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OTP 12 February 2018: Jeff Samardzija explains why politics and baseball rarely mix

However, there were several curveballs that forced Giants’ players to think outside the box, including one from a fan who asked a trio that included catcher Buster Posey, reliever Cory Gearrin and starting pitcher Jeff Samardzija whether they think baseball players should have a role in voicing their political opinions like football and basketball players have in recent years.

The question temporarily stumped Gearrin and Posey, so as his teammates waited, Samardzija decided to jump in and share his perspective.

“I don’t think so, not necessarily because we’re here to entertain you guys. Every time we step on the field, it’s important,” Samardzija said, before pausing temporarily while a loud round of applause petered out.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

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   801. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 14, 2018 at 01:52 PM (#5624969)
Maybe they're holding out for another Hillary run? New Yorkers Don't Want Cuomo, Gillibrand or de Blassio To Run For President:
When asked if Cuomo should run for president, 28 percent of respondents said he should and 63 percent said he shouldn’t. That’s down from when Quinnipiac asked the same question in July, and 38 percent wanted him to run.
. . .
When asked whether Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand should consider a 2020 campaign, voters said no by a 58-28 margin. They overwhelmingly rejected the idea of a candidacy from New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, spurning the idea 78-15.

No Schumer?
   802. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: February 14, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5624970)
Hey, do you Dancing Monkeys play dominoes? Because another one fell yesterday in Florida. When Trump loses his FL peops, it's a bad sign for him.
   803. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5624971)
What happens in that situation is that some of them probably were able to talk themselves into the idea; thus the Yates lunacy about Flynn being "compromised" by the Russians.


I agree with you about Yates pushing hard to hackily and bogusly question Flynn on the basis of the Logan Act. That to me is what has come out of York's reporting, among others.

And as I said from the moment the news of Flynn's plea deal broke, that explains very well why Flynn lied - presuming he did so - about communications that were perfectly legal.
   804. ^^^ Posted: February 14, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5624972)
Or suppose that 72% of illegal immigrant HAVE jobs, which is a greater percentage than the 59% you see among the total population. Does the party line now revert to how "illegal immigrants are stealing jobs from citizens"?


LOL.
   805. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5624975)
Or suppose that 72% of illegal immigrant HAVE jobs, which is a greater percentage than the 59% you see among the total population. Does the party line now revert to how "illegal immigrants are stealing jobs from citizens"?


I don't know if Andy is claiming here that the unemployment rate is 41% among American citizens or legal residents, but that is not how unemployment rates work. You have to be unemployed AND LOOKING, which does not describe retirees or those physically or mentally unable to work. I shudder to ask the question of whether Andy is also counting children and students among the ranks of the "total population" who also "don't have jobs."

But even if his numbers were true, there's the weighting problem. Most illegal immigrants have manual labor jobs. These jobs earn on average a significantly lower wage/income compared to the average wage/income of working American citizens and legal residents.
   806. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5624977)
Haha.

Never change, Trumpkins, never change.... as ever, Trump orbiters only commit crimes because mean people made them.

With all their long histories of integrity, stability, and straight shooterdom -- how could anyone suspect otherwise?
   807. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5624979)
I'll let David parse this one, and note that the Post's Aaron Blake is a political writer, and not a lawer:

Did Trump’s lawyer just implicate Trump in the Stormy Daniels payment?

When evaluating President Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen's new admission that he paid porn star Stormy Daniels $130,000 out of his own pocket, it's worth focusing on what he doesn't deny: namely, that Trump had anything to do with it.

In a statement first reported by the New York Times and also shared with The Washington Post, Cohen says for the first time that he paid Daniels. The Wall Street Journal had first reported the payment as hush money to keep the adult-film actress from disclosing an alleged affair with Trump, but thus far nobody else had confirmed that the payment existed. Cohen's hand was apparently forced by the watchdog group Common Cause, which last month announced it was filing a complaint arguing that Cohen's $130,000 payment could be construed as an illegal 2016 campaign contribution.

Here's some of what Cohen said Tuesday:
In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford [Daniels's real name]. Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly. The payment to Ms. Clifford was lawful and was not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone.

You might notice there is one main Trump-related entity that Cohen doesn't deny was “party to the transaction” or reimbursed Cohen, and that's Trump. It's also noteworthy that Cohen uses the word "facilitate" -- a word that seems to leave open to the possibility that the chain doesn't end at the use of "my own personal funds."

It's difficult to dismiss either as a coincidence, given Cohen is a lawyer and has carefully parsed his comments throughout this situation. He has regularly offered what seemed to be denials but didn't totally deny the details of what the Journal had reported.

When the Journal first confronted him with its reporting in January, Cohen offered a denial that didn't directly address whether he had made the payment; instead, he focused on whether the affair happened. “This is now the second time that you are raising outlandish allegations against my client,” he told the Journal. “You have attempted to perpetuate this false narrative for over a year; a narrative that has been consistently denied by all parties since at least 2011.”

Again, that sounds a lot like a denial, but he's denying something very specific — and turns out it wasn't the payment. (Cohen still denies that an affair occurred, for what it's worth. In his latest statement, he suggests that he was merely combating the rumors of an affair: “Just because something isn’t true doesn’t mean that it can’t cause you harm or damage. I will always protect Mr. Trump.”)...

The big question is whether Cohen served as a conduit for anyone else -- especially Trump. Cohen emphasizes that he used his own personal funds to "facilitate" the payment, but he doesn't directly say that he wasn't reimbursed by anyone. Indeed, the word "facilitate" means to make something easy or less difficult, which could be read to describe serving as a middle man for such payments.

Given all of that, the fact that Cohen doesn't explicitly deny serving as a conduit for Trump personally — and then says he doesn't “plan to provide any further comment” — is tough to dismiss as a coincidence.

Almost as tough as it is to believe that Cohen would make such a payment without Trump having any knowledge of the situation.
   808. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:04 PM (#5624980)
#799:
The key thing to remember is that none of them ever thought any of the power abuses during the campaign would ever come to light. And they wouldn't have, if not for Trump's election.


That must be why Susan Rice waited 73 days after said election before sending her last crafty cover-up email.

And why Christopher Steele shopped the fake dossier to everybody and his grandmother, but with a Post-It that said, "If Trump wins, you must forget that you got this."

And why the FBI briefed President-elect Trump on the dossier. And made everyone in the DoJ pinky-swear not to tell Jeff Sessions.



#796:
The "red line" comment was a rare moment of political stupidity from Obama.


Such bad luck for Barack Obama, that his above quote came JUST before Republicans started taking their President seriously, but not literally.
   809. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5624981)
Yes, a more productive DACA recipient is better for the country than a less productive DACA recipient. But that's not the right comparison; you also have to compare that to a deported DACA recipient.

Why is a deported DACA recipient the "right" comparison? Isn't the much more common outcome going to be a still remaining in the US illegally DACA recipient?
   810. zenbitz Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5624982)
I think Brian's point about refugees is intriguing from an utilitarian stand point. But you can't rule out the possibility that engaged, intelligent motivated refugees might just need to weather the storm "abroad" before returning to save their country/homeland.
   811. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5624984)
I'll let David parse this one, and note that the Post's Aaron Blake is a political writer, and not a lawer:


I think David already beat him to it -- i.e., catching the "facilitate"... in that Cohen has really done much more than restate what we already know: Set up an LLC which paid Daniels. He facilitated that payment by creating the payer... and the fact that he paid the hundred bucks or whatever out of his own pocket to create it doesn't mean a whole lot more than what we already knew by the fact his name was on the filing.
   812. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5624989)
Hey, do you Dancing Monkeys play dominoes? Because another one fell yesterday in Florida. When Trump loses his FL peops, it's a bad sign for him.


I spent a few days in Sarasota this past fall -- nice place but it certainly didn't seem like Democrat country. The GOP loser is the son of the district's congressman and Lewandowski was personally on hand (complete with chants of "lock her up") at a rally this week.
   813. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5624990)
I think Brian's point about refugees is intriguing from an utilitarian stand point.


He seems to be taking his cue from the long standing fears regarding brain drain (aka Human capital flight). It was a topic back when I was in grad school, and I admit I was always a bit of a skeptic, but not for the reasons one might imagine.

Human capital flight refers to the emigration of highly skilled or well-educated individuals. The net benefits of human capital flight for the sending country are sometimes referred to as a "brain gain" whereas the net costs are sometimes referred to as a "brain drain".

Research shows that there are significant economic benefits of human capital flight both for the migrants themselves and those who remain in the country of origin. It has been found that emigration of skilled individuals to the developing world contributes to greater education and innovation in the developing world. Research also suggests that emigration, remittances and return migration can have a positive impact on democratization and the quality political institutions in the country of origin. Claims of a "brain drain" remain largely unsupported in academic research, with some scholars describing it as a "myth".


None of that is why I am a skeptic though. Even if it turns out that human capital flight is a terrible thing for the source country, so what? It may sound harsh, but I think if people want to move, for whatever reason (well, within reason, obviously), they should be allowed to do so, even if it ultimately harms their country of origin. If said country wants its people to stay home or return, well it can get its act together and make it worthwhile. In the mean time those who see advantage in moving should feel free to do so, without economic scolds telling them they are betraying their homeland or whatever.

Like I have said before people are more important than principle, or in this case country. But, of course, I have never seen anything convincing regarding the "horror stories" the Brain Drain folks tell of (though I have been out of the game for a while, so maybe such exists).

EDIT: By the way I highly recommend following the link and reading up on it, there are even section of various regions like the Arab world. Well worth the time to click the link and then to follow up in other (less superficial places) than Wikipedia. It is an interesting topic I think.
   814. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5624991)
Or suppose that 72% of illegal immigrant HAVE jobs, which is a greater percentage than the 59% you see among the total population. Does the party line now revert to how "illegal immigrants are stealing jobs from citizens"?

I don't know if Andy is claiming here that the unemployment rate is 41% among American citizens or legal residents, but that is not how unemployment rates work. You have to be unemployed AND LOOKING, which does not describe retirees or those physically or mentally unable to work. I shudder to ask the question of whether Andy is also counting children and students among the ranks of the "total population" who also "don't have jobs."


If you'd bothered to check the links, which of course you couldn't be bothered to do, you'd have seen that "8 million illegal immigrants have jobs, some 72 percent of all illegals," and that of the total number of U.S. citizens 16 and over, 35.2% "don't want a job right now". It's got nothing to do with the unemployment rate, which was between 3.2% and 5.5%, depending on how you wanted to count it.

But even if his numbers were true, there's the weighting problem. Most illegal immigrants have manual labor jobs. These jobs earn on average a significantly lower wage/income compared to the average wage/income of working American citizens and legal residents.

There's weighing, but where's the problem? Half the time the Trumpistas are claiming that illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs, and the other half of the time they're claiming that the illegals are all on welfare and draining our economy. Which is it, other than a neverending desire to depict illegal immigrants as some some of a threat to our precious bodily fluids?



   815. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5624992)
I spent a few days in Sarasota this past fall -- nice place but it certainly didn't seem like Democrat country. The GOP loser is the son of the district's congressman and Lewandowski was personally on hand (complete with chants of "lock her up") at a rally this week.


And the GOP candidate lost by 7 points.
   816. Srul Itza Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5624994)
I'll mark you down for the "Should've approached it like Vietnam/Afghanistan"


I'll mark you down as another ignorant git. By the way, do you even remember Viet Nam, or are you just another young 'un?

This approach worked in Kosovo. It worked in Libya. It was largely how we kicked the Taliban out of Afghanistan without the commitment of large ground forces.

The end results of the first were generally good. The end result of the second two were generally bad, due to lack of follow-up and the fact that Afghanistan is functionally ungovernable.

You don't always need large numbers of boots on the ground to have an effect.
   817. Traderdave Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5624995)
Ray:


Or suppose that 72% of illegal immigrant HAVE jobs, which is a greater percentage than the 59% you see among the total population. Does the party line now revert to how "illegal immigrants are stealing jobs from citizens"?


I don't know if Andy is claiming here that the unemployment rate is 41% among American citizens or legal residents, but that is not how unemployment rates work. You have to be unemployed AND LOOKING, which does not describe retirees or those physically or mentally unable to work. I shudder to ask the question of whether Andy is also counting children and students among the ranks of the "total population" who also "don't have jobs."



The labor force participation rate, which includes only legally eligible workers, is at 62%. And have you forgotten your Dear Leader's diktat that the unemployment rate was 42% in 2016?

You should stick to subjects about which you know something, like 90's sitcoms and the tasty ridges that ring Trump's anus.
   818. Srul Itza Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:23 PM (#5624996)
The "red line" comment was a rare moment of political stupidity from Obama.



The "red line" comment was a rare moment of back bone from Obama. It did not last.
   819. BrianBrianson Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:23 PM (#5624997)
Sure, it's certainly possible that letting your human infrastructure weather out the war overseas is useful for rebuilding. Maybe it's even possible to organise them so you can come in, and install them, rather than flounder with no rebuilding plan (I want to draw a parallel to the Free French/Free Poles/etc, but I'm not sure how well it works without the pre-war history).

Otherwise, it presumes the war will be won by someone who'll welcome them back.
   820. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:23 PM (#5624998)
Stormy lawyer claims that Cohen's statements lift the NDA by virtue of him talking about it.

Not sure if that's true and pretty obvious that Daniels is itching for another payday to talk, but it should be fun nonetheless.

If nothing else, we'll at least get some amusing Melania SNL skits out of it, I'm sure.
   821. BrianBrianson Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5625000)
Kosovo was a conventional war against a conventional government. In your other two examples, your own approach fails. But rather than admit that the approach has a lot of weaknesses and works in (very) limited circumstances, you blame magic. It's not convincing.
   822. BrianBrianson Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5625003)
Of course, if your Brain Drain drains back - or sends back the profits of brain-draining, then it may be helpful. But that's essentially saying if your brain drain doesn't drain brain, it isn't harmful. Well.
   823. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5625004)
The Rob Porter/WH news story continues to get a lot of coverage except you'll never guess where.

Comes with screenshots of the "Peter Rabbit" food controversy, "How Kennedy Country Became Trump Country," the Obamas' "Shocking" portrait artist, "Climate Change Activists Say No to Having Kids," a Tucker Carlson staffer's on-air wedding announcement, how the media "Bashes Pence," and a "Growing Blight" on Obama's legacy... but no Porter screenshots, because the story was ignored.
   824. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5625005)
The "red line" comment was a rare moment of back bone from Obama. It did not last.


Obama never had much of a backbone when it came to anything politically difficult -- his "evolution" on gay marriage another good example.

Of course Obama was held to an incredibly high (and some would say racist) standard. And of course if you held Trump to the same standard the man wouldn't last a day.

FWIW (and it's not much) I don't think there's much good the US could do in Syria -- taking refugees and running some sorties wasn't a "bold" action but it wasn't a particularly risky one -- strategically as well as politically.
   825. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5625008)
The "red line" comment was a rare moment of back bone from Obama. It did not last.


Meh. It was a dumb comment, especially since he was not willing to back it up. That doesn't mean backing it up would have been a good idea though, but it does mean you don't say such things without being willing to back it up.

Given what we know know, since he was not willing to back it up, he would have been better off never saying it in the first place. it didn't help anything and ended up making him look foolish.

Note: The merits of having commitment to such a red line and saying so is a different topic IMO, and honestly I odn't know that there is enough certainty in any direction to have an informed discussion on that topic. We can of course, but I doubt it ends well.
   826. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5625009)
Obama never had much of a backbone when it came to anything politically difficult -- his "evolution" on gay marriage being another good example.


I know why you say that, but I think Obama is, was, and always will be a center-left technocrat with a strong desire to get everyone together and solve problems even if it means everyone compromises a bit. That is not really backbone or a lack thereof, it is his political style. And that is from someone often frustrated by that particular political style.

As a person, I think he has shown plenty of backbone. I don't think you go from where he started to being President of the US (to say nothing of first African American president) through a lack of intestinal fortitude.

EDIT: However, for your example of Gay Marriage, yeah, basically every politician was a giant coward on that front. I will give you that one.
   827. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5625010)
Another interim clearance WH staffer is out, but in this case - I think it's actually pretty stupid.

Basically, he was going to be denied clearance because he admitted to smoking pot 5 years ago. I'm well aware - from prior sojourns into the security clearance statutes earlier this week - are rather draconian on this sort of stuff, but this is just asinine dumb.

I mean, maybe if he had a heroin problem or something... but I smoked a joint 5 years ago? Please. I suppose under the blackmail theory - it's an item that could be held over him, but that's more a dumb product of Sessions-style devil weed nonsense...
   828. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:43 PM (#5625011)
That could just mean he's been arrested a lot.
Obligatory.
   829. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5625012)
Trump.."I'm totally opposed to domestic violence."

Wow. Way to regain the moral high ground.

He is the least qualified person to become president in my lifetime. The ridiculous presidency continues.
   830. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5625013)
Obama never had much of a backbone when it came to anything politically difficult -- his "evolution" on gay marriage being another good example.
1. People grow; sometimes they even learn from their mistakes.
2. Are you inferring that he would've been better off to continue to oppose gay marriage? Because...wow.
   831. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5625014)
He is the least qualified person to become president in my lifetime.


You are underselling it IMO.
   832. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5625015)
As a person, I think he has shown plenty of backbone. I don't think you go from where he started to being President of the US (to say nothing of first African American president) through a lack of intestinal fortitude.



Def agree with this. Despite all the he was only a "community organizer" BS you don't get where he got from his background without a whole lot of fortitude and hard work.

1. People grow; sometimes they even learn from their mistakes.
2. Are you inferring that he would've been better off to continue to oppose gay marriage? Because...wow.


I wasn't implying (hey now!) anything like that. You inferred it wrongly.

However: I don't think his political evolution on the issue came out of "personal growth" but from a very well tuned political weathervane -- he knew which way the wind was blowing. Obama, like any black pol, came up with the ministers -- and his position on gay marriage was no doubt a capitulation to their politics early in his career. When he went national and he saw the polling on gay marriage I think he made a calculation. Perhaps it coincided with a personal change of heart. I'm just a bit cynical.
   833. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5625016)
Meh. It was a dumb comment, especially since he was not willing to back it up.


It was a dumb comment because he SHOULDN'T have been willing to back it up.

Without getting into whatever the specific phrasing in foreign policy parlance is supposed to be - the threat should have basically been airstrikes, cruise missiles or both perhaps in increasingly significant scales.

The idea that it was ever feasible or a good idea for the US to lead some sort "we're gonna solve this - by force!" was always and remains stupid, so it was a mistake to clearly imply that was on the table. I've said before and I continue to believe that Syria is distinct and different from Libya - and I continue to approve of the action against Gaddafi.... but there were important differences in multiple ways.

Personally, I still believe Obama's worst foreign policy failure was actually Afghanistan... or more specifically, rather than the continual "fine, we'll try again" over and over and over. It was all well and good to insist that Afghanistan should have taken priority (indeed, should have been the SINGULAR) focus post-9/11 -- but by 2012-2014? We tried. It didn't work. Let's cut our losses.
   834. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:55 PM (#5625017)
It's sort of a conspiracy theory without the theory


Well, yeah. That's precisely how the conspiratorial mind operates. They spin up strawmen to hang their future conspiracy shadows on, in case one of their current tent poles collapses into reality. Conspiracy theorists are crazy people.
   835. BurlyBuehrle Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:58 PM (#5625019)

However: I don't think his political evolution on the issue came out of "personal growth" but from a very well tuned political weathervane -- he knew which way the wind was blowing. Obama, like any black pol, came up with the ministers -- and his position on gay marriage was no doubt a capitulation to their politics early in his career. When he went national and he saw the polling on gay marriage I think he made a calculation. Perhaps it coincided with a personal change of heart. I'm just a bit cynical.


Precisely. To add to this, Obama was actually for marriage equality when he was a lowly Illinois state senator. He then changed his mind to be for traditional marriage only as a United States Senator, only to flip back to his original position later, as President.

On this particular issue, Obama was as cynically political as you can get. My speculation is that (like many straight folks), he didn't have a personal stake in it, and so took whatever position was politically expedient in the moment.
   836. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:58 PM (#5625021)
You are underselling it IMO.


I've stepped in piles of dog #### more qualified for the Presidency than Trump.
   837. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: February 14, 2018 at 02:58 PM (#5625022)
Hey, another shooting connected to a high school! Good thing Florida has lots of people who legally own guns so that they could have prevented it...uh, I mean, in theory, they could have prevented it, so we're good!
   838. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5625024)
Shooting at Marjorie Stonemen Douglas High School in Parkland, FL. That's Anthony Rizzo's alma mater.
   839. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5625025)
On this particular issue, Obama was as cynically political as you can get. My speculation is that (like many straight folks), he didn't have a personal stake in it, and so took whatever position was politically expedient in the moment.


Like the vast majority of urbane Democrats, as well as urbane Republicans, Obama almost certainly supported gay marriage *personally.* He flip flopped politically because he had other policy priorities that he wasn't willing to let die on the vine (health care reform primarily) that he wasn't willing to lose support for over gay marriage. Yes, that's cynical politics. Or as we sometimes call it, just politics.
   840. Greg K Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:01 PM (#5625026)
None of that is why I am a skeptic though. Even if it turns out that human capital flight is a terrible thing for the source country, so what? It may sound harsh, but I think if people want to move, for whatever reason (well, within reason, obviously), they should be allowed to do so, even if it ultimately harms their country of origin. If said country wants its people to stay home or return, well it can get its act together and make it worthwhile. In the mean time those who see advantage in moving should feel free to do so, without economic scolds telling them they are betraying their homeland or whatever.

I think the "so what" is that nations don't exist in a vacuum. Syria being a dumpster fire isn't just a problem for the people living in Syria.

I think what we're seeing now is the ability of a disaster like Syria to spread violence and conflict in all directions. Accommodating refugees addresses the symptom (and in doing so may very well be the humanitarian thing to do). But the underlying cause still persists.

I'd also second zenbitz's point. Seeking asylum elsewhere doesn't necessarily mean a person isn't still contributing to the rebuilding their homeland.
   841. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:01 PM (#5625027)
Hey, another shooting connected to a high school! Good thing Florida has lots of people who legally own guns so that they could have prevented it


Before we jump to any conclusions, let's ascertain how close the shooter was to a sidewalk.
   842. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:02 PM (#5625028)
Obama, like any black pol, came up with the ministers -- and his position on gay marriage was no doubt a capitulation to their politics early in his career.
I read a few years ago that African-Americans are strongly conservative on social issues like abortion and marriage (gay and other issues). If so, that would be more of a cultural position than a political one.

I'm not defending Obama here (I have no inside info on what his thoughts were/are). But as someone the same age as him, I can tell you that the public views on gay marriage have taken a 180 degree turn in my lifetime - even the Catholic Church is much more forgiving of gays these days.
   843. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5625030)
I read a few years ago that African-Americans are strongly conservative on social issues like abortion and marriage (gay and other issues). If so, that would be more of a cultural position than a political one.


The core of southern black folks tend to be. They're a very Christian voting block, actually. But I'm not sure how deeply embedded a kid from Chicago by way of Hawai'i is going to be in that scene.
   844. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5625031)
However: I don't think his political evolution on the issue came out of "personal growth" but from a very well tuned political weathervane -- he knew which way the wind was blowing. Obama, like any black pol, came up with the ministers -- and his position on gay marriage was no doubt a capitulation to their politics early in his career. When he went national and he saw the polling on gay marriage I think he made a calculation. Perhaps it coincided with a personal change of heart. I'm just a bit cynical.


Meh - when has a President ever been on the leading edge of a broader cultural shift? Has there ever even been one? Slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights, you name it - Presidents have always been more inclined to be near the fulcrum - and frankly, the job somewhat expects and requires it. The President's job is never and has never been to be chief activist.

   845. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5625033)
The quote from Cohen re: paying off the porn girl that jumps out is this one:

"I will always protect Mr. Trump."

That's straight up mafiosa right there.
   846. DCA Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5625034)
Basically, he was going to be denied clearance because he admitted to smoking pot 5 years ago.

My experience on the periphery of the national security apparatus makes me highly skeptical of this. I know plenty of people who have - and admitted in the interview - more extensive prior drug use than this and were easily cleared. This sets off my "hired an illegal immigrant nanny" or "want to spend more time with my family" excuse meter. There's probably something else here.

EDIT: It's possible the something else is that Sessions and others "reefer madness" worldview is being catered to.
   847. dlf Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5625035)
Basically, he was going to be denied clearance because he admitted to smoking pot 5 years ago. I'm well aware - from prior sojourns into the security clearance statutes earlier this week - are rather draconian on this sort of stuff, but this is just asinine dumb.


A girl I dated while we were in law school had, before going for her graduate degree, held a security clearance while working for the NSA. Her tasks including reporting directly to members of the NSC on a couple of assignments including, once, providing real time translation from Russian to the elder Bush while he was Prez, so it was a pretty high level security clearance. During her background screening, she was asked if she had ever used drugs, answered truthfully to using pot, then while the agent was slowly and overly dramatically shaking his head back and forth, was asked if she had enjoyed it.
   848. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5625036)
Mouse to Bivens, #831:
He is the least qualified person to become president in my lifetime.

You are underselling it IMO.



He didn't say president of WHAT. Donald Trump is less qualified to run America than Sy Sperling, President of the Hair Club for Men. Trump is less dignified than President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho in the movie (now documentary) "Idiocracy." Trump is less capable than the President of the Selena Fan Club who shot and murdered Selena.
   849. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5625037)
No ######## country. No ######## country. We're the ######## country.
   850. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:10 PM (#5625038)
Meh - when has a President ever been on the leading edge of a broader cultural shift? Has there ever even been one? Slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights, you name it - Presidents have always been more inclined to be near the fulcrum - and frankly, the job somewhat expects and requires it. The President's job is never and has never been to be chief activist.


Quoted for truth. You don't get elected POTUS if you're on the cutting edge (unless you're running in the modern GOP, which has absolutely no standards for their candidates whatsoever.)
   851. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:10 PM (#5625039)
My experience on the periphery of the national security apparatus makes me highly skeptical of this. I know plenty of people who have - and admitted in the interview - more extensive prior drug use than this and were easily cleared. This sets off my "hired an illegal immigrant nanny" or "want to spend more time with my family" excuse meter. There's probably something else here.


Hmmm... Guess I hadn't thought of that.

So I'll amend to say if it's the truth and there is nothing else I think it's pretty stupid.
   852. BurlyBuehrle Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5625042)
Meh - when has a President ever been on the leading edge of a broader cultural shift? Has there ever even been one? Slavery, women's suffrage, civil rights, you name it - Presidents have always been more inclined to be near the fulcrum - and frankly, the job somewhat expects and requires it. The President's job is never and has never been to be chief activist.


That's an epic cop-out in every way imaginable. The President isn't supposed to be a moral leader? Isn't half your objection to the dip$hit in office now that he's so morally bankrupt as to be unfit to serve as POTUS? We'd all be better off if POTUS just tried to figure out the middle-of-the-road and never staked out a position on moral issues?

His motivations for changing his position multiple times matter.

And trying to boil it down to political trade-offs (see 839) is nice when we're talking about budget line items or something. This issue isn't quite a clean comparison, though. There are some issues where people don't appreciate being horse-traded.

Obama's flip-flopping on this issue, and his weak, transparently false explanation for it, is a great stain on his legacy. Mind you, I think Obama was a tremendous President. But there's no getting around this one. He was a gigantic turd on this issue. He won't be remembered as leading on this issue, which is sad because he could have been. As I said in 835, he was for marriage equality very early in his political career. On this one issue, he was a coward. That's regrettable.
   853. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:20 PM (#5625045)
I mean, maybe if he had a heroin problem or something... but I smoked a joint 5 years ago? Please. I suppose under the blackmail theory - it's an item that could be held over him, but that's more a dumb product of Sessions-style devil weed nonsense...
No, the whole point of documenting on your SF86 is that once you've done that, they can't blackmail you with it. If that was all he did, and he was forthcoming about it, he would have probably been cleared.

Agree with DCA, there's something else here.
   854. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5625049)
That's an epic cop-out in every way imaginable. The President isn't supposed to be a moral leader? Isn't half your objection to the dip$hit in office now that he's so morally bankrupt as to be unfit to serve as POTUS? We'd all be better off if POTUS just tried to figure out the middle-of-the-road and never staked out a position on moral issues?

His motivations for changing his position multiple times matter.

And trying to boil it down to political trade-offs (see 839) is nice when we're talking about budget line items or something. This issue isn't quite a clean comparison, though. There are some issues where people don't appreciate being horse-traded.

Obama's flip-flopping on this issue, and his weak, transparently false explanation for it, is a great stain on his legacy. Mind you, I think Obama was a tremendous President. But there's no getting around this one. He was a gigantic turd on this issue. He won't be remembered as leading on this issue, which is sad because he could have been. As I said in 835, he was for marriage equality very early in his political career. On this one issue, he was a coward. That's regrettable.


And that's an overstatement of what morality means.

Otherwise, we've never had a President with any kind of morality ever... nor are we likely to.

Slavery was immoral - and the idea that it was immoral was hardly nonexistent pre-Civil War... yet - every President up to and including the one who ultimately saw its demise was nowhere near the cutting edge of ending the practice.

Ditto the lack of women lacking the right to vote.

As a progressive, especially on social/cultural issues - yes... I certainly want and expect my Presidents to be left of the fulcrum. I also expect them to make common cause when the fulcrum is clearly shifting.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not even trying to backdoor praise Obama on gay marriage. He was by an large a spectator. At absolute best, when society was shifting to where it clearly shifting - he MeToo'ed his way to help jumping on the final nail.

In relative terms - I'd put even this failing well behind plenty of others... FDR's civil rights legacy was worse - his tradeoffs much more callous and inexcusable (in a narrow, specific sense).

   855. Traderdave Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5625052)
I don't have much love for Obama's flippy floppy on gay marriage either, but he gets points for coming out in favor ahead of the '12 campaign and before the Supremes ruled in favor of it.
   856. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:34 PM (#5625054)
Legally, Barack Obama's own mother would still have been deemed a miscegenating whore in several states when Obama was in first grade. If that didn't inspire him, what could?
   857. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5625057)
####, this school shooting looks bad. Like maybe 20 dead and 50 injured bad. Ugh. Hoping for the best but reports not encouraging.
   858. BurlyBuehrle Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5625059)
I appreciate 854 and 855.

If Sandy Hook and Las Vegas didn't lead to substantive policy change, there's no reason to think this shooting will matter at all. I say that with profound sadness.
   859. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5625062)
####, this school shooting looks bad. Like maybe 20 dead and 50 injured bad. Ugh. Hoping for the best but reports not encouraging.

I just googled that school, and FWIW in 2016 they were Baseball America's High School Team of the Year.
   860. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5625064)
If Sandy Hook and Las Vegas didn't lead to substantive policy change, there's no reason to think this shooting will matter at all. I say that with profound sadness.


It's worse than sadness - the only thing that's really changed is an increase in the velocity to end up at the "we need MORE guns" chapter.
   861. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5625068)
I just googled that school, and FWIW in 2016 they were Baseball America's High School Team of the Year.


As I said, Anthony Rizzo's alma mater.
   862. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5625072)
Book excerpt from Vanity Fair:
A month before the inauguration, [Reince Priebus] had been invited to lunch by Barack Obama’s outgoing chief of staff, Denis McDonough... joined by 10 chiefs, Republicans and Democrats, in his West Wing office. And as they gathered around a long table, none doubted the enormity of the challenge facing Priebus. “We wanted to help Reince in any way we could,” said Jack Watson, who served President Jimmy Carter. “But I don’t think there was a chief in the room that thought he was going to be able to do the job, given Trump as his president.” Most of the former chiefs believed Trump was intellectually and temperamentally unfit for office—and few thought Priebus could rein him in or tell him hard truths. “We were thinking, God bless him. Godspeed. Good luck,” said Watson. “But he doesn’t have a prayer.” [One Republican in attendance said] ...“[Priebus] seemed much too relaxed about being able to navigate a difficult job. I think he struck a lot of us as clueless.” Another was even more blunt about Priebus’s nonchalance: “He was approaching the job like it was some combination of personal aide and cruise director.”

...There was another ominous sign. Obama’s staff had spent months preparing voluminous transition briefs, thick binders designed to help the next administration get up to speed on subjects ranging from Iran to Cuba to climate change. Every previous incoming team had studied such volumes with care. But as the inauguration drew near, McDonough realized that the binders had not even been opened: “All the paperwork, all the briefings that had been prepared for their transition team, went unused,” he said. “Unread. Unreviewed.”

...In late October 2017, almost three months after he resigned as chief of staff, Priebus met me for dinner... “Take everything you’ve heard and multiply it by 50,” Priebus said.

...At first Priebus thought he had succeeded in wresting Trump’s phone from him. “I talked about the security threat of having your own cell in the West Wing and got the Secret Service to go along with me to mothball his phone.” Priebus had managed to silence one device. But it turned out Trump had another.

...“Priebus was told to get Sessions’s resignation flat out,” said a White House insider. “The president told him, ‘Don’t give me any bullshit. Don’t try to slow me down like you always do. Get the resignation of Jeff Sessions.’ ”

...When it came to Mueller’s investigation, Priebus insisted he personally had nothing to worry about. But Bannon warned that the hounds had been loosed. “You’ve got Mueller’s team, which has got 19 killers who are all experts in wire fraud, money-laundering, and tax evasion,” Bannon said. “Doesn’t sound like collusion to me. But they’ve got unlimited budgets and subpoena power. And here’s what we’ve got on our side: two guys who’ve got legal pads and Post-Its. “It’s like [certain members of the administration think that] no one took down the Gambino family. Mueller’s doing a roll-up just like he did with the Gambinos.”
   863. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5625073)
Shooting at Marjorie Stonemen Douglas High School in Parkland, FL. That's Anthony Rizzo's alma mater.


I really think it's too soon to say that he's involved.
   864. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5625077)
At least from first reports the shooter wasn't likely a Muslim.** Red haired and a Jr. ROTC member is all I've seen so far to describe him.

Police believe they know who the gunman is and have described him as a student and member of the JROTC program. Authorities said he was wearing a hoodie and has red hair.

** And anyone who thinks this doesn't matter must have been living on Mars for the past 17 years.
   865. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5625079)
At least from first reports the shooter wasn't likely a Muslim.**


I'm sure your cheerleading of this will bring great comfort to the dead kids and their families.
   866. ^^^ Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:15 PM (#5625080)
Gun culture has metastasized. While the availability and prevalence of guns isn't necessarily a driver of gun culture, in the US it very much is. Switzerland has a lot of guns, but it has nothing like the US's gun culture.

I think we're at a point with social media and groupthink that every cultural niche will tend to become a more extreme manifestation of itself over time. Look at Trump Derangement Syndrome, for example.

   867. gef the talking mongoose, amorphous lefty blob Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:16 PM (#5625081)
At least from first reports the shooter wasn't likely a Muslim.** Red haired and a Jr. ROTC member is all I've seen so far to describe him.


He could be gay, though.
   868. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5625083)
...At first Priebus thought he had succeeded in wresting Trump’s phone from him. “I talked about the security threat of having your own cell in the West Wing and got the Secret Service to go along with me to mothball his phone.” Priebus had managed to silence one device. But it turned out Trump had another.


Looks like Devin Nunes has a new investigation to start.

He could be gay, though.


I've already read some speculation this is a "MRA" attack on Valentine's Day, Elliot Rodger style.
   869. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:21 PM (#5625085)
   870. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:22 PM (#5625086)
Book excerpt from Vanity Fair:


Ha!

I wish Reincey the best of luck with his "Here's how it's all worse than you can imagine" with a but "I still love you Donald, I am forever your loyal servant". While I suppose F&F wasn't technically Bannon's book, he should ask Sloppy Steve how that little gambit plays out.

Whatever.

I wish all the Trumpublicans best of luck with their attempts at walking the "But I was one of the good ones! But also, please don't hurt me Dear Leader worshippers!" tightrope. If nothing else, such foolishness is the perfect endeavor for people of their talents, merit, and character.
   871. Lassus Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:22 PM (#5625087)
Like maybe 20 dead and 50 injured bad. Ugh. Hoping for the best but reports not encouraging.

Latest reports appear mercifully to be not this dire, although it seems too early for anything accurate, just "multiple fatalities" based on an eyewitness report.
   872. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:26 PM (#5625089)
More from that Vanity Fair excerpt (I continue to tell you guys that Bannon is pretty smart politically):

While Priebus and Bannon watched the fiasco explode as the pundits excoriated the Trump White House on every cable news show, Kushner did a slow burn. He was livid, furious that the communications team could not defend Comey’s firing. Bannon blew his stack. “There’s not a ####### thing you can do to sell this!,” he shouted at Kushner. “Nobody can sell this! P. T. Barnum couldn’t sell this! People aren’t stupid! This is a terrible, stupid decision that’s going to have massive implications. It may have shortened Trump’s presidency—and it’s because of you, Jared Kushner!”


According to the book, Kushner was one of the main supporters of firing Comey.
   873. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5625091)
According to the book, Kushner was one of the main supporters of firing Comey.


Comey has done his level best to justify the firing since the firing, with his decision to become a leaker and his undignified tweets.

He's really damaged his reputation as a professional, which calls into question whether his performance on the job was.
   874. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:29 PM (#5625092)
his undignified tweets.


Hey, if that's all it takes to justify a DC firing I'm all in.
   875. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5625093)
According to the book, Kushner was one of the main supporters of firing Comey.


According to multiple books and contemporaneous reporting in the weeks/months following.
   876. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5625094)
Deducing ahead of time that firing the FBI Director to shut down an investigation isn't a shrewd move... does that really demonstrate extraordinary political intelligence?

What about live-tweeting taking a runny crap on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, how might that play with suburban women?
   877. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5625095)
his undignified tweets.


Hey, if that's all it takes to justify a DC firing I'm all in.


Sign me up, too.
   878. ^^^ Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:31 PM (#5625096)
Firing the FBI Director doesn't (and didn't) "shut down" any investigation. More PretendVille pretending.
   879. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5625098)
Knowing ahead of time that firing the FBI Director to shut down an investigation isn't a shrewd move... does that really demonstrate extraordinary political intelligence?


No one sane could believe that firing the FBI director would shut down any investigation.

The notion is utterly preposterous.
   880. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5625099)
Firing the FBI Director doesn't "shut down" any investigation.


Exactly why it was so stupid, stupid.


No one sane could believe that firing the FBI director would shut down any investigation.


Show some respect; that's President No One Sane to you.
   881. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5625101)
Exactly why it was so stupid, stupid.


Uh huh.

I doubt you realize how ridiculous you sound.
   882. ^^^ Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5625102)
Exactly why it was so stupid, stupid.


Firing incompetent people isn't stupid, Honeyman-Scott.
   883. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5625103)
Deducing ahead of time that firing the FBI Director to shut down an investigation isn't a shrewd move... does that really demonstrate extraordinary political intelligence?


Well in this WH, sure. Now that Bannon is gone it seems mostly Miller that has the alt-right influence but I don't think Miller is nearly the salesman for this crap that Bannon is.
   884. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5625104)
He's really damaged his reputation as a professional, which calls into question whether his performance on the job was.


Funny how nobody has corroborated anything of the sort since... no 'sources say', no 'good riddance', no nothing. But then - I suppose that's because Deep State, right?

Or wait - there ARE loads of folks in DOJ/FBI who feel this way, but they're professional to provide comment cover to the Orange... and that's what makes them True Professionals, not Deep State, right?

Or maybe... just maybe it's actually more simple? That the fact that it is solely Trump and the hardcore Trumpkins calling his fitness into question means that it might actually be just Trump and the Trumpkins who are full of the most ridiculous sort of ####?
   885. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:38 PM (#5625105)
Or maybe... just maybe it's actually more simple? That the fact that it is solely Trump and the hardcore Trumpkins calling his fitness into question means that it might actually be just Trump and the Trumpkins who are full of the most ridiculous sort of ####?


Let me quote Rinsed Penis:

"whatever you think -- multiply it by 50".
   886. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:38 PM (#5625106)
This could get interesting - BuzzFeed Suing DNC Over Russian Dossier Issues:
BuzzFeed is taking the Democratic National Committee to court in an attempt to compel it to turn over information it believes will bolster its defense against Aleksej Gubarev, a Russian business magnate who says he was libeled in the dossier when it tied him to the Russians’ alleged hacking of the D.N.C.’s e-mail servers. In a nutshell: BuzzFeed believes the D.N.C. has information that could show a link between Gubarev and the e-mail hacking, which would undercut his libel claim. “We’re asking a federal court to force the D.N.C. to follow the law and allow BuzzFeed to fully defend its First Amendment rights,” a BuzzFeed spokesperson wrote in an e-mail.

BuzzFeed’s motion asserts that the D.N.C., citing privacy concerns, has been unwilling to comply with a subpoena for that information. As BuzzFeed’s lawyers argue: “The material requested from the D.N.C.—which amounts only to the digital remnants left by the Russian state operatives who hacked their systems—is highly relevant to Defendants’ ability to establish the truth of the allegedly defamatory claims about them in the Dossier. And the D.N.C. has identified neither privilege nor burden that would prevent them from complying with the Subpoena.” In legal papers, the D.N.C. has argued that disclosing the digital signatures, supposedly left by the Russia-directed hacking organizations known as Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear, would inevitably expose details of the D.N.C.’s information systems, possibly making them more vulnerable to another hack.

The DNC didn't cooperate with the FBI, either, refusing to provide access to its computer servers. It's almost like they might be trying to hide something.
   887. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5625108)
No one sane could believe that firing the FBI director would shut down any investigation.


Kind of, you know... the point.
   888. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:40 PM (#5625109)
I doubt you realize how ridiculous you sound.


As ridiculous as Donald Trump when he went on television to say, "When I decided to just do it [fire Comey], I said to myself, I said: ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story"? Or just a smidge less?

And in all candor I gotta tell you, I'm underwhelmed by the ever-growing list of things you find ridiculous, hysterical or silly.
   889. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5625111)
Kind of, you know... the point.


Shhhh. Come on. Don't holster-block the conversation. We can get another half dozen of these posts out of 'em.
   890. ^^^ Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5625112)
Kind of, you know... the point.


Then Trump couldn't have "obstructed justice" by doing it.

You people can't even keep your loony tunes "theories" straight.
   891. ^^^ Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5625113)
As ridiculous as Donald Trump when he went on television to say, "When I decided to just do it [fire Comey], I said to myself, I said: ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story"? Or just a smidge less?


Way more.
   892. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5625114)
No one sane could believe that firing the FBI director would shut down any investigation.

Kind of, you know... the point.


I quite agree. That's why I made it.
   893. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5625119)
I doubt you realize how ridiculous you sound.


This reminds of the Arrested Development season (1?) storyline with the G.O.B./Michael/Marta love triangle and the hermanos' inability to grasp it.
   894. Zonk, Genius of the Stables Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5625121)
I quite agree. That's why I made it.


Brother? Marta's in love with me! G.O.B.! The brother!
   895. ^^^ Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5625122)
This reminds of the Arrested Development season (1?) storyline with the G.O.B./Michael/Marta love triangle and the hermanos' inability to grasp it.


Oh, no -- we "grasp it" perfectly. That's kind of your problem here.

This is much like the Nunes memo situation whereby you and yours have come up with the "idea" that if we just call it a dud, it will therefore be a dud.
   896. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5625123)
Kind of, you know... the point.

I quite agree. That's why I made it.


This reminds of the Arrested Development season (1?) storyline with the G.O.B./Michael/Marta love triangle and the hermanos' inability to grasp it.



It's almost as if I didn't type "isn't a shrewd move" (#876). It's almost as if the Steve Bannon "Vanity Fair" excerpt I was responding to was posted in invisible ink (#872). I'm afraid to look at a photograph of myself; it might be fading, "Back to the Future" style.
   897. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5625124)

Firing incompetent people isn't stupid, Honeyman-Scott.
Explains why SBB is collecting unemployment.
   898. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5625126)
This is much like the Nunes memo situation whereby you and yours have come up with the "idea" that if we just call it a dud, it will therefore be a dud.


No, actually those are two very different dynamics. You're only perceiving a similarity because you're so wrong twice.
   899. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5625127)
Trump has fired a lot of his own appointees in his 1st year in office. Incompetence? Whose?
   900. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 14, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5625128)

- BuzzFeed Suing DNC Over Russian Dossier Issues:
Bad headline. Seeking to enforce a subpoena is not "suing" anyone.
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