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Monday, March 12, 2018

OTP 12 March 2018: Trevor Bauer thinks Major League Baseball trying to silence him on Twitter

Last February, Bauer made waves on Twitter when he argued over politics with his followers. He tweeted that almost all of the Indians supported Donald Trump and told another user they were “welcome to quit life.”

Bauer has been much calmer as of late and that could be because MLB stepped in. The 27-year-old hasn’t tweeted that much this offseason and when he does it’s been about things like the Olympics and his training.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 12, 2018 at 08:17 AM | 1718 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5637226)
My GF has a memory foam. For certain, um, activities it takes a bit of getting used to but other than that it is pretty darn good. Not sure if it is worth the price. I didn't buy it so I don't know the exact price but I recall from conversations it was pretty expensive. The one con that doesn't go away is that the firmness of the bed fluctuates based on the temperature. So on cold nights it will be hard as a rock until your body warms it up.


Yeah - I've read that some... activities... don't work so well on a memory foam. Without turning it into OT-XXX, is it really "getting used to" or does it just not... work well?
   202. Lassus Posted: March 13, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5637228)
My GF is considering getting a memory foam specifically for us for (her) back problems. I'm concerned that I will hate it. (For sleeping.)
   203. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 13, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5637229)
Anyone have any thoughts on mattress purchases? I had planned to wait until moving this June, but I'm tired of the tired one I try to sleep on.


I got a Leesa mattress online (I looked at Casper and some other ones and reviews led me to Leesa). I have had it 2 years and it is OK. It has some odd features (especially at the edges, because of support and the material used), but overall it is pretty good. The ordering and installation was a snap. I can give you a more detailed review off line if you care, but overall I would give it a B+.
   204. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5637230)
What we have is a tempurpedic and I've never had an issue in terms of comfortability on it. It might just be the temps she likes but it does seem to get a little hot under the covers during the summer and a little cold in the winter and at times when you blanket it up in the winter you'll wake up a little hot as well.
   205. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5637231)
In a more enlightened world, you'd think they'd have showrooms where you can draw a curtain and an attractive specialist in "one of the important things you do on a mattress" would let you give it a test drive, complete with tips and methods.
   206. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5637232)
Nobody's going to start him from conferring most favored nation trading status on NK in exchange for a Trump hotel in Pyongyang.

I'm assuming you meant "stop" rather than "start". Nobody needs to push Donald Trump into making mega-corrupt personal deals.
   207. DavidFoss Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5637233)
In a more enlightened world, you'd think they'd have showrooms where you can draw a curtain and an attractive specialist in "one of the important things you do on a mattress" would let you give it a test drive, complete with tips and methods.

For science!
   208. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5637234)


Yeah - I've read that some... activities... don't work so well on a memory foam. Without turning it into OT-XXX, is it really "getting used to" or does it just not... work well?


I think you learn to adjust and alter positions. The tempurpedic doesn't have any bounce so it kind of earths any energy being put on it instead of bouncing it back up. That never goes away.
   209. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5637235)
Just out of curiosity, when was the last time JE and/or Ray were assuring us that rumors of Tillerson's imminent departure were all nothing but fake news?
   210. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5637237)
Amee Vanderpool on Twitter:
➞Rex Tillerson out
➞Mike Pompeo in
➞Gina Haspel named CIA director
➞Katrina Pierson's baaaaack
➞Trump personal assistant John McEntee is fired AND escorted out of WH
➞Roger Stone WAS in contact with Assange
➞HUGE vote in #PA18

It's not even 10am.

Zonk, #183:
If [Tillerson] is to distract from the PA-18 results tonight, I don't know WHAT he's gonna do in November.



Sign off on the Stormy Daniels dick pics.
   211. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5637238)
In a more enlightened world, you'd think they'd have showrooms where you can draw a curtain and an attractive specialist in "one of the important things you do on a mattress" would let you give it a test drive, complete with tips and methods.

And throw on a nice slow groove song.
   212. BDC Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:12 AM (#5637239)
if you're used to sitting on the edge of your mattresses, it's not as comfortable

Fortunately nobody sits on the edge of mattresses much except private eyes in undershirts with three-quarters-empty bottles of Irish whiskey.
   213. Jason Dean Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5637240)
Check out nature, red in tooth and claw. It isn't an Edenic state.


Scott dings my B.S. meter. There was never an Eden.



From the horse's mouth

equo ne credite, Teucri!

   214. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5637241)
In a more enlightened world, you'd think they'd have showrooms where you can draw a curtain and an attractive specialist in "one of the important things you do on a mattress" would let you give it a test drive, complete with tips and methods.

And throw on a nice slow groove song


I ain’t got time for that ####, just put on ACDC’s “Giving the Dog a Bone” and back off.
   215. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5637243)
➞Rex Tillerson out
➞Mike Pompeo in
➞Gina Haspel named CIA director
➞Katrina Pierson's baaaaack
➞Trump personal assistant John McEntee is fired AND escorted out of WH
➞Roger Stone WAS in contact with Assange
➞HUGE vote in #PA18

It's not even 10am.
I was just thinking last night as I was falling asleep last night: Huh, Trump didn't do anything deranged make any notable news today.
   216. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5637244)
Who's next? Kelly? On what day does Conway get named Chief of Staff?
   217. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5637245)
YR, if you're backing off, you're not doing it right.
   218. BrianBrianson Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5637246)
Who's next? Kelly?


Who's left?
   219. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5637248)
Who's left?


Jared and Ivanka.
   220. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5637250)
Who's next? Kelly?

Melania. The age difference is just too much. The age difference between Melania and the next Mrs. Trump.
   221. Traderdave Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5637251)
Can a First Lady file for divorce against a sitting president?
   222. Lassus Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5637253)
Can a First Lady file for divorce against a sitting president?

WHERE'S THE DERSH?
   223. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5637254)
➞Gina Haspel named CIA director

Before that one slips under the radar..... This article dates from 2017, but it's just as relevant today. Obviously Miz Haspel is no 97-pound weakling.

New C.I.A. Deputy Director, Gina Haspel, Had Leading Role in Torture

WASHINGTON — As a clandestine officer at the Central Intelligence Agency in 2002, Gina Haspel oversaw the torture of two terrorism suspects and later took part in an order to destroy videotapes documenting their brutal interrogations at a secret prison in Thailand.

On Thursday, Ms. Haspel was named the deputy director of the C.I.A.

The elevation of Ms. Haspel, a veteran widely respected among her colleagues, to the No. 2 job at the C.I.A. was a rare public signal of how, under the Trump administration, the agency is being led by officials who appear to take a far kinder view of one of its darker chapters than their immediate predecessors.

Over the past eight years, C.I.A. leaders defended dozens of agency personnel who had taken part in the now-banned torture program, even as they vowed never to resume the same harsh interrogation methods. But President Trump has said repeatedly that he thinks torture works. And the new C.I.A. chief, Mike Pompeo, has said that waterboarding and other techniques do not even constitute torture, and praised as “patriots” those who used such methods in the early days of the fight against Al Qaeda.

Ms. Haspel, who has spent most of her career undercover, would certainly fall within Mr. Pompeo’s description. She played a direct role in the C.I.A.’s “extraordinary rendition program,” under which captured militants were handed to foreign governments and held at secret facilities, where they were tortured by agency personnel.

The C.I.A.’s first overseas detention site was in Thailand. It was run by Ms. Haspel, who oversaw the brutal interrogations of two detainees, Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.

Mr. Zubaydah alone was waterboarded 83 times in a single month, had his head repeatedly slammed into walls and endured other harsh methods before interrogators decided he had no useful information to provide.

The sessions were videotaped and the recordings stored in a safe at the C.I.A. station in Thailand until 2005, when they were ordered destroyed. By then, Ms. Haspel was serving at C.I.A. headquarters, and it was her name that was on the cable carrying the destruction orders.

The agency maintains that the decision to destroy the recordings was made by Ms. Haspel’s boss at the time, Jose Rodriguez, who was the head of the C.I.A.’s clandestine service.

But years later, when the C.I.A. wanted to name Ms. Haspel to run clandestine operations, Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, then the senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, blocked the promotion over Ms. Haspel’s role in the interrogation program and the destruction of the tapes....

ONLY THE BEST PEOPLE!
   224. BDC Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5637255)
Can a First Lady file for divorce against a sitting president?

Yes. She gets the White House, and he will have to move into the apartment above Ben Carson's garage.
   225. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5637256)
Donald Trump:
THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

House Intelligence Committee member Tom Rooney (R):
"I certainly think there's evidence of that [Russia interfering to help their preferred candidate, Trump]. ...We've gone completely off the rails, and now we’re a political forum for people to leak information to drive the day’s news. ...We've lost all credibility, and we’re going to issue probably two different reports."

Former CIA deputy director of the Counterterrorist Center Phil Mudd (worked under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama):
"Can you tell me why? Why they say that? [That Russia did not interfere to support Trump] They [House Republicans] just told us that they conducted an investigation including interviews, where the interviewees chose not to answer questions. How the heck can they say they got to the bottom of this? ...You give me one sentence where somebody spoke about how they’re going to protect us, instead of saying this is why the other party did something wrong. If this report were written on toilet paper, I wouldn’t stoop to wipe my ass with it."
   226. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:37 AM (#5637259)
And wait, there's more!

Trump fires White House assistant John McEntee, who promptly rejoins Trump’s campaign
President Trump has fired his White House personal assistant John McEntee, who had been with the president since early in his campaign, an administration official confirmed Tuesday. The president's campaign then announced McEntee will rejoin the campaign as a senior adviser of operations.

McEntee is the latest in a series of departures by West Wing officials, including communications director Hope Hicks and staff secretary Rob Porter. It was not clear why McEntee was let go. The Wall Street Journal first reported on the firing, citing an unspecified security issue.

Trump has had a record rate of turnover in his senior staff. Before McEntee's departure, 43 percent of the president's executive staff had left in the first 13½ months. McEntee's departure was overshadowed by the news that Trump fired Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and nominated CIA Director Mike Pompeo to replace him. Gina Haspel — the deputy director at the CIA — will succeed Pompeo at the CIA, becoming the first woman to run the spy agency, if confirmed....


"The president isn't here to create disorder, he's here to preserve disorder."

(With apologies to Mayor Richard J. Daley)
   227. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5637260)
As a clandestine officer at the Central Intelligence Agency in 2002, Gina Haspel oversaw the torture of two terrorism suspects

Can the Democrats use her to conduct their House Investigation Committee interviews next January with Bannon, Lewandowski and Hicks?
   228. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:48 AM (#5637265)
Can a First Lady file for divorce against a sitting president?

Yes. She gets the White House, and he will have to move into the apartment above Ben Carson's garage.


At least there will be some nice furniture in the garage.


Actually, I think Trump will kick Pence out of the Naval Observatory. And Pence will thank him for the opportunity.
   229. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5637274)
Can a First Lady file for divorce against a sitting president?

Yes. She gets the White House, and he will have to move into the apartment above Ben Carson's garage.
Eight or so years ago the president of the University of Chicago was discovered canoodling with a member of the faculty. He and his wife separated, and for a while the university president lived in an off-campus condo while the university president's (soon to be ex-) wife lived in the on-campus presidential mansion. There's precedent!
   230. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5637277)
So Trump trots out and announces that Mike Pompeo is the new SoS, and says he and Tillerson disagreed on "some things". "Like?" He cited the Iran deal, and nothing else.

Does anyone here but Juan believe him?
   231. dlf Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5637279)
Katrina Pierson's baaaaack


At the Love Shack, baby.
   232. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5637280)
At the Love Shack, baby.


Trump is not a shiny happy person. Maybe a shiny orange person. Maybe not really a person?
   233. Omineca Greg Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5637285)
And throw on a nice slow groove song.

Or you could try something a little more Ominecan style.

Don't do Lou Reed's The Bed though, real mood killer.

I have a memory foam mattress. It's great for sleeping, and it's fine for other stuff too, like McCoy says it's not bouncy, but I don't think that's particularly important. It's not like when we go travelling I think, "Finally, a bouncy mattress!" To belabour the obvious, it's really the partner, not the mattress.
   234. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5637286)
Don't do Lou Reed's The Bed though, real mood killer.


There are not many good Velvet Underground lovemakin' tunes. From my perspective anyhow :)


   235. Jack Keefe Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5637287)
Any ways Al a Bed is for Snoozing when you are Bushed. For all that boy and girl stuff you can use the Floor or the Tub or maybe the Kitchen Table Al. Like in Bull Durum when Kevin Costco wants to express his Esteem for Suzanne Somerdon he just knocks over the Rice Crispies and sunly they are puforming the Marital Act.

Though I shold not say Boy and Girl Stuff Al. Ozzie Guillen all ways used to half to remind us that there is more than two Genders and more than One Form of Congress. It could be boy and boy or Girl and Girl or Trans and Cis or Donald Rump and Stormy Dan Yells.
   236. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5637288)
So Trump trots out and announces that Mike Pompeo is the new SoS, and says he and Tillerson disagreed on "some things". "Like?" He cited the Iran deal, and nothing else.
Possibly Russia?
Trump said he would speak with British Prime Minister Theresa May on Tuesday about the poisoning.

"As soon as we get the facts straight, if we agree with them, we will condemn Russia or whoever it may be," he said.

In a statement released by the State Department on Monday evening, Tillerson called Russia "an irresponsible force of instability in the world, acting with open disregard for the sovereignty of other states and the life of their citizens."
link
careful, dude, that is NOT something a Friend of Russia says. Russia might call and take their Order back.

At the press conference yesterday, Sanders went to some lengths to avoid blaming Russia:
British officials have determined that Sergei Skripal, 66, and his 33-year-old daughter, Yulia, were poisoned with a nerve agent developed in Russia. British Prime Minister Theresa May announced Monday that it was “highly likely” that Russia was responsible for the attack. “We must now stand ready to take extensive measures,” May said.

But when asked ― three times ― at a White House press briefing about Russia’s link to the poisoning or any possible repercussions for the country from the U.S., Sanders carefully did not say “Russia” — or otherwise address who may have been responsible for the attack. She characterized it as an “indiscriminate” attack, although British authorities have concluded that Skripal was clearly targeted.
If you are a President with a vested interest in pleasing Putin, and your SoS goes loose cannon and fires off a statement critical of Russia, what do you do? So embarrassing.
The White House’s extreme reluctance to criticize Russia — ever — has raised increasing concerns, particularly as special counsel Robert Mueller investigates possible collusion by Donald Trump’s campaign in the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. Early this month, Putin boasted of his nation’s nuclear capabilities to strike anywhere in the world. A simulated video presented by Putin appeared to depict next-generation nuclear missiles striking Florida. Yet Trump has yet to respond and chose instead to attack actor Alec Baldwin on Twitter the following day.
   237. Traderdave Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5637291)
Anyone notice that the usual Trumpkins are silent this morning?

   238. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5637292)
"As soon as we get the facts straight, if we agree with them we will condemn Russia or whoever it may be,"
That's a very Trumpesque statement, there.

The facts don't matter as much as whether we agree with them or not.
   239. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5637294)
Anyone notice that the usual Trumpkins are silent this morning?
Waiting for Outnumbered to air. These talking points need to be coordinated, you know.
   240. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5637295)
What a shitshow.
   241. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5637296)
Any ways Al a Bed is for Snoozing when you are Bushed. For all that boy and girl stuff you can use the Floor or the Tub or maybe the Kitchen Table Al. Like in Bull Durum when Kevin Costco wants to express his Esteem for Suzanne Somerdon he just knocks over the Rice Crispies and sunly they are puforming the Marital Act.

Though I shold not say Boy and Girl Stuff Al. Ozzie Guillen all ways used to half to remind us that there is more than two Genders and more than One Form of Congress. It could be boy and boy or Girl and Girl or Trans and Cis or Donald Rump and Stormy Dan Yells.


Applause.
   242. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5637297)
Anyone notice that the usual Trumpkins are silent this morning?


Even Trumpkins have lives. I mean, I assume so anyway.
   243. Spahn Insane Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5637298)
Anyone notice that the usual Trumpkins are silent this morning?

To consider this noteworthy is a clear sign of TDS (film at 11); all sane liberals know this. Correlating recent events with the Trumpkins' silence is very much not a good look, with citation to that effect very much needed; why you would do this is an exercise very much left to the reader.
   244. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5637301)
If you are a President with a vested interest in pleasing Putin,
It bears clarifying that I (at least) am among those who don't think, and have never thought, Trump directly canoodled with any Russians or is "beholden" to them in any quid pro quo sense. My hope is kept alive thinking that Mueller will present evidence of flunkies (Manafort, Flynn, maybe Jared and Jr, who knows) doing naughty stuff, and the big question will be What Trump Knew and When He Knew It.

Trump being reticent about criticizing Russia (or China, or the Philippines) is more due to personal admiration for their respective autocrats than anything else.
   245. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5637302)
and says he and Tillerson disagreed on "some things".

Tillerson thinks that Trump is a f'ing moron and Trump think he is a genius.
   246. . Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5637306)
You can't even manage to escape mania when you're specifically trying to.


??
   247. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5637307)
Awesome typos....


Sean Spicer
‏Verified account @seanspicer

Sean Spicer Retweeted Donald J. Trump

Secretary Tillerson is a true patriot that has severed our nation well. Thank you for serving. Mike Pompeo will be an outstanding Secretary of State - the Senate should act swiftly to confirm him
   248. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5637311)
Moving Pompeo to SecState and nominating Haspel for CIA is a strong move to return the US to the realms of torturing nations.
   249. . Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5637313)
To consider this noteworthy is a clear sign of TDS (film at 11); all sane liberals know this.


The markets certainly don't care.
   250. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5637315)
More awesome

The State Department said that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was informed of his own firing by President Donald Trump's Tuesday morning tweet announcing the news.
   251. . Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5637316)
The White House’s extreme reluctance to criticize Russia — ever — has raised increasing concerns, particularly as special counsel Robert Mueller investigates possible collusion by Donald Trump’s campaign in the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 presidential election.


LOL.

We blew up a bunch of their soldiers.
   252. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5637317)
Moving Pompeo to SecState and nominating Haspel for CIA is a strong move to return the US to the realms of torturing nations.
Another campaign promise, fulfilled!

I can't remember though, was that one we were supposed to take seriously?
   253. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5637318)
We blew up a bunch of their soldiers mercenaries.
   254. Spahn Insane Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5637320)
The markets certainly don't care.

Ah, there's one...
   255. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5637322)
Anyone notice that the usual Trumpkins are silent this morning?


LOL

TDS

Decline

Bears

Beets

Battlestar Galactica
   256. DavidFoss Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5637325)
The State Department said that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was informed of his own firing by President Donald Trump's Tuesday morning tweet announcing the news.

And now they just fired the aide who stated this because he contradicted the WH version of events.
   257. Jason Dean Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5637328)
There are not many good Velvet Underground lovemakin' tunes.


Oh! Sweet Nuttin'
   258. canadian shield Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5637329)
Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked
   259. zenbitz Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5637331)
Sorry I am still stuck on cold dark matter. If it is 85% of the mass of the universe, is our solar system in some kind of dark matter vacuum bubble? Or am I just underestimating the volume of space between stars?

   260. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5637332)
Oh! Sweet Nuttin'


That is...something. Not gonna lie I laughed out loud.
   261. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5637334)
We blew up a bunch of their mercenaries.


And if there is one thing we absolutely know, it is how much Putin cares about each and every Russian life. It is practically sacred to him in fact.
   262. Jason Dean Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5637335)
...a strong move to return the US to the realms of torturing nations.


Same As It Ever Was
   263. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5637336)
Sorry I am still stuck on cold dark matter. If it is 85% of the mass of the universe, is our solar system in some kind of dark matter vacuum bubble? Or am I just underestimating the volume of space between stars?


Just because we have not seen it on Earth or in the solar system doesn't mean it is not here. That is why they call it "dark". From what I understand - total amateur, I just follow it on the internet - they really are not sure what it is, but they have an OK handle on what it is not (an ever growing list).
   264. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5637338)
That is...something.


It explains everything you need to know about perros.
   265. Jason Dean Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:51 PM (#5637339)
Sorry I am still stuck on cold dark matter. If it is 85% of the mass of the universe, is our solar system in some kind of dark matter vacuum bubble? Or am I just underestimating the volume of space between stars?


Aether and the Theory of Relativity
   266. Spahn Insane Posted: March 13, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5637341)
There are not many good Velvet Underground lovemakin' tunes.

Venus in Furs. Lovemakin' comes in all varieties.
   267. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5637346)
There are not many good Velvet Underground lovemakin' tunes.

Venus in Furs. Lovemakin' comes in all varieties.



Peel slowly and see.
   268. BrianBrianson Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5637348)
Sorry I am still stuck on cold dark matter. If it is 85% of the mass of the universe, is our solar system in some kind of dark matter vacuum bubble? Or am I just underestimating the volume of space between stars?


No, but baryons are way, way, way, way better at clumping than dark matter is. Essentially, dark matter is fairly smoothly spread within galaxies - there's more at the center, less in the outskirts, very little between galaxies, while stars are dense little knots separated by huge volumes of no suns - The distance between the Sun and the closest star is something like 100 000 000 times the size of the Sun. So inside the Sun, there's (1e8^3/10) ~ a hundred sextillion more times baryonic matter than dark matter. Inside the Earth's orbit, baryonic matter exceeds dark matter by a factor of a hundred quadrillion. Inside Neptune's orbit, it's about three trillion. Inside the Sun's comet cloud - okay, this is starting to get dicey, as the stars are mostly in a disk, and the dark matter is more like a spherical cloud, but they're probably getting comparable. Inside the Milky Way, the amount of dark matter exceeds the amount of baryonic matter by a factor of several - this is also true in smaller galaxies, even galaxies with maybe only ten thousand or a hundred thousand stars (we haven't found smaller galaxies).

Okay, very briefly, the volume of space associated with the Sun has space for about 100 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Suns. Across which the Sun is very concentrated, and the dark matter is pretty evenly spread.
   269. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5637350)
Sorry I am still stuck on cold dark matter. If it is 85% of the mass of the universe, is our solar system in some kind of dark matter vacuum bubble? Or am I just underestimating the volume of space between stars?

No matter why you are asking the question, or what your actual understanding of the space between stars is, the answer is pretty much always yes. That is simply an unimaginable amount of space you are talking about.

“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” - Douglas Adams
   270. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5637351)
We blew up a bunch of their soldiers.
Remindful of the continuing claim of "but... Hillary!" whenever Trump does anything deplorable.

And utterly non-responsive to the concepts that (once AGAIN):

1) Trump didn't "collude" (legally or not) with any Russians *personally*
2) Trump's minions may have, and have certainly lied about whatever they did do
3) Trump has probably lied about What He Knew and When He Knew It re #2
4) Russia doesn't give two craps about those "soldiers" (see #261), they're cackling as long as Big Orange continues to beclown himself and degrade the dignity and importance of the office of POTUS^.

All SBB can do is make passive tense observations in what he considers a wry and pithy fashion regarding "sane people" and "The Decline"; he is incapable of discussing issues comprehensively.

---------------

^ Neither our allies nor our enemies believe any position Trump states, or have any faith that any policy he promotes today will hold tomorrow, much less ever be enacted.
   271. BrianBrianson Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5637355)
Okay, very briefly, the volume of space associated with the Sun has space for about 100 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Suns. Across which the Sun is very concentrated, and the dark matter is pretty evenly spread.


It occurs to me that this is the number of stars in the observable universe. So, yes, if you took every star in the observable universe, you could fit them in the volume of space currently occupied by just the Sun.

[Edit] Huh, this is a really neat idea, and hadn't occurred to me before.
   272. . Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5637356)
Remindful of the continuing claim of "but... Hillary!" whenever Trump does anything deplorable.


There's nothing "deplorable" about a cabinet shakeup. They happen literally all the time in political executive offices.

he is incapable of discussing issues comprehensively.


No, it's the opposite. I am, which is why I routinely chuckle at the reductionist fantasy that issues from the TDS brigade.
   273. Omineca Greg Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5637357)
Lovemakin' comes in all varieties.

Some kinds of love
Margarita told Tom
like a dirty French novel
the absurd courts the vulgar
and some kinds of love
the possibilites are endless
and for me to miss one
would seem to be groundless

Reed
   274. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5637358)
Who loves the sun?
   275. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5637359)
This page is good for visualizing the sizes of celestial stuff. Approximately 1,000,000 Earths could fit in the Sun (more if you melt all the Earths to fit in the sphere better). Or this pic sums up the solar system nicely.

As far as the distances/volumes involved, the approximation I remember the best has the Sun as a basketball and the Earth as a sesame seed around 100 feet away. To get from the Solar System to Proxima Centauri at this scale is like taking a flight from DC to Honolulu (keeping in mind that your rocket ship is essentially one of the molecules of that sesame seed).

There's a LOT of empty space.
   276. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5637360)
^ Neither our allies nor our enemies believe any position Trump states, or have any faith that any policy he promotes today will hold tomorrow, much less ever be enacted.

A lead-footed high school friend of mine once got thrown out by about 10 feet while trying to steal second in the 9th inning of a game where we were several runs behind. When our coach started screaming at him, he said that the idea was "to shake up the pitcher". AFAICT that seems to be Trump's theory this morning.

   277. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5637362)
There's a LOT of empty space.


Movie depictions of asteroid belts are always especially amusing.
   278. canadian shield Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5637366)
Who loves the sun?


I like it because it's like the King of Planets

   279. BDC Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5637367)
There's nothing "deplorable" about a cabinet shakeup. They happen literally all the time in political executive offices

Needless to say, SBB knows as much about American history as he does about law or movies, but back in reality … most Secretaries of State have served through at least one four-year Presidential term. A few have resigned citing disagreements with a President, and there is sometimes a grey area between "resigned" and "was asked to resign." Firing the Secretary of State via a tweet after 14 months may be SOP for this administration, but it's just not a common thing in stable, competent governments.
   280. BrianBrianson Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5637370)
This page is good for visualizing the sizes of celestial stuff. Approximately 1,000,000 Earths could fit in the Sun (more if you melt all the Earths to fit in the sphere better). Or this pic sums up the solar system nicely.



Not really, those still make you underestimate space. If you want a website to show you the scale of the Solar system,
try this.
   281. Omineca Greg Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5637371)
   282. BDC Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5637374)
If you want a website to show you the scale of the Solar system

Alternatively, drive along Route 1 in Maine.
   283. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5637376)
Needless to say, SBB knows as much about American history as he does about law or movies, but back in reality … most Secretaries of State have served through at least one four-year Presidential term. A few have resigned citing disagreements with a President, and there is sometimes a grey area between "resigned" and "was asked to resign." Firing the Secretary of State via a tweet after 14 months may be SOP for this administration, but it's just not a common thing in stable, competent governments.


And of course if the GOP President Trump Administration were fairly standard, except for dismissing a SoS by tweet after 14 months, again, it would be news, but hardly a big deal. It is the accumulation of all of the chaos, all the turnover, the lack of any real accomplishments (OK other than one tax bill and some judges) and on and on and on. And that is before we get to the scandal engulfing the administration which is already the largest and worst scandal in at least 20 years and it is not even over yet.

Deplorable is not the word I would use, rather troubling and embarrassing.
   284. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5637377)
Who loves the sun?


Was this in response to the Velvet Underground discussion or the cosmos discussion? I will take the truth to the grave.

Canadian Coke to the OG. Also didn't know that John Cale was still making music in the 21st century. Good on him.
   285. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5637379)
Remindful of the continuing claim of "but... Hillary!" whenever Trump does anything deplorable.

There's nothing "deplorable" about a cabinet shakeup. They happen literally all the time in political executive offices.
Not talking about Tillerson here, but more generally about Access Hollywood or Charlottesville or Curiel or the Khans or the Mayor of London or crazy batshit tweets.
{SBB} is incapable of discussing issues comprehensively.

No, it's the opposite. I am, which is why I routinely chuckle at the reductionist fantasy that issues from the TDS brigade.
Right, but that's *all* you do; just there you "reductionisted" #270 into "replacing Tillerson is no big deal". You're not capable of coherent paragraphs that actually respond to #270 in a thoughtful way.

Or the idea that although replacing Tillerson, or Priebus, or Spicer, or Comey, is no big deal *in a vacuum*, the rate of change of key personnel (and the reasons for some of those changes), taken *holistically*, is a different thing. That a stray Carson in a cabinet is one thing, but Carson and DeVos and Price and Shulkin and Conway and Pruitt and Zinke in toto constitute the opposite of "only the best people" from an ethical standpoint.
   286. . Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:48 PM (#5637382)
Needless to say, SBB knows as much about American history as he does about law or movies, but back in reality … most Secretaries of State have served through at least one four-year Presidential term. A few have resigned citing disagreements with a President, and there is sometimes a grey area between "resigned" and "was asked to resign." Firing the Secretary of State via a tweet after 14 months may be SOP for this administration, but it's just not a common thing in stable, competent governments.


This barely even addresses what I said.

Here's a list of presidential firings since 1951. Link Gerald Ford shitcanned four senior people within little over a year. ("Halloween Massacre"). Reagan shitcanned Haig as SOS within two years. Carter shitcanned a bunch of people in the wake of his energy speech at The Peak. Clinton fired the SecDef within a year. Etc., etc.

This is just *yet another* edition of "Trump's making bad new norms, history began in November 2016."
   287. . Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5637383)
And that is before we get to the scandal engulfing the administration which is already the largest and worst scandal in at least 20 years and it is not even over yet.


Keep hope alive!!!
   288. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5637384)
Not really, those still make you underestimate space. If you want a website to show you the scale of the Solar system, try this.
Brian, that's fantastic. I did caveat in #275 that those links were only for SIZE, not DISTANCE. Your link is way better for emptiness than the DC-Honolulu analogy, I'm going to steal it. Thanks.
   289. Morty Causa Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5637385)
158

A critical look at Scott's work can be found here: The Natiton

Scott dings my B.S. meter. There was never an Eden.


While giving Scott his qualified due, the writer of this even-handed, clear appraisal obviously sees Scott as one of the many disillusioned, disaffected, leftist proto-hippies trying to salvage something of their youthful ideals. They tended to view pre-Western elemental organized cultures as noble savages, peaceful, content with toking their pipes along the prairies and in the primeval forests, while musing, man, on the oneness of the whole wonder and beauty of the whole thing, man. I get the same impression of thwarted adolescent ideals from certain other historians (and other writers) like the guy who wrote 1491 and, for that matter, the godfather of this class of arrested development intellectuals, Howard Zinn. Maybe their room in the Hall of Fame can be entitled: In Like Zinn.
   290. Omineca Greg Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5637387)
Was this in response to the Velvet Underground discussion or the cosmos discussion? I will take the truth to the grave.

Canadian Coke to the OG. Also didn't know that John Cale was still making music in the 21st century. Good on him.

He is, but that's an archival track from '67, I believe after the Velvet Underground had formed, but while he was still hanging around with his other conspirators.

Here's a poem!

Be Angry At The Sun

That public men publish falsehoods
Is nothing new. That America must accept
Like the historical republics corruption and empire
Has been known for years.

Be angry at the sun for setting
If these things anger you. Watch the wheel slope and turn,
They are all bound on the wheel, these people, those warriors.
This republic, Europe, Asia.

Observe them gesticulating,
Observe them going down. The gang serves lies, the passionate
Man plays his part; the cold passion for truth
Hunts in no pack.

You are not Catullus, you know,
To lampoon these crude sketches of Caesar. You are far
From Dante's feet, but even farther from his dirty
Political hatreds.

Let boys want pleasure, and men
Struggle for power, and women perhaps for fame,
And the servile to serve a Leader and the dupes to be duped.
Yours is not theirs.

Robinson Jeffers


Was this in response to the Trump discussion or the cosmos discussion? It's not really a big secret...
   291. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5637388)
Keep hope alive!!!


I actually hope that Trump learns and grows and stops being a dumpster fire. I hope that it is all smoke and no fire regarding the various scandals (one mega-scandal?) engulfing the Presidency. I hope no lasting damage is done to the US by this travesty.

Unlike you I am not insane, I don't want bad things to happen to the country I love, not for the pleasure of saying "I told you so" and not for partisan gain. Now sadly none of those hopes listed above are realistic.

I am down to hoping the damage is minimized (thus far it largely has been, mostly because Trump is incompetent and the GOP is very dysfunctional currently) and looking for silver linings. But none of this mess makes me happy.

Sorry to disappoint you stretchy.
   292. . Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5637389)
I get the same impression of thwarted adolescent ideals from certain other historians (and other writers) like the guy who wrote 1491 and, for that matter, the godfather of this class of arrested development intellectuals, Howard Zinn. Maybe their room in the Hall of Fame can be entitled: In Like Zinn.


I always thought it was Rousseau.
   293. . Posted: March 13, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5637390)
I hope that it is all smoke and no fire regarding the various scandals (one mega-scandal?) engulfing the Presidency. I hope no lasting damage is done to the US by this travesty.


There is no "scandal engulfing" the administration. That's pure partisan hysteria.
   294. BrianBrianson Posted: March 13, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5637392)
Well, it's not my link, or anything, by all means share it.

Really, as a professional astronomy, public outreachy stuff (even in this obviously informal context) is pretty important. Little bits of astronomy have obvious practical value (a bit does, like, say, if we detect a decent size asteroid that's going to hit the earth, or find asteroids to mine, and the value of that could be enormous), so if we're generating the knowledge we're obliged to share it around as much as is possible.
   295. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5637393)
Who loves the sun?


I loved the sun. But now it burns when I pee.
   296. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5637395)
Was this in response to the Trump discussion or the cosmos discussion? It's not really a big secret...


I'd never read any Jeffers and was only vaguely aware of him. I now owe it to myself to do a deeper dive.

   297. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 13, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5637396)
Who loves the sun?

The Stranglers and Katrina and the Waves
   298. Traderdave Posted: March 13, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5637398)
But now it burns when I pee.


Not everything stays in Vegas....
   299. Jason Dean Posted: March 13, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5637399)
the writer of this even-handed, clear appraisal obviously sees Scott as one of the many disillusioned, disaffected, leftist proto-hippies trying to salvage something of their youthful ideals.

Their diet was extremely varied, which is to say extremely healthy. So that when you find the bones of people who died at the same time and you want to know whether they were a part of an agrarian state or whether they were hunters and gatherers and foragers, you can tell because the hunter-gatherers’ skeletons are much larger because they had fewer interruptions in growth, and their bones show almost no signs of malnutrition, whereas the people in the agricultural civilizations are both shorter and their bones and teeth are less robust. You see evidence of growth interruptions that are mostly due to protein deficiency of one kind or another.

It's clear that people outside these grain civilizations were healthier than the people inside.

   300. Morty Causa Posted: March 13, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5637401)
I always thought it was Rousseau.

Doh! Rousseau!
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