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a) In what world is Bibi a lefty???
b) It's even less politically feasible, but doesn't a three state solution (Israel/Gaza/West Bank) essentially codifying the current arrangement seem the most practical solution?
According to Wikipedia, an world in which environmental influences before and after birth have an effect on handedness, and as both motor control of speaking and handiwork require fine motor skills, having one hemisphere of the brain do both would be more efficient than having it divided up.
Certainly seems more practical. Long-term wacky boundaries in which a chunk of a country is on the other side of another country sounds like a pain in the butt. See West Prussia.
You have a somewhat dry sense of humor, Dan.
I think East Pakistan would be a more apt example...
East Pakistan did not survive, and there was a war when it unraveled. But Alaska isn't going anywhere.
And speaking of Prussia, or ex-Prussia, there is now Kaliningrad (formerly Königsberg) - Russia, wedged between Poland and Lithuania.
Yeah, that's a weird one. What are the people there? Russians? Poles? Lithuanians? Germans?
Alaska isn't really a good example. Nobody lives up in Alaska, or and the two surrounding Canadian provinces, British Columbia, and the Yukon either have their population center much further away, or none at all. There's simply isn't enough people in either area to have a dispute. While places like Pakistan or Palestine seems to be bursting with people, which helps create tension.
54-40 or continued pleasant relations!
Today?
Probably Russians... Stalin pulled a Hitler and poured Russian settlers into the area after the Red Army overran Prussia - expelling the Germans who didn't leave of their own accord. I think the same thing had occurred centuries before, replacing "Russians" and "Germans" with "Poles", "Lithuanians", "Teutons", etc.
My own genealogy traces a part of its history to the area (back the Polish/Lithuanian days) -- but I've never been able to learn whether we were part of a wave that kicked out original inhabitants or were inhabitants who found themselves expelled.... so I'm not certain if I'm oppressed or oppressive by birthright ;-)
We make fun of Canadians, but I'm pretty sure we get along with them better than Israels and its neighbors do!
Anyway, it's easier with an ocean. You can't drive to Alaska without going through Canada, but you can fly from the west coast to Alaskan cities without going over any other country's airspace.
According to wiki, about a million people live in the Kaliningrad Oblast, and their ethnicity is given as 86% Russian with most of the rest being Ukranian and Belorussian. Poles, Germans, and Lithuanians are all at 1% or less. What this ethnic distribution represents is an extremely effective act of ethnic cleansing between 1944 and 1950. The Germans all went somewhere else and never came back.
I'm also confused why the umpire is in the baseline, and is wearing a sweater.
I think on balance, the cartoon is fair. The umpire appears to be in better shape than the average MLB umpire and presumably has successfully counted to two at some point.
Looking at that motion, I think Netanyahu is going to need rotator cuff surgery at some point.
because the cartoonist doesn't understand baseball
The lucky ones went somewhere else. Lots didn't make it out, and most of the women who did were gang raped.
My Polish family was forced resttled into the old German town of Stettin (Szeczin today). They were expelled from the Polish/Lithuanian border region taken by the Soviets. Thats the ones that were left after repeated exiles to Siberia.
It's a real sin that there was no accounting for the ex-KGB/NKVD/MGU after the USSR fell. There were a lot of old monsters that needed to be put up against a wall and shot. Not to mention they need to did up Lenin and Stalin and dump them in a cesspool somewhere.
Yeah -
Of course, lots of the Germans who were there had kicked out the previous inhabitants just a generation/decade before... and the Lithuanians had kicked out the Germans before that... and the Poles before that...
It's like the Baltic's own like slice of the Balkans -- it's always been an important geographic area in the Baltic and has been forever being conquered, inhabitants expelled, resettled, rinse, repeat.
No, that area was German from the days of the Teutonic knights. Germany lost territory after WWI in that area.
They went to Germany. Fun fact: the population of Germany didn't actually fall from 1939 to 1945, despite the war, because so many ethnic Germans were forced out of Eastern Europe and back into Germany.
For one thing, nobody (except a girl, or a guy who throws like one) finishes their throwing motion with their arm stretched straight out, perpendicular to the ground like that. They carry their arm downwards on the follow through after releasing the ball.
For one thing, nobody (except a girl, or a guy who throws like one) finishes their throwing motion with their arm stretched straight out, perpendicular to the ground like that. They carry their arm downwards on the follow through after releasing the ball.
Also, they seem to be playing on the tiniest baseball diamond in history.
[Edit: Upon further reflection, I think someone else hit the umpire (probably Barry Bonds) and the 15-foot-tall Netanyahu Golem was futilely trying to defend him, but he just couldn't get there in time, held back by the weight of his extremely round, long buttocks.
And yet no other fielders are in sight.
And my taxes didn't go up too much, just the SS and Medicare/Obamacare thing. So, not a bad day.
Also, I really hope that great Korean baseball cartoonist gets back in the game.
Such a "solution" would be equivalent to "Greater Israel," which is what Bibi and Avi are playing for anyway.
MOTHER!
I aware of the larger goals of Bibi and Lieberman's coalition. It's not a terribly hard thing to suss out, David. I mean, you don't need a secret handshake or anything.
The dreaded inverted-mem.
Maybe Bibi played a lot of darts, and hasn't really adjusted to baseball yet.
And yet no other fielders are in sight.
And the pitcher's mound is nowhere close to being in the center of the diamond.
Hmm, so you are saying that this is a balk and actually not an E1.
That was funny.
Al Jazeera to acquire Current TV!
Of course this made me giggle, because I'm the one who needed Sam by saying that his understanding of Israeli/Palestinian politics/societies was roughly akin to DMN's understanding of US Politics/Society during the civil rights era...
A "three state solution" would not be remotely equivalent to the "Greater Israel" sought by some on the Israeli Right-
that would require the expulsion of most Palestinians from the West bank into Jordan, and the annexation of the West Bank into Israel "proper"- as insane as that idea is, those seeking a Greater Israel are nonetheless actually pretty stumped about what to do with Gaza... although I think the preferred "solution" is letting Egypt have it. Of course most of the Israeli Right exists in an echo chamber that is remarkably hermetically self-sealed and constrained even by US partisan ideologue echo chamber standards.
Reminds me of this guy.
See, that's interesting and helpful. So, the opposite of a David post. My understanding is that any solution that doesn't apply some sort of contiguous line border and a shared capitol of Jerusalem is little more than biding time until the settlers occupy every square inch of Palestinian Jerusalem and make it a moot point.
And, just for kicks, Resolution 181(II), the original "Two-State Solution."
yes the "settler" goal is to eventually make it a "moot point"
of course the religiously motivated leaders of the settler movement are also clinically insane.
As a voting bloc they have something in common with some here- while never an actual majority of the voting populace, by consistent bloc voting they nonetheless manage to either end up in charge and get what they want or at the very least, are in a position to veto what they don't want- and they are intensely goal oriented- what they want trumps EVERYTHING and EVERYONE else every time- and they are shameless about it- if they want "A" they will support any coalition that will let them have "A"- what that particular coalition stands for with respect to issues "B," "C" and "D" is immaterial- B,C and D may be the single most important issues by far to a majority of Israelis- but the Settlers will pivot 180 degrees on those issues repeatedly and without hesitation to gain advantage in their quest to advance "A"
In a world where the cartoonist knows that if he'd drawn him as a righty, his name would have had to have been placed on the front of his uniform in order for us to see it, which would offend us purists.
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When it comes to PEDs, Andy's definitely a baseball TPer.
Yeah, a TPer who'd vote for Clemens, Sosa and Bagwell. Some TPer.
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Reminds me of this guy.
Not bad, but nothing along those lines could ever compete with the National Lampoon in its prime.
But then there's this place, one of my favorite geographical oddities, if not on the scale of Kaliningrad.
And Avi Lieberman is one of them, and Bibi Netenyahu serves their interest in much the same way John Boehner has served the Teaper interests to date.
Alaska is connected to the U.S. by sea. I don't know of any case where a nation was divided into two slices with no land or sea connections between the two (ignoring a handful of tiny exclaves in border regions of places like Switzerland and Spain).
I have relatives who lived in Danzig, and they weren't German. Nor were they Polish. They were Kashubs, who formed a political plurality in the region of the later Polish corridor. Of course, neither the Germans nor the Poles recognized the Kashubs as a real people, to the detriment of the Kashubs ... unless, of course, it was to their advantage (I read a German book written in the 1920s lamenting the injustice of having lost the territory of West Prussia, because it's population was 30% German and 40% Kashubish -- "who are Germans, of course!". Yeah, right...
It's not just you.
Given they were a relatively sane country stuck between Germany and the Soviet Union, the optimal borders of Poland were "as big as freaking possible."
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Netanyahu's actions make a two-state peace-process more difficult.
That is what the cartoon is saying. Is that somehow offensive?
Not defending Hamas in any way, but its shocking how rarely its pointed out that the Likud charter explicitly rejects the creation of a Palestinian state. Of course, Netanyahu has said he supports one, but Khaled Meshaal has said he would agree to a peace based on '67 borders. Don't think I really believe either of them.
Yes, because the cartoon calls his actions 'an error'.
Of course it's no error on his part - it's a strategic choice, like throwing a waste pitch instead of a strike on an 0-2 count.
No. At least not recently.
NYT, 12/8/12:
The governing Likud coalition clearly has minimal interest in advancing any form of Palestinian state, though. Go go Ramat Shlomo!
Not sure how, even if that's true, it makes the cartoon offensive.
Not defending Hamas in any way, but its shocking how rarely its pointed out that the Likud charter explicitly rejects the creation of a Palestinian state. Of course, Netanyahu has said he supports one, but Khaled Meshaal has said he would agree to a peace based on '67 borders. Don't think I really believe either of them.
Hamas has become more popular among Palestinians because they have lost faith in Fatah to further their cause. I think it's fair to say that Israel's historical dealings with Fatah have made many Palestinians believe that Fatah will never be able to achieve anything of importance as the ruling party.
Well its all on how far back you go no innt? Since the teotonic knights were there crusading against Lithuanian pagans.
It's not Chrome. It's the image at the top fixing the column with combined with the size of your screen, resolution, and browser zoom (people will get this problem at different column widths based on those factors). Usually it happens when people make liberal use of the code tag in the comments.
You can use ctrl and - to reduce the browser zoom level (ctrl and + to zoom back in), but this will reduce the size of the text as well.
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No, an independent Gaza is pretty hopeless - it remains more or less a refugee camp in that case, too many people, too little land, and too little to do with it. That's not as true of the West Bank, though I'm not really sure it's viable either. A three state solution (Israel/Egypt/Jordan - i.e., the 1948 - 1967 situation) is the most practical solution, but it's wildly unfeasible. As noted above, the only feasible solution is the continued slow push out of Palastinians, followed by waiting long enough for everyone to stop caring. Data from America/Canada/Australia suggests this begins after ~100 years, and is complete by ~400 years, but it's not clear that situation is totally applicable here. I don't know a better case, though.
If you think Singapore is a viable comparison to Gaza, I have some waterfront property on Baffin island to sell you for half what it costs in Miami.
Some folks are offended if you suggest that Israel is even vaguely capable of doing anything wrong.
See what I mean? This isn't in the same zip code as being right. Lieberman is not at all one of them. That's like saying that because the religious right was anti-communist, and Barry Goldwater was anti-communist, he must have been a member of the religious right. just because you think religious people are crazy and 'settlers' are crazy doesn't mean that they are the same people. Lieberman is a Soviet immigrant. That's an entirely different electoral group in Israel.
Most 'settlers' are not religious, most single-issue religious voters do not have the settlements as their single issue, and settlements and outposts are not the same thing.
Wrong. Again. As usual.
I didn't say they were the "same people." I said they had the same political goals. Avi Lieberman's goal is the elimination of Palestinians and any hope of a Palestinian state. Avi Lieberman's goal is "Greater Israel." The fact that he may, or may not be, a religious nutjob like the settler movement doesn't change the fact that he is aligned with those folks for political aims.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised when you split hairs like this, pretending that self-ID trumps voting behavior and policy goals. After all, you repeatedly claim to be something other than a right wing Republican yourself.
Is a nuclear armed bully currently blockading Singapore?
Slink away now that you've admitted that your comparison is stupid.
No, that it has nothing from which to build. Singapore has numerous advantages, and was built up organically. Gaza really has no advantages, and was built by herding people to undesirable land. The Palastinians would probably be better off on Baffin Island, where there's at least money to be made from mining and fishing. Canada might go for it. Or they might not notice until it's too late.
Over all these years, I never considered the possibility that you couldn't actually read. Interesting.
I intensely dislike a lot of what Israel does (and the ultra-orthodox are complete nutters), but I can't honestly say that if I faced the kind of existential threat they do, I would act any better than the Israelis.
well your answer was ambiguous-
he said,
you said,
Your answer could mean,
No, I don't even read the Nation, or
No, I read others things besides the Nation, or
No, I do not need to read anything besides the Nation
Dave, being a lawyer, noticed the ambiguity and applied the principal of contra proferentem, which basically means that if someone drafts an ambiguous statement you can construe it against that person so long as your alternative construction is reasonable.
Of course, I'm more likely to marry Eva Mendes than see either of those things happen.
Of course, I'm more likely to marry Eva Mendes than see either of those things happen.
An easier solution would be for Jordan to accept the Palestinians as citizens in exchange for much of the West Bank, and probably a large financial settlement from the UN.
Then you'd have a real gov't that would have a chance of stamping out terrorism, and a gov't that would actually be afraid of Israeli retaliation.
Total. It would become part of Jordan.
Edit: another good feature to make a workable settlement would be for Jordan to establish some kind of "sanctuary region" for Arab Christians, who are being persecuted and driven out of the Arab world. It would give the Hashemite monarchy another potential support base to counter the Palestinian and Islamist blocks, and would help garner world support for Jordan.
If you excluded East Jerusalem, I suspect you could convince most Israelis to go for it, and force out the settlers. Without that ... maybe not.
There is no possible just solution to the Palestinian situation as long as a sizeable and influential segment of the Jewish/Israeli world supports the destruction of Palestine.
You also don't have to force all the settlers out. It doesn't have to be a exact transfer of the currently defined West Bank. You want to give Israel and Jordan a defensible reasonable frontier.
I intensely dislike a lot of what Hamas does (and the ultra-orthodox are complete nutters), but I can't honestly say that if I faced the kind of existential threat they do, I would not act better than the Palestinians.
I am familiar with David's common tactics to wrapping himself in legalistic parsing to avoid honest debate. It's not a new trick for him. No one with a passing familiarity with me would have honestly misread my statement above. David is parsing, because lawyers gotta hide behind something to prevent folks from noticing their lack of intellectual robes.
Sure, if you cede the entire fight, I'm sure most Israelis would sign up for that.
Except no sizeable or influential segment of the Israeli population supports driving Arabs out of the region, or even the West Bank. The radical Arab/Islamists have a genocidal agenda that the Israeli's lack.
I suppose I'd be perfectly happy to tell them "Feel free to leave, or feel free to become Jordanians."
I see no reasonable interpretation under which East Jerusalem is the entire fight. A solution that's far better for the Palastinians than the status quo is certainly not them giving away everything.
You mean except the Settler movement, which runs the entire right wing policy goal setting process, which is strongly supported by the majority government of Israel, from Lieberman through Netenyahu?
Do you honestly expect the Palestinians to cede their claim to Jerusalem as a shared capitol?
Anything that doesn't give the Palestinians/Arabs control of the Al-Aqsa Mosque is a non-starter.
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