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OTP 13 November 2017: Politics, race now touching every sport

Like legions of Giants fans who hate the Los Angeles Dodgers, Le rooted for the Houston Astros to beat them in the World Series. But he changed his mind, swallowed hard and began cheering for the Dodgers after Yuri Gurriel, a Cuban-born Astro, hit a home run against Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish then was caught on camera pulling the corners of his eyes with his fingers in a racist gesture.

“I couldn’t really be OK with them winning any longer,” Le said of the Astros.

With Gurriel’s gesture, yet another major sporting event in the United States came to be viewed through a prism of race, politics or both.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: November 13, 2017 at 08:05 AM | 2202 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1901. zack Posted: November 17, 2017 at 04:24 PM (#5578220)
All Hail Zack, the Omniscient Internet Pyschic.

Alright let's try this one last time. I'll even keep my crystal ball under it's hood.

How do you guys think the, well now let's be particular!, alleged victim interprets the events, based on the way she described them? Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, but it actually doesn't matter what Franken thought he was doing. Whatever he thought he was doing, in the end he sexually humiliated (what is essentially) his coworker. All the posts you accuse me of mind-reading were trying to explain the mechanism for how that might have happened, I apologize for not spending more words disclaiming objections than the actual content of the posts themselves. This is why I normally delete 90% of the stuff I write.
   1902. spycake Posted: November 17, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5578221)
Because everyone in comedy and showbiz reads the comments section on every Gawker article? That's nuts.


He wasn't named in that 2012 piece, but he was described pretty well. And that was the culmination/product of ~10 years of "in the air" rumors and innuendo. If they hadn't heard it before, I think anyone in comedy anywhere close to Silverman's level would have heard it with CK's name attached pretty quickly after that. Not confirmed, and not enough to actionable, so I am not blaming anybody, but they had to be aware of the rumor and possibility. It was wide enough that he needed to issue a public denial in 2016.
   1903. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 17, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5578222)
I think everyone in comedy and probably most in showbiz were at least *aware* of the rumor since 2012.

Because everyone in comedy and showbiz reads the comments section on every Gawker article? That's nuts.


Knowing a female comic who has been in the industry for 15 years as I do... you're embarrassing yourself here. The rumors were well known. And they were stronger than mere rumors. They were basically allegations that people accepted as fact from having talked to others in the industry.

   1904. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 17, 2017 at 04:47 PM (#5578225)
Quick, who else have you heard salacious rumors about! Name names. Let's try to get you ahead of the curve for once.
   1905. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: November 17, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5578230)
But what does LCK get out of *these* interactions? I guess a feeling of power would be the common answer. It still doesn't compute to me, that making a woman feel extremely uncomfortable, afraid, embarrassed, humiliated, gives him that extra "high" or whatever during masturbation. And in his case the women were fully clothed, as I understand it, so it's not even that he's seeing them naked either. He "asked permission" but still they are nervous, afraid, etc. So why does that help get him off? To say nothing of this ruining his reputation, even if the circles remain closed.

Not my thing mind you, but what percentage of porn features the male finishing on rather than in the female? I'm no psychologist, but it seems to me to be much like a dog peeing on a fire hydrant: an attempt to mark your territory.


Heh... it's cute when men pretend they've never visited any of those naughty websites :-)

Kidding.... just saying that like a lot of other things technical/digital, even the now-standard things taxonomical categorization for ease of UX were damn near pioneered on a large scale by porn sites. Not my cup of tea either, but the counts would sure seem to say that either it's a lot of people's cups of tea or a very limited number of people's cups of tea but who demand very broad selections.

True story, I used to work with a UX architect/UI designer - a pretty good one, in fact - that got in a spot of trouble because it was discovered that he had visited a ton of porn sites in the office on his company machine, but escaped serious repercussions (i.e., didn't get fired over it) because he made the case that it was all about content classification, design ideas, and UX progression... I later was told by someone on the sysadmin side - he had taken some rudimentary steps to anon himself, so there was some deeper digging over the matter - involved that either the dude managed to get off by just rapidly clicking through various screens and displays without actually watching anything or he was being honest.
   1906. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: November 17, 2017 at 05:06 PM (#5578231)

Knowing a female comic who has been in the industry for 15 years as I do... you're embarrassing yourself here. The rumors were well known. And they were stronger than mere rumors. They were basically allegations that people accepted as fact from having talked to others in the industry.
So why didn't she, or you, say anything?
   1907. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 17, 2017 at 05:06 PM (#5578232)
'You know he's with a black girl tonight don't you': Video emerges showing Cowboys owner Jerry Jones making shocking comment to newlywed as it's revealed he called Bob Kraft a 'p***y' while slamming Roger Goodell

Jerry Jones was caught on video making a racially charged comment to a fan who asked him to give a congratulatory message to his new fiancée

Video was filmed in 2013, but the fan decided to release it publicly due to controversy of race in the NFL and the country

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5094133/Video-emerges-showing-Jerry-Jones-making-shocking-comment.html#ixzz4yjHHyDH6
   1908. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 17, 2017 at 05:08 PM (#5578234)
Trump has added 5 names to his Supreme Court list:
Amy Coney Barrett is a Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. Prior to her appointment in 2017, Judge Barrett was the Diane and M.O. Miller, II Research Chair in Law and Professor of Law at Notre Dame Law School. Judge Barrett also served as a law clerk to Justice Antonin Scalia of the Supreme Court of the United States and to Judge Laurence H. Silberman of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. Judge Barrett is a magna cum laude graduate of Rhodes College and a summa cum laude graduate of Notre Dame Law School.

Britt C. Grant is a Justice of the Supreme Court of Georgia. Prior to her appointment in 2017, Justice Grant served as the Solicitor General of the State of Georgia and as a partner at Kirkland & Ellis LLP. Justice Grant served as law clerk to Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, is a summa cum laude graduate of Wake Forest University, and graduated with distinction from Stanford Law School.

Brett M. Kavanaugh is a Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. Before his appointment in 2006, Judge Kavanaugh was a partner at Kirkland & Ellis LLP, served as Assistant to the President and Staff Secretary, and was a lawyer in the White House Counsel’s Office and in the Solicitor General’s Office. Judge Kavanaugh also served as a law clerk to Justice Anthony M. Kennedy of the Supreme Court of the United States, to Judge Alex Kozinski of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, and to Judge Walter K. Stapleton of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Judge Kavanaugh is a cum laude graduate of Yale College and Yale Law School.

Kevin C. Newsom is a Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit. Prior to his appointment in 2017, he was a partner and chair of the appellate practice group at Bradley Arant Boult Cummings LLP. He previously served as the Solicitor General of the State of Alabama. Judge Newsom also served as a law clerk to Justice David H. Souter of the Supreme Court of the United States and to Judge Diarmuid F. O’Scannlain of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Judge Newsom is a summa cum laude graduate of Samford University and a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School.

Patrick Wyrick is a Justice of the Supreme Court of Oklahoma. Prior to his appointment in 2017, he served for six years as the Solicitor General of the State of Oklahoma. He also served as a law clerk to Judge James H. Payne of the United States District Courts for the Eastern and Northern Districts of Oklahoma. Justice Wyrick graduated from the University of Oklahoma and from the University of Oklahoma School of Law with distinction.

The complete current list is here. Perhaps the President is just trolling Justice Ginsburg, but I don't believe he has even offered her the Ambassador to New Zealand job she so highly covets. Some have suggested that this is another signal to Justice Kennedy that if the 81-year old Justice were to retire his replacement would meet with his approval. In any case, I wouldn't expect any retirements before the Court's term ends in June.
   1909. OCF Posted: November 17, 2017 at 05:12 PM (#5578237)
There's a large difference between evidence sufficient to support conviction for a crime and evidence sufficient to say that I would prefer not to have that person represent me in the Senate.

Of course, I am talking about Bob Menendez. From what I've seen it looks like most of the established New Jersey Democrats are supporting Menendez for re-election. Seriously? I've got to assume that if no D emerges to take him out in the primary (and there must be some perfectly cromulent mayors or state senators or such out there), then Menendez would be at serious jeopardy in a general election even in an otherwise favorable environment.

(Other than that: the evidence seems to show that Roy Moore is a seriously weird and creepy dude; the evidence seems to show that Al Franken is a garden variety jackass. Not really in the same territory.)
   1910. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 17, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5578238)
She wuz robbed!!!

Clinton: There are ‘lots of questions’ about legitimacy of Trump’s election

Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton says there are still a number of questions surrounding the legitimacy of the 2016 presidential election due to Russian interference in the race.

"I think there are lots of questions about (the election's) legitimacy and we don't have a method for contesting that in our system. That's why I've long advocated for an independent commission to get to the bottom of what happened," Clinton told Mother Jones in an interview published Friday.

"This is the first time we've ever been attacked by a foreign adversary, and then they suffer no real consequences, and so I'm worried that we're not learning all of the lessons," she continued. "The forces at work outside of my campaign are not going away. Somebody else is going to be running for Congress or governor or eventually president. We've got to know how to protect ourselves."

"I think as we learn more about it, we know that the web of connections between people on Trump's team and Russian representatives just gets more dense," she added.
   1911. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 17, 2017 at 05:28 PM (#5578240)
Ray, #1735:
Incidentally, I saw [Sarah Silverman’s] standup a couple years ago. We were at Gotham in NYC and she surprised the audience with a set wherein she went over new material. She picked on a father from Canada who was with his young son who looked around 18. Asked them some questions and then hit the dad with c-i-m "jokes" about him and his son that weren't funny but at least were disgusting and humiliating. Way to go, Sarah, you Champion.


Sarah Silverman's style and subject matter are such that when she misses, it makes a louder thud than most comedians. (I might also say most lesser comedians.) But when her jokes land, they're simply phenomenal.

I wasn't there with you, so I'll take your word for it that she did poorly that night. Even though your "what's funny-ometer" frequently spins sideways off its axle while shooting out hot yellow sparks.



Perros, #1805:
Franken having to publicly confess to being unfunny to avoid a show trial satisfies my sense of justice.


Franken’s already done that many times since entering politics, beginning with his initial Senate run when he was apologizing for specific 30-year-old SNL sketches. It's Kabuki Theater 101. And Anthony Weiner promised to give up lower torso selfies, and Donald Trump loves the Bible.


As for Louis C.K. and to a much lesser extent Al Franken: Within the world of standup comedy, comedians are socially encouraged to misbehave in extreme, amusingly sociopathic ways. Robin Williams got endless grief for stealing other people's jokes, but he probably never again had to pay for his own cocaine from 1978 onwards.

I don’t believe most of the protestations of ignorance about Louis C.K. we've heard from people like Jon Stewart; note that Sarah Silverman didn't put on a "shocked" act. But I could be wrong in any particular case (like, for instance, Jon Stewart's). He had long hours behind the scenes at “The Daily Show,” and some people are really, authentically oblivious about some things. The cutesy-pie "what's an internet?" act didn't do Stewart any credit, though.

Still, his protestations are a billion times more credible than those of Louis C.K.’s longtime (and now ex-) manager, who was absolutely blindsided-- blindsided, I tells ya.
I heard the story third-hand... I misperceived the casual way the story was portrayed to me... Until last week, I knew only of this one isolated incident. Although this may sound naïve, it is true. Never once, in all of these years, did anyone mention any of the other incidents that were reported recently — I am appalled to learn of these.


Ray, #1747:
It's true that Andy is simultaneously "both the fiercest critic and fiercest proponent of whataboutism." It's fun to watch, though.


Well said, tireless enemy of preening and virtue signalling.
   1912. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: November 17, 2017 at 05:47 PM (#5578243)
Setting aside how horrible LCK's conduct was for the women, can someone explain what was in it for *him*? I don't understand why it was a thing for him -- or anyone who engages in this.

Fetishes are fetishes. They don't have to make any particular sense for people to get things out of them. Exhibitionism in various forms is certainly one of the more common ones. So it shouldn't really raise too many eyebrows that somebody is really into it.
Though obviously, no matter what floats your boat, there are lines you can't cross, and you need to make sure everything is going down among fully consenting adults.

Not my thing mind you, but what percentage of porn features the male finishing on rather than in the female? I'm no psychologist, but it seems to me to be much like a dog peeing on a fire hydrant: an attempt to mark your territory.

That has more to do with the fact that it is simply a much better visual. Porn is made for the pleasure of the viewers, not that of the actors. Finishing inside another person does nothing for the viewer, because they can't really see it happening. I mean half the things they do in porn are pretty stupid/uncomfortable/not pleasurable for the actors, but are just done to give the camera a good shot of the action. There is a reason it is called a cum-shot... because it is about getting the shot.
   1913. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: November 17, 2017 at 05:57 PM (#5578244)
In re CK and why: why do people sext?
   1914. Jack Keefe Posted: November 17, 2017 at 06:12 PM (#5578246)
Why do people sext Al. First let us defy our Terms. A Sext Al is when you send a photo of your Wedding Tackle to a lady. Suppose you know the lady Al. She likes the site. Why the hell would you not send it Al.

Any way the Male Equip Meant is a wondrous Item. Half the guys in a Locker Room will sport different models on the same Ground Plan. Some have a Four Skin Al. Some have had a trim and not just the Jews only Ozzie Guillen said I must say Iran Deal Opposing Americans. Some guys Loquats hang lower on the Left and some on the Right and others go up and down like Yo Yos. But I amm getting Off Tapas Al.

Now suppose you do not know the Young Fee Male. You send a picture of Big Tony Weener and his twin boys. Say she shreeks Al. But what are you gong to do. You could spend all night on Twitter or Tender or Grumbler or you could take the Dreck Approach. In a certain percentage of Occcarsion this will work Out. Imn a certain persencage you will end up on Daytime TV or a Jail Sell. Some think life is too Sharp Al to spend in the Flatly Club licking Stamps all weekend in hopes of meeting your Mait.
   1915. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: November 17, 2017 at 06:17 PM (#5578247)
Of course, I am talking about Bob Menendez. From what I've seen it looks like most of the established New Jersey Democrats are supporting Menendez for re-election. Seriously? I've got to assume that if no D emerges to take him out in the primary (and there must be some perfectly cromulent mayors or state senators or such out there), then Menendez would be at serious jeopardy in a general election even in an otherwise favorable environment.


Which drives me absolutely bonkers and makes me want to scream. I'll grant some smug satisfaction in flaunting moral superiority over Clapper, but FFS...

Hung jury or not - I read enough about the case for it to be entirely clear to me that even if it may not meet the criminal standard for conviction (and frankly, I'm not so sure it doesn't, were I on the jury but I'll admit that I haven't been following it THAT closely and since the OTP is so lawyer-infested, I'll grant such things can be more complicated than you read in the news), it's reaches my 'Bye Felicia' standard.

I've heard Rush Holt might be interested - though I think he's around 70, he'd be the guy I'd back.
   1916. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 17, 2017 at 06:18 PM (#5578248)
Huffington Post has an article about sexual harassment of teenage campaign volunteers for the Hillary Clinton & Bernie Sanders campaigns. In what seems like an "interesting" editorial decision, they name the accusers, and provide considerable detail about the incidents of harassment, but don't name the alleged harassers. If the article is solid enough to publish, how do you justify not naming the harassers? In today's environment? Curious if that becomes an issue, although I don't suppose the press watchdogs have that much interest in the Huffington Post these days.
   1917. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 17, 2017 at 06:27 PM (#5578250)
Which drives me absolutely bonkers and makes me want to scream. I'll grant some smug satisfaction in flaunting moral superiority over Clapper …

What are you talking about? I wouldn't vote for Bob Menendez either!

You'd think there'd be a graft-free, beyond-reproach Democrat ambitious enough to challenge Menendez in the primary, but I'm reminded that we are discussing New Jersey.
   1918. zack Posted: November 17, 2017 at 06:35 PM (#5578253)
In what seems like an "interesting" editorial decision, they name the accusers, and provide considerable detail about the incidents of harassment, but don't name the alleged harassers.

To what end? The harassers are probably nobodies (one at least was another student) low in the campaign. The story is that the organizations didn't handle the reports properly, not that the harassment happened in the first place, unless it was by a public figure.

Any organization of that size is going to experience harassment, you'd expect political campaigns to handle it better than that, though it can't be easy in loose networks.
   1919. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: November 17, 2017 at 06:46 PM (#5578254)
That has more to do with the fact that it is simply a much better visual. Porn is made for the pleasure of the viewers, not that of the actors. Finishing inside another person does nothing for the viewer, because they can't really see it happening. I mean half the things they do in porn are pretty stupid/uncomfortable/not pleasurable for the actors, but are just done to give the camera a good shot of the action. There is a reason it is called a cum-shot... because it is about getting the shot.


Well, this makes no sense to me. I mean, yeah - I've seen Boogie Nights (good movie!) - so I understand the concept, but maybe being "of that age" almost entirely in the era of cable TV, VCRs, and the internet has spoiled me.

Did people used to, ummm, time their cinematic experiences so as to achieve maximum experience in consort with the on-screen action back when it required putting on a trench coat, pulling a hat down low, and trekking to a theater?

Maybe SBB is right about the decline, but I think I'll go with preferring the click + click + click at my own pace, thank you very much. Pacing is for partners, on my own dime and time - it's my schedule and my rules.
   1920. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 17, 2017 at 06:53 PM (#5578256)
To what end? The harassers are probably nobodies (one at least was another student) low in the campaign. The story is that the organizations didn't handle the reports properly, not that the harassment happened in the first place, unless it was by a public figure.

Not naming the harassers makes it much easier for them to just move on to the next campaign and harass again. Indeed, the article indicates that the harasser fired by the Clinton campaign in Colorado had been hired within a month for Hillary's campaign in another [unnamed!] state. If the article is based on solid reporting, which would seem to be essential in order to publish it, the identity of the harasser seems newsworthy. In what context does a legitimate news organization omit the known identity of a key participant in a newsworthy event? Not many.
   1921. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: November 17, 2017 at 07:01 PM (#5578258)
But the person you're describing is Dan Schneider, who produces about 90% of the shows on Nickelodeon, as far as I can tell from my kids' viewing habits.

Not to mention being the dorky across-the-street neighbor kid in the classic film Better Off Dead.
   1922. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 17, 2017 at 07:05 PM (#5578261)
Lena Dunham, get your house in order:

An actress claims a writer and executive producer for the TV show “Girls” raped her when she was 17, according to a new report.

Aurora Perrineau — the 23-year-old daughter of “Lost” star Harold Perrineau and an actress in her own right — filed a police report Friday alleging that filmmaker and screenwriter Murray Miller sexually assaulted her in LA in 2012, The Wrap reports.

“I woke up in Murray’s bed naked. He was on top of me having sexual intercourse with me. At no time did I consent to any sexual contact with Murray,” she said in a statement for a polygraph test she took in September, the site reports.
   1923. Joe Bivens Recognizes the Kenyan Precedent Posted: November 17, 2017 at 07:19 PM (#5578266)
Aren't polygraph tests "yes" or "no"? I'm not doubting she was raped. Just saying.
   1924. Lassus Posted: November 17, 2017 at 07:19 PM (#5578267)
Dunham has always been awful and this would be additional unsurprising confirmation of her awfulness.

Also, someone has obviously sincerely missed their calling and needs to be working for TMZ at this point.
   1925. Hot Wheeling American Posted: November 17, 2017 at 07:26 PM (#5578269)
Did Dunham know about the alleged rape when employing that guy on her now finished television show?
   1926. Greg K Posted: November 17, 2017 at 07:51 PM (#5578275)
Man, Lost first aired 13 years ago?

I think I'll have to retire my amusing tendency to conflate the Incident and the Incident when I teach the English Civil War. Students will have no idea what I'm referring to.

EDIT: Hmm, the brackets seem to get deleted in the link, so neither leads anywhere...but trust me, there are two incidents!
   1927. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 17, 2017 at 08:20 PM (#5578277)
Murray Miller was a writer-producer on "Girls" from 2013 to 2017. The described incident occurred in 2012. The woman (then 17 yo) met Murray at a bar, not at a studio shoot or anything else supervised by Dunham.

"Girls" existed in 2012 but Miller was not yet associated with the show. He was an "American Dad" writer-producer in 2012. But The New York Post's Page Six doesn't dislike Seth McFarlane as much as it dislikes Lena Dunham. And neither do Page Six's devoted fans.
   1928. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: November 17, 2017 at 08:20 PM (#5578278)
Not to mention being the dorky across-the-street neighbor kid in the classic film Better Off Dead.
Sorry your mom blew up, Ricky.
   1929. Omineca Greg Posted: November 17, 2017 at 08:36 PM (#5578280)
Did people used to, ummm, time their cinematic experiences so as to achieve maximum experience in consort with the on-screen action back when it required putting on a trench coat, pulling a hat down low, and trekking to a theater?


When I was kid, the closest theatre to my house showed Star Wars for 13 months!

We all thought that we were very lucky indeed to have the coolest theatre in all of Vancouver. I saw Star Wars 5 times, which seems self-indulgent, but Danny L. said he saw it 37 times, but we all thought he was a liar because he said he owned 19 dogs...but nobody ever saw them and when you went to his house he said they were all out for a walk, but his brother and his parents would all be at home, and then he would say they hired a dogwalker to take them out, which seemed unlikely because they always bought Town House brand products (including the ketchup and the Worcestershire sauce (can you imagine trying to save ten cents on Worcestershire sauce?)), so we didn't think they had enough money to hire a dogwalker. Even when we were little kids we were streetwise like that.

Anyway, after 13 months of the greatest movie ever, all the kids were wondering what the theatre would finally replace Star Wars with. It was bound to be anti-climatic, we thought. Then one day they took down the lettering off the marquee using a giant magnetic stick. All the neighbourhood kids, when they heard the lettering was coming down, we all got on our bikes and rode to the theatre to see what the new movie would be. It seemed like it took forever to take those letters down. When they had taken all the letters down, they didn't put up any replacements; instead they put up a picture of a panther. In BC, the panther meant that no kids would be allowed inside the theatre. Ever. Just adults.

What a rip! When the Saturday paper came, I always checked to see what movie they would be showing. I can't remember all the titles, Debbie was always doing somewhere (which didn't even make sense, people do things, not places. That movie had to be stupid!), and they had one about the Watergate informant (boring!), and no matter what, the ad in the paper always had a picture of a woman who had forgotten to put on her clothes, but luckily the guy who put the ad in the paper put big black dots on the parts she would be most embarrassed to have strange men see. Back before the decline really got going, printers were thoughtful like that.

So far, this as all been pretty bog standard stuff. But I've saved the best for last.

In the ad with the panther and the black dotted woman, there was a coupon.

The coupon was: 2 for 1 corndogs.

It never made sense to me at the time, and now that I am a sophisticated man of the world, it makes even less sense to me now.

What kind of ####### weirdo would go and watch porn, and want to eat corndogs? It wasn't a half price corndog, you had to buy the first one to get the free one. Were people going with their friends? Who wants to put a corndog in their mouth (while holding on to another corndog with their other hand, just kind of waving it around like a sparkler or a glowstick) while watching graphic uncut hardcore action. I watch porn from time to time at home, and I have never, not once, said to myself (you see, I'm not watching porn with other people, I'm doing it by myself), "You know what would hit the spot right about now? A corndog!" And never, ever, ever, ever, have I said to myself, "Wow, I could really do with TWO corndogs, that would be incredible!"

And you couldn't just go to the porn theatre and ask for the corndog deal. You had to clip the coupon. As if I'd go ask my mom for porn theatre corndog coupon clipping scissors, "Hey mom, I need some scissors, my allowance is so small, and I need some corndogs at a fantastic deal!"

The thing that made me mad though, was that the corndog deal only started after they had finished showing Star Wars. I could have had 10 corndogs for the price of 5, or (because Star Wars is something you do see with a friend), I could have had 5 half price corndogs, as long as my companion liked corndogs. Danny L. could have had 74 corndogs, I mean, if he weren't such a liar.
   1930. zenbitz Posted: November 17, 2017 at 08:37 PM (#5578281)
When I was in grad school in the 90's there was talk about taxing tuition stipends.


It's a nothing burger beyond taxing private Universities. Students can't and won't pay it.
   1931. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 17, 2017 at 08:58 PM (#5578284)
Hmm, the brackets seem to get deleted in the link, so neither leads anywhere...but trust me, there are two incidents!

But we were promised something amusing. So disappointing.
   1932. PreservedFish Posted: November 17, 2017 at 09:24 PM (#5578288)
I've always had a sense that pornography in the 70s was a kind of cultural event and that people would attend showings not just to masturbate but as an artistic experience. That intellectuals would discuss the likes of Deepthroat in the same conversation as the latest Bergman and Fellini flick.

Porno Chic

So, why not corn dogs?
   1933. greenback wears sandals on his head Posted: November 17, 2017 at 09:55 PM (#5578294)
Also, someone has obviously sincerely missed their calling and needs to be working for TMZ at this point.

Paul Ryan owes Roy Moore and Al Franken a cut of his PAC money. It's mind-boggling that this tax redistribution scheme has been passed by the House, and has a shot at passing the Senate. Welcome to the populism of the 21st century.
   1934. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 17, 2017 at 09:56 PM (#5578295)
#1932:
Intellectuals would discuss the likes of Deep Throat in the same conversation as the latest Bergman and Fellini flick.


The term is "jizz en scène."
   1935. Lassus Posted: November 17, 2017 at 10:07 PM (#5578296)
Murray Miller was a writer-producer on "Girls" from 2013 to 2017. The described incident occurred in 2012. The woman (then 17 yo) met Murray at a bar, not at a studio shoot or anything else supervised by Dunham. "Girls" existed in 2012 but Miller was not yet associated with the show. He was an "American Dad" writer-producer in 2012. But The New York Post's Page Six doesn't dislike Seth McFarlane as much as it dislikes Lena Dunham. And neither do Page Six's devoted fans.

WHOOPS.

I was in the middle of four things and I actually thought that the accusation was against DUNHAM when I wrote my previous comment. Sorry, Lena. (P.S. I still think you're kinda awful.)
   1936. Omineca Greg Posted: November 17, 2017 at 10:15 PM (#5578297)
So, why not corn dogs?


If "corn dogs" is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

Unless the question is, "What do they call 'pogos' outside of Canada?"

This board is so liberal. All I do is put forth the sensible, small "c" conservative suggestion that one shouldn't combine deep fried, corn meal battered hot dogs on a stick and the consumption of porn, and people come out of the woodwork with the, "Marcello Mastroianni, he was with Faye Dunaway, Catherine Deneuve, Ursula Andress, so he knows a lot more about it than you do, Greg."

And I'm like, "I don't see what this has to do with corn dogs..."

And everyone else is all, "Claudia Cardinale, Greg." "Oh, yeah, good point, good point.", everybody chimes in.

And I'm like, "Corn dogs, funnel cakes, caramel apples, cotton candy, none of that stuff is good with porn. It's the way I was brought up."

"Anouk Aimée", inevitably followed by "Ohhh...sick burn! Conservative fair-food killjoy prude is left speechless."

"I'm not really speechless, it's just that..."

"Lauren Hutton"..."Ohhh, you sunk his battleship! KA-BOOM!"

"I'll just go now."

"Don't let the door hit you on the way out!"

I don't even know why I try.

   1937. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 17, 2017 at 10:19 PM (#5578298)
When I was in grad school in the 90's there was talk about taxing tuition stipends.


It's a nothing burger beyond taxing private Universities. Students can't and won't pay it.


I fully expect Republicans to try taxing scholarships.
   1938. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 17, 2017 at 10:41 PM (#5578301)
Lassus, #1935:
Murray Miller was a writer-producer on "Girls" from 2013 to 2017. The described incident occurred in 2012. The woman (then 17 yo) met Murray at a bar, not at a studio shoot or anything else supervised by Dunham. "Girls" existed in 2012 but Miller was not yet associated with the show. He was an "American Dad" writer-producer in 2012. But The New York Post's Page Six doesn't dislike Seth McFarlane as much as it dislikes Lena Dunham. And neither do Page Six's devoted fans.

WHOOPS.
I was in the middle of four things and I actually thought that the accusation was against DUNHAM when I wrote my previous comment. Sorry, Lena. (P.S. I still think you're kinda awful.)



The Post's report is maybe half a step up from those clickbait headlines about "Walking Dead actor charged with murder!" where it turns out to be someone from a single episode who played one of the zombies. But Page Six knows its audience.
   1939. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: November 17, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5578302)
I've always had a sense that pornography in the 70s was a kind of cultural event and that people would attend showings not just to masturbate but as an artistic experience.

Er, not always.

BITD, 1973 to be exact, my ex-GF and I were touring the East Coast with among other things, a 16-film compilation we called "An Orgy of Cartoons: 69 Years of Sex, Violence, and General Bad Taste in Animation.

The kicker was that it was really nothing of the kind, but in fact was a chronological compendium of classic cartoons ranging from Melies' Trip to the Moon (1902) to Lenny Bruce's Thank You Mask Man (1971), with others like Donald Duck's Moving Day, Bugs Bunny's What's Opera, Doc?, and one (1) actual stag cartoon from the 30's, a short called Pecker Island, featuring a character known as "Ever Ready Hardon". Of course in describing these cartoons, we made them all sound vaguely pornographic, and as a result we'd sometimes see our ads censored by various snowflake campus groups, who were around in the 70's as they are today, if not quite as powerful. Of course that only increased the attendance for the show, as anyone with half a brain could have figured out.

Anyway, one weekend I was running another program at the University of Maryland, while my GF was renting the cartoon "orgy" to the old Paramount Theater in downtown Charlottesville, and down there it drew something like 2000 people for the midnight show. Nice way to make a living, even if not strictly on the up-and-up; we didn't exactly have the legal rights to most of those cartoons.

But what made my weekend wasn't the money. It was when my GF called me up on Sunday morning to report the gross, and told me that about 2 or 3 cartoons into the show, about a dozen men had come storming out of the theater, demanding refunds on the grounds of "false advertising". Naturally she was wondering what that was all about, but when she asked the theater manager, he just smiled and said, "Oh, them. We call them the 'old men with newspapers'. They actually thought this was a porno show, and they couldn't find anything to jack off to!" I've always cherished idiomatic euphemisms the way that some people cherish memories of perfect summer nights, and that "old men with newspapers" line is one I'll never forget.
   1940. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: November 17, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5578303)
Not quite as good as the story about George Brett's counterfeit poop pants, Greg, but keep those Worthwhile Canadian Initiatives a-coming.
   1941. zenbitz Posted: November 17, 2017 at 11:19 PM (#5578304)
Lenny Bruce's Thank You Mask Man (1971)


This stuff seems so quaint now. And I am pretty sure you could basically run a cartoon of "Deep Throat" as an episode of Family Guy and no one would bat an eyelash.
   1942. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: November 17, 2017 at 11:30 PM (#5578305)
Lenny Bruce's Thank You Mask Man (1971)

This stuff seems so quaint now. And I am pretty sure you could basically run a cartoon of "Deep Throat" as an episode of Family Guy and no one would bat an eyelash.


That Bruce cartoon may seem quaint (though still kind of funny) to you and me, but there'd be hell to pay for any campus film society that tried showing that cartoon today, for reasons too obvious to need explanation.
   1943. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: November 18, 2017 at 01:38 AM (#5578309)
I fully expect Republicans to try taxing scholarships.


Wouldn't surprise me at this point. Republicans know all about the exit polls showing that people with college degrees favor Democrats and that those with graduate degrees strongly favor Democrats. So it's in their interest to prevent people from going to college. I have a few friends who are in grad school and they've been posting a lot lately about how badly the tax plan is going to screw them over if it passes. I honestly think it's more likely to not pass than to pass at this point since the bill is about as popular as the ACA repeal was, but who knows? The Koch brothers are awfully powerful.
   1944. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 18, 2017 at 01:41 AM (#5578310)
In overlooked presidential scandals news, one-time Lyndon Johnson protege Bobby Baker, who amassed a multi-million dollar fortune on a salary that never exceeded $19,600, before getting caught up in an influence-peddling scandal that led to convictions for tax evasion, theft, and fraud, has died.
   1945. Lassus Posted: November 18, 2017 at 07:49 AM (#5578315)
Ketchup & mayo on ice cream.

Granted, it is England.


Speaking of, Greg K, I have your book. I am going to attempt to read it this week before I send it to you as a finder's fee. Unless you need or want it for a class in which case I'll send it straight off, no worries, let me know.
   1946. Greg K Posted: November 18, 2017 at 08:13 AM (#5578317)
Speaking of, Greg K, I have your book. I am going to attempt to read it this week before I send it to you as a finder's fee. Unless you need or want it for a class in which case I'll send it straight off, no worries, let me know.

Thanks again!

No worries on the haste. I won't even be at that address until Christmas.

It's not quite John Adamson's Noble Revolt (an action packed 800-page breeze through Charles' last year as undisputed King), but it is the definitive book on Charles I we currently have.

Plus I'll always have a soft spot for Richard Cust, because in my undergrad Honours defence I referred to him as "Jack Cust", then had to spend a minute or two explaining who that was to some bewildered academics.
   1947. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 18, 2017 at 09:28 AM (#5578323)
But the person you're describing is Dan Schneider, who produces about 90% of the shows on Nickelodeon, as far as I can tell from my kids' viewing habits.


That's the guy. (a Reddit thread where it's mentioned)

Other sites have started publishing hints/whispers, but it's been around in the business for a while.

   1948. greenback wears sandals on his head Posted: November 18, 2017 at 09:54 AM (#5578324)
Going back to #1908, like the Cardinals fan that I am:
Trump has added 5 names to his Supreme Court list:

I know Trump hasn't accomplished much, so he's got to re-live the glory of Gorsuch, but releasing names of not-pending judicial appointments seems odd. "Hey, guys, pick my side when I get sued, and you can be on SCOTUS!" Not a good look that GOP shills are oblivious to such concerns.
   1949. dog poop god Posted: November 18, 2017 at 10:09 AM (#5578325)
Louis CK might have saved himself a lot of trouble if, before zipping up, he had inquired, "Was it as good for you as it was for me?"
   1950. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: November 18, 2017 at 10:19 AM (#5578327)
[1948] And it’s not like he’s going to need 5 names. There’s no way he gets a chance to appoint that many. Unless he also wants to relive the glory days of The Apprentice and invite his list to partake in a reality show where the winner gets a spot on the Supreme Court and he gets to tell the losers they’re fired.
   1951. Lassus Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:11 AM (#5578332)
   1952. PreservedFish Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:15 AM (#5578334)
And it’s not like he’s going to need 5 names.

This seems like a silly objection.
   1953. Swoboda is freedom Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5578335)


I fully expect Republicans to try taxing scholarships.


I think taxing all benefits would be a good idea. Benefits are a huge thing, and mostly go to middle class and up. Health insurance is income, as is a lot of this stuff. Lower taxes somewhere else and taxing benefits would be a great step.

I am not saying it wouldn't have consequences, but the detail could be worked through. Remember all the talk of taxing Cadillac health plans.
   1954. Swoboda is freedom Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:22 AM (#5578338)
And it’s not like he’s going to need 5 names.


Well Trump always said he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave, and his popularity wouldn't go down. Maybe he meant Ginsberg and Kagan. After he shoots one, the others will get the message and quickly resign.
   1955. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:46 AM (#5578344)
Remember all the talk of taxing Cadillac health plans.


Which has never been more than just talk. This is actually in a bill that's passed the House. And at least the Cadillac tax had something of a point if you squinted. What's the benefit of making people who are living on $25k stipends pay tax on $80k? That's going to be an effective tax rate of more than 30% on take-home pay.

Of course, unless Congress also changes a bunch of other stuff in the tax code, Universities will be able to create work-arounds by changing what they call the waivers and how they account for them.
   1956. dog poop god Posted: November 18, 2017 at 12:12 PM (#5578352)

Some representative graphics for SBB.

That trigger warning came too late, but it's not like I can become more disgusted with Congress.

She's well acquainted with the touch of the velvet hand like a lizard on a window pane.

The man in the crowd with the multi-colored mirrors on his hobnail boots.

Lying with his eyes while his hands are busy working overtime.
   1957. BDC Posted: November 18, 2017 at 12:23 PM (#5578354)
taxing tuition stipends

The House bill indeed taxes tuition waivers. Ethan Siegel in Forbes has a good analysis of the impact, which would hit STEM graduate programs much harder than any other element of higher ed, simply because that's where the money already is. I imagine some elements of the right are already chortling at the prospect of Womyn's Studies / Art Herstory programs being crushed at last, but they may not be so happy to have crushed engineering schools in the process.

I think, as cercopithecus says, that universities would work around this by simply not charging tuition to students in certain programs, or similar accounting gimmick. But if implemented as designed, the bill would ravage STEM research. Of course it would also have the effect of sending a lot of foreign students home, which would delight some on the right. But of course those are the very meritorious immigrants the right is supposedly in favor of. It's a quandary.
   1958. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 18, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5578358)
would also have the effect of sending a lot of foreign students home


And a lot of US students abroad.
   1959. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 18, 2017 at 12:47 PM (#5578362)
. . . but releasing names of not-pending judicial appointments seems odd. "Hey, guys, pick my side when I get sued, and you can be on SCOTUS!" Not a good look that GOP shills are oblivious to such concerns.

Names of possible SCOTUS nominees are bandied about with every new Administration, or any time a vacancy appears at all possible, and every District Court Judge knows that the path to elevation to a higher court starts with being highly regarded by the Administration making the appointments. Trump's list just formalizes things a bit, and for the relatively few potential cases where the President could be directly involved, recusal is an option.
   1960. dog poop god Posted: November 18, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5578364)
How would the govt collect the stipend tax?
   1961. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 18, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5578366)
Same way they collect tax on other income. They could easily require Universities to report the waivers on W-2s and withhold from those amounts.

But like I said, absent other changes to the tax code schools could just charge the tuition instead of waiving it and award offsetting non-taxable fellowships.
   1962. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 18, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5578372)
One can debate how office holders should respond to the Al Franken mess, but I suspect few will go this route - Candidate For Governor Claims To Have Bedded 50 Women:
Ohio Supreme Court Justice Bill O'Neill, a Democratic candidate for governor, apparently trying to head off any criticisms from his opponents, revealed what he says are his sexual escapades over the years on a Facebook post.

A post on O'Neill's official Facebook said he was speaking up "on behalf of all heterosexual males" after allegations against Democratic U.S. Sen. Al Franken came to light Thursday. O'Neill, a Chagrin Falls native, said he had been "sexually intimate" with "approximately 50 very attractive females."
. . .
O'Neill also defended Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, who is facing allegations of sexual harassment from seven women, including molesting a 14-year-old girl.

O'Neill is already taking serious flak for staying on the Ohio Supreme Court after announcing his candidacy for political office, but this might distract attention from that issue.
   1963. zenbitz Posted: November 18, 2017 at 01:17 PM (#5578373)
How many uggos?
   1964. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: November 18, 2017 at 01:21 PM (#5578374)
but I suspect few will go this route


I also suspect we won't be hearing from a bunch of unattractive women claiming to have slept with O'Neill.
   1965. BDC Posted: November 18, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5578379)
Not exactly the Mark Grace of the Ohio Supreme Court, then. But perhaps he was never in a slump.
   1966. Swoboda is freedom Posted: November 18, 2017 at 02:13 PM (#5578381)

O'Neill is already taking serious flak for staying on the Ohio Supreme Court after announcing his candidacy for political office, but this might distract attention from that issue.

I think he really missed the point on this one. Disclosure doesn't mean this.

Reminds me of the Mo Udall story. He ran for President in 1976. After Watergate, many of the candidates were trying to disclose more things. Mo revealed that he only had 1 testicle. The media following him decided that he should have a new campaign slogan. "Vote for Udall: He's got ball."
   1967. Greg K Posted: November 18, 2017 at 02:38 PM (#5578387)
It sure helped Horatio Nelson's public image.

Of course, he took it a bit too far, and went with the one eye, and one arm angle too. Eventually he just ran out of body parts.
   1968. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 18, 2017 at 02:41 PM (#5578388)
It looks like the initial response to the comments by Judge O'Neill mentioned in #1962 is decidedly unfavorable, judging by the editorial reaction of the state's largest newspaper - Bill O'Neill Is Unfit For Any Public Office:
An appallingly crude and tone-deaf Facebook post by Ohio Supreme Court Justice William O'Neill, who recently announced he is running as a Democrat for governor, makes it dramatically clear that he is unfit for either public office. He ought to step down from the bench and withdraw from the race for governor.
. . ,
It's ridiculous for O'Neill, who sits on the bench of the highest court in Ohio, to confuse his love life (which we hope was consensual) with allegations of sexual harassment, sexual assault and pedophilia.

Perhaps if he had some testimonials from the women involved? He might be already working on that. Stay tuned.
   1969. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 18, 2017 at 02:56 PM (#5578392)
Mo revealed that he only had 1 testicle. The media following him decided that he should have a new campaign slogan. "Vote for Udall: He's got ball."

You know who else only had one ball? That's right, Hitler:
Hitler has only got one ball
Göring has got two but they're small
Himmler has something sim'lar
But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all

Good thing Udall wasn't elected.

Actually, Udall would have probably been better than Carter. Funny guy, for a politician.
   1970. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 18, 2017 at 03:01 PM (#5578394)
AC/DC's Malcolm Young has died. Hopefully he is not on the highway to Hell.
   1971. Swoboda is freedom Posted: November 18, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5578399)
AC/DC's Malcolm Young has died. Hopefully he is not on the highway to Hell.

Oh, Hell's Bells.
   1972. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 18, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5578408)
How a conservative group dealt with a fondling charge against a rising GOP star:
On a fall evening two years ago, donors gathered during a conference at a Ritz-Carlton hotel near Washington to raise funds for a 31-year-old candidate for the Ohio legislature who was a rising star in evangelical politics.

Hours later, upstairs in a hotel guest room, an 18-year-old college student who had come to the event with his parents said the candidate unzipped his pants and fondled him in the middle of the night. The frightened teenager fled the room and told his mother and stepfather, who demanded action from the head of the organization hosting the conference.

“If we endorse these types of individuals, then it would seem our whole weekend together was nothing more than a charade,” the stepfather wrote to Tony Perkins, president of the Council for National Policy. “Trust me . . . this will not be ignored nor swept aside,” replied Perkins, who also heads the Family Research Council, a prominent evangelical activist group. “It will be dealt with swiftly, but with prudence.”

The incident, described in emails and documents obtained by The Washington Post, never became public, nor did unspecified prior “similar incidents” Perkins referred to in a letter to candidate Wesley Goodman. The correspondence shows Perkins privately asked Goodman to drop out of the race and suspended him from the council, but Goodman continued his campaign and went on to defeat two fellow Republicans in a hotly contested primary before winning his seat last November.

...In Ohio, supporters of Goodman’s campaign wondered why they were not alerted to his past behavior. “We are so sick of people knowing and doing nothing. If someone knew, they had an obligation to say something. That’s what you do. That’s how you hold society together,” said Thomas R. Zawistowski, president of Ohio Citizens PAC, a conservative group that endorsed Goodman.

Perkins did not respond to emails, phone calls or a message left at the office of the Family Research Council. Goodman declined to comment as did the stepfather, a member of the council who referred questions about the incident to Perkins.
   1973. zenbitz Posted: November 18, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5578409)
Ride On, Malcolm.
   1974. zenbitz Posted: November 18, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5578410)
Oh a day if you are into meta-porn (and yes, you are) look up the video series "porn soup"
   1975. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: November 18, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5578413)
Ride On, Malcolm.


The correct answer, but only because "Night Prowler" is so damn hard to work into a relevant phrase ...
   1976. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 18, 2017 at 05:18 PM (#5578417)
The House bill indeed taxes tuition waivers. Ethan Siegel in Forbes has a good analysis of the impact, which would hit STEM graduate programs much harder than any other element of higher ed, simply because that's where the money already is. I imagine some elements of the right are already chortling at the prospect of Womyn's Studies / Art Herstory programs being crushed at last, but they may not be so happy to have crushed engineering schools in the process.


Conservatives hate science, which is how they cope with being so terrible at it. The party of Creationism would remind you that Noah was the greatest engineer the world ever saw and he never went to some fancy college.
   1977. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 18, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5578418)
Conservatives hate science, which is how they cope with being so terrible at it. The party of Creationism would remind you that Noah was the greatest engineer the world ever saw and he never went to some fancy college.


I believe it was TGF about a year ago who said here that Colleges are a net negative to society.
   1978. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 18, 2017 at 06:52 PM (#5578423)
Politico: The president often decries surveys showing him with slumping support as fake, but advisers say he can't stop himself from obsessively keeping track.
Donald Trump...loves polls—as long as they show him on the upswing. He crowed on Twitter hours after landing back in Washington from his 12-day Asia tour about his Rasmussen number—46 percent—noting it was “one of the most accurate” in 2016, and decried “fake news” polls showing his approval in the 30s while also suggesting, with no evidence, that “some people” think his numbers could be in the 50s. (The Rasmussen poll sank to 42 percent on Friday.)

Aides in the White House often show Trump polls designed to make him feel good, according to aides and advisers. Usually they’re the ones that focus just on voters who cast ballots for him in 2016 or are potential Trump supporters —Trump’s base—but occasionally include public polls like Rasmussen, depending on what the numbers say.

...Trump’s White House...uses polls not just to cheer the president up but to get other Republicans in line. “The polls are about the base,” one adviser said. “He cares about the base.” ...Neil Newhouse, the lead pollster on Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign, said....“I would call this strategic polling where — this is going to sound maybe a little crass — they don’t really care where all Americans stand on the issue of tax reform. Because 35 to 40 percent of Americans are never going to support anything he does,” said Newhouse. “Why should I spend my money trying to find out what they think?”

Concerns grow in the White House when the support slides among voters who picked Trump in 2016, several senior aides and advisers said. Aides in Trump’s political affairs shop shrug off public polls that survey the general public. Most of the public pollsters are seen as “not understanding him,” one senior White House official said. ...Adviser Jared Kushner often tells Trump not to trust traditional data, while former chief White House strategist Steve Bannon used to tell Trump to focus only on the 40 percent or so of Americans who make up his base. ...The numbers Trump are shown are almost always higher than his public polling numbers.

...But while Trump’s aides sometimes go out of their way to give him the rosiest view, Trump himself tracks the Gallup data almost every day, two advisers say, and always knows what the numbers say. When Trump decided to shake up his senior staff this summer, he frequently cited his sinking poll numbers to advisers and friends as a reason he needed to make a change. It means Trump often has a complicated routine of keeping up with polls—which paint a dismal picture, giving him an average approval rating of 38 percent, according to RealClearPolitics—and getting upset privately, while blustering and calling them “fake” in public.
   1979. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: November 18, 2017 at 07:30 PM (#5578425)
[1977] Yup. And polls show that most Republicans agree. The Republican Party has been hemorrhaging college educated voters for the last few years, but they’ve been able to make up for it by picking up uneducated whites attracted to their identity politics. This shift in party preferences will likely hurt them in the midterms.
   1980. dog poop god Posted: November 18, 2017 at 07:40 PM (#5578427)
AC/DC's Malcolm Young has died. Hopefully he is not on the highway to Hell.


Well there may be a Heaven
And there may be a Hell
No one knows for sure
But now Malcolm Young knows damn well
   1981. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 18, 2017 at 08:35 PM (#5578432)
[1977] Yup. And polls show that most Republicans agree.


The Stupids aren't born, they're made. Building a party around science-hating Creationists and global warming denialists takes some effort. In the carefully-cultivated Dittohead bubble of Fox News and Jack Chick tracts, there aren't any libruls around to point out that "If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys" is a very, very stupid question rather than a brilliant insight that would reduce ivory tower pinheads to fits of frothing rage.
   1982. BDC Posted: November 18, 2017 at 09:06 PM (#5578438)
Colleges are a net negative to society

The standard conservative line is that we tenured radicals are indoctrinating youth to become diversity-obsessed socialists (which is a hilarious assertion of professorial power, if you've ever tried to indoctrinate a class to identify a verb phrase or a literary genre).

Conservatives extrapolate from Alterity Studies at some 1,000-enrollment liberal-arts safety school in New England to "The Campus," when the vast, vast majority of American four-year higher-ed consists of business and engineering majors at Standard Issue State. It may be (as is often noted) that business and engineering faculty are somewhat more liberal than practicing businesspeople or engineers; but that does not mean that their students are, or that they carry much "indoctrination" away from their college experience.

   1983. BDC Posted: November 18, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5578439)
And while I'm here: movie of the day, Branagh's Murder on the Orient Express.

Not much politics, though there is a Ty Cobb reference at one point.

Although … Agatha Christie's novels can contain some mild racism and anti-Semitism (sometimes more than mild; one of her biggest successes was of course titled Ten Little N#####s, a title that wasn't even printable in the segregationist United States).

In adaptations like the Albert Finney Orient Express in the '70s, that stuff got airbrushed out. It comes back in Branagh's 2017 film, but in a way that (mildly) represents America as racist and Europe as anti-Semitic, and of course Hercule Poirot as neither. Some elements of history are restored, but in a different proportion to Agatha Christie's.
   1984. Greg K Posted: November 18, 2017 at 09:26 PM (#5578442)
In adaptations like the Albert Finney Orient Express in the '70s, that stuff got airbrushed out. It comes back in Branagh's 2017 film, but in a way that (mildly) represents America as racist and Europe as anti-Semitic, and of course Hercule Poirot as neither. Some elements of history are restored, but in a different proportion to Agatha Christie's.

Not to give the game away, but the bigotry itself is mostly play-acted bigotry (or at least it is heavily implied to be).

EDIT: In other words, the movie manages to nod to the fact that the early 20th century was a racist, bigoted place (as you have to feign it in order to convincingly play a role), without any of the characters themselves actually being bigoted.
   1985. BDC Posted: November 18, 2017 at 10:06 PM (#5578449)
Excellent point, Greg.
   1986. PreservedFish Posted: November 18, 2017 at 10:33 PM (#5578452)
I judge my Christie adaptations primarily by the size of Poirot's mustachio. Thus, this one looks quite promising.
   1987. tshipman Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:08 PM (#5578457)
I judge my Christie adaptations primarily by the size of Poirot's mustachio. Thus, this one looks quite promising.


Wow, strongly disagree. Poirot's mustaches are finely manicured. Brannaugh's cookie duster looks like a sloppy mess.
   1988. PreservedFish Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:21 PM (#5578458)
Finely manicured, sure, but its immensity is frequently noted. The dinky effete mustache in the BBC adaptation was a long-running affront to the mustache of Christie's imagination.
   1989. Lassus Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:26 PM (#5578459)
It's getting positively hammered in all the reviews. The movie AND the mustache.
   1990. PreservedFish Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:45 PM (#5578461)
It's certainly not my dream Poirot mustache, but I applaud Branagh's go big or go home attitude.

I just spent 3 minutes searching google images under "large mustache" and I think this handsome devil has got it almost nailed. Rip that stache off the hipster model and put it on a diminutive roundish Belgian, and now we're talking.
   1991. tshipman Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:48 PM (#5578462)
That is quite good. I view the manicure as being more important than the size. This would be my ideal.
   1992. PreservedFish Posted: November 18, 2017 at 11:58 PM (#5578463)
Yes, the books do talk about him being quite vain, if memory serves me right. I never pictured the handlebars to be quite so florid. I always pictured what was mostly a very thick mustache with two finely waxed upturned tips, but not full loops.

If only this forum had a professor of literature with an insatiable yen for crime and mystery books that could comment on this subject of vital importance.
   1993. Morty Causa Posted: November 19, 2017 at 08:45 AM (#5578468)
Maybe the professor could expound on why it is hardboiled detective stories (The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, Out of the Past) or thriller-suspense based films rather than classic "intellectual" whodunnits that make the best and most memorable movies.
   1994. PreservedFish Posted: November 19, 2017 at 09:35 AM (#5578471)
What's an example of an intellectual whodunnit?
   1995. Morty Causa Posted: November 19, 2017 at 09:43 AM (#5578473)
Elaborate puzzles that appealed to intellectuals in the '20s and '30s especially. John Dickson Carr/Carter Dickson, Ellery Queen, S.S. Van Dine, Rex Stout, Margery Allingham, Georgette Heyer, Ngaio Marsh, Dorothy Sayers, Edmund Crispin, and Agatha herself. Those writers Edmund Wilson had in mind in "Who Cares Who Killed Roger Ackroyd". The whodunnit (and w/ Carr, the howdunnit, too) puzzle is paramount, not psychology or social resonance.
   1996. Omineca Greg Posted: November 19, 2017 at 10:39 AM (#5578480)
What's an example of an intellectual whodunnit?

The Name of the Rose
   1997. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: November 19, 2017 at 10:44 AM (#5578481)
Maybe the professor could expound on why it is hardboiled detective stories (The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, Out of the Past) or thriller-suspense based films rather than classic "intellectual" whodunnits that make the best and most memorable movies.

You might begin by asking how many of those intellectual whodunnits featured Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall, Robert Mitchum or Jane Greer?
   1998. dog poop god Posted: November 19, 2017 at 10:58 AM (#5578487)
Rip that stache off the hipster model and put it on a diminutive roundish Belgian, and now we're talking.

You can take the moustaches off the hipster, but not the hipster off those moustaches.

I view the manicure as being more important than the size


Quite metrosexual.

My moustache hasn't acquired Branaugh's length yet, but is accompanied by full beard.

My American ideal

My Captain does not answer, his lips are pale and still,
My father does not feel my arm, he has no pulse nor will,
The ship is anchor’d safe and sound, its voyage closed and done,
From fearful trip the victor ship comes in with object won;
Exult O shores, and ring O bells!
But I with mournful tread,
Walk the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.



   1999. Omineca Greg Posted: November 19, 2017 at 11:05 AM (#5578489)
Lauren Bacall was so damn sexy; I'm sure Marcello Mastroianni would have dated her if he wasn't so busy dating those other sexy women (and if she weren't married to Jason Robards).
   2000. dog poop god Posted: November 19, 2017 at 11:08 AM (#5578490)
Movies impact is the moving image. A lot of explication kills the dream. Plus Th e Big Sleep, etc., is about things not making sense.
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