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Monday, October 27, 2014

OT: Wrestling Thread November 2014

Given that the old wrestling thread got shut down, here is a new one that shamelessly links to my Hell in a Cell review!

aberg Posted: October 27, 2014 at 01:47 PM | 2316 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2301. Man o' Schwar Posted: October 24, 2018 at 05:02 PM (#5774382)
Unless it's a work.

No possible way. You can work a storyline around a lot of things, but you can't do cancer, at least not like this. Roman would be useless to them. His merch sales would drop to nothing. He'd probably get death threats and they'd have security issues to deal with at live events. So many people have lost family members to cancer, it's just not something you joke about.

(Sponsors would pull out too. That partnership with Susan G. Konen would be gone. Make-a-Wish would probably distance themselves. The whole Connor's Cure thing would seem like a big joke.)

Vince has done a lot of questionable stuff, but even he knows better than to try this.
   2302. Chokeland Bill Posted: October 28, 2018 at 10:27 PM (#5778428)
Well, WWE really didn't do a great job with the promotion of Evolution, but the show itself was pretty good. Great work by the ladies tonight. I wish the MYC match had gotten an extra 5 minutes or so, could have really been something special.
   2303. Man o' Schwar Posted: October 29, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5778945)
Yeah, I think they did themselves a disservice by making it all about how historic and groundbreaking and revolutionary this was. As a PPV, it was solid, definitely in the mid- to upper tier of PPVs that WWE has done this year. The Becky/Charlotte match would have stood out on any PPV card, and might have been the best main roster match of 2018.

(And I know that it's historic and revolutionary and all that, but having all the women gather on stage at the end of the PPV bugged me. It reminds me of GLOW, where they all come out after the first show and dance/sing in the ring together. It looks kind of bush league, in a "I've got a barn, let's put on a show" sort of way. I don't want to not see more all-women PPVs in the future, but I do want to see more time given to women's matches on regular PPVs, and more thought given to women's storylines.

For that matter, more thought to men's storylines as well. I guess that's a universal WWE problem.)
   2304. aberg Posted: October 29, 2018 at 05:48 PM (#5779185)
Agreed with 2302. I think the 6-woman tag got about 14 min bell to bell and the MYC only got 10. If that's how much time those two matches were going to get, I'd have it be more like 16-8 MYC match vs tag.

Loved Becky vs. Charlotte. It reminded me a little of Bret vs. Austin with the brawling around the arena and never say die attitudes. I'm also glad that Becky won pretty cleanly. It seems like they have embraced that she has become very popular as a heel, so let her run with it.
   2305. Chokeland Bill Posted: November 13, 2018 at 10:01 PM (#5787046)
Well, they did the impossible, and it seems to have worked.
   2306. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: November 13, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5787068)
I am legitimately shocked that I'm at a point in my life where Becky Lynch, someone I've always struggled to see the upside with, is currently must-watch TV for me.
   2307. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 13, 2018 at 11:47 PM (#5787070)
I take it she's doing the Irish step-dancing gimmick again?
   2308. Chokeland Bill Posted: November 14, 2018 at 12:29 AM (#5787077)
Johnny Gargano, Becky Lynch, and Daniel Bryan are now all heels. It's gone gangbusters for Becky, Gargano is still TBD. Bryan originally got over that way, so maybe it could pan out. Hard to see him beating Brock, but do they really kill the turn's momentum just a few days later? Feels like a non-finish could be coming.

I was pretty against the Becky turn, but man she is killing it as a performer. Of course, she's not really a heel if she is the most popular person on both shows....

The injury might even pan out in the biggest way possible for her. Are they really going to go back to Charlotte and Ronda at Mania after burning through it this Sunday? Or do they run with Becky all the way?

Nia Jax really needs to lose her push. How many people does she need to injure? This one was about as blatant as it gets.
   2309. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: November 14, 2018 at 09:23 AM (#5787130)
It will be interesting if they stick with Bryan as champ. I figure they have been hesitant to put a title on him since he's an injury risk & maybe this will be a quick reign & having him as a heel will make it easier to take the title off him

I began watching WWE again in 2014 so I haven't seen Bryan as a heel but I think having him turn heel now hurts the narrative of the face underdog vs. monster heel Lesnar

I actually much prefer AJ as a heel, I loved his work with the Bullet Club in NJPW & his brief time with Guns & Gallows terrorizing John Cena in WWE

I also think Charlotte (like her father) is a much better fit as a heel. Becky is a surprisingly good heel though
   2310. Chokeland Bill Posted: November 14, 2018 at 10:22 AM (#5787178)
Apparently Bryan pitched the heel turn himself. It does make the Lesnar match weird, it probably should have been saved for AJ's rematch.
   2311. aberg Posted: November 14, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5787495)
Bryan was an outstanding heel before he got to WWE. That's hardly relevant now, but if he borrows from that character, it could help him here. Some of the best heel runs in the history of the business have been the guys who were hard to imagine turning (Hogan 96, Bret 97).
   2312. rconn23 Posted: November 14, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5787508)
Bryan should have been pushing to be a heel because he probably doesn't trust creative to get him over strong as a face. Look at the job they've done since his return. Not great. The heel turn was needed.

That being said, I have no idea what to expect from the Lesnar match. My preferred ending would be a Styles or Strowman run in, with either a DQ or Bryan winning. It would be silly to have Bryan get destroyed just days after giving him the belt and a fresh persona.
   2313. aberg Posted: November 15, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5787869)
Bryan should have been pushing to be a heel because he probably doesn't trust creative to get him over strong as a face. Look at the job they've done since his return. Not great. The heel turn was needed.


Not only that, but the established top babyface on his show is also a technically-strong, physically small, never-say-die underdog character.

I would imagine AJ gets involved in the Bryan-Brock match since he has nothing else on the show. That's a match I've wanted to see for about five years, so I'm glad we get to see it in some fashion.
   2314. Chokeland Bill Posted: November 18, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5789082)
Brock is still damn good when he wants to be. I really thought it was possible he would tap. That would have blown the roof of the place.

NXT still wins the weekend, obv
   2315. NJ in NY (Now with Toddler!) Posted: November 20, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5789602)
Only watched Bryan-Brock and Charlotte-Ronda.

Everyone seems to have loved Charlotte-Ronda, but I didn't. Probably unfair, but in my head I can't help but compare it to Charlotte-Becky Last The Man Standing and it didn't come near that for me in terms of intensity/brutality/storytelling. Also, with Charlotte now presumably a heel how does that impact Becky's push?

Bryan-Brock was so so so so good! I've been disappointed at the reality of a lot of the recent "dream matches" that have come to fruition, but this one...this one did not disappoint. I didn't think Brock would tap, but I did think that Bryan might be able to pin. Loved the storytelling. Bryan sold the suplexes like death. Both guys came off looking stronger for the match.
   2316. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: November 20, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5789616)
Everyone seems to have loved Charlotte-Ronda, but I didn't. Probably unfair, but in my head I can't help but compare it to Charlotte-Becky Last The Man Standing and it didn't come near that for me in terms of intensity/brutality/storytelling. Also, with Charlotte now presumably a heel how does that impact Becky's push?


I would think it functionally kills it. They just made Charlotte v Rousey the WM feud. That means they have to get to work getting Charlotte back to the top of the Smackdown women's division. I mean, that's what they always wanted right? Becky was turned and given a slight push so they didn't give away Charlotte and Rousey too early. Her explosion in popularity was a happy accident. I don't know why anyone, given WWE's history, would expect the last few months to change their plans. Becky got hurt and this was their way of getting back on track for WM. They gave us a taste without giving away the whole thing and set up the feud all in one go.
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