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Thursday, February 28, 2013

[OTP - March] Scott wants money for spring training teams

While working at the Detroit Tigers’ spring facility in Lakeland, Gov. Rick Scott announced today he will ask the Florida Legislature to set aside $5 million a year for projects specifically aimed at improving the Major League Baseball training facilities in the state.

“It’s my job as governor to make sure Florida remains the number one destination for spring training and that is why we will work to provide $5 million annually to only be used for spring training facilities,” Scott said in a statement that was released while Scott was participating in one of his “work days” with the Tigers at Joker Marchant Stadium in Lakeland.

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   2101. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:32 AM (#4393494)
If it's not a sacred cow, Matt wouldn't have huffed off aghast at my heresy.


Has Matt posted on the site since his hysterical spate of posts?
   2102. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4393498)
Matt wouldn't have huffed off aghast at my heresy.

It is pretty easy to see that his trouble was with what he deemed collective heresy, frequently repeated, not singular.
   2103. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4393499)
I recall that Andy felt that Good Face deserved to be brought to his demise be cause Good Face... stated his opinion about health care.


I think I was one of the first to call Andy out on how inappropriate I found that ... but it was a long time ago and I think (hope) everyone has forgiven, forgotton and moved on. Given my recent posting history (oops) I am all on board the f & f train.

----

My second favorite ice cream is peanut butter and third is cinamon (sp?), especially on Apple Pie. The best is salted caramel. My brother basically only eats vanilla, but I love him anyway.
   2104. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4393500)
I mean, how conveeenient. You got a secret handshake, too?


It's just a standard high five. Followed by a non-consensual fingering of the anus. (Too soon?)
   2105. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM (#4393504)
And now I want Salted Caramel Ice Cream. Please send me some. And a couch to eat it on. Thanks.

You can't have it. Might be my favorite flavor ... when I go to the local ice cream bus.
I'm with you on the at least the vast majority of the rest of your post as well, BM.

I'd like to know more about Cyprus - educate me.
   2106. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM (#4393505)
Seriously why is is not OK to express unhappiness with the direction of a given thread and then leave? Is there something in the TOS that says this is bad, is it an unwritten internet rule, does one lose mythical man points, what is the deal?

I think communicating ones unhappiness is better than suffering in silence. And if one sees no change isn't it better to leave than either be unhappy in silence or continually post about being unhappy?

Maybe he is wrong to feel unhappy,because you know other people should be able to dictate what makes you happy, I am pretty sure that is how freedom and America works.

Honestly why would you give grief to someone over that?

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And I think ice cream with marshmallows in it is evil. Why do people do that to ice cream. Yuck.
   2107. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4393508)
I'd like to know more about Cyprus - educate me.


Island. Mediterranean. Half Greek. Half Turk. Fully ###### economically. Bail outs. Bank runs. Minotaurs.

That last bit's a lie. That was actually Crete, I think.
   2108. The Good Face Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM (#4393510)
I this thread? I don't think so, has any one wished for your demise?


Tough to say, there are always plotters. Watching. Hating. Eating ice cream and posting nonsense.
   2109. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4393511)
Seriously why is is not OK to express unhappiness with the direction of a given thread and then leave? Is there something in the TOS that says this is bad, is it an unwritten internet rule, does one lose mythical man points, what is the deal?


Because it shuts down the ability of anyone to respond to you or your concerns. No TOS rules about it, obviously, but "taking the ball and going home" is not something I think of as a particularly useful option.
   2110. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4393513)
[Stricken comment]
   2111. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4393514)
Worst ice cream ever: bubble-gum flavored, with gum in it. I still remember that even though I was only about 10. Just awful, made worse by my desire to keep eating it because hey, it's ice cream! Ugh.
   2112. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4393515)
But I think they are children and should be tried as such according to the local law

16 and 17 y.o.'s are not children. The drive, drink, smoke, fornicate, and commit crimes like adults. They are clearly much, much closer to adults than to 10 y.o.'s.

I really, really don't get the sympathy for 16 and 17 y.o. violent criminals. This is not shoplifting, or joyriding, or even a drunken brawl, where you can claim youthful irresponsibility.

Hell, if one of the guys was hooking up with her alone in a bedroom, and had sex with her, and it turned out she was blackout drunk, I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But this is an evil act, repeatedly violating and humiliating someone who has no possibility of defending herself for the amusment of a crows of depraved gawkers. To me they deserve every bit of the adult punishment.
   2113. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4393516)
Can't eat ice cream (lactose intolerance), & the only Salted Caramel thing I've ever had was some sort of frappucino at Starbucks a few months ago. I didn't like it at all. I think I've liked every other frozen Starbucks thing I've ever had (as I've noted elsewhere, I don't drink hot coffee, or for that matter hot anything else, except maybe hot chocolate on really, really cold days), & Salted Caramel sounds like a flavor combination I'd love, but ... not in this case.

Oh, well.
   2114. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM (#4393517)
[Stricken comment]

Hee. Too late!
   2115. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:46 AM (#4393519)
I recall that Andy felt that Good Face deserved to be brought to his demise be cause Good Face... stated his opinion about health care.


I think I was one of the first to call Andy out on how inappropriate I found that ... but it was a long time ago

If I were Morty, I would have described the outcome of that incident as a 30 day banishment to the BTF Gulag for a thoughtcrime that violated some sort of sacred cow. Gee, isn't victimization fun!

   2116. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:46 AM (#4393520)
Hee. Too late!


Well, it was applicable at the time.
   2117. The Good Face Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4393523)
Can't eat ice cream (lactose intolerance), & the only Salted Caramel thing I've ever had was some sort of frappucino at Starbucks a few months ago. I didn't like it at all. I think I've liked every other frozen Starbucks thing I've ever had (as I've noted elsewhere, I don't drink hot coffee, or for that matter hot anything else, except maybe hot chocolate on really, really cold days), & Salted Caramel sounds like a flavor combination I'd love, but ... not in this case.


What the hell CAN you eat? I'm picturing either Dickensian bowls of gruel or perhaps Bachelor Chow.
   2118. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM (#4393526)
If I were Morty, I would have described the outcome of that incident as a 30 day banishment to the BTF Gulag for a thoughtcrime that violated some sort of sacred cow. Gee, isn't victimization fun


Take it up with Jimmy, chief.
   2119. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM (#4393527)
What the hell CAN you eat? I'm picturing either Dickensian bowls of gruel or perhaps Bachelor Chow.


Heh. You said "Dick."
   2120. Canker Soriano Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:58 AM (#4393528)
Worst ice cream ever: bubble-gum flavored, with gum in it. I still remember that even though I was only about 10. Just awful, made worse by my desire to keep eating it because hey, it's ice cream! Ugh.

It wasn't worth responding to the last few hundred posts, but this is the just wrong. Bubble gum ice cream is awesome (and I'm assuming you're remembering the version that Baskin Robbins came out with many years back). I used to love that stuff, and it's a tragedy that it's not still available.

If there was more bubble gum ice cream available, I bet there would be fewer drunken teenagers sexually assaulting their passed out classmates. You can't do such a thing when your heart is full of frozen gummy goodness.
   2121. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: March 21, 2013 at 11:59 AM (#4393529)
Can't eat ice cream (lactose intolerance)

I won't stand for any intolerance.

My buddy's wife has it difficult. She's a vegan that has a soy allergy. She's pretty thin, I'm actually a little impressed that she's actually alive.
   2122. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4393530)
If I were Morty, I would have described the outcome of that incident as a 30 day banishment to the BTF Gulag for a thoughtcrime that violated some sort of sacred cow. Gee, isn't victimization fun!

Take it up with Jimmy, chief.


I never once complained about that suspension. I wish I could say the same about all the whining I've seen here from you and/or some of your blow buddies about "sacred cows", "gender Gulags", and the ongoing anvil chorus about the plight of white males in general.
   2123. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4393531)
I used to love that stuff, and it's a tragedy that it's not still available.

You and Hitler both, I'm sure.
   2124. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:04 PM (#4393534)


A House subcommittee on climate change announced that its new Chair will be Rep. Chris Stewart, a Republican from Utah who does not believe in man-made climate change, and who has written several end-times novels that were endorsed by none other than Glenn Beck.

“I’m not as convinced as a lot of people are that man-made climate change is the threat they think it is,” Stewart told the Salt Lake Tribune. “I think it is probably not as immediate as some people do.”

As Tim Murphy from Mother Jones reports, Stewart is no big fan of the EPA or Endangered Species Act either:

But if Stewart isn’t sure how he feels about climate change, he’s dead-set in his view of the EPA: He wants the agency dissolved. In August, following a campaign event in the southwest corner of the state, Stewart told the St. George News that the Environmental Protection Agency should be eliminated because, as he put it, “The EPA thwarts energy development.”

During his congressional campaign, Stewart highlighted the Endangered Species Act as the mark of a regulatory state gone wrong. “There is no better example of the overreach of government than in environmental law,” he said in an interview last April with the Freemen Capitalist, a conservative website.


Science!
   2125. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM (#4393536)
What the hell CAN you eat? I'm picturing either Dickensian bowls of gruel or perhaps Bachelor Chow.


Thing is, I still weigh as much as a ####### bus. With Crohn's, at the very least, I'm supposed to be thin as hell.

Dammit!

Lactose intolerance aside, I still eat cheese, though not very often. I suppose to match the amount of lactose in a bowl of ice cream, I'd have to eat, what, a couple of blocks of cheese, which I'm sure wouldn't leave me feeling very well.

I was a vegan for 2 1/2 years, crica '98-2000 (after which the lactose intolerance set in; I first discovered it courtesy of the frozen custard place near my then-gf's apartment), & also ran an average of probably a couple of miles a day, & never lost a ####### pound. Amazing, at least to me.
   2126. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM (#4393539)
I agree with Lassus, bubble gum ice cream is nasty. But I love freedom, so others can have my share of it.
   2127. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM (#4393540)
I was a vegan for 2 1/2 years, crica '98-2000, & also ran an average of probably a couple of miles a day, & never lost a ####### pound. Amazing, at least to me.


Cut the carbs.
   2128. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM (#4393541)
Never had bubblegum ice cream, but probably I'd have liked it, given my love (back when, of course, I could drink such things) for red cream soda, which is basically liquid bubblegum.

Favorite flavors of ice cream back in the day --

Mint chocolate
Peppermint
Chocolate chip
Vanilla

   2129. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM (#4393542)
Cut the carbs.


Offhand, I couldn't tell you what I mostly ate back then.
   2130. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM (#4393543)
What the hell CAN you eat? I'm picturing either Dickensian bowls of gruel or perhaps Bachelor Chow.


Nutraloaf?
   2131. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:18 PM (#4393544)
I was a vegan for 2 1/2 years, crica '98-2000 (after which the lactose intolerance set in; I first discovered it courtesy of the frozen custard place near my then-gf's apartment), & also ran an average of probably a couple of miles a day, & never lost a ####### pound. Amazing, at least to me.


If you didn't lose a pound, you weren't creating a calorie deficit. If you cut calories through diet/exercise, you _will_ lose weight. If you create a significant calorie deficit, the pounds will drop off very quickly.

Just being a vegan (cue Roger Clemens: "I don't even know what that is") will not cause you to lose weight unless you create a calorie deficit. Food is food, and calories are calories (and rape is rape).

It's one of the big myths of today: "fat free" this and that, "glutten free" this and that, "natural," "Whole Foods," "organic"... This is all marketing. People think you lose weight this way. You don't lose weight just by eating this stuff. A "fat free" muffin at Dunkin' Donuts may be more calories than the regular thing. You need to slash calorie intake and/or burn calories.
   2132. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM (#4393548)
2131. True largely, but fat free can bring other benefits. Weight is mostly calories, but from an overall health perspective there is more to that than just calories.

But yeah more energy out than in and you will lose weight. What you have to watch for is your tricksy body slowing the metabolism down because "Starvation!", so you have to do exercise to keep the metabolism up and eat a bit less food and the weight must leave.

Of course you don't want to drop weight too fast (that can be worse than having extra weight). And getting enough sleep has a huge correlation to being a good healthy weight (somewhat oddly).
   2133. tfbg9 Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:25 PM (#4393549)
Has Matt posted on the site since his hysterical spate of posts?


Nope. Not if the data in his user profile is accurate.
   2134. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:26 PM (#4393550)
2131. True largely, but fat free can bring other benefits. Weight is mostly calories, but from an overall health perspective there is more to that than just calories.


Fully agreed.

The point is, I can lose weight eating only Snickers bars.

I can gain weight eating only vegan.
   2135. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:26 PM (#4393551)
And getting enough sleep has a huge correlation to being a good healthy weight (somewhat oddly).


Probably, then, the fact that I sleep like crap & have for well over a decade, even before I developed apnea (which the specialist I saw a few years ago attributed less to my weight than to the capacity of my throat, or whatever the terminology would be), doesn't much help.

As for diet & such, I'm at the point of eating what doesn't cause me pain & avoiding that which does. Which I suspect doesn't necessarily square with good nutrition or whatever. Which sucks.

Whatever my mother had (some sort of chronic bowel syndrome; she wound up dying from colon cancer when she was 3 1/2 years older than I am now), in college she had to live on ####### Gerber's baby food. I swear to god, these days I can see how that could happen.

(No wonder she was half-crazy by the time I came along, & pretty much fully crazy by the time she died. And nor am I surpised that Kurt Cobain had to deal with chronic stomach pain.)
   2136. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM (#4393552)
Regarding Cyprus I was partway through a post when my browser crashed.

Look it up in Google (there are some good NY Times articles), but basically it is much the same where the banks are having issues and the European Bank (Germany) doesn't want to pay for having a centralized monetary EU (they just want the benefits), so are telling Cyprus they won't pay full freight, which means Cyprus had a tax deposits to pay for covering the the whole mess thing - which has international flavor because supposedly a huge amount of the big deposits are from Russians (mainly criminals I have read) and the big depositors were hit hardest by the one time tax.

Anyway the whole thing is a different flavor of the same issues we have seen the last few years. Europe and their smei-union is basically a mess that did well in good times but now is hitting the rocks of reality.
   2137. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM (#4393554)
the fact that I sleep like crap & have for well over a decade


Priority one is you need to fix this. Everyone I know that has has had their entire life turn around. I am not kidding even a little. Do whatever you have to do, even if it seems crazy expensive (which sleep studies and such are especially for un and under insured) and it will pay for itself very quickly.

Sleep is critical. Once you start getting good sleep 9assuming that is at all possible) you will feel better and be healthier.
   2138. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4393556)
Did the bank runs throughout Europe start yet?
   2139. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:38 PM (#4393558)
Did the bank runs throughout Europe start yet?


Oddly not last I heard. Each of these things in isolation keep getting treated by the markets and everyone else as singular events, but it seems obvious to me it is all of a part. Very strange, but in finance I guess it is "better to look good than feel good" or something.
   2140. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4393560)
Maybe I'm not thinking of "banks runs" as the proper thing. I took this as a panicked population mobbing at banks to get their money out. Is Cyprus not causing this throughout Europe?
   2141. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4393562)
The good sleep/healthy weight correlation sadly isn't 1. Or perhaps I should have a bigger beer belly, which is a depressing thought - I get a minimum of 8 hours a night and it's good sleep as I probably wake up from sleep once or twice a month.
   2142. CrosbyBird Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM (#4393563)
Sleep is critical. Once you start getting good sleep 9assuming that is at all possible) you will feel better and be healthier.

Yeah, that assumption is the killer. My mother and grandmother take sleeping pills pretty much every night, and they still don't sleep well.

I've had sleep studies, tried meds, cut out caffeine... nothing results in consistent good sleep. It takes me a long time to actually fall asleep and I often wake up in the middle of the night more than once.
   2143. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM (#4393565)
Is Cyprus not causing this throughout Europe?


Why would it, the Cypriot Parliment rejected the terms and it's very unlikely at this point the ECB is going to retry any plan that hits depositors at this point ...

   2144. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:48 PM (#4393567)
I've slept poorly by choice or general twitchiness my whole life, but it hasn't ever affected my weight.
   2145. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM (#4393568)
As for diet & such, I'm at the point of eating what doesn't cause me pain & avoiding that which does. Which I
suspect doesn't necessarily square with good nutrition or whatever. Which sucks.


Gef, my wife has had dietary issues all her life, that triggered Irritable Bowel Syndrome. She has a non-anaphlactic (sp?) allergy (no just lactose intolerance though) to milk, is allergic to turkey, oats, many kinds of mushrooms, has sensitivities to tomatoes and garlic, and can't eat much in the way of raw vegetables or small seeds (raspberries, sesame seeds, stc.). Its very challenging for me as the household cook, but at least she isn't fussy about food in general.

Anyways, point being, when I met her 8 years ago, she had bouts of intense abdominal pain pretty much everyday. Since then, we've adopted a diet basically free of processed foods. We eat only grass fed beef, naturally raised pork and chicken, non-farmed seafood, and 75% of the vegetables we eat over the course of a year are organic that we grow ourselves. I realize this represents a massive increase in effort (cost is less, because of the garden) but she wouldn't have stomach trouble more than once or twice a month now. She does notice an increase in tummy trouble when we have to go back to buying vegetables every winter.

I know a lot of people on here seem to think that anything deemed acceptable by the FDA and USDA is 100% safe and healthy, but I'd encourage you to give the non-processed, mostly organic diet a try for awhile and see how you feel.
   2146. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4393570)
Did the bank runs throughout Europe start yet?


Only by the smart people ;-)
   2147. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4393571)
My weight is improving now that they diagnosed my apnea and gave me a CPAP, just to add one to the positive side of the ledger.
   2148. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4393573)
Oh, I do have food allergies - mushrooms and lobster. Not all shellfish, the only one I had an issue with was lobster (mild reaction, but my grandfather was severely allergic to lobster so after first reaction, made sense not to take chances).
   2149. Ron J2 Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:56 PM (#4393574)
#2094 I don't think you can call anything I've written in the thread as "upset". Mostly puzzled.

What can be parsed has been mostly trite or banal. Very un-Rickey!

   2150. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4393575)
Gef, another thing you should eat is naturally fermented food such as sauerkraut, kimchi, kosher dill pickles, miso, etc. The enzymes in them help digestion and they help to restore the proper balance of bacteria in your GI tract.
   2151. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4393576)
I also have the opposite of food allergies in that I have never, ever gotten food poisoning, no matter what I've eaten in any country. This includes sea horses.
   2152. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4393577)
Rants -- Interesting. Probably I should be keeping a food diary, just to see if there's any sort of correlation for like what you cite. Other people have suggested avoiding gluten.

Basically, I suspect, I just need to have my ####### digestive system replaced. Not only do I have Crohn's (as of my senior year in high school, though it wasn't actually diagnosed for another 11 years), but also a hiatal hernia (as of about 22 years ago) & a navel hernia (as of about 7 years ago). Just ####### ridiculous.
   2153. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:00 PM (#4393578)
Gef, another thing you should eat is naturally fermented food such as sauerkraut, kimchi, kosher dill pickles, miso, etc. The enzymes in them help digestion and they help to restore the proper balance of bacteria in your GI tract.


I guess I'm at least going in that direction by taking 2 acidophilis caplets every day, as of maybe a year or so ago. Couldn't swear to it, but I think I've had less frequent abdominal pain since then, though that (a) might be a placebo effect or (b) due to certain dietary adjustments.
   2154. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:01 PM (#4393581)
I've slept poorly by choice or general twitchiness my whole life, but it hasn't ever affected my weight.

I've had more or less chronic insomnia since I was in my mid-40's, meaning I get 5 to 8 hours of sleep (usually 6 to 7) that's interrupted by getting up 2 to 4 times. I've learned to not worry about it (though I guess I should, given the studies I've seen), and I have no interest in taking any kind of sleeping pills.** My weight's been the same 160-165 range since high school, and didn't change one way or the other once the insomnia kicked in. I'm not thrilled with it, but given the many other conditions that many people in my age group find themselves with, I certainly can't complain.

**Deep breathing exercises seem to help, but after a few days in a row I get too lazy to keep them up.
   2155. Ron J2 Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:03 PM (#4393583)
Shouldn't eat ice cream (diabetic) but ... salted caramel does sound very appealing (never tried it). And what doesn't kill me ...

   2156. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:04 PM (#4393584)
My weight is improving now that they diagnosed my apnea and gave me a CPAP, just to add one to the positive side of the ledger.


My apnea was diagnosed about 3 1/2 years ago, I think. The CPAP did the trick pretty well (I was waking up only 2-3 times a night instead of dozens) for about 3 months, & then I left some small piece behind in a motel room. It couldn't be replaced, so the supply place gave me a whole new apparatus that was different from what I'd been prescribed, & I never could get comfortable with it. Even though I've since had the original replaced with the same version, I'm just not comfortable wearing it anymore, so I don't, except when the 2-3 nights a year when I'm in a hotel room with someone else & so need to eliminate the snoring. *sigh*
   2157. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:07 PM (#4393586)
Shouldn't eat ice cream (diabetic)


Oh, yeah -- I'm also Type II diabetic, which I guess is part & parcel of being overweight & 53 (diagnosis was a couple of years ago). Pretty mild case, though, to the point that back when I was doing daily monitoring the numbers were pretty low & varied very little. I'm still on Metformin, but otherwise I pay no attention to it.
   2158. The Good Face Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:09 PM (#4393587)
Half of BBTF appears to be descended from French aristocrats who spent their every waking moment sitting around eating soft cheese. Those of us from hardier stock enjoy the freedom of being able to easily digest anything we can wrestle into our stomachs.
   2159. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4393591)
I have no interest in taking any kind of sleeping pills.**


I've taken OTC varieties before, with no appreciable effect.

Hell, apparently Ambien knocks lots of people out cold, but when I was prescribed it in the late '90s for my insomnia, I might as well have been taking M&M's.

If memory serves, one thing that did help was a prescription antidepressant (given to me for off-label purposes) called Trazodone, but it's an SSRI (or at least mimics one), & when I was put on a couple of tricyclics for depression/bipolar disorder, that was no longer an option.
   2160. Ron J2 Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:17 PM (#4393593)
#213 For me (as a diabetic) it turns out to be as simple as carbs - fiber. It's fascinating to note that a high cocoa chocolate bar that is sweetened with sugar is better (by a long shot) for a diabetic than the various "no sugar" alternatives.

That's before considering that (like an awful lot of people) manitol reliably gives me a spectacular case of the runs.

As Ray notes, there's virtually no correlation to how something is marketed and how good it is (though I have special health concerns). One specific exception is the Smart pasta -- strongly recommended by the dietician I saw.
   2161. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:22 PM (#4393595)
If memory serves, one thing that did help was a prescription antidepressant (given to me for off-label purposes) called Trazodone, but it's an SSRI (or at least mimics one), & when I was put on a couple of tricyclics for depression/bipolar disorder, that was no longer an option.


The ex takes that for sleep (and I admit I have a couple times also). Works wonderfully, just makes me drowsy and helps me sleep through the night, but nothing else. Some day I will talk to my doc about getting my own prescription so the 5 times a year when I know I need help I can sleep (when I am really angry things play over and over and I don't sleep, it really sucks, and then I get sick because I didn't sleep).

I have been the same weight and in good health my whole adult life, buit I semi-masocistically watch what I eat and work out regularly (tonight in fact I will be working out ay the Y for 40 or so minutes while the boys do their Tae Kwon Do).
   2162. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:26 PM (#4393597)
I knew Google level stuff about Cyprus already, just hoping to spur convo. Food works.

Salted Caramel syrup (used by Starbucks) is not so good. Salted caramel ice cream is quite good. Ice cream, almost regardless of flavor selected, is quite good.

I can eat anything but mushrooms. Don't know what types, never been tested for it, but have learned I ought to avoid them. On the other hand, they could countermand my lack of sleep in a weight loss plan.

I think most people know by now that vegan/organic/etc... <> weight loss.

Smart pasta, sadly, tastes kind of gross.

   2163. BDC Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:29 PM (#4393600)
Dairy gives me terrible indigestion: the worst things are whole milk and ice cream, and the most bearable things are hard cheeses. That sounds like lactose intolerance to me, but it isn't worth getting diagnosed – what are they going to tell me, "Don't drink milk or eat ice cream?" My father and my grandparents had indigestion their whole lives, and I reckon it was the same condition, but milk was harder to avoid, or they just figured, heck, indigestion is life.

Anyway, that leaves me commiserating with gef about ice cream. I have missed the Salted Caramel craze altogether. Favorites from the past would include coffee, and anything with caramel or toffee swirled through (Coffee Heath Bar being about the ultimate for me). Also love(d) vanilla ice cream with a particular caramel/butterscotch topping (in Texas it's called Mrs Richardsons). If I ever want a ferocious gutache I will break out the Blue Bell vanilla and the Mrs Richardsons.

   2164. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:29 PM (#4393601)
Those of us from hardier stock enjoy the freedom of being able to easily digest anything we can wrestle into our stomachs.


That's me. I have a feeling I might be allergic to clams, as the only two times in my life I've ever puked from something I ate was fried clams. I've had them other time with no effect though, and can eat mussels and other shellfish no problem.

My father-in-law doesn't really sleep, he usually goes to bed at midnight (or later if the Jays or Red Sox are playing on the West coast), and gets up around 5:00. He has high iron levels in his blood, which apprently reduces the need for sleep.
   2165. BrianBrianson Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:29 PM (#4393602)
Those of us from hardier stock enjoy the freedom of being able to easily digest anything we can wrestle into our stomachs.


If you aren't eating things that are making you sick you're not trying hard enough. More than two orange peels in a sitting gives me an upset stomach. More than two pints of eggnog gets too me. Never eat nothing but peanuts for days on end. I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Your ancestors evolved to be extremely opportunistic omnivores. Act like it!
   2166. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:31 PM (#4393606)
The good sleep/healthy weight correlation sadly isn't 1. Or perhaps I should have a bigger beer belly, which is a depressing thought - I get a minimum of 8 hours a night and it's good sleep as I probably wake up from sleep once or twice a month.


Perhaps you should get like, 12 hours of sleep per night.
   2167. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:39 PM (#4393616)
If I ever want a ferocious gutache I will break out the Blue Bell vanilla and the Mrs Richardsons.


If I knew I was a few hours from dying & thus didn't mind the consquences, I'd go to town with vanilla ice cream floats made with red cream soda.
   2168. The Good Face Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:40 PM (#4393618)
I have a feeling I might be allergic to clams, as the only two times in my life I've ever puked from something I ate was fried clams.


Yeah, I'd thought that once too, but it turns out I'd just eaten a bowl of rubber bands.

If you aren't eating things that are making you sick you're not trying hard enough. More than two orange peels in a sitting gives me an upset stomach. More than two pints of eggnog gets too me. Never eat nothing but peanuts for days on end. I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Your ancestors evolved to be extremely opportunistic omnivores. Act like it!


Sound advice. Occasionally challenging your digestive system with found objects and food-like materials will both toughen you up and really make you appreciate food when you go back on it.
   2169. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:41 PM (#4393619)
To think I couldn't find anything more boring than the Customer Service Apocalypse thread.
   2170. Jim Wisinski Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4393623)
Bitter Mouse, I noticed somewhere in the middle of hell a few pages back that you're a fellow disc golfer. *high-five*

As Ray notes, there's virtually no correlation to how something is marketed and how good it is (though I have special health concerns). One specific exception is the Smart pasta -- strongly recommended by the dietician I saw.


What also should be noted is that the natural, organic, etc. stuff is really just about avoiding a lot of the weird chemical compounds and other crap that goes into our food and can or may possibly have various negative consequences to long-term health. They do use marketing though to at least imply that it's healthier for weight management than regular versions of food but that's rarely actually the case.
   2171. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:44 PM (#4393625)
My father-in-law doesn't really sleep, he usually goes to bed at midnight (or later if the Jays or Red Sox are playing on the West coast), and gets up around 5:00. He has high iron levels in his blood, which apparently reduces the need for sleep.

My problem is that I'm a night owl by nature who unfortunately also can never stay in bed much past 7:30. On nights when I have pool tournaments up near Baltimore and don't get home till as late as 1:30 or so, that can be a problem, especially since it takes some time to wind down from the 45 minute drive back home.

The funny thing is that when I was younger, I'd often catch myself dozing off at the wheel on long trips, but now I never do, in spite of the fact that I sleep a lot less. Not sure what's going on there.
   2172. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:44 PM (#4393626)
If it takes talking about doilies or the various shades of beige paint available, it'd be worth it to move the thread along from where it was.
   2173. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:45 PM (#4393627)
To think I couldn't find anything more boring than the Customer Service Apocalypse thread.

Well, if you ever get insomnia, you now know how to cure it.
   2174. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4393628)
My problem is that I'm a night owl by nature who unfortunately also can never stay in bed much past 7:30. On nights when I have pool tournaments up near Baltimore and don't get home till as late as 1:30 or so, that can be a problem, especially since it takes some time to wind down from the 45 minute drive back home.


I'm very much a night person, but I haven't had a chance to work a late schedule in 12 years now.
   2175. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:46 PM (#4393629)
The funny thing is that when I was younger, I'd often catch myself dozing off at the wheel on long trips, but now I never do, in spite of the fact that I sleep a lot less. Not sure what's going on there.


I also have an uncle (now retired) who was a truck driver. He when to bed at 11 pm and got up at 3:30 am for his entire career. He obviously never fell asleep at the wheel.
   2176. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4393633)
Regarding sleep I read recently that exercise and sleep correlate strongly, so if you are not sleeping enough you may want to exercise more.

And yes I am kind of a fanatic about sleep, feel free to ignore me.
   2177. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:54 PM (#4393639)
I'm very much a night person, but I haven't had a chance to work a late schedule in 12 years now.

I had to open my shop at 10:00 for 23 years, and almost never missed a day, sometimes 7 days a week. It was important to do so, since the bulk of my sales were serendipitous and often to early morning tourists who happened to be in the area. But God, did I ever hate the idea of having to leave the house before noon, and God, am I ever glad I almost never have to do it any more. To say I'm not a morning person is like saying that Babe Ruth wasn't too fond of facing Hub Pruett.
   2178. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:55 PM (#4393641)
Regarding sleep I read recently that exercise and sleep correlate strongly, so if you are not sleeping enough you may want to exercise more.

I walk up to 3 or 4 miles nearly every afternoon, and have never found any correlation between the days I do or don't and the amount of sleep I get.
   2179. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4393643)
The good sleep/healthy weight correlation sadly isn't 1. Or perhaps I should have a bigger beer belly, which is a depressing thought - I get a minimum of 8 hours a night and it's good sleep as I probably wake up from sleep once or twice a month.


I get 5 hours a night during the week, and 8 on the weekends. I generally sleep through the night.

I'm up until 1-2am during the week, and 3-4am on the weekends. I absolutely love the time from 10pm-4am. It's quiet, enjoyable, nobody is calling, no interruptions.
   2180. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4393644)
Bitter Mouse, I noticed somewhere in the middle of hell a few pages back that you're a fellow disc golfer. *high-five*


I love DG and have played for ... nearly 20 years now (not that I am all that good mind you). Fun to get out with friends and the dog and play. Snow golfing this weekend at a pay-for-play 27 hole course in the area. Should be fun in a tiring and cold sort of way. Can't wait for actual spring and warmth.

And 2172 .... shhhhh. Ice cream. Pets. Sleep. Odd health issues. Watermelon, Cantaloupe (Anyone get that reference?).
   2181. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4393646)
Shouldn't eat ice cream (diabetic) but ... salted caramel does sound very appealing (never tried it). And what doesn't kill me ...


The problem with this, Ron, is that sometimes it kills you :P

----

Now that this thread has devolved into a discussion of sleep/weight, maybe Matt will come back. Surely nothing here could offend him, other than the revelation that Dan somehow manages to get 8+ hours of sleep a night while the rest of us are foolishly stuck in the rat race.
   2182. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: March 21, 2013 at 01:59 PM (#4393647)
Snow golfing this weekend at a pay-for-play 27 hole course in the area. Should be fun in a tiring and cold sort of way. Can't wait for actual spring and warmth.


Tell me about it. I had to put on winter gloves for the bike ride this morning.
   2183. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:12 PM (#4393659)
Some Minnesotans ride their bike year around (I worked with one years ago, he biked like 20 miles each way every day). They are clinically insane.

Come nice weather though and my goal is to bike to work once a week.
   2184. Rants Mulliniks Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:37 PM (#4393679)
I get about 7 hours a night, which is what I need. Sometimes a bit less, sometimes a bit more.
   2185. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4393685)
I love DG and have played for ... nearly 20 years now (not that I am all that good mind you). Fun to get out with friends and the dog and play. Snow golfing this weekend at a pay-for-play 27 hole course in the area. Should be fun in a tiring and cold sort of way. Can't wait for actual spring and warmth.


I love DG and have been playing for 10 years now. Got to a pretty good level, then, effed up my knee a couple years ago (plant leg) and can't really let it go anymore. I'm hoping to give it a good go again this year, but, I'd really like to have some firm ground to throw on... this winter just won't go away.
   2186. BDC Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4393689)
They are clinically insane.

Come nice weather though and my goal is to bike to work once a week


Texas is the inverse. I've been walking to work (25 mins.) quite a lot since January, almost always in shirtsleeves. By May it will be OK to walk to work, but home in the afternoon will mean 90+ in full sun, and I will weaken.
   2187. The Good Face Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4393691)
I get about 7 hours a night, which is what I need. Sometimes a bit less, sometimes a bit more.


About the same here. I probably could sleep a bit longer if I didn't have things to do and places to go, but 7 is pretty workable, and I don't like feeling as though I've slept the day away.
   2188. Canker Soriano Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:46 PM (#4393694)
And getting enough sleep has a huge correlation to being a good healthy weight (somewhat oddly).

I've found this to be very true for me (and I'm sure it varies wildly among different people). For the last year, I've been on a crazy work schedule that has involved about 1 all-nighter (as in no sleep) a week, and probably an average of 5 hours on other nights. Occasionally I'll get a weekend off, and sleep for 24 out of 36 hours (or something close to that). Despite really trying to watch what I eat, I've packed on about 50 pounds during that time. I think my body sees me not sleeping and thinks I'm in trouble, so it saves its resources for the coming battles.

Obviously it's not all sleep - I've not had a lot of time to exercise, unless you count running from meeting to meeting - but I have not eaten nearly what you would think would be enough to put on that much weight. My body is just kind of going haywire from exhaustion. I spent 5 minutes earlier this week arguing with someone that those things that you see in casinos where people pull the arm down and try to win coins are called "jackpot machines". Even as he said "slot machine" to me, it didn't sound right.

I also found myself coming to in a meeting a couple of weeks ago with everyone staring at me. I asked why, and they said I had interrupted the meeting to ask when they were going to be done with the piano, because I needed it for a party this weekend. Needless to say, I'm in a business that in no way deals with pianos...

Point is - get some sleep.
   2189. Der-K, the bloodied charmer Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:48 PM (#4393698)
3.5 hrs last night and my exercise has shot to zero. Also eating poorly and I'm nearly 40.
In a related story, my body is going to pot at light speed.
   2190. Canker Soriano Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4393699)
I get about 7 hours a night, which is what I need. Sometimes a bit less, sometimes a bit more.

About the same here. I probably could sleep a bit longer if I didn't have things to do and places to go, but 7 is pretty workable, and I don't like feeling as though I've slept the day away.


I like 6-7 a night during the week, and maybe 8-9 on weekends. I also like to nap during the day.

The best I've ever felt (as an adult) was when I got laid off from my last job. I was sleeping about 8 hours a night, got up in the morning, worked out, ate an early lunch, then napped for a couple of hours. I had never known was it was like to feel that well rested, but it was pretty damn amazing. Of course, I ruined it by getting another job. This is where being one of those trust fund kids might have come in handy.
   2191. The Good Face Posted: March 21, 2013 at 02:56 PM (#4393710)
For the last year, I've been on a crazy work schedule that has involved about 1 all-nighter (as in no sleep) a week, and probably an average of 5 hours on other nights. Occasionally I'll get a weekend off, and sleep for 24 out of 36 hours (or something close to that).


Oof. What do you do? BigLaw? Architect? Medical resident? That kind of sleep pattern is super bad for you, as I'm sure you know.
   2192. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4393717)
Never has a thread taken such a turnaround!

Sleep and eating things...two of my favourite things.

I assume this is pretty common, but I'm much better off just staying up all night if the alternative is 4 hours or less of sleep.

Also, I find it impossible to sleep on an empty stomach. I've literally had nights where I got zero sleep because I was slightly hungry and had no access to anything to nibble on. If I'm staying in a hotel, or crashing at a friend's place I always bring some kind of granola bar as a fallback. Somehow knowing that I have something to eat if I need it relaxes me. On the other end of the spectrum I once dated a girl who rarely ate after 4pm. Her logic was, by that time of day she could fight her hunger until she fell asleep so why bother eating? Her insanity was a bit contagious (mostly because she'd often let me know that I should weigh less myself) and to this day I spend at least a little bit of time every day thinking about weight.
   2193. Canker Soriano Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:01 PM (#4393718)
Oof. What do you do? BigLaw? Architect? Medical resident? That kind of sleep pattern is super bad for you, as I'm sure you know.

Tell me about it. No, it's drug development - we're working on bringing a product to market, and we're understaffed to get the job done at a company where we're not accustomed to doing this in the first place. I'm about 3 weeks from being done with it, though, which means I'm about 3 weeks from taking my first vacation in 15 months. I've got 6 weeks saved up, and I'll probably take about 5 of them to try to recharge.

I've reached the point where I'm afraid some nights to drive home, because I'm not sure I won't fall asleep behind the wheel. I looked out one night maybe a month back and realized I had absolutely no idea where I was, on a road I've traveled every day for the last 2 years. It might as well have been Mars. Took me about 30 seconds to figure it out, but there was some definite panic there.
   2194. Canker Soriano Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4393720)
Also, I find it impossible to sleep on an empty stomach.

My GF is the same way, and I don't get it at all. She can't sleep if she's even the least bit hungry, constantly getting up in the middle of the night to have half a glass of milk or some toast.
   2195. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4393721)
A bad combo is jet lag and a job that has pretty much 100% flexibility. For all of January I was sleeping from 6am to 1pm for no other reason than I had to motivation to get off of Toronto time.
   2196. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:02 PM (#4393722)
I sleep probably 5-6 hours on good nights, but that's supplemented as often or not by a nap or an hour or so when I get home in the evening.

Oddly enough (at least to me), skipping the nap seems to have no particular effect on that night's sleep. The only time real sleeplessness results is when I've napped 2 or 3 times, like on a Saturday or Sunday, mostly from boredom.
   2197. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:04 PM (#4393724)
I love DG and have been playing for 10 years now. Got to a pretty good level, then, effed up my knee a couple years ago (plant leg) and can't really let it go anymore. I'm hoping to give it a good go again this year, but, I'd really like to have some firm ground to throw on... this winter just won't go away.


I am super dependant on a run up for my drive - stupid short arms. because I get all my drive from my lower body (like some pitcers I guess) I am terrible in the winter in boots or when I have bad footing; so I can see the whole plant leg thing being critical.

Point is - get some sleep.


QFT. And now I want to go lie down (preferably after some ice cream). Healthy!
   2198. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:04 PM (#4393725)
My GF is the same way, and I don't get it at all. She can't sleep if she's even the least bit hungry, constantly getting up in the middle of the night to have half a glass of milk or some toast.

My go-to midnight snack is a slice of bread packed into a dense ball.

It's kind of strange, not stomach hunger at all, but like my throat is closing up.
   2199. Lassus Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:04 PM (#4393726)
I was on graveyard at MLB.com for a season, midnight to 10 AM, four tens. That was pretty weird.
   2200. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 21, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4393728)
I've reached the point where I'm afraid some nights to drive home, because I'm not sure I won't fall asleep behind the wheel. I looked out one night maybe a month back and realized I had absolutely no idea where I was, on a road I've traveled every day for the last 2 years. It might as well have been Mars. Took me about 30 seconds to figure it out, but there was some definite panic there.


Good god, man. Take care of yourself.
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