but I could be biased. It was clear last night. I also have noticed in the run-up to Summerslam, they had Reigns working the opener almost every week, which is usually when the crowd is at its hottest, or close to it. That match last night was great. Also liked Cena-Cesaro from earlier in the year.
   36. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4774376)
Remember how crowds got fed up with Lex Luger's countless turns because he would literally go from high-fiving the fans one week to sneering at them the next? I love how you could flip Ambrose to being a heel instantly and he wouldn't have to change up his act one iota.
   37. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 19, 2014 at 09:46 PM (#4775003)
   38. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 19, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4775018)
He had the TV match last year where he caught RVD mid-Rolling Thunder and power slammed him. Geez...he really spiked Reigns.
   39. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM (#4775056)
[38] Thanks for pointing out. Just watched the clip. Also awesome.

I've reached Armageddon 2005. Someone named the Boogeyman has appeared at the last two PPVs. I mean...I just...what?
   40. starving to death with a full STEAGLES Posted: August 20, 2014 at 01:14 AM (#4775105)
I've reached Armageddon 2005. Someone named the Boogeyman has appeared at the last two PPVs. I mean...I just...what?
the boogeyman is awesome. he's also a lunatic.
   41. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 20, 2014 at 07:19 AM (#4775139)
[40] Wait...did Cena steal his catchphrases!?
   42. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 20, 2014 at 09:47 AM (#4775220)
One of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.


Wow. That's so god damn smooth.
   43. Canker Soriano Posted: August 20, 2014 at 10:24 AM (#4775251)
I mean...I just...what?

It'll get weirder.

   44. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 20, 2014 at 11:37 PM (#4776051)
Just finished New Year's Revolution 2006. Witnessed my first MITB cash-in.

A PPV main event featuring Chris Masters and Carlito was tough to swallow. The crowd has also already reached half of us hate Cena half of us love him status. I had no idea the Cena thing had been going on that long. Angle, who is extremely over, was eliminated 1st in the Elimination Chamber main event for some reason. He also lost a feud to Cena to end '05. I think Cena went 3-0 over the course of 3 PPVs for some reason.

This Mickie James has really impressed me with her in-ring ability and mic work.
   45. Tubbs & Minnie Miñoso don't fear Sid Monge Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:20 AM (#4776076)
NJ, congrats on your screen name change. I did something similar to what your doing with going back and watching all the old WWE ppvs but I did that instead with all the old Pride events. Heath Herring and Josh Barnett would make really good pro wrestlers. Herring lasted three rounds with Lesnar.

Looks like that scraped the Nation of Domination type angle, though they should have Big E & Kofi tag together since they'd make a good power and high flyer team. Reports aren't good for Bo Dallas either but I love his insincere gimmick like "comforting" Jack Swagger for losing to Rusev
   46. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 02:12 AM (#4776104)
Josh Barnett was a pretty good wrestler in New Japan.
   47. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4776710)
I continue to be impressed by Mickie James. Her vs. Trish at Wrestlemania 22 is easily one of the best women's matches I've ever seen.
   48. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 21, 2014 at 08:08 PM (#4776717)
Finally watched Summerslam today after my friend rescheduled. Also watched Monday's Raw. I'm actually pretty happy with Cena/Lesnar; it was the best way to make Brock look like the pure monster he should be. I don't think Reigns/Lesnar is THAT obvious - at this point, who on the roster can conceivably beat Lesnar? I think he should be champ until they build up a worthy contender to go over and beat him clean. Whether it's Daniel Bryan at WM31 or Roman or someone else, it's going to be awhile. I'm not a fan of their rematch at Night of Champions next month, though.

Overall it was a really really good PPV. Three title changes, and a fun lumberjack match. And Orton can drop that RKO from anywhere. Between that and that power slam linked above...his muscle memory and reflexes are amazing.

Anyone else been watching NXT? They are almost embarrassingly rich in talent right now after signing Kenta, Prince Devitt, and Kevin Steen.
   49. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 08:33 PM (#4776739)
A rogue heel male cheerleader group. Can't say I could have conceived such a thing.
   50. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4776748)
I'm not a fan of their rematch at Night of Champions next month, though.

*Puts on fantasy booking hat*

Have Lesnar go over Cena again, but make it closer. After Lesnar wins, Seth Rollins cashes in and (free of Ambrose who is off filming a movie) wins the title. The Authority turns on Lesnar and "fires" him (explaining Lesnar's upcoming tv absence). Rollins becomes the Authority Approved heel champion and when Ambrose comes back their feud re-ignites with the World Title in the picture. Rollins will "win" the feud with Ambrose looking better and then figure out a way to explain Lesnar coming back from being fired and invoking his rematch clause. Lesnar destroys Rollins to regain the belt at the Royal Rumble. Reigns wins the Royal Rumble. Lesnar-Reigns WM 31.

EDIT: Not sure what you do with Cena in my scenario.
   51. Good cripple hitter Posted: August 21, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4776750)
A rogue heel male cheerleader group. Can't say I could have conceived such a thing.


Good timing. Three of them (Johnny, Kenny, Mikey) are teaming up for CHIKARA's annual King of Trio's tournament.

The real fun part of that is most of the members of Spirit Squad were hotshot prospects in WWE's development territory. And then that happened and most of their careers were more or less over.

   52. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 08:51 PM (#4776762)
The real fun part of that is most of the members of Spirit Squad were hotshot prospects in WWE's development territory. And then that happened and most of their careers were more or less over.

That's terrible. My assumption was that these guys were jobbers they had no real use for. So does this mean they seriously thought this was going to work?
   53. Joey B. Posted: August 21, 2014 at 08:59 PM (#4776767)
Wow, a monthly fake wrestling thread now, seriously guys?
   54. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 21, 2014 at 08:59 PM (#4776768)
Yes.
   55. Good cripple hitter Posted: August 21, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4776772)
That's terrible. My assumption was that these guys were jobbers they had no real use for. So does this mean they seriously thought this was going to work?


Without spoiling anything, they put some effort into the gimmick. At least one of the members of the Spirit Squad has had some success, even if it took him a while and a few tries to get there.

ETA: from an interview with Mikey (Mike Mondo): "We were five young guys, it was Vince McMahon’s idea so it was gonna get pushed to the moon."
   56. Joey B. Posted: August 21, 2014 at 09:13 PM (#4776779)
Yes.

I see. Carry on then.
   57. Tubbs & Minnie Miñoso don't fear Sid Monge Posted: August 21, 2014 at 10:56 PM (#4776819)
Josh Barnett was a pretty good wrestler in New Japan.


I think Mark Hunt and a few other Pride guys fought in New Japan at one time or another. All the New Japan tapes I bought were from the 90's so no Barnett unfortunately but I was entertained by Shiro Koshinaka's matches
   58. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 22, 2014 at 01:04 AM (#4776859)
HHH said on NXT tonight that there will be a new GM for NXT announced next week. I hope it's William Regal.
   59. Conor Posted: August 22, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4776901)
I know Lesnar may be out for a few months, but my thought is that if you want to run with Lesnar as the champ at Mania, and to anoint Reigns as the next guy, Lesnar should keep the title until Mania. I'm not totally sure how feasible that is, though. It also brings up the question of how to deal with the money in the bank issue; if Lesnar holds the title till Mania, then obviously you're basically left with 3 months for Rollins to cash it in. But if they want to make Reigns the next big superstar, not sure you want to make his first title reign short. Maybe they could do something where he beats Lesnar at Mania, they have an extreme rules rematch the next month, the match goes basically the same as Cena-Lesnar in 2012, with Reigns winning but taking a beating, Rollins cashes in, and then Reigns takes it back in a month?
   60. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4776922)
[59] Heh. When I wrote [50] it was under the impression that the MITB had to be cashed in by Wrestlemania. I guess that's what I get for watching old and current WWE simultaneously.

Backlash 2006 has to be an all time weird PPV. Vince & Shane vs. Shawn Michaels & God. And Kane vs. Big Show in a Kane has a movie coming out and we are running a feud entirely based on promoting a movie so we're going to have vignettes with Kane being haunted and reacting to the opening date of his movie and also play the movie's opening date on audio loop during the match match.
   61. Conor Posted: August 22, 2014 at 09:38 AM (#4776928)
Backlash 2006 has to be an all time weird PPV. Vince & Shane vs. Shawn Michaels & God. And Kane vs. Big Show in a Kane has a movie coming out and we are running a feud entirely based on promoting a movie so we're going to have vignettes with Kane being haunted and reacting to the opening date of his movie and also play the movie's opening date on audio loop during the match match.


May 19! I still remember the date, so I guess it did something. That was the period when I really started getting back into wrestling; I bought Mania that year and haven't missed one since. Was that the PPV with Edge/HHH/Cena in the main event? I remember the build to that was every week they'd have a handicap match with 1 of the guys in the match vs the other 2, and the 1 would get the win every week.

The Shawn and God tag team was...a thing that happened.
   62. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:14 AM (#4776954)
I am having trouble imagining what that was like. Over the speakers in the arena they had someone say May 19 over and over during a match?
   63. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4776967)
Last eight minutes of Kane-Big Show from Backlash 2006

pro-tip: skip to about 6:15 and don't waste all of your time watching...this. One of the few things I ask from professional wrestling is to not be completely embarrassing. And they (WWE) continue to fail at this.

I know he had his moments with Bryan as a tag team and I know it's been said plenty of times over the last year, but it's hard to believe Kane is still shittin' up tv time in 2014.
   64. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:52 AM (#4777013)
Was that the PPV with Edge/HHH/Cena in the main event?

Yeah, that's the one. This was a pretty good match as well. Good follow up to the HHH-Cena WM22 main event, which was the best old Cena match I've seen so far.* WWE's positioning of Cena as "the most controversial champ ever" is becoming annoying since he's not really controversial, he's just disliked by a large vocal portion of the fanbase. It's amazing that this has been the case for so long and they never figured out a way to "fix" it. When I got into this I thought the Cena hate was a recent thing so I gave them the benefit of the doubt on how they handled but it's now clear to me this has gone on for 8 or 9 years.

One of the few things I ask from professional wrestling is to not be completely embarrassing. And they (WWE) continue to fail at this.

This is why I hate angles that involve vehicles as well as a large chunk of Undertaker/Kane storylines. Speaking of which, Undertaker actually shot lightning out of his hands causing an explosion of the ring posts, which resulted in the ring collapsing following a recent PPV loss to Kurt Angle.

*-One of the funny things about watching old PPVs while current stuff is going on is that a lot of the reaction (storyline and IRL) to Summerslam was that Cena had never taken a beating like that before. However, as soon as that was said I thought about JBL-Cena at WM21 where Cena may have had even less offense than he did at Summerslam...but he won that match.
   65. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 23, 2014 at 07:36 PM (#4777854)
Watching Judgment Day '06. The Great Khali has made his first PPV appearance. I am absolutely shocked that he was already this terrible, this immobile, this uncomfortable looking from this early in his career. I thought what i had seen on tv in '14 was a broken down version of whatever he was, but he looks every bit as bad back then. How has he managed an 8-year career?
   66. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 23, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4777860)
How has he managed an 8-year career?


The dude is over 7' tall and still alive.
That's 90% of his wrestling resume for the WWE, right there.
   67. Good cripple hitter Posted: August 23, 2014 at 08:05 PM (#4777863)

The dude is over 7' tall and still alive.
That's 90% of his wrestling resume for the WWE, right there.


I thought the breakdown was:

30% He's alive
30% He's big
40% He's from India and WWE thought he'd help them in that market.

At one point there was a rumor going around that Khali's matches were being heavily edited when they aired in India. Instead of losing or looking weak, they'd edit the footage so that it looked like he was winning all his matches, and instead of being a heel they'd edit it so he looked like a courageous babyface. Not sure if that one's true, but it's almost certain that Khali was on the roster for that market only.

He was involved in the hilarity of the Punjabi Prison / elevated liver enzymes PPV catastrophe, and that probably was the high point in his WWE run.
   68. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 23, 2014 at 08:52 PM (#4777874)
He was involved in the hilarity of the Punjabi Prison / elevated liver enzymes PPV catastrophe, and that probably was the high point in his WWE run.


I've looked, but I can't find anything about this match you are referencing.
(I see that Khali has had a Punjabi Prison match against Batista, but I don't get the liver enzymes thing.)
Any chance you could give me a (fun-to-read) summary?
   69. Good cripple hitter Posted: August 23, 2014 at 09:48 PM (#4777899)
There's a summary at the beginning of this Botchamania video. It's fun to watch.

Better description than the video:

The Great American Bash in 2006 was supposed to feature Khali vs The Undertaker in the very first Punjabi Prison match. During the PPV, Khali was written out. They had Big Show and Khali beat down Undertaker, which caused Smackdown GM Teddy Long to bizarrely name Big Show as Undertaker's opponent. Later on, WWE announced that Khali wasn't able to participate in the PPV due to "elevated liver enzymes". Similarly, Bobby Lashley was supposed to compete at that PPV vs Finlay, but Teddy Long appeared during the PPV to announce that Lashley was sidelined due to "elevated liver enzymes". Super Crazy was supposed to fight Gregory (Hurricane) Helms, only to be sidelined with (any guesses?) "elevated liver enzymes". All this turned up due to WWE's new Wellness program which was created after Eddie Guerrero died.

So instead of those matches, fans got to see (then-ECW Champion) Big Show take on Undertaker in the debut of Khali's supposed gimmick match, William Regal took on Finlay, and Matt Hardy fought Helms. To add to the problems, Mark Henry was supposed to fight Batista, but was injured right before the PPV. So the Friday before it aired, they announced that Mr Kennedy was replacing Henry. 1/2 the announced PPV card (and pretty much all of the major matches) never aired, almost all of which was due to a mysterious outbreak that targeted wrestlers' livers.
   70. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4777905)
That..that may be the craziest ####### thing I've ever heard.
   71. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:15 PM (#4777908)
[69] I just got really excited to watch GAB '06. Only 3 PPVs to go.
   72. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 23, 2014 at 10:38 PM (#4777918)
I read somewhere recently that lower-card guys take turns driving Khali around on errands and chores because he was such a huge star in India, always waited on hand and foot, and expects that same treatment here.
   73. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 25, 2014 at 09:42 PM (#4779042)
The Brock Lesnar-Paul Heyman combo has been doing jaw dropping work for 4 or 5 weeks now. Tonight's taped segment was awesome, once again. Brock sucks at extended promos but in that environment, with multiple takes, and with WWE's top notch production folks...wow.
   74. The District Attorney Posted: August 25, 2014 at 10:41 PM (#4779061)
I still remember May 19 also. Frightening.

I always assumed, without ever looking into it, that "elevated liver enzymes" = "they failed the steroid test." No?

Meltzer casually tossed off the other day that TNA does indeed has a place to go if and when Spike cancels them (which he does expect to happen). Weird.
   75. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: August 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM (#4779068)
Raw sucked. Not a fan of where this John Cena immediate recovery/redemption story seems to be going.
   76. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 26, 2014 at 01:08 AM (#4779120)
Raw sucked. Not a fan of where this John Cena immediate recovery/redemption story seems to be going.

My first thought was that Cena apparently has a receipt from that loss to Brock written in the blood of Hunter and Steph's kids. I hope I'm wrong.
   77. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: August 26, 2014 at 02:28 AM (#4779141)
Only read a review of tonight's show but it sounded like Cena single-handedly buried the Wyatts. So there's that.

Without Ambrose there's very little reason to watch the current product. Overall the wrestling itself is still pretty good but the angles, storylines, and most of the characters are not entertaining.
   78. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4779218)
One of the few things I ask from professional wrestling is to not be completely embarrassing. And they (WWE) continue to fail at this.


Yep. All I really ask for from a wrestling product is not to insult my intelligence, and it seems like every time I linger on a current show from either WWE or TNA I'm chased off within 5 minutes. I guess since the WWE ran everyone out of business and consolidated the industry under their banner their product is what people want, YR be damned, but I ain't interested and I ain't watching.
   79. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:34 AM (#4779220)
I always assumed, without ever looking into it, that "elevated liver enzymes" = "they failed the steroid test." No?


Amphetamines will do that too. Those guys are on such a cocktail of stuff, who the hell knows what tripped the test.
   80. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4779234)
Without Ambrose there's very little reason to watch the current product.

NXT, my friend.

I was the first person to say that Dean Ambrose should be a movie star but a) I think it's way too soon given the momentum his character has gotten post-Shield and b) it's almost certainly going to be a shitty movie. I'm not sure the roster can afford having another top talent gone right now.
   81. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 27, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4779902)
Not a fan of the Dust Brothers heel turn.
   82. Tubbs & Minnie Miñoso don't fear Sid Monge Posted: August 27, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4779938)
I'm not a fan of the heel turn either, it seemed the fans were into the vignettes and Cody turning into Stardust. I figured we were headed toward a Usos, Rhodes, Harper/Rowan, Big Show/Henry four way match at Night of Champions

The Slater/Gator team has been more entertaining than I thought

Also agree with NJ and am not a fan of the immediate Cena recovery rematch, it should have waited until Survivor Series
   83. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: August 27, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4779943)
Yep. All I really ask for from a wrestling product is not to insult my intelligence, and it seems like every time I linger on a current show from either WWE or TNA I'm chased off within 5 minutes.

If you survived 1980 through the Attitude Era, today's pretty easy to stomach. I mean this probably doesn't even make the Top 50 Most Embarrassing Wrestling Things.

   84. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 27, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4779951)
Linky no worky in #83
   85. andrewberg Posted: August 27, 2014 at 12:29 PM (#4779964)
Meltzer casually tossed off the other day that TNA does indeed has a place to go if and when Spike cancels them (which he does expect to happen). Weird.


The reports I have read made it sound like they have a fallback option on the table with some offshoot of the Discovery channel for something like 25% of what Spike pays them to produce the show now. Without an expiration date on that offer, I can see why they would wait to sign it to see if something better comes up. Ironically, they might be better off with a lower budget if it forces them to trim some of the useless wrestlers and/or big name castoffs from their roster. I still maintain that a really good company could be built around Joe, Aries, Styles (too late for that one), and a few others.

Without Ambrose there's very little reason to watch the current product.


I fully understand putting him in a movie, but doing it when he is the hottest babyface, Bryan remains hurt, Punk has left fairly recently, AND the "anti-Cena" smark babyface role is played by an absentee champ means that part of the card is frightfully thin.

Speaking of the upper-midcard faces, I wrote this about Roman Reigns this week.
   86. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: August 27, 2014 at 04:54 PM (#4780252)
Here's what I linked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyTUOEYgg88
   87. The District Attorney Posted: August 27, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4780301)
The reports I have read made it sound like they have a fallback option on the table with some offshoot of the Discovery channel for something like 25% of what Spike pays them to produce the show now.
Yeah, it's funny -- it turns out to be the one wacko channel ("Velocity") with which I am intimately familiar. My dad watches car auctions on there all the time, and so do his friends. In fact, I may know a substantial fraction of the people who watch the station, considering that IIRC, like 2/3 of people with cable can't get it. Also, all the people I'm talking about are senior citizens, and thus might as well be dead to advertisers. (Although given how wrestling doesn't seem to have gained any new viewers in the last 15 years and thus the average age of its fanbase is skyrocketing, it's entirely possible that at least senior citizens might watch.)
   88. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: August 29, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4781962)
I've heard nothing but bad things about The Ross Report podcast, but then heard enough good things about his interview of Tony Schiavone. What a treat. Seems like a pretty chill dude and I'm glad he's moved on from and at peace with this carny business. A recommended listen.
   89. smileyy Posted: August 29, 2014 at 05:01 PM (#4781996)
All I really ask for from a wrestling product is not to insult my intelligence


That is a statement that is very much at odds with itself. Wrestling has always been filled with juvenile crap. Thing is, with the juvenile crap in the past, either we were juvenile back then, or have forgotten about it because it was forgettable.
   90. andrewberg Posted: September 01, 2014 at 12:53 AM (#4783024)
Anyone know of a way to watch PWG BOLA show?
   91. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: September 02, 2014 at 09:46 AM (#4783547)
The Bella twins storyline is ridiculous enough without considering that Cena's girlfriend is now with the Authority. And Michael Sam is making an appearance next week??
   92. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: September 02, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4783576)
Speaking of the upper-midcard faces, I wrote this about Roman Reigns this week.


Interesting comparison to Goldberg. Except for his catchphrase, I don't remember Goldberg on the mic at all during his WCW push (he did a bit more during his brief WWE run). But on his new podcast, Goldberg's entertaining and engaging.
   93. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: September 02, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4783585)
And Michael Sam is making an appearance next week??

Either he'll show up for some unjustifiable reason or we'll get DaMichael SamDow.
   94. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 02, 2014 at 10:58 AM (#4783619)
All I really ask for from a wrestling product is not to insult my intelligence

That is a statement that is very much at odds with itself. Wrestling has always been filled with juvenile crap. Thing is, with the juvenile crap in the past, either we were juvenile back then, or have forgotten about it because it was forgettable.


The juvenile crap wasn't always front-and-center of the product. I wasn't raised on WWE-style "sports entertainment", I grew up with the Southern style popular in the NWA territories, Mid-South and Mid-Atlantic and Georgia and FCW, more traditional American pro-wrestling where the veneer of legitimacy was still important in the overall presentation of the product. The success of the WWF style really hit the territories hard and they looked stupid trying to play catch-up with childish characters and increasingly goofy storylines. Mid-90s All Japan still held that territorial flavor of wrestling, although they went a little too vigorously in to the shootsytle of head-dropped that wasn't really sustainable. Pre-Hogan WCW still had some of that flavor too, especially when Bill Watts was running the show and pushing Vader and Doc & Gordy vs The Steiners as top-card players.

Then the Hulkster showed up with his entourage of talentless flunkies and everything went to #### in a hurry. I could appreciate the cruiserweights and some of the midcarders but you always knew in the back of your mind that crap like this was what the promotion was going to revolve around.
   95. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: September 02, 2014 at 10:58 AM (#4783620)
It's just strange. Just push the openly gay wrestler they already have.
   96. Canker Soriano Posted: September 02, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4783666)
I would assume that they made this Sam announcement after having already reached an agreement with him to show up. But what the hell are they going to do with him? They can't bring someone out to insult him for cheap heat - they'll get pilloried in the press. I can't imagine any value in just letting him talk for a couple of minutes, then leave. And I doubt he's ready to abandon football and become a wrestler. That leaves bait and switch, as suggested. (Though honestly I liked Sandow as Miz's second yesterday - make them a team with Sandow wholly devoted to protecting Miz's face. It gives them another team to put in the mix, it gets Miz out of the singles title picture where he doesn't belong, and eventually when Sandow turns on him that's another built-in program.)
   97. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: September 02, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4783724)
I assumed "invited" meant his appearance is contingent on him not signing with another team before next Monday. But yeah, who knows what they have in mind.
   98. andrewberg Posted: September 02, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4783745)
Then the Hulkster showed up with his entourage of talentless flunkies and everything went to #### in a hurry.


How dare you imply that The Bootyman was a talentless flunky! Also, who are you to doubt El Dandy?
   99. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 02, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4783760)
How dare you imply that The Bootyman was a talentless flunky!


Oh, compared to this abomination, "The Booty Man" was a gimmick of great dignity and potential. Ed Leslie rubbing his butt over everything had a certain homoerotic charm.

(Seriously, everyone can afford the 60 seconds it takes for this to illustrate my point about getting your intelligence insulted)
   100. Canker Soriano Posted: September 02, 2014 at 01:20 PM (#4783791)
Also, who are you to doubt El Dandy?

I'd kill to see them bring back something similar to El Dandy, La Parka, and the rest. Give them 10 minutes at the top of every RAW to do all the crazy spots they can think of to rile the crowd up. It would sure beat starting every RAW with 15-20 minutes of talking. Yak yak yak, all the time.

And I had forgotten about how silly the Dungeon of Doom angle was. I always liked Kevin Sullivan when he was doing his devil worshiping and Varsity Club stuff. But this was shockingly awful and stupid, and at one point the Dungeon of Doom had as many people in it as the NWO eventually did. You couldn't turn around in that locker room without running into someone who was in the Dungeon. Not to mention that Tower of Doom match with the stacked cages.
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