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OTP 12 March 2018: Trevor Bauer thinks Major League Baseball trying to silence him on Twitter

Last February, Bauer made waves on Twitter when he argued over politics with his followers. He tweeted that almost all of the Indians supported Donald Trump and told another user they were “welcome to quit life.”

Bauer has been much calmer as of late and that could be because MLB stepped in. The 27-year-old hasn’t tweeted that much this offseason and when he does it’s been about things like the Olympics and his training.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 12, 2018 at 08:17 AM | 1718 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   401. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:17 PM (#5637592)
About 8,000 votes still outstanding. To match Trump's 19% margin from 2016, Saccone needs to get around 26,000 of them.
   402. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5637593)
No matter how it turns out, conservatives are viewing this special election, and these midterms a lot like this.
   403. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:21 PM (#5637596)
It's almost as if the last few precincts are deliberately withholding their vote totals until all the other straggling precincts give up and finally report them.
   404. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:21 PM (#5637597)
If Lamb wins, does that mean Saccone got Nadered?
   405. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5637598)
The difference is now less than 800 votes.

It's almost as if the last few precincts are deliberately withholding their vote totals until all the other straggling precincts give up and finally report them.


Saccone will not be Nadered, if the GOP can Daley Lamb.


EDIT: Now less than 600 votes
   406. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:24 PM (#5637599)
If Lamb wins, does that mean Saccone got Nadered?

Probably, along with a GOP investigation of the records of the Allegheny County morgue.

EDIT: Half a coke to Srul.
   407. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:26 PM (#5637600)
Down to 585 votes with 98% in. No way there won't be a recount.
   408. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:28 PM (#5637601)
If Lamb wins, does that mean Saccone got Nadered?


No matter what it was $9 Million well spent. :)
   409. Tom T Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5637603)
No way there won't be a recount


Surprisingly NOT automatic, it appears. Still, only seems to require 3 voters in a precinct to request a recount for it to be triggered. Shouldn't be hard to instigate, no matter which candidate ends up on the short end of the stick.
   410. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5637604)
Down to 585 votes with 98% in. No way there won't be a recount.


Don't forget that there are more than 7000 absentee ballots - more than half of them sent out from Allegheny. Greene and Washington said they won't count till tomorrow, but the two of them together are only a bit over 1000 of them. Doesn't mean they'll all be returned of course, but Allegheny said it should have theirs counted by midnight.

I'll adjust down slightly and say Lamb by less than a point rather than a bit more than a point.
   411. Traderdave Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:35 PM (#5637605)
I never had much respect for anyone who voted for Il Duce in '16, but I can understand some number of them.

If you live in a coal district, I get it. It was a terrible idea but at least you had a better reason than hating that black SOB so you wouldn't vote for his successor cuz she killed Vince Foster, among other irrational reasons.

If you live in a formerly prosperous factory town, I get it. You were naive to believe Il Duce would bring back 90 grand + benefits factory jobs, but I do understand a vote to bring things back the way they usta be, dammit.

But now, after seeing the train wreck (instead of on time trains) and the plainly, openly moronic narcissist for whom the Presidency is just a new toy, how in the world can they still support this dolt? Is there ANY reason other than they are stupid, racist, or some such other very negative ist?

After 15 months, is there a remotely rational reason to still be a Trumpist?

Serious question. Rational responses welcome.
   412. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:35 PM (#5637606)
I know the money gets mentioned a lot but I think the reality of it is that the money doesn't matter. No other campaign come November is going to be short money because of this campaign.
   413. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5637607)
For a race in a district that'll be history by November, it still has elements** of 1960 and 2000 in it, or maybe it's just elements of 1960's Game 7.

** VERY small elements
   414. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:37 PM (#5637608)
He's not black, he's not a liberal, and he's not Hillary. Did I mention he's not Hillary?
   415. tshipman Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:39 PM (#5637610)
I swear to God, if the Democrats give a single vote to a torturer to lead the CIA, there's no ####### point to even having the D party.

Just shut up shop and give up. This is a bright line for me.
   416. BrianBrianson Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5637611)
But, uh, as far as dark matter goes, there's not that much to say. We know the amount, we know it's more like WIMPs than MACHOs (i.e., it's non-baryonic, with a mass more like particles than stellar objects). At some point, we might be able to measure its temperature (and thus, mass) by finding the mass at which you stop making dark matter halos.

And then?

I dunno - maybe it does get turned over to the particle physicists? In the early universe, it's dense enough to detectably couple to matter? Like, dark matter and dark energy are kinda boring, because we know a little, and know it well, and ... really, although Planck did a better job than WMAP, all we actually learned is that there really all 3 neutrinos (WMAP could've allowed 4), and - there's a slight tension* between Planck and local measurements of the Hubble constant. But they can be resolved by letting the local volume be like a 1-sigma underdensity.

*Tension is just jargon that means the values disagree, but not at a level that's statistically significant.
   417. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5637612)
Is there ANY reason other than they are stupid, racist, or some such other very negative ist?


Love for Mother Russia?
   418. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:41 PM (#5637613)
After 15 months, is there a remotely rational reason to still be a Trumpist?

Serious question. Rational responses welcome.


For the snappers, it's Gorsuch.

For the JE's, it's that Trump's in Bibi's pocket.

For all these morons, it's simply that he's not Hillary.
   419. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5637614)
Is there ANY reason other than they are stupid, racist, or some such other very negative ist?


They're too proud to admit they ###### up. Which is stupidity.
   420. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:43 PM (#5637615)
Is there ANY reason other than they are stupid, racist, or some such other very negative ist?


Stubbornness.

It's one thing to know you were/did wrong, but it's another thing to ADMIT you were/did wrong.

Edit: JB gets an RC Cola
   421. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:44 PM (#5637616)
Don't forget that there are more than 7000 absentee ballots - more than half of them sent out from Allegheny. Greene and Washington said they won't count till tomorrow, but the two of them together are only a bit over 1000 of them. Doesn't mean they'll all be returned of course, but Allegheny said it should have theirs counted by midnight.

Does that mean that those 93% to 100% precincts reported totals aren't really the full story?
   422. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:45 PM (#5637617)
I swear to God, if the Democrats give a single vote to a torturer to lead the CIA, there's no ####### point to even having the D party.


Do you think she's the first person to lead the CIA to approve torture?

Do you think she would be the last?

Do you imagine it is not going on, even now?

Who's being naive, Kay?

   423. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:45 PM (#5637618)

Must be over the Trumpkins on Twitter are blaming the 3rd party libertarian as the difference.
Actually, people on both sides are ranting about Drew Miller (the Libertarian candidate) on twitter. Heh.
   424. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5637619)
Lead back over 750.

Looking forward to the recount.

Hanging Chads Forever!
   425. tshipman Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:50 PM (#5637620)
Actually, people on both sides are ranting about Drew Miller (the Libertarian candidate) on twitter. Heh.


In fairness, libertarians are annoying.
   426. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:51 PM (#5637621)
Actually, people on both sides are ranting about Drew Miller (the Libertarian candidate) on twitter. Heh.


This is likely as famous as he is ever going to be.

I hope he has a plan in place to cash in on it, like any good lib should.
   427. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:51 PM (#5637623)
Must be over the Trumpkins on Twitter are blaming the 3rd party libertarian as the difference.


Actually, people on both sides are ranting about Drew Miller (the Libertarian candidate) on twitter. Heh.

Not that you're necessarily an authority on this particular district, but how do you think the Libertarian voters there would vote if for some reason there were to be a Lamb-Saccone runoff?
   428. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:52 PM (#5637624)
Does that mean that those 93% to 100% precincts reported totals aren't really the full story?


Yes.

Apparently, the way it works is that the precincts first report their results and upload 'who voted' - that is then used to compare against the returned absentees to exclude any would-be double voters. Apparently, Allegheny has already tallied about ~3000 absentees - but nobody knows how they came out because they report them in one big dump. They're waiting about about a dozen precincts to finish reporting so they can run the remainder.

Westmoreland is also supposedly counting tonight.

The other two counties won't count/reconcile till tomorrow, but more than likely - they won't matter. The big two should be enough to settle it.
   429. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5637625)

Not that you're necessarily an authority on this particular district, but how do you think the Libertarian voters there would vote if for some reason there were to be a Lamb-Saccone runoff?
Like FLTB with respect to the law, I haven't the first ####### clue.
   430. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:56 PM (#5637626)
Saccone has essentially caught up, with the lead down to 95.

   431. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 10:57 PM (#5637627)
One precinct left in Westmoreland - Lamb up by ~100 votes.

Looks like Lamb will just barely squeak by with the live vote, but I'm betting the final margin is closer to 1000 (even Hillary won the Allegheny absentees in this district, though she actually lost the Allegheny part of this district overall).

EDIT: Conflicting tweets, but it may be two precincts
   432. BrianBrianson Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:00 PM (#5637629)
NYT is 95 vote lead with 2 precincts to go.
   433. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:01 PM (#5637630)
Allegheny done absentee counting...
   434. Tom T Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:02 PM (#5637631)
Tension is just jargon that means the values disagree, but not at a level that's statistically significant.


I like this term. Maybe we'll sneak the term and its definition into the book chapter on subconcussive injuries we're supposed to be wrapping up. Otherwise we end up fighting with the neurologists about the fact that getting inconsistent measurements (but within the measurement error) from the imaging process is not a fatal flaw.....

Side story related to the last comment: I recently had to spend part of an evening being harangued by a practicing physician who was complaining about how we PhDs think they (MDs who aren't trained in research) don't know how to do research. To show off his prowess (I suppose) he went on and on about how cavitation could occur in venous blood under remarkably low accelerations, as his student and the student's mentors (at an over-rated private engineering school in my state) had calculated. I eventually sweet-talked him into send me his student's modeling code and, lo-and-behold, they treated blood vessels as rigid pipes, meaning that the only response possible for an increase in pressure was an increase in velocity (and thus an increase in cavitation potential). Apparently, despite (supposedly??) being a cardiologist, the guy doesn't get that vessels are compliant and can dilate. Made me want to cry.....
   435. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:03 PM (#5637632)
+750 Lamb in Allegheny.

That'll do it...
   436. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:04 PM (#5637633)
Not that you're necessarily an authority on this particular district, but how do you think the Libertarian voters there would vote if for some reason there were to be a Lamb-Saccone runoff?

Like FLTB with respect to the law, I haven't the first ####### clue.


Fair enough, but unlike FLTB, at least you admit it.
   437. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:10 PM (#5637635)
+750 Lamb in Allegheny.

That'll do it...


That must be why the lead now is up to 847, or 0.4%.
   438. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5637636)
Jason Miller is the Patron Saint of Dancing Monkeys.
   439. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5637637)
I love that the story is going to be that Trump got saccone 5 extra points by coming out to the district.
   440. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:14 PM (#5637638)
If those two precincts shave off a couple hundred votes before the absentees get counted saccone can absolutely win this.
   441. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:15 PM (#5637639)
The last choppers will be leaving Saigon, and Miller will be claiming victory.
   442. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:16 PM (#5637640)
If those two precincts shave off a couple hundred votes before the absentees get counted saccone can absolutely win this.


weren't you the guy who said it was over?

or were you channeling "It's over. It's always been over"?
   443. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:16 PM (#5637641)
If those two precincts shave off a couple hundred votes before the absentees get counted saccone can absolutely win this.


I don't know, when Rick Santorum says he'd rather be in Lamb's shoes that Saccone's...
   444. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:16 PM (#5637642)
I love that the story is going to be that Trump got saccone 5 extra points by coming out to the district.


Trumpkins don't know how anything else works, why should math be exempted...
   445. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:17 PM (#5637643)
It's over is a running gag. Laugh damn you, laugh.
   446. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:18 PM (#5637644)
Everybody would rather be in lamb's shoes. Nobody should want to be trailing.
   447. tshipman Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:20 PM (#5637645)
What in the world could be the issue with arming teachers?

No one could have predicted this.
   448. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:21 PM (#5637646)
I wouldn't want to be in Lamb's shoes. Because tonight Lamb's shoes are straight up Trump's ass.
   449. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:22 PM (#5637648)
If those two precincts shave off a couple hundred votes before the absentees get counted saccone can absolutely win this.


How big do you think those precincts are? Saccone will be way overperforming to net 100 votes, even they're the largest precincts in the county.
   450. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:25 PM (#5637649)
From Shipman's article


A news release from the Seaside Police Department said no one suffered "serious injuries." One 17-year-old boy suffered moderate injuries when fragments from the bullet ricocheted off the ceiling and lodged into his neck, the student's father, Fermin Gonzales, told KSBW.


Yeah, that don't sound dangerous. Rub a little dirt on it.

But this is the best part to me:

The teacher had just told the class that he wanted to make sure his gun wasn't loaded, when the gun fired, according to Gonzales.


Seriously, could that possibly be any more of a cliche?

   451. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5637651)
That's right. I'm Jake tapper in disguise
   452. Srul Itza Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5637652)
IF the lead holds up, Trump will undoubtedly take credit for how close Saccone came, while blaming him for being a lousy candidate who failed to hew closely enough to Trumpism to win the race.
   453. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5637653)
How do you let a kid go home with bullet fragments in his neck?

Was everybody at that school just really hoping if they stayed extra quiet the whole thing would go away?
   454. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5637654)
IF the lead holds up, Trump will undoubtedly take credit for how close Saccone came, while blaming him for being a lousy candidate who failed to hew closely enough to Trumpism to win the race.

Two of tomorrow's safest bets:

1. There'll be a demand for a recount.

2. Trump will be tweeting all day and into the night about "VOTER FRAUD".
   455. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:30 PM (#5637656)
Republicans actually improved their position by 50%, because unlike the Alabama special election, this time Donald Trump only endorsed one loser.
   456. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM (#5637657)
Frankly, a recount is dumb.

This district - at least under its current boundaries - won't exist in 8 months. But hey, by all means - let the GOP keep it in the news for a while longer.
   457. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5637658)
Ahhh, the hell with it. This ain't the World Series, and it might be another 3 hours until they count those final precincts.
   458. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:34 PM (#5637659)
This district - at least under its current boundaries - won't exist in 8 months.


Also, there's a not-bad chance that both Lamb and Saccone will be together in the House of Representatives next January.
   459. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:35 PM (#5637660)
Re 449. Don't have any idea just pointing out the math.
   460. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:49 PM (#5637665)
Drew Miller just used the word "crappy" twice on live TV on ABC. Lol.
   461. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:52 PM (#5637666)
... and the other half is about cosmology.


Speaking of which, Stephan Hawking has died.
   462. McCoy Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:53 PM (#5637667)
ABC is saying the two precincts have about 1000 votes so saccone can absolutely pick up about 200 votes in that county.
   463. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: March 13, 2018 at 11:55 PM (#5637668)
Heh:


A senior New Zealand diplomat based in Washington is in hot water over a series of tweets directed at the US Democratic party saying “please get your #### together or we will all die”.

Caroline Beresford, New Zealand’s deputy head of mission to the US and ambassador to Haiti, sent the tweet in response to a post by US politics website the Hill detailing the Democratic party’s plans for the 2020 election and the possible pairing of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren as running mates. “A Sanders-Warren ticket could win big in 2020” declared the headline.
Deporting offending New Zealanders ‘fair and just’, Turnbull says

“No it couldn’t” responded Beresford in a tweet that was later deleted. “Please get your #### together or we will all die.”

In another tweet on the same article, Beresford added “They’ve learned nothing.”


Link
   464. tshipman Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:02 AM (#5637670)
“No it couldn’t” responded Beresford in a tweet that was later deleted. “Please get your #### together or we will all die.”

In another tweet on the same article, Beresford added “They’ve learned nothing.”


Strongly agree with random New Zealander.
   465. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:05 AM (#5637671)
ABC is saying the two precincts have about 1000 votes so saccone can absolutely pick up about 200 votes in that county.


Westmoreland just dropped its last two districts AND the absentees count - lead down to 546, so +300 total over the last two precincts and all absentees.

1200 absentees in Washington; 200 in Greene.
   466. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:17 AM (#5637672)
So -

Some random states.... 119(!) districts have a better D lean than PA-18. Allegheny made up 45% of the PA-18 turnout - much higher than expectations. The GOP counties actually did turnout - Allegheny just turned out even bigger.

I expect Gonfalon to be updating his already-record GOP retirement count with some additional retirees in the coming weeks.
   467. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:25 AM (#5637673)
Dennis Alexander was teaching a course about gun safety for his Administration of Justice class when his gun went off at 1:20 p.m.


That's the money quote about the accidental gun discharge in the school.
   468. greenback slays lewks Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:25 AM (#5637674)
Some random states.... 119(!) districts have a better D lean than PA-18. Allegheny made up 45% of the PA-18 turnout - much higher than expectations. The GOP counties actually did turnout - Allegheny just turned out even bigger.


Sahil Kapur:

#PA18 is a R+11 district

By contrast…

Paul Ryan: R+4
Pete Sessions: R+5
Devin Nunes: R+8
Steve King: R+11
Mark Meadows: R+14

Paul Ryan's supporters apparently didn't like this tweet.
   469. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:28 AM (#5637675)
By contrast…

Paul Ryan: R+4
Pete Sessions: R+5
Devin Nunes: R+8
Steve King: R+11
Mark Meadows: R+14


Paul Ryan's supporters apparently didn't like this tweet.


The best part of this list is that there's one for each of the Trumpkins... You've got Ryan for Clapper, Nunes for JE, King for TGF, and I'll give Meadows to SBB as the most trolltastic crazy. Ray ends up with Sessions by default.
   470. Shredder Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:51 AM (#5637676)
   471. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:57 AM (#5637677)
Stephen Hawking has passed


I don't often drink Coke these days, but when I do, I prefer it to be Mexican ...
   472. greenback slays lewks Posted: March 14, 2018 at 12:59 AM (#5637678)
But now, after seeing the train wreck (instead of on time trains) and the plainly, openly moronic narcissist for whom the Presidency is just a new toy, how in the world can they still support this dolt? Is there ANY reason other than they are stupid, racist, or some such other very negative ist?

After 15 months, is there a remotely rational reason to still be a Trumpist?

Amy Chua, of Tiger Mother fame, has a book out covering the topic, which addresses your question in one word: tribalism. These are the analogues to the sports fans who cheer for laundry. I haven't read the book yet, but apparently she is a good enough writer and the topic obviously is relevant. The criticism I've seen of the book is that its prescription for dealing with tribalism isn't robust.
   473. Jay Z Posted: March 14, 2018 at 01:23 AM (#5637680)
Oops. Late.


Indeed.
   474. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 14, 2018 at 01:33 AM (#5637681)
I wrote:
Actually, people on both sides are ranting about Drew Miller (the Libertarian candidate) on twitter. Heh.
Case in point:
Drew Gray Miller
‏@DrewGrayMiller

We're only a few hours away from me being the most hated man in America #PA18
10:38 PM - 13 Mar 2018 from Pittsburgh, PA
And check out the reactions, with half the people claiming that libertarians are a liberal plot, and the other half ranting that it's White Male Privilege to vote for a third party. Or something.
   475. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: March 14, 2018 at 05:35 AM (#5637685)
Sagan's dead, Hawking's dead, and Bill Nye is healthy as a mule.
   476. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 14, 2018 at 06:09 AM (#5637686)
Drew Gray Miller
‏@DrewGrayMiller

We're only a few hours away from me being the most hated man in America #PA18
10:38 PM - 13 Mar 2018 from Pittsburgh, PA

And check out the reactions, with half the people claiming that libertarians are a liberal plot, and the other half ranting that it's White Male Privilege to vote for a third party. Or something.

The irony here is that the Lefties who actually do spend most of their waking hours bringing up White Male Privilege** are precisely the ones who handed 2016 to Trump by either sitting on their asses or voting for Stein.

** As opposed to the Lefties in many conservatives' heads
   477. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 14, 2018 at 06:24 AM (#5637687)
Most amusing slide show of the morning:

‘You’re fired’: A timeline of Trump administration departures

Actually the list is about 2/3 made up of "resignations", but it's still an impressive number.

Out of the 15 months that Trump has been in office, only three months have been without at least one departure. Can anyone guess which three months survived the permanent hurricane?
   478. BrianBrianson Posted: March 14, 2018 at 07:18 AM (#5637688)
Speaking of which, Stephan Hawking has died.


The most famous guy I ever had lunch with.

Well, sat next to during a lunch seminar.
   479. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: March 14, 2018 at 07:52 AM (#5637690)
Sagan's dead, Hawking's dead, and Bill Nye is healthy as a mule.

We still got Scott Adams! #blessed
   480. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 14, 2018 at 08:04 AM (#5637691)
But now, after seeing the train wreck (instead of on time trains) and the plainly, openly moronic narcissist for whom the Presidency is just a new toy, how in the world can they still support this dolt? Is there ANY reason other than they are stupid, racist, or some such other very negative ist?

After 15 months, is there a remotely rational reason to still be a Trumpist?


What everyone said upstream was basically correct, but I would simplify it down to the lesser of evils. One can admit that GOP President is less than ideal and yet still think he is the less evil option over <cue scary music and grainy footage> Non-Generic Democrat.

Most of the reasons listed are just the rational for deciding the alternative to Trump is more evil: tribalism, abortion, racism, Modern Liberalism, whatever. And so you vote for the less evil.

As it appears though, what matters in terms of elections is you see your candidate is the lesser evil and don't go to the polls, while the other side sees just HOW evil* Trump is and rushes to the polls (over broken glass as some in the GOP have put it). In a closely divided nation that is more than enough to tip the election from one side to the other - as we are seeing with every special election.

* Note: I don't think Trump is evil. Evil gives him way too much credit. Loathsome, racist, xenophobic, ignorant, not qualifying, lazy, narcissistic, and dishonest? Yeah those fit better. However, I hear there are absolutely no scandals in the Trump administration. None at all. Nope. Ignore the investigations and plea bargains and indictments, endless turnover and general incompetence. Everything is GREAT!
   481. Morty Causa Posted: March 14, 2018 at 08:14 AM (#5637693)
Sagan's dead, Hawking's dead, and Bill Nye is healthy as a mule.

Don't forget that guy who has the creationist museum with the display of a cowboy riding a dinosaur.
   482. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 14, 2018 at 08:15 AM (#5637694)
After embarrassing election in Pennsylvania, Republicans wonder whether tax cuts will save them in November

The most dangerous outcome for Republicans in Tuesday's special House election is not the prospect of a Democrat taking over one of their seats.

It was the shrugging off by voters of the party's biggest legislative achievement: the tax cut measure that Republicans hoped would be their major campaign message as they head toward a turbulent midterm election.

Though the popularity of Trump's tax plan has grown since it was passed last year, it seemed to have stalled as an election issue in Pennsylvania, leading Republicans to shift away from it late in the campaign in search of another topic to energize supporters of state legislator Rick Saccone.

"It looks like it just petered out," pollster Patrick Murray of the nonpartisan Monmouth University Polling Institute said of the tax plan's impact on the election.


The latest amount I heard - that the GOP piled up and set afire - is $10 million. Well done GOP, well done! But at least the big guns didn't roll into town and try to tip the balance ... oh ... wait. Never mind. Embarrassing election indeed.
   483. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 14, 2018 at 08:45 AM (#5637695)
Looks like Lamb actually picked up some votes with the Washington county absentees, leaving him at +641. Only Greene county left to count absentees (203 total requested) - then provisionals and whatever trickle of late, but post-marked in-time, absentees trickle in. This may include overseas military ballots, but apparently, a total of 14 were requested in Washington county.

The latest amount I heard - that the GOP piled up and set afire - is $10 million. Well done GOP, well done! But at least the big guns didn't roll into town and try to tip the balance ... oh ... wait. Never mind. Embarrassing election indeed.


10.7 million at last count - plus another 1.2 million by the Saccone campaign. Plus trips by all the Trumps... and two by Pence... in a district Trump won by 20... that Democrats didn't even field a candidate the last two cycles.

Repeating from last night, I suspect Gonfalon's retirement counter is going to get bigger.... and I don't think the count will stop after the various filing deadlines, as declining to run post-filing deadline allows the local/state party apparatus to select candidates.
   484. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:01 AM (#5637699)
Oh - and the acting head of NASA is resigning... The Trump nominee is stalled via holds - including one from Marco Rubio - due his main qualification to head NASA being that he's a climate skpetic... oh, and he was once Executive Director of the Tulsa Air and Space Museum and Planetarium.

How will we get those space marines now?
   485. . Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:29 AM (#5637707)
The irony here is that the Lefties who actually do spend most of their waking hours bringing up White Male Privilege** are precisely the ones who handed 2016 to Trump by either sitting on their asses or voting for Stein.

** As opposed to the Lefties in many conservatives' heads


It's cute that Andy thinks the faction of the left that believes in and blathers about "white male privilege" is some kind of minor schismatic, as opposed to a distinct majority.

Earth to Andy: It's not 1965 anymore.
   486. . Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:31 AM (#5637708)
As to the election in PA, a Democratic House would be awesome. It's never good to have the presidency, Senate, and House in the possession of one party, especially one as loony as the Republican Party. The archives will show an expression of this very opinion as the Times's Election Night electrometer showed that Trump would be winning the presidency.

But if the House turns blue, it in no way redeems the sufferers or manifestations of TDS. Their acting out from November 2016 to ?????? is still a massive blight.
   487. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5637710)
But if the House turns blue, it in no way redeems the sufferers or manifestations of TDS. Their acting out from November 2016 to ?????? is still a massive blight.


Keep delusions alive.

I admit I enjoy how anything and everything justifies Trump, his election, the stock market, and so on, but nothing can ever or will ever justify the opinions of "Modern Liberals" - good thing they only exist in your head and not in the real world.

Anyway, here in reality, no one is trying or needs to justify being against Trump. The very idea is lunacy, as he is, was, and will always be supremely unqualified for the presidency. What matters is mitigating the damage done by Trump and the rest of his GOP.

And the good news is that even with a Democratic House (should that come to pass), voters will continue to "know" Trump and the GOP are in charge.
   488. . Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5637711)
but nothing can ever or will ever justify the opinions of "Modern Liberals" - good thing they only exist in your head and not in the real world.


This doesn't become any more true on the 165,784th repetition. Identity liberalism is very much a thing and it's very much distinct from actual liberalism.

I admit I enjoy how anything and everything justifies Trump, his election, the stock market, and so on,


Voices in your head. The stock market doesn't "justify" Trump, but it does make the unassailable argument that neither Trump in the Oval Office, his policy ideas, or the combination thereof is some kind of "destabilizing" force. If they were, the stock market, which is all about the future, would have sold off. It did exactly the opposite. The serious money in the world in fact thinks the opinions of you and yours are deranged.

Anyway, here in reality, no one is trying or needs to justify being against Trump.


"Being against Trump" is completely distinct from TDS. Again, there can be no serious doubt about that fact.
   489. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:45 AM (#5637713)
You can tell sugar larva is serious because he keeps explaining how serious he is about the lack of seriousness of everyone else. Seriously.
   490. DavidFoss Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5637714)
Identity liberalism is very much a thing and it's very much distinct from actual liberalism.

Labels are annoying. Liberal and Libertarian derive from the same root.
   491. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5637716)
This doesn't become any more true on the 165,784th repetition. Identity liberalism is very much a thing and it's very much distinct from actual liberalism.


Amusingly you are never able to identify current politicians who are "actual liberals" as opposed to "Modern Liberals". It is almost as if they don't exist, because "Modern Liberalism" doesn't exist separate from your fantasies.

Hint: If you are the only "actual liberal" in the world you can identify then it is not a movement or political party or anything but your personal beliefs.
   492. . Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:52 AM (#5637717)
Labels are annoying. Liberal and Libertarian derive from the same root.


There are several recent books on identity liberalism. Try Mark Lilla's.
   493. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:52 AM (#5637718)
SBB is only hammering more strenuously than usual on "TDS" because there were a couple of posts mocking the term. He's like the toddler harnessed in the car seat who, when told to stop saying "poop," responds with "POOP, poop, poop, poop, POOP POOP!" It's what he does.

If we wanted, we could make him repeat any word we want just by directing negative attention to it.
   494. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5637719)
Keep delusions alive


I disagree with flippantly pathologizing behavior. I think it’s much more likely that he’s stupid than delusional.
   495. . Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5637720)
Amusingly you are never able to identify current politicians who are "actual liberals" as opposed to "Modern Liberals".


LOL. As if this matters to philosophy. There aren't any current politicians who are monarchists or (doctrinaire) libertarians, either.

Alan Dershowitz is an actual liberal. Most Dem politicians in office now are modern liberals.(*) The Dem party has become a modern liberal one.

This is, like, fundamental stuff.

(*) And we see the nuttiness of modern liberalism in its reactions to Alan Dershowitz or, closer to home, me.
   496. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5637721)
(Case in point)
   497. BrianBrianson Posted: March 14, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5637722)
Amusingly you are never able to identify current politicians who are "actual liberals" as opposed to "Modern Liberals". It is almost as if they don't exist, because "Modern Liberalism" doesn't exist separate from your fantasies.


Sugar Bear is an "actual liberal" and literally every other person on earth is a "modern liberal".
   498. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 14, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5637724)
LOL. As if this matters to philosophy. There aren't any current politicians who are monarchists or libertarians, either.

Alan Dershowitz is an actual liberal. Most Dem politicians in office now are modern liberals. The Dem party has become a modern liberal one.


You realize the "P" in OT:P stands for Politics and not Philosophy, right? And you NEVER present your arguments as philosophical ones, but rather as political ones.

Dude, seriously (I'm serious, you can tell because I used the word "seriously", so take note), what you see as "Actual Liberalism" doesn't exists. Maybe it did at one point, though I doubt at all as you imagine it to be, but it certainly is not viable today. Much like Monarchism and Libertarianism are not politically viable. That is the entire point. You are railing about something that doesn't exist other than in your* mind.

You claim to be the sane centrist one and yet now openly admit there are no "actual liberals" in politics. That the entire liberal political establishment is comprised of "Modern Liberals". Which, by the way, makes it obvious that it is useless as a tag. When Lamb, Clinton, and Sanders are ALL under the same flag as "Modern Liberals", well it is a useless designation.

There are no "Modern Liberals", there are only liberals. If you don't like it, fine. You get to not like liberals or liberalism. That is totally cool. You even get to call yourself a True Scotsman or True Liberal or whatever. Hey, free country. But no one takes it ... here is that word again ... seriously.

But I do like that you concede you are just as relevant as the Monarchists of the world. In that you are 100% correct. Seriously.

* It sounds like you claim Mark Lilla is also an "actual liberal", like you. Congrats!
   499. Zonk is One Individual Posted: March 14, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5637726)
I disagree with flippantly pathologizing behavior. I think it’s much more likely that he’s stupid than delusional.


I place my bet on both.... compromise is a hallmark of the modern liberal.
   500. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 14, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5637727)
Another textbook case of MLDS.
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