If you've never been a victim of company embezzlement from your paycheck that took you a long time to discover, let alone prove, you must live on some other planet.

The Sanchez brothers appeal to commoners to vote for them.(*) Big whoop.

WTF is a "power marriage"?

I thought Ray being Ray was that they *should* need great achievements to be rising stars. And they should. Only simps swoon over local politicians as "stars." They aren't.

The Sanchez brothers appeal to commoners to vote for them.(*) Big whoop.

Yes to the overall point. In the real world - say, in the non-political-realm workplace - nobody is deemed a "rising star" unless they have actually done something

Yeah, but women actually work and vote and hold office now, so the need to achieve and hold power derivatively has rather eradicated

That modern liberals exalt politicians far more than they should, including above people who actually accomplish things.

That modern liberals exalt politicians far more than they should, including above people who actually accomplish things.

Examples, please.

Comical. Wil Myers is a prospect who's done nothing in MLB. Mike Trout is a rising star because he has some actual experience and accomplishments in MLB; Wil Myers, however, is not a rising star.

Really? I think letting your husband chase anything in a skirt screams out the opposite of feminism.

Also, you sorely underestimate the power of women in "traditional" marriages. My mother, grandmother, and aunts all absolutely ran their households, without a lick of feminism

Mike Trout is a star; the best player in baseball isn't some riser, he's here. Last year, he was a rising star.

Yes- because it's really a good thing that companies can make discriminatory wage decisions so long as they're able to hide the fact of unequal pay long enough for the statute of limitations to expire.

Yeah, but women actually work and vote and hold office now, so the need to achieve and hold power derivatively has rather eradicated.

Oh, I don't know. A certain Illinois senator with an undistinguished back-bench track record springs to mind. I'm still waiting for someone to list a couple achievements that made him qualified to run for president, let alone win.

2nd wave Feminism was a disaster, since they though women had to behave just like men in order to be equal. I "understand" it, I just reject it totally.

2nd wave Feminism was a disaster, since they though women had to behave just like men in order to be equal. I "understand" it, I just reject it totally.

If you've never been a victim of company embezzlement from your paycheck that took you a long time to discover, let alone prove, you must live on some other planet.

But Christ's teachings, as written in Scripture, is not the totality of Catholic belief. Remember, the Church came before canonical NT Scripture, and Church, Scripture and Tradition are three equal pillars of Catholic teaching. Christ never over-turned the 10 Commandments.

The Church has always upheld the right to private property. My idea may be silly to you, but it is not anti-Catholic.

Ronald Reagan's core philosophy was to downgrade politics and politicians in favor of people who actually do and accomplish things.

Embezzlement takes many forms,

including pay discrepancies based on gender, and the fact that Ledbetter didn't have the time or the resources to pursue her case at the time she discovered the discrepancy proves absolutely nothing beyond the fact that she didn't have the time or the resources.

What precisely were Ronald Reagan's 'accomplishments' beyond that? Being governor of California?

Do you even recognize 3rd and 4th wave at all, or does history stop for you in the mid-1970s?

Beating Hillary Clinton in the primaries. That, and not being Bush-Cheney's heir apparent were enough to win in 2008, because all you had to do was not be those guys and the nation pretty much knew you'd be a better option.

That modern liberals exalt politicians far more than they should, including above people who actually accomplish things.

You don't understand the difference between rights granted by God and rights granted by Man.

I said I was waiting for someone to list a couple achievements that made him qualified to run for president.

Still waiting.

Most painful to me is when they call being a politician "public service."

Most painful to me is when they call being a politician "public service."

Well, that, and trying to order a drink in the big boy bar.

Oh, is that a Kehoskie troll I've picked up from someone else's quotation? Am I going to have to start wearing a condom now?

and the fact that Ledbetter didn't have the time or the resources to pursue her case at the time she discovered the discrepancy proves absolutely nothing beyond the fact that she didn't have the time or the resources

Don't you have a dissertation to finish so you can be even more unemployable?

What I have said was that he was one of the few politicians to advocate putting politicians in their proper place, forever earning the scorn and disdain of modern liberals.

Come on, David. Obama deserves every penny of the $12 million he's "earned" from "public service." LOL.

Except I haven't said a word about Reagan's accomplishments.

POTUS makes 400k. Senators make 174k. IL State Senators make 67, 836.

No need for the scare quotes there; accomplishing things has a well-known, easily-ascertainable meaning.

but I think there's a significant, extremely negative undercurrent to the constant refrain from the right that President Barack Obama is somehow "unqualified",

I said I was waiting for someone to list a couple achievements that made him qualified to run for president.

And let's not kid ourselves here: Reagan's track record was miles longer than Obama's. Reagan was a two-term governor of the nation's largest state and had decades of political experience when he ran for office, all of which followed a successful acting career, a stint in the U.S. military, and a time as head of the Screen Actors Guild. Obama, meanwhile, could fit his qualifications on a matchbook cover.

Having been born in the US and over 35 years of age. Beyond that, the Constitution is silent.

Ahhh -- so 'governor' counts as an accomplishment, but legislator does not.

a stint in the U.S. military

Oh, then I guess all those liberal attacks on Sarah Palin's qualifications must have been sexist.

It was discussed at length and principles espoused in the Clint Eastwood thread.

Look, I love Reagan. Voted for him. I think he was the greatest president in my lifetime, and I go back to Kennedy (though having been born in July of 1963, my recollection of the media narrative of the assasination at the time is a little fuzzy). But listing his time in the First Motion Picture unit as a qualification for President is a bad joke.

Ahhh -- so 'governor' counts as an accomplishment, but legislator does not.

459. PreservedFish Posted: September 05, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4227128)
Days after the subject first came up, I'm still not sure if Kehoskie's disapproval of Obama's wealth is a lament about the state of politics in this country or a repeated implication of corruption.

Even if you think Obama had an insufficient quantification in 2008 to become President. In 2012, he has the best qualification out of all potential candidates. He's the sitting incumbent and has 4 years of experience of being the president and running the nation.

Joe thinks it corruption.

The documents show that Reagan was more involved than was previously known as a government informer during his Hollywood years, and that in return he secretly received personal and political help from J. Edgar Hoover, the longtime F.B.I. director, at taxpayer expense.
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An assistant F.B.I. director, Cartha DeLoach, recommended that the F.B.I. grant the Reagans’ request, even while noting that “there does not appear to be any F.B.I. jurisdiction here.” Hoover quickly approved the inquiry. Posing as an insurance salesman, one agent made a pretext phone call to neighbors; another contacted a police source; a third interviewed the maid at Maureen Reagan’s rooming house.
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Following routine procedure, F.B.I. agents in Phoenix asked agents in Los Angeles to interview Ronald Reagan for any information he might have gleaned from his son. The investigation, after all, was a top priority. But Hoover blocked them from questioning Reagan, thus sparing him potentially unfavorable publicity. Declaring it “unlikely that Ronald Reagan would have any information of significance,” Hoover instead ordered agents to warn him about his son’s worrisome friendship.

Reagan expressed his gratitude to an F.B.I. agent, William L. Byrne Jr., on Feb. 1, 1965. Reagan “was most appreciative and stated he realized that such an association and actions on the part of his son might well jeopardize any political aspirations he might have,” according to an F.B.I. report. “He stated that the Bureau’s courtesy in this matter will be kept absolutely confidential. Reagan commented that he realizes that it would be improper to express his appreciation in writing and requested that SA [Special Agent] Byrne convey the great admiration he has for the Director and the Bureau and to express his thanks for the Bureau’s cooperation.”

A) Where's your Grammy Award, Joe? Or your best sellers? Think POTUS made a bit of coin from those?

Even if you think Obama had an insufficient quantification in 2008 to become President. In 2012, he has the best qualification out of all potential candidates. He's the sitting incumbent and has 4 years of experience of being the president and running the nation.

Actually, his horrendous four-year track record now makes him one of the least-qualified people. At least he had potential back in 2008.

Still waiting for someone to list the achievements that made Obama qualified to run for president.

But that probably doesn't help Joe's talking points.

Well yes. Joe's an idiot.

"qualified"
He was born in the US and was over 35.

His CV OTOH was quite "light" for a POTUS:

3 years "community organizer"
President Harvard Law Review
"Lecturer" at Univ Chicago School of Law, 12 years
Associate at civil rights firm, 3 years
State Senator 8 years
US Senator 4 years

But that probably doesn't help Joe's talking points.

So, experience counts, but only the kind of experience you like. Gotcha.

He's ultra smart, he's a great speaker, he's good at politics, he articulated a convincing vision for the country, etc.

No, of course not. We weren't attacking her qualifications...we were attacking her intelligence.

Obama's lack of military experience is a nice point here, actually. As I've posted here before, it seems that people high up in the military today really respect Obama's ability and decisions as commander in chief.

I'll make this easy for you. Obama shouldn't have become President of the United States.

And that's just talking hugely important world-historical Presidents (I don't think anyone would claim that status for Obama yet

he's just your basic competent President

Obama's lack of military experience is a nice point here, actually. As I've posted here before, it seems that people high up in the military today really respect Obama's ability and decisions as commander in chief.

(but Rumsfeld made it very hard for them to like that Admin.)

3 years "community organizer"
President Harvard Law Review
"Lecturer" at Univ Chicago School of Law, 12 years
Associate at civil rights firm, 3 years
State Senator 8 years
US Senator 4 years

It does appear that Obama's administration does this better than Bush 2's administration.

Are you voting for Romney in November? If he was a Democrat and said and did everything he's done so far in this election and in previous ones would you still vote for him in November?

It has a margin of error of plus or minus 7 points.