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OTP 11 December, 2017 - GOP strategist: Moore would have ‘date with a baseball bat’ if he tried dating teens where I grew up

“I grew up in Mississippi. Every father I knew, if he saw a guy like Roy Moore in his 30s trying to date his 16-year-old daughter, he would have had a date with a baseball bat,” Stevens, a former aide to Mitt Romney’s campaign, said on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360.”

Stevens, who worked on former Alabama Gov. Bob Riley’s (R) primary campaign against Moore in 2006, said Moore has violated the “decency standard” of civil society in his previous alleged pursuit of teenage girls.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

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   1301. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5591994)
Flip.
   1302. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:17 PM (#5591995)
She shouldn't have worn a short skirt, apparently - Democratic Lawmaker Says Revealing Clothing Can Be 'Invitation To Harassment':
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) on Wednesday reportedly called clothing worn by some lawmakers and their aides on Capitol Hill an "invitation" during a discussion on sexual harassment.

“I saw a member yesterday with her cleavage so deep it was down to the floor,” Kaptur said during a House Democratic Caucus meeting to talk about sexual harassment issues, Politico reported, citing sources in the room.

“And what I’ve seen … it's really an invitation.”

The Ohio Democrat reportedly said she has been "appalled" by some of the things staffers have worn.

“Maybe I’ll get booed for saying this, but many companies and the military [have] a dress code,” she said.

“I have been appalled at some of the dress of ... members and staff. Men have to wear ties and suits.”

Just something stupid or perhaps an indication that the next to be accused is one of her political allies?
   1303. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:18 PM (#5591997)
Franken's statement wasn't stellar, but kindly point out the whine:


You just did.

What you quoted stands by itself as whiny, but it also came on the heels of him failing to admit responsibility:

A couple months ago, I felt that we had entered an important moment in the history of this country. We were finally beginning to listen to women about the ways in which men's actions affect them. The moment was long overdue. I was excited for that conversation and hopeful that it would result in real change that made life better for women all across the country and in every part of our society. Then the conversation turned to me. Over the last few weeks, a number of women have come forward to talk about how they felt my actions had affected them. I was shocked. I was upset. But in responding to their claims, I also wanted to be respectful of that broader conversation. Because all women deserve to be heard and their experiences taken seriously. I think that was the right thing to do. I also think it gave some people the false impression that I was admitting to doing things that in fact I haven't done. Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others I remember very differently. I said at the outset that the ethics committee was the right venue for these allegations to be heard and investigated and evaluated on their merits. That I was prepared to cooperate fully and that I was confident in the outcome.

You know, an important part of the conversation we have been having the last few months has been about how men abuse their power and privilege to hurt women. I am proud that during my time in the Senate, I have used my power to be a champion of women. And that I have earned a reputation as someone who respects the women I work alongside every day. I know there is a different picture of me painted over the last few weeks, but I know who I really am. Serving in the United States Senate has been the great honor of my life. I know in my heart that nothing I have done as a senator, nothing has brought dishonor on this institution. I am confident that the ethics committee would agree.
   1304. Lassus Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5591998)
Does the esteemed Lassus want to weigh in as to whether he agrees with me that "homophobia" does not include as a necessary element "fear" of homosexuals or homosexuality?
Not Lassus, but you're right. Modern usage is hostility toward homosexuals rather than fear of them.


I admit I haven't been paying attention to this, but I'd say it's both, obviously primarily hostility. The hostility is certainly bred from fear; not an "OMG THOSE GAYS WILL KILL ME" fear (although that WAS part of the fear in the 80s with the AIDS breakout), but a truly intense agita that can very appropriately be described as fear. Exposure to the unknown, discomfort with the image, concern they might BE gay, etc.

Again, WTF it matters I have no idea. I think MF Charlie (Met fan! ahem) was wrong with his need for pedantry above as far as what the term means now, today and focusing on "phobia".
   1305. Hot Wheeling American in his sleazy salon Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5591999)
McCain's a honorable man, a devoted public servant, and a hero for what he endured in Vietnam.

Not according to the modern Republican Party, led by President Trump and the down-to-earth, ideas man, Steve Bannon.

Edit: it's too bad the Republican Party couldn't be a bigger tent. POWs need not apply, I guess.
   1306. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5592002)
Looking it up - if I've got my calendar right - I think Kennedy died during or around the summer 2009 recess (late August). Kirk was appointed late September.

Remember that technically speaking - the ACA was really two bills. The main event -- PPACA - passed the Senate in late December, via the 60 vote cloture. To be sure - it wasn't anywhere near progressive enough for the House - so it appeared to be headed for more lengthy negotiations (on top of the copious, copious committee hearings that the Senate had already held).

When the calendar turned, reconciliation appeared stalled -- and then, on January 19 - Brown wins the MA Senate seat... and for a week - health reform appeared dead. Then Obama went into the Congressional GOP's retreat and laid down a bea-U-tiful smack down in late January and got the Democrats back on track. In basically the same space of time -- both Obama and Reid did very much say that Brown should be seated.... and he was - on February 4.

The House - grudgingly, and after allowing other votes that House leadership initially didn't want - eventually did pass the Senate bill (that - again - had already passed the Senate before the special election and indeed, before people realistically thought Coakley would lose) so long as the sibling Health Care and Education Reconciliation 'sweetener' - got passed along with it (via reconciliation). The sweetener didn't really satisfy House progressives either - but basically got a 'good enough'... or at least, enough arm-twisting to make it through.

It's fine to say that the Democrats aren't quite as pure as they're claiming regarding the ACA -- but it's also correct to say that they DID make an allowance for seating Brown that wasn't part of their original plan... i.e., They could have certainly reconciled the December Senate bill and rushed it back through both Chambers in between the original late December passage and the early February Brown seating - keeping the Kirk/60th vote in their pocket and just pounding/threatening/promising/etc whatever they had to do to keep the numbers. I'm not keen on MA election law - but I imagine between certification and seating -- the Democrats probably could have played games with seating Brown.

Absolutely - the situations are different....

But I also think that it's likewise a fair and better reading/comparison that the Democrats in 2010 were at least more amendable to tossing bones the GOP way relative to the GOP and their tax bill.

Go ahead and make the case that the Democrats had more slack to be 'magnanimous' if you like.... Make the usual, cliched ideological case that negotiating with a pickpocket to only take half your wallet rather than all of it isn't a good faith negotiation.

None of that changes the fact that any objective comparison between Senate composition changes and subsequent majority party reactions 2010 vs 2017 vis a vis a major piece of legislation would have to weight the Democrats as 'better'.... not as much as Team Blue is certainly going to claim, of course -- but you really can't honestly say otherwise.

   1307. zenbitz Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5592004)
Does the esteemed Lassus want to weigh in as to whether he agrees with me that "homophobia" does not include as a necessary element "fear" of homosexuals or homosexuality?


Not Lassus, but I agree with you that despite the Greek root of phobos, the current meaning does not necessitate fear. But I already explained why Colbert's comments -- in context -- were not necessarily homophobic.
   1308. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5592005)
So much for being a placeholder - Minnesota Lt. Gov. To Replace Franken, Run For Seat In 2018:
Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton (D) on Wednesday named Lt. Gov. Tina Smith (D) to fill Sen. Al Franken’s (D) soon-to-be vacated Senate seat. Smith said she intends to run in November 2018 to complete the remaining two years of Franken’s term.

“It is up to Minnesotans to decide who they want to complete Senator Franken’s term. I will run in that election, and I will do my best to earn Minnesotans support. And I believe the way to do that is to be the best senator I can be,” Smith said.

Franken announced his resignation last week in the wake of accusations that he groped and kissed women without their consent. He did not, however, set a date for his departure from the Senate, saying only that he would leave “in the coming weeks.” Smith on Wednesday said she’s spoken with Franken and his staff and expects he will officially step down some time in early January.

Any chance this is the BBTF Tina of years ago? The Senate would be a far more interesting place …
   1309. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5592006)
1304

I think MF Charlie (Met fan! ahem) was wrong with his need for pedantry above as far as what the term means now, today and focusing on "phobia".


Thanks for the qualifier. As for me being wrong about something...well, it's not the first time, won't be the last.
   1310. zenbitz Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:34 PM (#5592007)
Just something stupid or perhaps an indication that the next to be accused is one of her political allies?


See, now THAT is slut-shaming (uh what Kaptur said, not what you said)
   1311. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:34 PM (#5592009)
Even if they pick up both vulnerable seats (AZ and NV), they're almost going to certainly lose at least one of IN or OH. Winning AZ and NV while losing either IN or OH leaves the Senate 50/50 with Pence as the tie-breaking vote. And the race in MN is going to be competitive, so the Democrats have yet another potentially vulnerable incumbent. Point being, it's not the 48% chance that the betting markets having following the upset in AL, IMHO.


I'd put both McCaskill - and maybe even Heitkamp or Manchin - in more danger than Donnelly or Brown.

Joe Donnelly is really a perfect fit for Indiana. It's a red state, but not bright red. In fact, weren't we just talking about how the Democrats don't "allow" anti-choice people in their caucus? NARAL has never had him higher than 20% -- while the NRLC has never had him lower than 70%. Brown, meanwhile, has as much 'populist' with those working class, midwest types than anyone.
   1312. DavidFoss Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:36 PM (#5592010)
So much for being a placeholder

Does it matter? The state's Lt. Governor isn't good enough to run for Senate?
   1313. PepTech, Bane of Epistemological Foundations Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:39 PM (#5592011)
You just did.

What you quoted stands by itself as whiny, but it also came on the heels of him failing to admit responsibility
Ray, in all seriousness - I will sign on to Franken's resignation statement as being highly weaselly. He dodges rather than accepts responsibility. He doesn't appropriately apologize. He doesn't even actually step down. It's lame.

It's not, however, whiny. There's no "it's not fair". He says he can't be effective as a Senator, then notes the irony of Trump remaining in office after worse allegations. It's self-serving at times (mostly, even), but "whiny" is a characterization that we will charitably call "mistaken", and which does not become true despite your repetition.

   1314. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5592012)
So much for being a placeholder

Does it matter? The state's Lt. Governor isn't good enough to run for Senate?


I think Clapper is referring to how sleazy it is for a governor to appoint someone investigating said governor... and then trying to enjoy some schadenfreude over whackjobs that manage to be even WORSE primarying said sleazy appointee... and winning the primary....

Oh - wait.

My bad.

Wrong party.
   1315. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5592014)
Franken announced his resignation last week in the wake of accusations that he groped and kissed women without their consent. He did not, however, set a date for his departure from the Senate, saying only that he would leave “in the coming weeks.” Smith on Wednesday said she’s spoken with Franken and his staff and expects he will officially step down some time in early January.


Waiting for the Roy Moore recount to be decided, I guess.

Keep hope alive.
   1316. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5592015)
I admit I haven't been paying attention to this, but I'd say it's both, obviously primarily hostility. The hostility is certainly bred from fear; not an "OMG THOSE GAYS WILL KILL ME" fear (although that WAS part of the fear in the 80s with the AIDS breakout), but a truly intense agita that can very appropriately be described as fear. Exposure to the unknown, discomfort with the image, concern they might BE gay, etc.


Thank you for your comments.
   1317. zenbitz Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:47 PM (#5592017)
Which reminds, me ol' JE was WAY off on Warren's comments on Trump's tweet about Gillibrand. What Warren is calling out is that calling (or in Trump's case "subtly implying") someone (especially a woman -- but anyone really) a "whore" is definitionally slut-shaming. Gillibrand's (and everyone elses!) sex lives are their own business. Warren is not "confirming" that Gillbrand is a whore (JE's words, IIRC) - she is saying that implying a woman is promiscuous (as opposed to literally a prostitute) is just slut-shaming and should be ignored (as valid -- obviously not ignored on an outrage basis) on that point alone.

And frankly, people who sell their bodies for sex (voluntarily!) are no more immoral or imperfect than those of us who sell our time, minds, and effort to pay the bills.

I actually think Trump (or his camp) could have gotten away with their "not in sexual way" explanation (at least technically, because, well, Trump) except for the word "USED!" at the end. I mean, despite his awesome communication skills I think we all know why this tweet was interpreted the way that it was.

   1318. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:49 PM (#5592019)
I'd put both McCaskill - and maybe even Heitkamp or Manchin - in more danger than Donnelly or Brown.

Oops, meant MO, not OH. Agree entirely that McCaskill is more vulnerable. Brown should win, barring something unforeseen. Sorry about that.
   1319. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5592020)
Nothing new or earth-shattering here -- and the 'Choose your own adventure' path I saw someone lay out on twitter yesterday is more lyrical - but a pretty good backgrounder how everyone in the GOP got everything wrong in Alabama.
   1320. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 03:58 PM (#5592025)
Oops, meant MO, not OH. Agree entirely that McCaskill is more vulnerable. Brown should win, barring something unforeseen. Sorry about that.


Speaking of Ohio...

Just for amusement, when someone mentioned Omarosa Mannicottiewhatever being exited from the WH -- I was idly looking up where she's from to help Steve Bannon with his recruitment efforts.

Turns out she's from Ohio -- born and raised, went to school, etc. The guy she recently married is from Florida, I think (hey - that works too!).

In any case, just in case Stevie Boy needs some ideas for his swamp draining...
   1321. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5592026)
Come on if you're watching a bad porno and the guy/girl says they will "DO ANYTHING for _____" there's only one implication. Sanders telling us to "get our minds out of the gutter" is ludicrous when the POTUS is basically tweeting the plot to a Brazzers flick.
   1322. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5592027)
In any case, just in case Stevie Boy needs some ideas for his swamp draining...

Uh... she's not the right color for a large segment of the alt-right.

Not saying that they are all racists, but enough of them are to render a black woman DOA in terms of winning a national primary.
   1323. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5592034)
I am the way and the light. You proles don’t deserve the salvation I offer.
   1324. PepTech, Bane of Epistemological Foundations Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5592036)
I am the way and the light. You proles don’t deserve the salvation I offer.
No, that's SBB's schtick...
   1325. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5592039)
Ann Coulter weighs in!

Bannon is the least culpable! Order of blame: 1) McConnell; 2) Kushner; 3) Trump [August 15: Primary - Mo Brooks killed by those 3 ganging up on him]; August 18: Bannon leaves the White House, backs best of bad options

Trump should have endorsed Brooks in the primary, but he endorsed Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s pro-amnesty candidate, Luther Strange, on the advice of his son-in-law. Because who knows Alabama politics better than Jared Kushner? (I guess we can scratch the expression, “As goes Kushner, so goes Alabama!”)

The most status-conscious Republicans were hysterical about Roy Moore’s holy roller Christianity. I hope their tax cut bill dies. Should’ve backed Mo Brooks!

Everyone who screwed the pooch on this one better realize fast: All that matters is immigration. It’s all that matters to the country, and it’s all that matters for winning elections.

“Anti-establishment” is not a winning issue. Without immigration as the GOP’s lodestar, every election will be a rerun of the Tea Party from 2010 to 2012, when Republicans lost Senate seat after Senate seat, entirely in unforced errors.

We’ll have to watch helplessly as “establishment Republicans” fight “anti-establishment Republicans” over the right to milk a he-goat. Both sides will lose, and Democrats will sweep Congress and destroy our country.

Conservatives who ignore immigration while carrying on about taxes, defense spending, ISIS, abortion or the Ten Commandments are too stupid to be of any real help.

That’s why McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan keep producing loss after loss for Trump. They’ve turned the Trump presidency into the Bush presidency — but, this time, with Jared Kushner! (Obviously, any Republican president would desperately seek Kushner’s counsel — but could Jeb! have gotten Ivanka, too?)


She's right, Clapper... Jason... and company.

Ignore Ann Coulter at your peril.
   1326. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5592040)
Just something stupid or perhaps an indication that the next to be accused is one of her political allies?

This is mostly a generational thing. Millenials (both genders) have no idea of what is appropriate for the workplace. A standard "suit and tie" makes it a non-issue for men. But younger women reject dress codes as patriarchal (which they are to some unavoidable extent), but at the same time too many push the boundaries of what is acceptable workplace attire.

That in no way excuses men harassing them. But appropriate workplace attire is something that many Millenial women haven't figured out quite yet.
   1327. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5592044)
Bannon is the least culpable! Order of blame: 1) McConnell; 2) Kushner; 3) Trump [August 15: Primary - Mo Brooks killed by those 3 ganging up on him]; August 18: Bannon leaves the White House, backs best of bad options

Well Moore himself is obviously the most culpable.

Neither the WH or even McConnell should have gotten involved in the AL primary. As that Politico article detailed, they tried to clear the field to Strange, which gave Moore his opening. The governor's decision to move the primary to December 2017 rather than November 2018 was equally dumb, as it allowed Democrats to galvanize in a low turnout election (although not as low as one might have expected). So she deserves blame.

I'd rank it as:
- Moore
- Ivey
- McConnell
- Bannon
- Kushner/White House

To be fair, DJT was more of a passenger of this doomed clown car, not the driver. His biggest faults were: (a) endorsing in the primary in the first place; and (b) withholding his endorsement of Moore until well after the child molestation allegations were made.

Bannon tried to take advantage of a situation that Ivey and McConnell created. But ultimately the fault of this defeat lies with the very flawed candidate himself, not the political operative who recruited him and tried to get him elected.
   1328. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5592045)
This is mostly a generational thing. Millenials (both genders) have no idea of what is appropriate for the workplace. A standard "suit and tie" makes it a non-issue for men. But younger women reject dress codes as patriarchal (which they are to some unavoidable extent), but at the same time too many push the boundaries of what is acceptable workplace attire.

That in no way excuses men harassing them. But appropriate workplace attire is something that many Millenial women haven't figured out quite yet.
My baby boomer wife has issues with what her (Fortune 500-size) company feels is appropriate, so it's not just millenials.
   1329. villageidiom Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5592048)
Waiting for the Roy Moore recount to be decided, I guess.

Keep hope alive.

Well, yeah, kinda.

If Franken's seat is vacated before Jones is seated, the Senate can invent a reason not to seat either Jones or Franken's replacement. That keeps the number of defections the GOP can have on any given Senate bill higher than it would be if either one is seated. While SCOTUS precedent would in theory give no legal standing to the Senate's blockade of the two new Senators, the judicial process to resolve it would last long enough to allow actual votes to take place without either new Senator. However, if Franken waits until after Jones is seated, there is no advantage to blocking his replacement.
   1330. The Good Face Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5592050)
This is mostly a generational thing. Millenials (both genders) have no idea of what is appropriate for the workplace. A standard "suit and tie" makes it a non-issue for men. But younger women reject dress codes as patriarchal (which they are to some unavoidable extent), but at the same time too many push the boundaries of what is acceptable workplace attire.

That in no way excuses men harassing them. But appropriate workplace attire is something that many Millenial women haven't figured out quite yet.


You dress like a stripper, people gonna treat you like a stripper. Doesn't make it right, but the world ain't always as we wish it to be.
   1331. Hysterical & Useless Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5592051)
appropriate workplace attire is something that many Millenial women haven't figured out quite yet.


Only women who can't make inappropriate attire work should dress appropriately.

There ought to be some entertainment in the work place!
   1332. gef the talking mongoose, amorphous lefty blob Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5592052)
1) McConnell; 2) Kushner; 3) Trump [August 15: Primary - Mo Brooks killed by those 3 ganging up on him]


Brooks just announced that he has prostate cancer, but I had no idea the diagnosis is terminal.

Thoughts & prayers.
   1333. gef the talking mongoose, amorphous lefty blob Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:31 PM (#5592054)
This is mostly a generational thing. Millenials (both genders) have no idea of what is appropriate for the workplace. A standard "suit and tie" makes it a non-issue for men. But younger women reject dress codes as patriarchal (which they are to some unavoidable extent), but at the same time too many push the boundaries of what is acceptable workplace attire.

That in no way excuses men harassing them. But appropriate workplace attire is something that many Millenial women haven't figured out quite yet.


They're pretty good at spelling "Millennial" correctly, though.
   1334. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5592056)
Brooks just announced that he has prostate cancer, but I had no idea the diagnosis is terminal.


I'm not sure doctors actually use the word "terminal" in the context of cancer anymore.

They basically just talk about stages and chances/prognosis in 5 or 10 year intervals.
   1335. dlf Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:39 PM (#5592057)
I'd rank it as:
- Moore
- Ivey
- McConnell
- Bannon
- Kushner/White House


I'd add two more but not sure where to slot them: Strange and Bentley. Strange is wooden and unlikable and, possibly more importantly, appeared corrupt when he threw sand in the gears of the investigation of Governor Bentley. Then there is Bentley who tried trading the interim slot for not being indicted, poisoning the atmosphere against his nominee with subsequent pain for whomever was going to come out of the preliminary mud slinging rounds.

Edit: Ray #1334 - you missed the joke: see Coulter's language that our favorite mongoose was quoting.

Edit #2: who was the announcer, who when stating that a player was deemed 'day to day' said "aren't we all?" Was that Skip Caray?
   1336. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5592058)
Looking it up - if I've got my calendar right - I think Kennedy died during or around the summer 2009 recess (late August). Kirk was appointed late September.
I shouldn't post while I'm on trial; I was distracted. I had forgotten about those shenanigans. Massachusetts Dems kept changing the law regarding senate vacancies. Normal practice is that governor appoints a replacement until special election. But the Dem legislature took that power away from their governor in 3004 because it was Romney, and they didn't want to give him a chance to appoint a republican to fill Kerry's seat if he was elected president. But then when Kennedy was dying they didn't want to leave the seat vacant until a special election, so they restored that power to the governor. And he appointed Kirk. The seat sat vacant for several weeks at that time because the new law hadn't yet been passed. But that's not the time period of nterest; the time period is when Brown won the election. And there's no evidence that Democrats held anything up for Brown.
   1337. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5592059)
They basically just talk about stages and chances/prognosis in 5 or 10 year intervals.

They talk about McCain's particular cancer in terms of months, not years plural. IIRC, the probability of surviving more than 18 months or so after diagnosis is pretty close to zero. They may not call it terminal anymore, but that's what it is.
   1338. gef the talking mongoose, amorphous lefty blob Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:49 PM (#5592061)
Strange is wooden and unlikable and, possibly more importantly, appeared corrupt when he threw sand in the gears of the investigation of Governor Bentley.


I've been too lazy to look into whether Strange is any relation to Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange, of whom I am not a particular fan.
   1339. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:51 PM (#5592063)
I shouldn't post while I'm on trial; I was distracted.


Mr. Nieporent? Mr. Nieporent you are in contempt! Did you hear that?
   1340. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:53 PM (#5592067)
So much for being a placeholder

Does it matter? The state's Lt. Governor isn't good enough to run for Senate?

Just noting that when Smith was first mentioned as the likely Franken replacement, all the reporting indicated that she had no interest in running for the seat, just as she had declined to run for Governor. That seems to have changed quickly. I'd be curious as to whether she was persuaded that it was better to avoid a wide-open primary by her running, or the early reporting was just wrong about her interest in running. Not suggesting that it especially significant, just that placeholders normally … know their place.
   1341. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5592069)
Will this fix the thread?

EDIT: Apparently not.
   1342. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5592070)
Hmm. Wasn't me this time.
   1343. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5592072)
Witness: "And so I do confess to killing the victim. Mr. Nieporent's client is innocent."

[silence]

Judge: "Mr. Nieporent...?"
   1344. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:01 PM (#5592074)
"Just a minute, Your Honor. I'm discussing legislative events in 2010."
   1345. dlf Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:03 PM (#5592077)
I've been too lazy to look into whether Strange is any relation to Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange, of whom I am not a particular fan.


I moved before he took over for Bright, but did buy a car from Blunt-Strange many years back.

Yes, Montgomery went from a Bright mayor to a Strange one reasonably shortly after Mobile had elected an Outlaw as Mayor. A moore strange outlaw party!
   1346. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:08 PM (#5592079)
Ray, explain comedy again. Because that amuses me.
   1347. Greg K Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5592082)
They're pretty good at spelling "Millennial" correctly, though.

I don't know. I mark a lot of papers written by millennials...

I should also note that some definitions I've seen for "millennial" include me, and I'm only spelling it right because I'm referring to your usage quoted above.

EDIT: Assuming this even is the correct spelling. Who can say?
   1348. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:12 PM (#5592083)
I shouldn't post while I'm on trial; I was distracted.
Ya know, I never understood how all of you lawyers had so much time to post here. I guess now we know.

At least everyone knows car salesmen spend most of the day dicking around on the internet.
   1349. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:15 PM (#5592084)
Does it matter? The state's Lt. Governor isn't good enough to run for Senate?


Meh. She has been kind of a behind the scenes person for much of her political career and a poor/middling politician the rest of it. She might be fine, heck she might be great, but honestly most Minnesotans couldn't pick her out of a line up. Lt. Gov. is kind of a nothing position here (think VP but less important).

Here is what Wikipedia say about her, before being Lt. Gov.

Smith moved to Minnesota in the 1980s for a job at General Mills in marketing.[5] She later started her own marketing firm, and served as a Vice President of Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, North Dakota, and South Dakota.[6] From 2006 through 2010, Smith served as Chief of Staff for Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak.[7]

In 2010, Smith managed Rybak's bid for governor until he lost the DFL endorsement to Margaret Anderson Kelliher. Smith later joined Mark Dayton's campaign for governor as senior advisor and transition co-chair for Dayton's 2010 gubernatorial campaign. Dayton appointed Smith as chief of staff when he took office in 2011.[8]


When Dayton's first Lt. ducked out he picked her and they won in Dayton's second term. She is the least impressive candidate for Senator in 2018 I can imagine (now anyway). She was perfect for a placeholder and I really hope she goes right back to doing that.

Note: I realize this hurts me in the Donkey chase, but I gotta be me.
   1350. BrianBrianson Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:15 PM (#5592086)
Ray, explain comedy again. Because that amuses me.


Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die.

A sense of humour measures the extent to which a person is aware we live in a universe almost totally devoid of reason. Laughter is how we express the anxiety we feel at this knowledge.
   1351. Stormy JE Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:16 PM (#5592087)
This Mike Doran comment seems fairly on target:
When Rosenstein appointed Mueller, he cited no broken law. Mueller is on a counterintelligence mission. Fusion GPS has ties to Russia: it's dossier comes directly from FSB sources. The same legal logic underpinning the Mueller investigation should therefore apply to Fusion too.
If it were me, I'd probably throw in an "increasingly likely" or, at minimum, "quite possibly" qualifier before "comes directly from FSB sources."
   1352. Stormy JE Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5592088)
Hang on, what's this about an Anderson Cooper hacked tweet controversy?
   1353. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:23 PM (#5592090)
I don't think that's the explanation Ray would have given.
   1354. Stormy JE Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:23 PM (#5592091)
Glenn Reynolds (aka Instapundit):
SO I JUST HAD AN INTERESTING EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S PRESS OFFICE:

Me:

I’m hearing from a source that Lisa Page was involved in approving Peter Strzok’s warrant requests to the FISC and possibly elsewhere. Can you confirm or deny if this was the case? And please tell me what her job title and function are in your office. Thanks.

Them (via spokesman Joshua Stueve):

Lisa Page, who was an attorney on detail to the Special Counsel’s office, returned to the FBI’s Office of the General Counsel in mid-July.

Me again:

Thank you but that doesn’t answer my question. What role did Lisa Page have in the handling of warrant applications, and in particular those involving Peter Strzok?

Them again:

I’ll decline to comment further.


Well, then.
Emphasis mine.

Nothing to see here, folks...
   1355. Omineca Greg Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:24 PM (#5592092)
I should also note that some definitions I've seen for "millennial" include me, and I'm only spelling it right because I'm referring to your usage quoted above.

You're doing better than me. I thought it had something to do with hats.
   1356. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:27 PM (#5592094)
That Lisa Page sounds like a truly despicable person.
   1357. BrianBrianson Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:28 PM (#5592095)
We don't really know a lot of details about what Mueller's looked into, except what we can infer from the charges, and scraps people he's interviewed has leaked for their own benefit. I would certainly guess that Mueller's looked/is looking into how the dossier was assembled, and if he finds anything improper he's likely to bring charges there - if (if) it's true that the dossier was produced with the aid of the Russian government, it would certainly fall within his remit. Aid of the Russian government not meaning aid of Russian government officials who'd be lucky to wind up on a 15 year vacation to Jakoetsk if their supervisor found out they'd provided info for the dossier.

I'm pretty confident there're more charges coming - two people turned state's witness with nothing they've given up (unless flipping Papadapolous is what flipped Flynn?) certainly would indicate that. How many more defendants - hard to say.
   1358. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:29 PM (#5592096)
Emphasis mine.

Nothing to see here, folks...


There actually isn't. All the press person was cleared to do was to give name, rank, serial number. There's nothing suspicious about this, Jason. It doesn't mean there is - or is not - anything else here. The press person was simply declining to comment on the substance. Probably because the press person has no other information. Maybe because the press person didn't want to go beyond the information he was authorized to dispense and thus didn't want to be fired.

And frankly it smells like a setup by the reporter who was asking a sub-loaded question. "Hey, I'm hearing a bunch of salacious things here" - without mentioning that he was "hearing them" from the voice inside his head.
   1359. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5592097)
After perusing his usual sources at /pol and Stormfront, Juan retreats to more sensible conspiracists:

Yes. And press needs to focus on the evidence that the Obama administration used law and national security apparatuses to frame Trump for collusion w/Putin, based on bogus Fusion GPS "dossier."


Deep State! Coup! Coup!
   1360. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:31 PM (#5592098)
I'm pretty confident there're more charges coming - two people turned state's witness with nothing they've given up (unless flipping Papadapolous is what flipped Flynn?) certainly would indicate that. How many more defendants - hard to say.


It's beginning to get late early.
   1361. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:31 PM (#5592099)
If it were me, I'd probably throw in an "increasingly likely" or, at minimum, "quite possibly" qualifier before "comes directly from FSB sources."
And also add "which is not in any way relevant, but sounds scary, so we add it in there to obfuscate".
   1362. BrianBrianson Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:34 PM (#5592101)
My understanding is that compared to previous special prosecutors, Mueller is acting fairly quickly.
   1363. Stormy JE Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:37 PM (#5592106)
There actually isn't. All the press person was cleared to do was to give name, rank, serial number. There's nothing suspicious about this, Jason. It doesn't mean there is - or is not - anything else here. The press person was simply declining to comment on the substance. Probably because the press person has no other information. Maybe because the press person didn't want to go beyond the information he was authorized to dispense and thus didn't want to be fired.

And frankly it smells like a setup by the reporter who was asking a sub-loaded question. "Hey, I'm hearing a bunch of salacious things here" - without mentioning that he was "hearing them" from the voice inside his head.
Glenn Reynolds is a conservative law professor who, by the way, you approvingly quote or paraphrase here, but he's hardly a sensationalist. If he has a source telling him that Page may have been involved in approving warrant requests crafted by her lover to a FISA court, I'll believe him.

As for your "name, rank, serial number" comeback, the press officer can answer however she sees fit but it's just one more example of perceived Special Counsel stonewalling.
   1364. Stormy JE Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5592108)
And also add "which is not in any way relevant, but sounds scary, so we add it in there to obfuscate".
LMAO. It's so adorable when folks who claim to have seen Russia-Trump collusion under every mattress for the past year-plus suddenly lose all interest when evidence surfaces of potential collusion between the FSB and a Clinton-funded oppo research firm, which resulted in the unverified (and probably discredited) dossier.
   1365. BDC Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:44 PM (#5592109)
Everyone who screwed the pooch on this one better realize fast: All that matters is immigration. It’s all that matters to the country, and it’s all that matters for winning elections (Anne Coulter)

Was this a salient issue in Alabama? (Primary or special election.) All politics is local, as they say, and not being there, I don't know how it played out in AL except that I assume pedophilia was a huge issue. But Moore is a xenophobe, so all else being equal, nominating him (by Coulter's standards) should have been special-election gold, the then-unknown pedophilia aside.
   1366. Stormy JE Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:45 PM (#5592110)
Even an OTP alum has something to say:
Very, very bad. FBI agents talking about "Russia investigation" of Trump as an "insurance policy" to hamstring/remove him in case he gets elected. No spinning this away.
But go ahead, let's see you fellas accuse Jeff of being a Trumpkin.

I'll hang up and listen...
   1367. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:47 PM (#5592111)
That Lisa Page sounds like a truly despicable person.


She's unhingedly texted her lover about a desire to key a car because it had a Sanders bumper sticker and screamed at televisions because she saw Eric Holder on it.... Clearly, she's got problems.

I'm pretty confident there're more charges coming - two people turned state's witness with nothing they've given up (unless flipping Papadapolous is what flipped Flynn?) certainly would indicate that. How many more defendants - hard to say.


If Mueller's buck stop with Flynn -- then I think he did a really, really, shitty thing letting him off so light. Unless the rendition story is complete BS - and not even the Trumpkins seem to be making that case - dude needs to go to jail for a good, long stretch. FFS.... I'm not really big on 'send a message' deterrent punishments - but someone that's been at the highest level of both the military and executive branch mulls over a plot to kidnap and hand over a person granted political asylum to a regime (ally or not) that certainly isn't going to be treating him to milk and cookies?

Give me a break.

I'll be disappointed if there are no bigger fish to fry.... but I'll be completely outraged if Flynn pleads out to some BS probation and a fine.
   1368. Ray (CTL) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5592112)
My understanding is that compared to previous special prosecutors, Mueller is acting fairly quickly.


That's why with each passing day it becomes increasingly less likely that he'll find Russia collusion at the end of the yellow brick road.
   1369. Larvell B Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5592113)
No one pretends this, they simply acknowledge that it is generally a significantly worse issue for blacks than for whites.


In what way would your advice as how to act around cops differ for a 15 year old white kid as opposed to 15 year old black kid?

Answer: It wouldn't.
   1370. PepTech, Bane of Epistemological Foundations Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5592114)
The http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/13/cnns-anderson-cooper-says-hacker-called-trump-pathetic-loser-from-his-verified-twitter.html on Cooper Anderson includes the line
Because of Cooper’s alleged bi-partisanship
It used to be Fox for one side, MSNBC for the other, and CNN just left of center, but Don Lemon is just as unwatchable as Maddow or Hannity these days. Coop and Wolf seem OK but I don't watch enough anymore to know. Are the network news partisan these days? Who keeps track of this stuff?
   1371. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:49 PM (#5592115)
Very, very bad. FBI agents talking about "Russia investigation" of Trump as an "insurance policy" to hamstring/remove him in case he gets elected. No spinning this away.


It doesn’t say that at all.
   1372. gef the talking mongoose, amorphous lefty blob Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:49 PM (#5592116)
Everyone who screwed the pooch on this one better realize fast: All that matters is immigration. It’s all that matters to the country, and it’s all that matters for winning elections (Anne Coulter)

Was this a salient issue in Alabama? (Primary or special election.)


Only among the truly rabid Trumpkins, as best I can tell. Of whom there clearly weren't enough to elect Moore.
   1373. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:50 PM (#5592117)
Glenn Reynolds is a conservative law professor who, by the way, you approvingly quote or paraphrase here, but he's hardly a sensationalist.


He's also a great guy to have on your legal team should you decide to engage in a little vehicular homicide!
   1374. BDC Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:52 PM (#5592118)
I saw a member yesterday with her cleavage so deep it was down to the floor,” Kaptur said

Ya know … both men and women dress (quite a few of them, anyway) so that they look #######'. I don't know why that is. People on college campuses do it. People on the street in Paris do it. People in courthouses do it (I'm just listing places I've spent time in the past week). Apparently in Congress they do it too. Whyever they do it, I think a principle of life should be that on campuses, you teach and learn, on the streets of Paris, you say "pardon" and get where you're going, in courthouses, you play your role in the legal system, and in Congress, obfuscate and prevaricate and bloviate. If someone in your sexual-preference sights, as you go about your workaday business, looks dramatically good, maybe file that information away and approach them at some later time out of professional context. Otherwise, just accept that people like to look good, and act like a member of a civil society in the meantime.
   1375. Larvell B Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:55 PM (#5592120)
Glenn Reynolds is a conservative law professor who, by the way, you approvingly quote or paraphrase here, but he's hardly a sensationalist. If he has a source telling him that Page may have been involved in approving warrant requests crafted by her lover to a FISA court, I'll believe him.


And it pretty clearly happened to try to mitigate the "risk" they discussed in the reported texts.

Things sane people suspected are very much starting to reveal themselves.
   1376. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:58 PM (#5592122)
It used to be Fox for one side, MSNBC for the other, and CNN just left of center, but Don Lemon is just as unwatchable as Maddow or Hannity these days. Coop and Wolf seem OK but I don't watch enough anymore to know. Are the network news partisan these days? Who keeps track of this stuff?

Lemon is unwatchable because he's dull and a terrible interviewer. That he isn't objective is the least of his shortcomings.

CNN became unwatchable when they started giving air time to people whose only qualifications were that they supported DJT early in the primary. Fortunately I think that they fired most of them.

My biggest complaint with CNN is that they overload a panel with literally 8 people for a four minute segment. No one has a chance to articulate much of anything, let alone rebut a point unless it's basically scripted theatre. MSNBC is a least a little bit more spontaneous (I haven't watched FNC for about 10 years, so no idea how they compare).
   1377. Stormy JE Posted: December 13, 2017 at 05:58 PM (#5592123)
Here it is. And CNN is going with "hacking" as the way out of this mess?

Hmmm, I wonder how many times over the years CNN presenters and other personalities have mocked athletes, actors, and politicos who muster up the same excuse...?
   1378. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:05 PM (#5592124)
If only all the people in the world could handle themselves on twitter with the grace of Donald Trump. /eyeroll

I have no love for Anderson Cooper or any other person in the media, but can't people see that the President should be (and MUST be) held to a higher standard due to his responsibilities in the USA and the world? It's seriously embarrassing.
   1379. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5592127)

Very, very bad. FBI agents talking about "Russia investigation" of Trump as an "insurance policy" to hamstring/remove him in case he gets elected. No spinning this away.
But go ahead, let's see you fellas accuse Jeff of being a Trumpkin.
Strangely, the linked story does not actually have the term "Russia investigation" in it at all -- not in the story, and not in the quoted texts -- so it's puzzling as to why Jeff put that term in quotation marks. The article does indeed quote a text that uses the term "insurance policy," but there is absolutely no context. It most certainly does not describe a Russia investigation as an insurance policy, nor does it mention anything about removing Trump.
   1380. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:10 PM (#5592129)
Glenn Reynolds is a conservative law professor who, by the way, you approvingly quote or paraphrase here, but he's hardly a sensationalist.


I think he spent most of 2002 warning us that Iraq was just months away from nuclear weapons and characterizing people who disagreed as being terrorist sympathizers.
   1381. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:11 PM (#5592130)
What enrages the Dancing Monkeys is that Obama has more grace in his pinky nail clippings than the entire Trump family.
   1382. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:12 PM (#5592131)
But can Obama run a fake college? Doubtful.
   1383. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:15 PM (#5592132)
It used to be Fox for one side, MSNBC for the other, and CNN just left of center, but Don Lemon is just as unwatchable as Maddow or Hannity these days. Coop and Wolf seem OK but I don't watch enough anymore to know. Are the network news partisan these days? Who keeps track of this stuff?


I avoid cable news like the plague - other than election nights (where generally, I prefer Fox if it's a good night for team blue. I like watching sad ######## get more sad) - so for all I know, CNN hosts are starting their hours with "Welcome to day 337 of life under a ridiculous dumbass who ought to be shot"...

But in any case, I'm curious as to how one actually expects people who have to spend 1-2 hours a day talking about politics to talk about such a ridiculous clown? What's the longest Trump has gone without doing or saying (or both) something stupid? It's not like talking about terrorist fist bumps or partial comments made two years ago. He delivers - ridiculous - material almost daily.

How are people supposed to cover Trump?

"Today, the President squeezed his daughter's tits while making a meep-meep noise, pissed on a fallen soldier's casket and called for my lynching. Some on the left say that this goes too far, while others on the right say it's a necessary part of draining the swamp. Polling indicates that the 71% of the American says Are You ####### Kidding Me, 25% say I don't take calls while brewing my bathtub meth - with 4% having no opinion.

Later on my panel, we'll discuss the what this all means.

But first, let me bring on House Speaker Paul Ryan. Thank you for joining me - so my lynching? Is there a compromise to be found between those in your caucus who agree with Trump and those who say salting the earth around my home after the lynching is required?"

Hell.... just look at the Trumpkins here - his actual defenders.

Clapper just does basic stenography with occasional little cutesy bon mots about how it's really just a problem for Democrats.

Jason has decided that the only way he can be a good little doggie and find a spot on the great orange lap is to crank the volume up to 11 on his greatest hits album of Hillary malfeasance.

At least Ray and SBB will - selectively and occasionally - actual weigh in on what he says or does; i.e., actually discuss HIM... they'll usually fall back on the comfort of rote attacks on anyone that attacks him.... but they try.

But if the core of your job is to cover politics -- and the centerpiece of American politics is completely and utterly ridiculous -- I submit that it's simply not possible to actually do your job with any credibility without acknowledging the obvious ridiculousness in the room.

If acknowledging the ridiculousness of Trump bother him and his Trumpkins - then I have a very simple suggestion: Tell your boy to stop being ridiculous. 43 Presidents before him managed it, for the most part. Certainly, none made a daily habit of it.
   1384. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:18 PM (#5592134)
43 Presidents before him managed it, for the most part. Certainly, none made a daily habit of it.


Subtle nod to Grover Cleveland
   1385. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:27 PM (#5592140)
43 Presidents before him managed it, for the most part. Certainly, none made a daily habit of it.


Subtle nod to Grover Cleveland


I prefer to think of it as a subtle slight to all-around shitheel David Rice Atchison :-)
   1386. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 06:30 PM (#5592142)
I prefer to think of it as a subtle slight to all-around shitheel David Rice Atchison :-)


Duly noted. I will treat it as such.
   1387. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:05 PM (#5592153)
Glenn Reynolds is a conservative law professor who, by the way, you approvingly quote or paraphrase here, but he's hardly a sensationalist. If he has a source telling him that Page may have been involved in approving warrant requests crafted by her lover to a FISA court, I'll believe him.

More of a self-described libertarian, but, more importantly, there would appear to be a stronger connection between Page giving the OK to Strzok's warrant requests & that conversation/text about creating "an insurance policy" in the unlikely event Trump was elected, than all the stream of consciousness connect the dots claims made here against the Trump Administration. Someone needs to look at that, and it looks like it will fall to the House Judiciary Committee in the exercise of its oversight function.
   1388. BDC Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:08 PM (#5592154)
Strzok will be OK. He just got $14M/2yrs from the Mets.
   1389. Count Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:15 PM (#5592156)
More of a self-described libertarian, but, more importantly, there would appear to be a stronger connection between Page giving the OK to Strzok's warrant requests & that conversation/text about creating "an insurance policy" in the unlikely event Trump was elected, than all the stream of consciousness connect the dots claims made here against the Trump Administration. Someone needs to look at that, and it looks like it will fall to the House Judiciary Committee in the exercise of its oversight function.


What's the connection? Also, what are the fruits of the warrant request?

House Republicans have been desperately trying to give Trump cover to end the Mueller investigation. This has ramped up since the Flynn plea. Truly the party of Trump.
   1390. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:20 PM (#5592161)
Strzok will be OK. He just got $14M/2yrs from the Mets.


Middle relievers getting 7-9 million a year is mildly ridiculous but I suppose it's just the price of poker these days. He was worth more than 2 wins last year so hopefully he keeps it up.
   1391. JJ1986 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:33 PM (#5592165)
all the stream of consciousness connect the dots claims made here against the Trump Administration.
The what?
   1392. Larvell B Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:35 PM (#5592166)
there would appear to be a stronger connection between Page giving the OK to Strzok's warrant requests & that conversation/text about creating "an insurance policy" in the unlikely event Trump was elected, than all the stream of consciousness connect the dots claims made here against the Trump Administration.


Far stronger.
   1393. Srul Itza Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:37 PM (#5592167)
Was this a salient issue in Alabama?


I don't see why it would be. People come to America to escape oppression, poverty and bigotry. Why would they move to Alabama, when they could have gotten all that at home?
   1394. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:42 PM (#5592168)
all the stream of consciousness connect the dots claims made here against the Trump Administration.

The what?

Don't you read zonk's posts?
   1395. JJ1986 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:49 PM (#5592170)
Don't you read zonk's posts?
Posts on a message board may not always be accurate. If you're interested in the case against the Trump Administration, you may want to check the news or the indictments or the guilty pleas or just wait a bit and see where it all leads.
   1396. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:55 PM (#5592173)
Ha that's funny...wait a bit...Dancing Monkeys can't wait if they hear their organ grinder calling. THEY MUST DANCE!!
   1397. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:58 PM (#5592176)
What's the connection? Also, what are the fruits of the warrant request?

The same DoJ/FBI participants seem to be involved in Hillary's e-mail investigation, the Trump team wiretaps, and Mueller's inquiry, all while proclaiming their strong dislike of Trump and the need for an insurance policy in case he was elected. Seems reasonable to find out to whether that Democratic-funded opposition research phony dossier was used to justify the warrants generated by Strzok-Page, and whether that was part of an "insurance policy" effort that included the Bureau's Deputy Director, whose wife just happened to be a Democratic politician funded extremely generously by Hillary's political allies.
   1398. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 07:58 PM (#5592177)
House Republicans have been desperately trying to give Trump cover to end the Mueller investigation. This has ramped up since the Flynn plea. Truly the party of Trump.


They can have him.

Frankly - setting aside that it's bad for the country that even the best possible case which we already know beyond any shadow of a doubt; that Team Trump was a candy store for Russian intel to insert moles and proles, much less the worse and as of yet unproven case - if we're gonna play this stupid "Let's make a deal!" game where Trump and his enablers rid themselves of this meddlesome priest or let it ride and see what's behind door #2 of Mueller completing the inquiry.... then #### it.

Flip a coin and do you what you want, Trumpkins. You will anyway... or rather, you'll ultimately do what Trump wants you to do. So how about we just skip the kabuki.

You mopes, mucks, and sucks go right ahead and finish the job of welding yourself to the hip of Mr. 32% and dropping approval, put your "Tax Reform" plate of cookies out for Santa Wall Street.... and then spend 2018 with the only thing you've been all that interested in for a good 30 years now (brief forays into lighting a couple trillion dollars on fire in Iraq aside): investigating Hillary Clinton. Or investigating the investigation into investigating how the investigation of the investigation came to be investigated. Whatever.

After last night, I'm increasingly hopeful the country can survive another 12 months of your bullshit....

And then you'll be done and back where you belong, doing the only thing you're competent at... hurling poo from the minority penalty box.
   1399. JJ1986 Posted: December 13, 2017 at 08:00 PM (#5592179)
The same DoJ/FBI participants seem to be involved in Hillary's e-mail investigation, the Trump team wiretaps, and Mueller's inquiry, all while proclaiming their strong dislike of Trump and the need for an insurance policy in case he was elected. Seems reasonable to find out to whether that Democratic-funded opposition research phony dossier was used to justify the warrants generated by Strzok-Page, and whether that was part of an "insurance policy" effort that included the Bureau's Deputy Director, whose wife just happened to be a Democratic politician funded extremely generously by Hillary's political allies.
So were Flynn and Manafort Democratic plants or did the Trump team have the bad luck to be framed for colluding with Russia while colluding with Russia?
   1400. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: December 13, 2017 at 08:03 PM (#5592182)
all the stream of consciousness connect the dots claims made here against the Trump Administration.


The what?

Don't you read zonk's posts?


I know technology confuses you -- but when you see a high definition digital picture, it's not actually dots being connected like the LiteBrite you're more familiar with.... See, when all those little pixels are presented in a manner that produces a recognizable picture - there's actually not any "connection" necessary. All the dots simply form a picture.
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