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OTP 11 September 2017: Hurricane Irma wreaking havoc on minor league baseball playoffs

There are 18 minor league affiliations that play playoffs every season, and those playoffs all have different formats – some with one wild card, some with split first-half/second-half winners, some with a required 8-10 team playoff grouping. This season, the issues caused by Hurricane Irma will lead to 3 of those 18 championships being cancelled and turned into co-champions.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 11, 2017 at 07:54 AM | 1783 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM (#5530157)
Re the Ted Cruz liking the tweet thing, who cares, whatever, but in all of these social media snafus that I can remember, it has always ended up exactly what it appears to be. In this case, that Cruz "liked" the porn video.
   202. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:33 PM (#5530158)
Considering that Obamacare has no dental provisions for adults (pediatric dental care is required for family health plans), I believe your costs are wholly your own fault and problem.


Dental coverage is worse than regular coverage. But I continue my string of very rarely needing anything medical done, but when I do I have to pay up the wazoo for it, despite having max coverage on everything.

Why aren't you shedding a tear for me that I just paid $1,089 for a necessary, non-cosmetic dental procedure?
   203. Morty Causa Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:33 PM (#5530159)
Without a root canal, a crown on a tooth will cost me $1400. (Or I could get one of those newfangled lamination jobs for 4-5 thousand. If you work for an employer that provides medical insurance that covers dental work, you're damn lucky. Very few people who are in business for themselves, say independent contractors, can afford that dental corollary to a medical policy (hey, libertarians, there's power and benefits in acting as part of a group).
   204. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:35 PM (#5530161)
RDP's hot take of the day:

Re the Ted Cruz liking the tweet thing, who cares


SPICY!
   205. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5530162)
(Now, granted, it cost me $1,089.00 for the root canal, because despite me paying for insurance for me and a percentage of another random person I don't know, after all the dust settled from my coverage my insurance only covered $700 of it. It's not that the cost of health insurance is exorbitant; it's that individual health care items should be so much cheaper, but there's no free market for them so they're not.)


Maybe you're just a crappy negotiator.
   206. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5530166)
Why aren't you shedding a tear for me


Because you don't empathize with anyone else, so why would anyone empathize with you?
   207. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:43 PM (#5530168)
I don't understand the "controversy." I didn't think it was controversial that openly gay people can be distinguished from straight people merely from still photos and the like; indeed, I thought the whole _point_ of being openly gay was that by your voice, actions, and appearance you're communicating that you're... openly gay.

This software wouldn't flag Rock Hudson, but it would certainly flag Alan Cumming.

Controversial study scientifically supports notion of ‘gayface’ — and no one seems to be OK about it

Gay rights groups have come out against a controversial study that found that sexual orientation can be read from people’s faces.

The implications for personal privacy are obvious regarding research by Stanford’s Yilun Wang and Michal Kosinski. The study used an artificial intelligence facial recognition algorithm and more than 35,000 pictures of men and women in a dating site who’d identified themselves as gay or straight.

The AI model correctly distinguished between gay and straight men 81% of the time, and gay and straight women with 71% accuracy. In short, the study scientifically supports the notion of gayface.

...

Since the study was published Friday and spotted by the Economist, GLAAD and the Human Rights Campaign have denounced the study as “junk science” and “dangerous.” They expressed concern that it could be used as a weapon against gays and lesbians. “Imagine for a moment the potential consequences if this flawed research were used to support a brutal regime’s efforts to identify and/or persecute people they believed to be gay,” HRC’s Ashland Johnson, director of public education and research, told the Washington Post. “Stanford should distance itself from such junk science.”

“Technology cannot identify someone’s sexual orientation,” GLAAD Chief Digital Officer Jim Halloran said. “This research isn’t science or news, but it’s a description of beauty standards on dating sites that ignores huge segments of the LGBTQ community.”


   208. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM (#5530170)
Because you don't empathize with anyone else, so why would anyone empathize with you?


I empathize with whoever has to interact with you on a regular basis. Does that count?
   209. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM (#5530171)
Dental coverage is worse than regular coverage. But I continue my string of very rarely needing anything medical done, but when I do I have to pay up the wazoo for it, despite having max coverage on everything.

Why aren't you shedding a tear for me that I just paid $1,089 for a necessary, non-cosmetic dental procedure?


Because you're paying under the system you've long said that you prefer.

Again, there is no mandate for dental insurance (for adults, as I said - ACA family plans do have to include pediatric dental coverage). Federal law is virtually non-existent in terms of impacting the market or coverage requirements. Covered/non-covered so far as dental insurance goes is about 60/40. Medicaid isn't even required to cover adult dental - though, it's optional and NY is one of the states that includes it in its Medicaid package.

IOW - your issues with dental insurance, coverage, pricing, is all happening under the basic schema you say that you prefer.

People who can afford dental insurance buy it. People who cannot - or choose not to, if you like - do not. Strictly in terms of adult coverage, there is virtually no "cost sharing" happening.

It's your perfect world.

If you feel the costs, coverage, etc are poor - then you're more than welcome to support any number of options that would make dental insurance more of a tightly regulated/required/etc product....

...but at the moment, it's about as close to your oft-described perfect world of insurance products as exists. So, that's why I don't feel sorry for you.
   210. Traderdave Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5530173)
209:

"Because you're an ass hole" would have saved a lot of keystrokes.
   211. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:50 PM (#5530174)
"Because you're an ass hole" would have saved a lot of keystrokes.


Quick quiz: Who is more likely to be an "ass hole," the person being called an ass hole or the person calling someone else an ass hole?
   212. DavidFoss Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5530175)
Quick quiz: Who is more likely to be an "ass hole," the person being called an ass hole or the person calling someone else an ass hole?

Oh, a world where everyone is projecting. Fun.
   213. Traderdave Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:55 PM (#5530176)

Quick quiz: Who is more likely to be an "ass hole," the person being called an ass hole or the person calling someone else an ass hole?




I throw myself upon the mercy of the jury, which will surely consider posting history.
   214. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5530177)
Who is more likely to be an "ass hole...?"


Kirk Cameron
   215. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 12:59 PM (#5530179)
Who is more likely to be an "ass hole...?"


Everybody but Pablo Picasso ...
   216. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:04 PM (#5530182)
Not to distract from the name calling, but I thought some Russia! Russia! Russia! news was in order.

Mueller haunts the West Wing

White House aides with legal exposure to these events have quickly reached four conclusions, according to conversations with Jonathan Swan and me:

1. Mueller is burrowing in hard on the obstruction of justice angle.

2. The "angry, meandering" draft White House justification for firing Comey — which was never released, but obtained by Mueller — could be used as evidence of Trump's unvarnished thinking when venting to staff.

3. Legal fees, with white-collar attorneys charging $1,000 an hour, get cripplingly expensive pretty quick. Watch for outside legal defense funds to pop up quickly.

4. The investigation's financial dimensions are worrisome. The focus on Michael Cohen, a Trump lawyer and confidant whose business dealings are intertwined with the president's, has been particularly troubling for those in Trump's close orbit. Cohen dealt with some colorful characters. And when plans for the Trump Tower in Moscow are fully picked apart, other questionable Russian characters may be drawn in.
   217. TDF, FCL Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:04 PM (#5530183)
Why aren't you shedding a tear for me that I just paid $1,089 for a necessary, non-cosmetic dental procedure?
This is likely untrue, at least in the technical sense.

I faced this head-on when I was diagnosed with a detaching retina in my left eye; I had a short (but ultimately satisfactory) fight with my insurance company because it was considered "nonessential". (EDIT: That's not the right word, but decades of drinking makes the right word elusive)
   218. PepTech Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:04 PM (#5530184)
Quick quiz: Who is more likely to be an "ass hole," the person being called an ass hole or the person calling someone else an ass hole?
I say the looters running around Miami are ########. Does that make me one?

As is often the case, the answer to your question is rarely as binary as you seek to frame it. But I would say, in general, that the person acting like one is more likely to be one.

And everyone acts like one sometimes.
   219. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:13 PM (#5530188)
RE: #207


Voters have a right to keep their political beliefs private. But according to some researchers, it won’t be long before a computer program can accurately guess whether people are liberal or conservative in an instant. All that will be needed are photos of their faces.

Michal Kosinski – the Stanford University professor who went viral last week for research suggesting that artificial intelligence (AI) can detect whether people are gay or straight based on photos – said sexual orientation was just one of many characteristics that algorithms would be able to predict through facial recognition.

Using photos, AI will be able to identify people’s political views, whether they have high IQs, whether they are predisposed to criminal behavior, whether they have specific personality traits and many other private, personal details that could carry huge social consequences, he said.
New AI can guess whether you're gay or straight from a photograph
Read more

Kosinski outlined the extraordinary and sometimes disturbing applications of facial detection technology that he expects to see in the near future, raising complex ethical questions about the erosion of privacy and the possible misuse of AI to target vulnerable people.


The Graun
   220. Lassus Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5530190)
Outside of anything else, calling Ray names destroys any chance of him answering the post by zonk (or anyone else) that addresses the lack of sympathy for his dental bills.
   221. BrianBrianson Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5530191)
The AI model correctly distinguished between gay and straight men 81% of the time, and gay and straight women with 71% accuracy. In short, the study scientifically supports the notion of gayface.


Of course, at that success rate, almost everyone it identifies as gay will actually be a false positive.
   222. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:19 PM (#5530194)
Not to distract from the name calling, but I thought some Russia! Russia! Russia! news was in order.

Mueller haunts the West Wing


It's been amusing of late to see plenty of pro-Trump sites so eager to pronounce RUSSIA RUSSIA over and done because it's no longer on the front page... ignoring the fact that news does still keep emerging and the simple fact that despite all the witch hunt nonsense, Mueller appears to running an extraordinarily tight ship.... there simply hasn't been much in terms of leaks at all - the information we do get seems to come from things you simply can't keep secret forever (like seating a grand jury) or information that clearly seems to be coming from potential targets/target acquaintances/attorneys/etc talking.
   223. Omineca Greg Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:23 PM (#5530196)
Everybody but Pablo Picasso ...


I think he was an ####### (or at least it's an open question; he indulged in behaviour that would get most people called an ####### anyway), he just never got called an #######. The girls being the colour of an avocado apparently really limited their ####### calling ability.

That song also has advice that changed my life...

Oh well be not schmuck, be not obnoxious,
Be not bellbottom bummer or #######

Richman


I was never into the bellbottoms (HIPPIES!!!) but boy, my life turned around when I gave up schmukdom, bummerness, and ass-holia...The obnoxious bit I'm working on. It's not an overnight process.
   224. BrianBrianson Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:26 PM (#5530199)
And of course, your face reveals your age, sex, race ... which is already a decent way to guessing your political affiliation.

Hell, I can discern a black person's political affiliation with ~90% accuracy with my magic rock - that just has "Democrat" written on it.
   225. DJS, the Digital Dandy Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:26 PM (#5530200)
hey, libertarians, there's power and benefits in acting as part of a group

Libertarians have no quarrel with voluntary associations with others.
   226. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:27 PM (#5530201)
Why aren't you shedding a tear for me that I just paid $1,089 for a necessary, non-cosmetic dental procedure?

This is likely untrue, at least in the technical sense.


In my case the root canal is designated a "major procedure." My policy only covers 50% of those. So the cost of it is $1,800 and normally I would pay $900. But my policy is also capped at $1,000 in dental expenses per year. The cleaning and x-rays I had that diagnosed the problem cost $300. So I only had $700 in coverage left. So instead of getting 50% covered I was capped out at $700 covered. $1,800 - $700 = $1,100, which is essentially what I ended up paying.

("I was told... that there would be no math...")

Not sure I could convince them that a root canal isn't a "major procedure." I imagine these things are categorized ahead of time.

(Also I had to get a temporary crown rather than a permanent one so that I could wait until the new calendar year when my coverage resets to get the permanent one installed. Yeah, this is efficient. Causes a whole extra procedure that was unnecessary as it could have all been handled today. We really need a full reset on health/dental insurance.)
   227. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:32 PM (#5530202)
Mueller appears to running an extraordinarily tight ship


Yup. As I said before I am willing to largely accept whatever Mueller reports out sight unseen, because he seems to be doing everything by the book (as his reputation suggest he would). I wonder if the various Trumpkins here will also be willing to accept it, or have they already decided and will either support or attack Mueller depending on how he reports?*

* Rhetorical question, of course.
   228. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:40 PM (#5530205)
I empathize with whoever has to interact with you on a regular basis. Does that count?


Not really. You only do that because you think it benefits you to have them believe you care about them. That's not actual empathy.

You make a show of not caring about...well, almost everything except your tax bill. Which, hey, you do you, buddy. You do you. But you don't get to hit a woe is me tune when people give you the same guff you hand out in spades.
   229. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:42 PM (#5530206)
(Also I had to get a temporary crown rather than a permanent one so that I could wait until the new calendar year when my coverage resets to get the permanent one installed. Yeah, this is efficient. Causes a whole extra procedure that was unnecessary as it could have all been handled today. We really need a full reset on health/dental insurance.)


But that's the thing... for insurers, it is efficient. I imagine some very smart financiers have made the determination that being able to effectively limit annual payouts via a cap - but living with things like theoretically unnecessary maintenance costs - makes sense for the insurer because, I presume, it allows them to more accurately model their earnings/etc. I can only presume the providers have determined the same, for their own bottom line.

Anyway you want to slice it, the "full reset" you say we need is only needed if one accepts that simply leaving the market to fix it isn't a solution.... because both the provider and insurer markets are going to determine the best pricing schema to yield greatest profits.

If you want to get that first punch on your Socialism New World Order card, feel free -- I won't tell anyone and you can just keep it hidden in the back of your wallet.... but until then, both your provider and insurer are going to care less about your individual complaints than they will the aggregate financials around the products and services they provide.
   230. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 01:47 PM (#5530208)
The author, Emily Yoffe, some of you may remember, was a mainstay at Slate for a number of years. She wrote that long article at Slate at the height of the UVA student rape (false rape) accusations. She was much too common-sensical for Slate. This is a comment to her article in The Atlantic on that same subject of rape accusations in colleges and universities and those colleges and universities acting as quasi-criminal adjudicatory bodies, ruining the lives of students.
The three part series by Yoffe should be required reading for anyone who wants to opine on Title IX enforcement.

And if Betsy DeVos does nothing else other than fix that (as it appears like she is trying to do), she'll be a better Secretary of Education than any of her predecessors. Even if Know-Nothing-That-Isn't-In-The-Post-Or-Times Andy has decided she's deplorable for some reason.
   231. Rockwell Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5530213)
--
   232. Rockwell Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:08 PM (#5530214)
Everyone lost a little bit of something, even if it was only personal freedoms.


The country has never really recovered from it; there's a direct line from it even to things like Black Lives Matter.
   233. madvillain Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:08 PM (#5530215)
She's deplorable because a deplorable from WV working in a coal mine is just about as qualified to be Education Secretary. She was a quid pro quo nomination, if there has ever been one. Donate money, get access.

   234. Lassus Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:11 PM (#5530217)
I want to hear about the decline vis a vis today's new iPhone announcement.
   235. Rockwell Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:21 PM (#5530224)
The three part series by Yoffe should be required reading for anyone who wants to opine on Title IX enforcement.

And if Betsy DeVos does nothing else other than fix that (as it appears like she is trying to do), she'll be a better Secretary of Education than any of her predecessors. Even if Know-Nothing-That-Isn't-In-The-Post-Or-Times Andy has decided she's deplorable for some reason.


This remains a very challenging issue that -- beyond the easy calls -- runs far deeper than due process and tribunals and "consent." At its fundamental level, I continue to sympathize with modern, educated young women about the way they're often treated by males. I don't know that there is any third party adjudication of the matter -- properly understood -- that's even possible.
   236. Rockwell Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:26 PM (#5530228)
As I said before I am willing to largely accept whatever Mueller reports out sight unseen, because


... I don't have the tools to know any better.
   237. madvillain Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5530229)
I want to hear about the decline vis a vis today's new iPhone announcement.


Its defining feature is that it's not worth the $1K price tag. I'm no perros but something something decline.
   238. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5530230)
... I don't have the tools to know any better.


"The only tool I need is a stretchy band."
   239. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:29 PM (#5530231)
One downside of becoming more responsible... I used to rely on my proclivity for losing or breaking my phone to dictate upgrades, but alas, I no longer do so (which I suppose works out, since providers apparently no longer offer you free phones if you extend your contract like they used to).

A grand is a lot for a phone... but then again, I suppose I do almost all my day-to-day banking and finance on it. It's also become my primary music system. I read on it fairly often - especially when traveling. It's also my primary GPS and likewise (again, especially when traveling) Zagat/Yelp/TripAdvisor. It's my wallet for plane tickets, hotel, rental reservations, etc.

In short, it IS a piece of technology where the sticker shock is certainly sticker shock... but the reality is that it's probably pretty cost-effective in terms of use and convenience.

That said, my big beef is that I think most of the big cost bump is due to features I really don't care about... I mean, I snap photos occasionally, but I honestly have almost zero use for any sort of mega awesome camera. If there were an option for the better/faster processor, more storage space, and better casing -- but at a lower price point if you got the older, crappier, generations ago camera - I'd jump on it.
   240. Rockwell Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:32 PM (#5530234)
Even if Know-Nothing-That-Isn't-In-The-Post-Or-Times Andy has decided she's deplorable for some reason.


Few things have topped Andy's solemn and ponderous claim that America didn't know anything about black people in the 70s because they were (*) underrepresented in the front section of the NY Times.

Good times.

(*) Allegedly.
   241. Morty Causa Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:34 PM (#5530235)
The three part series by Yoffe should be required reading for anyone who wants to opine on Title IX enforcement.

And if Betsy DeVos does nothing else other than fix that (as it appears like she is trying to do), she'll be a better Secretary of Education than any of her predecessors. Even if Know-Nothing-That-Isn't-In-The-Post-Or-Times Andy has decided she's deplorable for some reason.


But think of the white male privilege!
   242. Mans Best Friend Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:34 PM (#5530236)
Everybody but Pablo Picasso ...

####### beat me to it.
   243. Ishmael Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:35 PM (#5530238)
I read this NY Times article today: ‘Uncontacted’ Amazon Tribe Members Reported Killed in Brazil.
They were members of an uncontacted tribe gathering eggs along the river in a remote part of the Amazon. Then, it appears, they had the bad luck of running into gold miners.

Now, federal prosecutors in Brazil have opened an investigation into the reported massacre of about 10 members of the tribe, the latest evidence that threats to endangered indigenous groups are on the rise in the country.

It reminded me of an editorial from a little while back in Science from Robert Walker and Kim Hill, advocating for controlled contact with isolated people. I don't know whether this recent event supports their thesis or not, but I know it's a fascinating question to think about.

There is a great post I read recently, though it's from 2011, from Greg Downey on the Neuroanthropology blog, 'The last free people on the planet' that provides a good primer on the practical and ethical questions surrounding contact with isolated groups. And takes the other side, more or less, to Walker and Hill. It also clarifies the use of 'uncontacted' in the NY Times article and other mainstream reports on isolated tribes, which is helpful.
   244. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:35 PM (#5530239)
That said, my big beef is that I think most of the big cost bump is due to features I really don't care about... I mean, I snap photos occasionally, but I honestly have almost zero use for any sort of mega awesome camera. If there were an option for the better/faster processor, more storage space, and better casing -- but at a lower price point if you got the older, crappier, generations ago camera - I'd jump on it.


I find it amusingly annoying that "quality of the phone" is absolutely irrelevant in the advancing technology of the so-called mobile phone.
   245. Rockwell Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:37 PM (#5530240)
But think of the white male privilege!


It actually kind of is white male privilege. A lot of white American college and post-college males treat women like ####.
   246. Lassus Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:38 PM (#5530241)
I love Android and have never had an iPhone, but the joyless anti-Apple wonks still are more irritating than Apple.
   247. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:39 PM (#5530242)
You always struck me as more of a Jitterbug man.
   248. PepTech Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5530243)
There's a silent TV in the cafeteria, and as I was walking past the banner on the bottom of the CNN feed was "Sarasota Resident waits over an hour for ...". The route I took blocked the last word for a few seconds and I was thinking "water? gas? diapers? Insulin?" but no, it turned out to be coffee. There's your decline right there.
   249. madvillain Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5530244)
That said, my big beef is that I think most of the big cost bump is due to features I really don't care about... I mean, I snap photos occasionally, but I honestly have almost zero use for any sort of mega awesome camera. If there were an option for the better/faster processor, more storage space, and better casing -- but at a lower price point if you got the older, crappier, generations ago camera - I'd jump on it.


Depending on what hardware site you trust, Apple makes anywhere from $150 to $400 on each iPhone 7, the current gen. Split the difference and say they make $275 on each phone. That's about a 40% profit margin. Healthy, to say the least.

The problem is that tech wise, we've long ago reached the point of diminishing returns on both hardware and software. You can't really optimize iOS much more. You can't really make the processor much stronger without a corresponding drop in battery life. Consumers these days expect a phone that has all day battery life no matter what you are doing -- so they underclock (less voltage) the processor but make up for it on IPC (instruction per clock) improvements, which are incremental at this point, even for ARM.

I've long though the next big revolution in phones will be whoever can make a hologram projector out of one. So when mom calls a little hologram of her pops up star trek style as you're talking. This tech is probably 5 years away, maybe 10 in a phone form factor.

The rest of the #### is just spit shining, really. The processor gets slightly better, camera gets slightly better, etc.
   250. Morty Causa Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5530245)
This remains a very challenging issue that -- beyond the easy calls -- runs far deeper than due process and tribunals and "consent." At its fundamental level, I continue to sympathize with modern, educated young women about the way they're often treated by males. I don't know that there is any third party adjudication of the matter -- properly understood -- that's even possible.

At some point, and I think conservatives, libertarians, non-post-liberal liberals can agree on this: you just gotta let people live there lives as they see fit as best as they can, and you have to quit all that fine-tuning the social engineering cadre just can't leave alone. And if you or anyone thinks that males, even white males, have it so much better than females (and let's be honest, it's mostly white females, the most privileged class overall, that does the caterwauling), you need to do some serious re-thinking.
   251. Lassus Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5530246)
A lot of white American college and post-college males treat women like ####.

You're not implying some kind of anti-intellectual noble savagery for the way non-college males treat women, I hope.
   252. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5530247)
I find it amusingly annoying that "quality of the phone" is absolutely irrelevant in the advancing technology of the so-called mobile phone.


Meh - I don't know that there's all that much you can do to improve the actual phone...

That said, the new chipset sounds like it is a pretty healthy leap forward (though, I think the previous A10 series introduced multicore processing in the iphone).
   253. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:44 PM (#5530248)
A lot of white American college and post-college males treat women like ####.
   254. Rockwell Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:45 PM (#5530249)
You're not implying some kind of anti-intellectual noble savagery for the way non-college males treat women, I hope.


No, but the topic typically revolves around campuses and campus tribunals.

Fundamentally -- again putting aside the easy, obvious cases of rape or assault -- there hasn't really been a meeting of the minds between men and women on the rules of engagement in the Era of Sexual Freedom. Or maybe for a period there was, and now it's gone. I'm generally on the side of women on the issue, but really have no idea what the answer, or "solution," is.

   255. BrianBrianson Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:46 PM (#5530250)
Meh - I don't know that there's all that much you can do to improve the actual phone...


Let it weigh a couple pounds, and put a battery in it that'll get me through playing Plants vs. Zombies while I'm taking a ####.
   256. The Good Face Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:46 PM (#5530251)
The problem is that tech wise, we've long ago reached the point of diminishing returns on both hardware and software.


Muh Moore's Law!
   257. Lassus Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:47 PM (#5530252)
I've long though the next big revolution in phones will be whoever can make a hologram projector out of one. So when mom calls a little hologram of her pops up star trek style as you're talking. This tech is probably 5 years away, maybe 10 in a phone form factor.

Five or ten years seems like maybe not the best guess.
   258. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:48 PM (#5530253)
I love Android and have never had an iPhone, but the joyless anti-Apple wonks still are more irritating than Apple.


Honestly, I think it's all UI familiarity...

My work phone is an Android - and it's perfectly fine, but since I use my iphone more, I'm just more familiar with the interface. I think this has long been a strategy of Apple - even predating smartphones and tablets - they have always tended to develop interfaces and controllers that are different enough that you'd be annoyed flipping back and forth between systems. Some of them do seem more logical/efficient, but most are just "different"....
   259. Mans Best Friend Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:49 PM (#5530254)
I remember when they couldn't tell the difference between Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

Dont let Dubyas Texas residency fool you.

Then again, the elite of the elite -- two Presidents, the comedy duo Graham & McCain, and Zonk favorite Bob Mueller -- have worked tirelessly to ensure we continue to think of KSA as our friend and ally.

Who needs enemies?

Yielding to mounting pressure, Congress finally released the infamous twenty-eight pages in July 2016, albeit with many passages still censored. At long last, the discoveries unearthed by Jacobson and his colleagues in San Diego could be incorporated in the lawsuit. Though salient details, such as Omar Bayoumi’s role in assisting the hijackers, had previously been bruited about, many new ones came to light, such as the actions of Saleh al-Hussayen, a Saudi cleric and government employee who had suddenly moved to Hazmi and Mihdhar’s hotel the night before the attacks. Hussayen was “deceptive” about his relationship with the attackers when interviewed by the FBI and feigned a seizure to evade further questioning. Taken to the hospital, he escaped and fled the country. The world also learned about Mohammed al-Qudhaeein, another Saudi government agent whose “profile is similar to that of al-Bayoumi.” While on his way to a party at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, Qudhaeein researched ways to get into an American Airlines cockpit. (Thanks to a tip from a friendly government archivist, Kathy Owens meanwhile unearthed another long-censored document that had been quietly declassified. It reveals an Al Qaeda member’s flight certificate enclosed in a Saudi Embassy envelope.)


Actually, al-Qudaeein and another man attempted to enter an AA cockpit in Novemeber 1999, leading to an emergency landing and interrogation by FBI.
   260. Mans Best Friend Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:52 PM (#5530256)
A lot of white American college and post-college males treat women like ####.

Present company excluded, of course.
   261. madvillain Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:54 PM (#5530257)
five or ten years seems like maybe not the best guess.


cool article on a cool product but I'm talking mass production and affordability driving mainstream adoption. We had HDTVs in 1997. Nobody bought them because they were too expensive and there was no content. VR tech is "here" as well but requires a $2K outlay for the really good stuff and doesn't yet really have a killer app.

About a year ago I looked into getting a hologram projector for my office. The tech was out there, but only available via kickstarter backing and started around $1K for the baseline investment.

Get it done to $300 and put it in a phone and give it snapchat filters and you'll have the new must have gadget for 2022.
   262. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:54 PM (#5530258)
so few people in America living in actual poverty


14.3%, about the same rate as it's been since the late '60s. Not sure that really counts as a "so few", and the essentially sideways trend line doesn't really support a connection to the cost of manufactured goods.
   263. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:57 PM (#5530260)
Re the Ted Cruz liking the tweet thing, who cares


It wouldn't be nearly as funny if he weren't being hoist by his own petard, given his past remarks about the damage done by the "pornography epidemic" in America and his stated position that adults do not have the right to stimulate their own genitals for sexual satisfaction.

Maybe he was just watching it for the cinematography, rather than out of any prurient interest?
   264. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:58 PM (#5530261)
14.3%, about the same rate as it's been since the late '60s.

Key distinction being, I believe, "actual poverty" vs "poverty" as defined by the government's ever-shifting threshold.
   265. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:58 PM (#5530262)
249

the next big revolution in phones will be whoever can make a hologram projector out of one


Help me, Obi Wan Kenobi...
   266. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:00 PM (#5530264)
Depending on what hardware site you trust, Apple makes anywhere from $150 to $400 on each iPhone 7, the current gen. Split the difference and say they make $275 on each phone. That's about a 40% profit margin. Healthy, to say the least.

The problem is that tech wise, we've long ago reached the point of diminishing returns on both hardware and software. You can't really optimize iOS much more. You can't really make the processor much stronger without a corresponding drop in battery life. Consumers these days expect a phone that has all day battery life no matter what you are doing -- so they underclock (less voltage) the processor but make up for it on IPC (instruction per clock) improvements, which are incremental at this point, even for ARM.

I've long though the next big revolution in phones will be whoever can make a hologram projector out of one. So when mom calls a little hologram of her pops up star trek style as you're talking. This tech is probably 5 years away, maybe 10 in a phone form factor.

The rest of the #### is just spit shining, really. The processor gets slightly better, camera gets slightly better, etc.


It's the ridiculous storage limits and pricing that annoys me... I know it's due in no small part to Apple - like everyone else - wanting to push cloud services because hey, why make a one-time sale when you can instead implement the recurring revenue of SaaS, but it still annoys me.

At least for my money - I've always though that was the most ridiculous part of the sales and pricing schemas... three figure price bumps for the next level of local storage capability? Gimme a break...
   267. Lassus Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:01 PM (#5530265)
#261 - Fair enough, I suppose, but I don't think a new $300 phone with any new tech of any sort will now exist in your lifetime.
   268. madvillain Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5530266)
It's the ridiculous storage limits and pricing that annoys me... I know it's due in no small part to Apple - like everyone else - wanting to push cloud services because hey, why make a one-time sale when you can instead implement the recurring revenue of SaaS, but it still annoys me.


The cost of SSDs has stayed flat or gone up in the last year. My understanding is prices aren't expected to go down anytime soon, mostly due to demand in every application: from phone to desktop to server farm. That said, Apple absolutely gouges you on storage. Same story on their laptops. As yous said, they want you to use iCloud.
   269. TDF, FCL Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:05 PM (#5530267)
(Also I had to get a temporary crown rather than a permanent one so that I could wait until the new calendar year when my coverage resets to get the permanent one installed. Yeah, this is efficient. Causes a whole extra procedure that was unnecessary as it could have all been handled today. We really need a full reset on health/dental insurance.)
To add to #229 - you're also going to pay your deductible next year, and have the same yearly cap on benefits. So if anything else happens, you're still going to pay out of pocket.

I honestly think dental insurance is a scam - for what my wife and I pay, it would be cheaper to just pay out of pocket for the cleanings and yearly x-rays and take our chances on the other stuff. Much like someone's flood insurance the other day, by now I'd be hundreds of dollars ahead.
   270. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:07 PM (#5530269)
Key distinction being, I believe, "actual poverty" vs "poverty" as defined by the government's ever-shifting threshold.


Then what, according to the Almighty Ray, is the threshold for "actual poverty"?
   271. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:09 PM (#5530270)
Then what, according to the Almighty Ray, is the threshold for "actual poverty"?


Oh we've been through this before. "Actual poverty" is precluded by such luxuries as owning a TV or an PS1.
   272. zenbitz Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:14 PM (#5530271)
Why aren't you shedding a tear for me that I just paid $1,089 for a necessary, non-cosmetic dental procedure?


Because you still don't understand why people would like socialism.
   273. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5530272)
Then what, according to the Almighty Ray, is the threshold for "actual poverty"?

Far be it from me to speak for anyone else, but I'm guessing something along the lines of it being that subset of "poverty" victims who don't have a car, don't have a cell phone, don't have cable TV, can't afford booze and/or smokes and/or lottery tickets, etc. How the size of that subset relates to the set of all people the government defines as being in poverty is something I'm not going to speculate on.
   274. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:21 PM (#5530274)
Oh we've been through this before. "Actual poverty" is precluded by such luxuries as owning a TV or an PS1.


“Twenty million people are underfed but literally everyone in England has access to a radio. What we have lost in food we have gained in electricity. Whole sections of the working class who have been plundered of all they really need are being compensated, in part, by cheap luxuries which mitigate the surface of life.

Do you consider all this desirable? No, I don't. But it may be that the psychological adjustment which the working class are visibly making is the best they could make in the circumstances. They have neither turned revolutionary nor lost their self-respect; merely they have kept their tempers and settled down to make the best of things on a fish-and-chip standard. The alternative would be God knows what continued agonies of despair; or it might be attempted insurrections which, in a strongly governed country like England, could only lead to futile massacres and a regime of savage repression.” - George Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier, 1937
   275. DavidFoss Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5530277)
Muh Moore's Law!

It still exists, but the average person doesn't want to run hurricane simulation algorithms on their phone. People just want to browse, shop, look at maps and stream audio/video. You need fast data transfer for that but not super-fast chips.

Is there something coming down the pike that we'll need powerful CPU's for?
   276. zenbitz Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5530279)
I honestly think dental insurance is a scam - for what my wife and I pay, it would be cheaper to just pay out of pocket for the cleanings and yearly x-rays and take our chances on the other stuff.


For sure it is, right? Does anyone have a dental plan that actually covers them? I guess it has to be a net loss to consumers, otherwise no one would sell it. You don't usually have the blowout extreme $50-100K bill from a life threatening medical emergency. I will have to pay more than Ray just to get a new water heater. I can't imagine anyone poor paying that, but I guess poor people rent.
   277. Greg K Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:28 PM (#5530280)
Far be it from me to speak for anyone else, but I'm guessing something along the lines of it being that subset of "poverty" victims who don't have a car, don't have a cell phone, don't have cable TV, can't afford booze and/or smokes and/or lottery tickets, etc.

Hmm...

1] Don't have a car
2] Damn...do have a cell phone now. But it's a pay as you go "dumb" phone...costs me about $5 a month
3] Don't have cable
4] Can afford booze, smokes, and lottery tickets (though I only buy one of the three)

I realize the implication is that the person in poverty can't afford the car, phone, and cable...but for fun's sake I decided to take you literally.

It is interesting the shifting parameters of what constitutes base living standards entail. I think cable is well on its way being out (perhaps substitute "internet access"). At this point car ownership depends on where you live. How are we for running water/heat/electricity? Or is that all bundled together with lack of a home.
   278. Greg K Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:30 PM (#5530281)
George Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier, 1937

I prefer the venerable Margaret Thatcher's take:

A mystery investigating teenager, or dog, who beyond the age of twenty-six, finds himself still using a jungle canyon rope bridge can count himself a failure in life.
   279. BrianBrianson Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5530282)
The AI model correctly distinguished between gay and straight men 81% of the time, and gay and straight women with 71% accuracy. In short, the study scientifically supports the notion of gayface.


In fact, based on this description, the AI seems beyond ####. My AI here:

int main (int argccharargv[]){

  cout 
<< "I guess you're straight" << endl;
  return 
0;


Correctly guesses whether you're gay or straight more than 95% of the time.
   280. Ishmael Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5530283)
A mystery investigating teenager, or dog, who beyond the age of twenty-six, finds himself still using a jungle canyon rope bridge can count himself a failure in life.

Thatcher, Thatcher, the jungle canyon rope bridge snatcher.
   281. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:34 PM (#5530284)
Key distinction being, I believe, "actual poverty" vs "poverty" as defined by the government's ever-shifting threshold.


I'm not sure how the standard can be criticized as ever-shifting... so far as I know, the government's poverty line level has always been calculated using a simple "three times the cost of annual food diet", adjust annually via CPI.

One of the economists can correct me, but I don't think the CPI calculations include the costs of iphones, flat screen TVs, and cigarettes either.

Hence - the poverty line - at least as Vlad used it - has been calculated consistently and wholly based on a figure on of three times the cost of eating for a year.

It's not some survey of "can you afford HBO" or not...
   282. Omineca Greg Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5530287)
Does anyone have a dental plan that actually covers them?

I'm married, but between my wife and I, our dental coverage exceeds what we need. And it's included in our compensation packages from our employers. No cash out of pocket, for premiums or deductibles. Didn't totally cover the orthodontic work for our kids, but it paid for maybe two thirds (roughly) for each child.

   283. BrianBrianson Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5530288)
Does anyone have a dental plan that actually covers them?


I'm applying for a job in the UK, does that count?
   284. TDF, FCL Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5530289)
I'm not sure how the standard can be criticized as ever-shifting... so far as I know, the government's poverty line level has always been calculated using a simple "three times the cost of annual food diet", adjust annually via CPI.
And what you so far as know is right.
   285. madvillain Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:42 PM (#5530291)
Is there something coming down the pike that we'll need powerful CPU's for?


I just read half a dozen articles on the Apple's new A11 chip in the iPhone X. Its main "breakthrough" seems to be its ability to run the phone off the two low power cores then crank up the other four (in addition to the first two) for 4K video, face rec, etc.

Apple is claiming a 25% raw power increase on these chips as well as a 20-30% battery life increase, mostly due to the feature noted above and a smaller fab process.

It's funny how many Apple fanbois are 'sperging out over the raw numbers when Steve Jobs was never, ever a raw numbers guy and often made fun of Windows and Microsoft for thinking consumers bought hardware on specs. It would be interesting to see the same people talk about a Samsung CPU given the same specs. I'd imagine they'd take a Jobs esque "so what" stance.

Personally I do not see face scan or 4K video as "must have" features on a phone but for $999 they sure as #### should be included imo. But if they weren't? Fanbois would still be talking up the CPU, regardless of what real world benefits it provides.
   286. Lassus Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5530292)
282. Omineca Greg
Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5530287)
I'm married, but between my wife and I, our dental coverage exceeds what we need. And it's included in our compensation packages from our employers. No cash out of pocket, for premiums or deductibles. Didn't totally cover the orthodontic work for our kids, but it paid for maybe two thirds (roughly) for each child.


I believe he meant someone not living in a murderous Pol Pot-cosplay socialist hellhole.
   287. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5530293)
I'm not sure how the standard can be criticized as ever-shifting... so far as I know, the government's poverty line level has always been calculated using a simple "three times the cost of annual food diet", adjust annually via CPI.


The number I cited is from the Census Bureau's supplemental measure - the current federal poverty rate is 13.5%. That said, the number I provided has also used a consistent methodology since the 1960s, and the two numbers tend to track pretty closely (as you would expect).
   288. Ishmael Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5530294)
In fact, based on this description, the AI seems beyond ####.

I thought that too, which would have been hilarious. But, turns out: " Gay and heterosexual people were represented in equal numbers."
   289. The Good Face Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5530295)
Muh Moore's Law!

It still exists


That a fact?

but the average person doesn't want to run hurricane simulation algorithms on their phone. People just want to browse, shop, look at maps and stream audio/video.


Sure, the Frinkiac 7 looks impressive–Don’t touch it!–But I predict that within 100 years, computers will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive only the five richest kings in Europe will own them.
   290. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:46 PM (#5530296)
It's funny how many Apple fanbois are 'sperging out over the raw numbers when Steve Jobs was never, ever a raw numbers guy and often made fun of Windows and Microsoft for thinking consumers bought hardware on specs. It would be interesting to see the same people talk about a Samsung CPU given the same specs. I'd imagine they'd take a Jobs esque "so what" stance.


Also, still no headphone jack, which is a deal-breaker for me.
   291. dlf Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5530297)
There is something a bit surrealistic in reading posts about poverty from folks who are so well off that they can afford to spend dozens of hours a week debating the number of angels dancing on the head of a beer in an OTP thread on a baseball board.

FWIW, for professional reasons, I've spent about 6 months on and off living in Bangalore, India. There a significant number of people live in small buildings constructed of plywood, metal scraps, and plastic tarps. Many bathe in open drainage ditches or behind public water trucks with the taps opened. And even there, I saw satellite dishes in the midst of the squalor. I certainly didn't begrudge those tiny luxuries as I was being chauffeured back to my lodgings at the Taj.
   292. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5530298)
have worked tirelessly to ensure we continue to think of KSA as our friend

Why do you refer to Saudi Arabia as KSA? It took me a while to figure out what you were referring to. The Koreans, the Kurds.

It is like the people who write USG. No one calls it the United States government. It is the US, or the USA.
   293. Omineca Greg Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:49 PM (#5530299)
I believe he meant someone not living in a murderous Pol Pot-cosplay socialist hellhole.

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood then. Never mind. I'm disqualified.
   294. Lassus Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:51 PM (#5530300)
Also, still no headphone jack, which is a deal-breaker for me.

Eschewing Bluetooth headphones seems akin to eschewing indoor plumbing, but YMMV.
   295. BrianBrianson Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:51 PM (#5530301)
I thought that too, which would have been hilarious. But, turns out: " Gay and heterosexual people were represented in equal numbers."


My algorithm is still better. If it's getting 80% right for both straight and gay men, the field accuracy would be

97%*0.8 + 3%*0.8 = 80%

While my algorithm got
97%*1.0 + 3%*1.0 = 97%.

So in practice, it's still a far work approach.
   296. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5530304)
The author, Emily Yoffe, some of you may remember, was a mainstay at Slate for a number of years. She wrote that long article at Slate at the height of the UVA student rape (false rape) accusations. She was much too common-sensical for Slate. This is a comment to her article in The Atlantic on that same subject of rape accusations in colleges and universities and those colleges and universities acting as quasi-criminal adjudicatory bodies, ruining the lives of students.

The three part series by Yoffe should be required reading for anyone who wants to opine on Title IX enforcement.

And if Betsy DeVos does nothing else other than fix that (as it appears like she is trying to do), she'll be a better Secretary of Education than any of her predecessors. Even if Know-Nothing-That-Isn't-In-The-Post-Or-Times Andy has decided she's deplorable for some reason.


Betsy DeVos is an ideologue with a serious contempt for public schools, which is likely the reason you show up at her doorstep every Saturday night bearing candy and flowers. My problem with her has nothing to do with her take on campus sex codes, which I totally agree are too often skewed towards encouraging "recovered memory" type accusations.

And FWIW I was reading The Atlantic long before you were even born, and you're no Spring chicken yourself.
   297. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 12, 2017 at 03:58 PM (#5530305)
Eschewing Bluetooth headphones seems akin to eschewing indoor plumbing


Sound quality is higher with analog, and since I already have a nice pair of studio monitors that I use for audio editing, why would I want to spend a decent amount of money on something that's measurably worse at the same job? Also, why the #### would I want to move from something that draws power from the phone to something that has an independent power source that needs to be monitored and periodically recharged? That seems like a huge pain in the ass.
   298. The Good Face Posted: September 12, 2017 at 04:00 PM (#5530307)
There is something a bit surrealistic in reading posts about poverty from folks who are so well off that they can afford to spend dozens of hours a week debating the number of angels dancing on the head of a beer in an OTP thread on a baseball board.

FWIW, for professional reasons, I've spent about 6 months on and off living in Bangalore, India. There a significant number of people live in small buildings constructed of plywood, metal scraps, and plastic tarps. Many bathe in open drainage ditches or behind public water trucks with the taps opened. And even there, I saw satellite dishes in the midst of the squalor. I certainly didn't begrudge those tiny luxuries as I was being chauffeured back to my lodgings at the Taj.


That's sort of the point. Poverty in the US is not much like poverty in India, and I happen to think that's a good thing. Unfortunately, the open borders crowd is doing their level best to change that and make poverty great again.
   299. BDC Posted: September 12, 2017 at 04:00 PM (#5530308)
Does anyone have a dental plan that actually covers them?

I have appreciated mine. The premiums are about what two cleanings a year would cost, and two cleanings are free. As others have said, if I never needed dental work, I could just pay out of pocket, but I often do need it. Unless the contract rate of 50% or whatever for a procedure is more than I'd pay for 100% of uncovered treatment, I am doing OK.

I'm not sure if anyone's getting scammed in the deal; I think the insurers must make money the usual way, mainly by holding money for a while than by actually paying out a great deal less than they take in. I do know that my previous dentist was frustrated with my insurance company. He was starting to press various kinds of treatments that were uncovered – extreme cleanings that sounded a bit like Marathon Man, on the theory that I would happily pay a lot more to have my gums filleted for some reason.
   300. Covfefe Posted: September 12, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5530309)
There is something a bit surrealistic in reading posts about poverty from folks who are so well off that they can afford to spend dozens of hours a week debating the number of angels dancing on the head of a beer in an OTP thread on a baseball board.


I'd be happy - or feel it less surreal - if every time discussions of poverty came up, Ray didn't suddenly pretend that liberals weren't just making up the definition based on their feelings of personal iphone ownership and guesses as to how many people have them.

If there's a complaint to be had against the metrics on poverty, it's probably better stated that the methodology for calculating it is probably too low...

I mean, if one is of the opinion that the people living below the FPL are making out like bandits -- sounds like such people making the complaints could save like bandits if they just tried to live a year spending only the FPL.

For an individual, that's $12,060.

So - have at it... Spend a year living on $12,060.... based on my guesses of what various compensation levels are of folks - you wouldn't just be able to justify the caterwauling, you'd end up with a really nice chunk of change that you could invest, spend on hookers and coke, or whatnot at the conclusion.

Win/win!
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