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OTP 15 January 2018:Mississippi’s anti-gay marriage law is hurting two college baseball teams

The “stick to sports” mantra took on a life of its own in 2017, as the interweaving of sports and politics was undeniable and, ultimately, angered quite a few sports fans. Still, protests during the national anthem or political tweets by athletes never actually got in the way of the action or stopped games from being played.

But politics have halted a college baseball series between the University of Southern Mississippi and Stony Brook University, a public school in New York. The two schools were scheduled to meet in a three-game series in February, but dueling declarations in each state have now made that series impossible. The kicker? It has absolutely nothing to do with baseball.

 

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   501. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM (#5607805)
Iraq alone basically ensures that Trump couldn't plausibly be worse.


It's over ... it's always been over.
   502. greenback slays lewks Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:17 AM (#5607806)
Had you guys been nicer to the Bush admin and their supporters when it counted perhaps we wouldn't have gotten Trump.

This fallacy needs to be killed, and the land from which it grew needs to be salted. These people live in their own reality. They don't give a #### about whether the coastal elites were nice to them. What set them off was the coastal elites were nice to other people too.
   503. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:19 AM (#5607807)
Had you guys been nicer to the Bush admin and their supporters when it counted perhaps we wouldn't have gotten Trump.

(Though again, it would be quite a feat for Trump to end up as a worse president than Bush. Iraq alone basically ensures that Trump couldn't plausibly be worse.)

So teh libruls were supposed to be nice and not criticize an admittedly super-terrible president, or else boy won't we show them by electing Trump? Great approach to governing a country, that. Totally should be accommodated.
   504. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 17, 2018 at 12:39 AM (#5607812)
The tweet does not cover the full oddness of this story.

Actually, #500 doesn't get to heart of the matter either. Li had the contact info for many of the CIA sources in China, and many of those folks were killed or imprisoned. Looks like the government can't prove he sold, or gave, the info to the Chinese, so at this point he's only charged with Unlawful Retention of National Defense Information. Or maybe additional charges depend on his level of cooperation? More here.
   505. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 17, 2018 at 01:35 AM (#5607815)
[499] Doesn’t there need to be a 60% majority in the senate to pass a budget resolution?
   506. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: January 17, 2018 at 01:43 AM (#5607816)
This fallacy needs to be killed, and the land from which it grew needs to be salted. These people live in their own reality. They don't give a #### about whether the coastal elites were nice to them. What set them off was the coastal elites were nice to other people too.


It's telling I didn't need to see the original post to guess who you were responding to.

My takeaway from lurking in these weekly threads is that Ray isn't so much a Trump supporter as he is someone who takes pleasure in anything that upsets people who even lean a bit to the left. His constant involvement in circular logic arguments in these threads has less to do with an ability to defend Trump (thought admittedly Trump doesn't make it easy most days) than it does with the knowledge that this approach annoys the bejeebus out of the dastardly liberals.
   507. zenbitz Posted: January 17, 2018 at 01:59 AM (#5607817)
Look, Trump cavorting around with porn stars is one of his *most* redeeming features.
   508. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 03:07 AM (#5607823)
Had you guys been nicer to the Bush admin and their supporters when it counted perhaps we wouldn't have gotten Trump.

This fallacy needs to be killed, and the land from which it grew needs to be salted. These people live in their own reality. They don't give a #### about whether the coastal elites were nice to them. What set them off was the coastal elites were nice to other people too


You hippies are so shrill, no wonder you supported the terrorists and hate our troops. All you had to do was shut up and go along for a few years but nooooo, you had to go give aid and comfort to the enemy who hate us and want to kill us because they hate our freedom.
   509. Greg K Posted: January 17, 2018 at 07:27 AM (#5607831)
My takeaway from lurking in these weekly threads is that Ray isn't so much a Trump supporter as he is someone who takes pleasure in anything that upsets people who even lean a bit to the left. His constant involvement in circular logic arguments in these threads has less to do with an ability to defend Trump (thought admittedly Trump doesn't make it easy most days) than it does with the knowledge that this approach annoys the bejeebus out of the dastardly liberals.

I think annoying liberals is the number one motivation for Trump supporters, beyond any particular policy position.

It's a movement based on sticking it to those people that made us feel bad, and everything else is secondary.
   510. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 07:58 AM (#5607833)
I think annoying liberals is the number one motivation for Trump supporters, beyond any particular policy position.


It is a strong secondary motivator for Trump himself as well, at least where Obama is concerned. Good thing when Trump is dumped from office we will be able to use how mean Trump and the GOP were to us in order to raise taxes and everything else and Ray and the others will totally be OK with it.

It seems like Ray is slowing morphing into stretchy, even as stretchy loses all his coherence and disappears.
   511. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2018 at 08:17 AM (#5607835)
A #Girther movement has arisen due to what people consider a laughably false weight measurement for the President.
   512. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 08:18 AM (#5607837)
Nothing to worry about ... nope business as usual ... what is one more "coincidence" ... right?

Democrats grab key Wisconsin Senate seat in Tuesday's special elections


The district has not been good to Democrats in the past. Mitt Romney won the district in 2012 even though he lost the presidential race in Wisconsin and nationally to Barack Obama. Trump crushed Hillary Clinton in the district in the 2016 presidential election and John McCain almost won the district in 2008, despite Obama's easy statewide victory.

Democrats saw Tuesday's victory as a sign they were taking hold of the energy that benefited their party in special elections last year in Alabama, Virginia and Oklahoma.
   513. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 17, 2018 at 08:35 AM (#5607840)
Nothing to worry about ... nope business as usual ... what is one more "coincidence" ... right?

Democrats grab key Wisconsin Senate seat in Tuesday's special elections

The district has not been good to Democrats in the past. Mitt Romney won the district in 2012 even though he lost the presidential race in Wisconsin and nationally to Barack Obama. Trump crushed Hillary Clinton in the district in the 2016 presidential election and John McCain almost won the district in 2008, despite Obama's easy statewide victory.

Democrats saw Tuesday's victory as a sign they were taking hold of the energy that benefited their party in special elections last year in Alabama, Virginia and Oklahoma.

I didn't see it in the above article that you linked to, but it wasn't even close. The Democratic candidate, Patty Schachtner, won by nine points.
   514. Swoboda is freedom Posted: January 17, 2018 at 08:57 AM (#5607844)
A #Girther movement has arisen due to what people consider a laughably false weight measurement for the President.

Not only did they lowball his weight, but they upped his height. He is one pound away from being obese, but that is only if he is 6' 3" tall. He is not that tall. I always saw him listed as 6' 2". I have only seem him in person once, and he seemed shorter than me.
   515. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 08:58 AM (#5607846)
A #Girther movement has arisen due to what people consider a laughably false weight measurement for the President


Well muscle does weigh more than fat.
   516. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:02 AM (#5607847)
In case you were wondering why Juan suddenly reappeared full of pep, Puerto Rican schools are getting electricity!

Gov. Ricardo Rossello had announced a benchmark of restoring 95 percent of power to the island by Dec. 15, but a month later, only 62 percent of customers have power while 80 percent of the grid is generating electricity.


Heck of a job, Tubby.
   517. BrianBrianson Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:27 AM (#5607858)
If Trump's medical report contains a false weight (or possibly, a false height?) is there any reason to believe any of it is reliable?

Of course, weight is a measure of the gravitational force - you weigh less in an elevator, or on the moon, or if you're full of hot air ...
   518. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:29 AM (#5607860)
In all fairness I do want to credit Trump for taking and releasing the test results. I am pretty sure I never called his mental fitness into question - OK, fine I think he is a moron and an idiot savant - but I am glad he took the test and am glad he passed with flying colors.

I still think he is unqualified for the office, but I thought that from the start.
   519. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5607864)
Had you guys been nicer to the Bush admin and their supporters when it counted perhaps we wouldn't have gotten Trump.


Tell you what, Omega Dancing Monkey child: When you get home from your "job", get into your jammies, make some hot cocoa, unscrew some Oreos and watch some cartoons and maybe you'll feel better. #######.
   520. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5607867)
If Trump is 6'2" he weighs 280, minimum.
   521. Shredder Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:37 AM (#5607868)
Nothing to worry about ... nope business as usual ... what is one more "coincidence" ... right?
But really, it is nothing to worry about, because there were some other special elections last night and Republicans won a handful. If you're a hack (like, say, Clapper), you only need to know who won, and remember to pay no attention to any of the details.
And that's not all, per Daniel Nichanian at the University of Chicago, there were three other worrying results for Republicans in state special elections last night — though they still managed to hang onto the following seats in these GOP-heavy areas:

South Carolina's House District 99 had a 15% net swing to Democrats.
Iowa's House District 6 had an 18% net swing to Democrats.
Wisconsin's Assembly District 58 had a 25% net swing to Democrats.
Long way to November, though.
   522. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:40 AM (#5607869)
A party holding majorities in both houses can vote to fund the government whenever it wants. Just not this party holding majorities in both houses. For reasons having nothing to do with that diabolical shutdown-happy minority.
Gonfalon, the Senate filibuster rule means the GOP will need nine Dems to clear the legislation for Trump's signature.
   523. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5607870)
This fallacy needs to be killed, and the land from which it grew needs to be salted. These people live in their own reality. They don't give a #### about whether the coastal elites were nice to them. What set them off was the coastal elites were nice to other people too.
Ray's phrasing was pretty damn goofy but yes, some of us are old enough to remember #WarOnWomen and #BindersFullOfWomen and how Romney was going to "put y'all back in chains." You folks cried wolf once (hundreds of?) times too often...
   524. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5607871)
More about the Wisconsin Special Election - The Daily 202: Unexpected defeat in rural Wisconsin special election sets off alarm bells for Republicans

-- Unlike with Roy Moore in the Alabama Senate race, the Trump team cannot blame a flawed candidate. The GOP nominee, Adam Jarchow, is a solid assemblyman who ran a spirited campaign. Four years ago, in fact, he won his seat by defeating Schachtner’s son and has worked hard since then to cultivate a base of support.

-- Mostly under the radar, the special election had become a proxy war and Republicans significantly outspent the Democrats: Americans for Prosperity, backed by the billionaire industrialist Koch brothers, poured $50,000 into the race. Two other GOP-aligned groups funded by the business community contributed another $80,000


The GOP still has 10 months to turn things around though. All they need is solid leadership and a popular agenda they can pass to go along with the economy (assuming it continues humming along) and they are golden.
   525. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5607877)
Gonfalon, the Senate filibuster rule means the GOP will need nine Dems to clear the legislation for Trump's signature.


All they need to do is negotiate, like every other time in history one party has needed another. And since the GOP has the House, Senate, the Bully Pulpit, and healthy margins in most of the states they should be in a fine negotiating place. In fact last week - I think it was - Clapper informed us that the Democrats should be grateful to get anything out the the negotiations.

So I don't think you should have anything to worry about. Unless of course you think a shut down might reflect poorly on the GOP, because they have such majorities. Then I can see how the GOP might be in a bit of a bind and may need to compromise more than they want.

In any event it will all work itself out, I am sure. It is not like the filibuster is a new thing after all.
   526. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5607879)
You folks cried wolf once (hundreds of?) times too often...


I know, right? #DeathPanels.
   527. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:50 AM (#5607880)
The GOP still has 10 months to turn things around though.
I should check the data but, IIRC, midterm waves are difficult to counter, even this far out. Even reports over the summer of four-percent economic growth is unlikely to make much of a difference.
   528. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:51 AM (#5607881)
Ray's phrasing was pretty damn goofy but yes, some of us are older enough to remember #WarOnWomen death panels and #BindersFullOfWomen "un-American to criticize the President" and how Romney was going to "put y'all back in chains." Obama was an African Muslim.


1/3rd of a Coke to the Mouse.
   529. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:52 AM (#5607882)
All they need to do is negotiate, like every other time in history one party has needed another. And since the GOP has the House, Senate, the Bully Pulpit, and healthy margins in most of the states they should be in a fine negotiating place. In fact last week - I think it was - Clapper informed us that the Democrats should be grateful to get anything out the the negotiations.
The Democrats also have to negotiate, which includes an understanding that a DACA resolution might not happen this time.
   530. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5607883)
You folks cried wolf once (hundreds of?) times too often...

I know, right? #DeathPanels.


#femacamps

#kenyanmuslim

#benghazi

#vincefoster

#}]aidandcomforttotheterroristswhohateusandwanttokillus

("Why is it some in this country still do not get it, that
we are at war, a war against terrorists who are plotting to kill us
every day, terrorists who will murder Americans at any time, anyplace,
any chance they get. Yet here we are, America on its knees in front of our enemy, begging for their forgiveness over the mistreatment of prisoners, showing our
enemy and the world once again how easily America can get sidetracked,
how easily America can turn against itself.")

From 2001-2007 we were supposed to believe every one of you hippies had a photo of Saddam Hussein on your mantle next to Karl Marx and Martin Luther King, but now the snowflakes are outraged at how mean you 47% losers were to Mitt Romney and it serves you right.

Pretty much every Trump supporter I've met is an idiot. You'd have to be to believe that baloney.
   531. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5607885)
Eep. So you're not a fan of Canada's immigration system I take it, zonk.

He doesn't want to belong to any country that will accept people like him as a member.


Precisely :-)

In all seriousness, though -- yes, I am not a fan of Canada's system... and actually, I think my ease of temporarily relocating is a hallmark of the problem. I suppose I provide some "value" to Canada merely by contributing via HST, plus whatever my consumer spending provides to the economy... One doesn't tell one's hosts how to run their house, but ultimately, why wouldn't you prefer someone moving here with an intention of becoming a contributing, full citizen?

Perhaps I didn't make it clear in my proposal - but my entire system would be designed to give preference to people who have proven, via my points system, that they want to become US citizens. I want to phase out temporarily rented help - whether it's in IT or migrant work. I wouldn't clip it off entirely or immediately - that wouldn't fly anyway, and it would have potentially bad economic repercussions even if I could - but my system is weighted towards people who want to come to the US, actually build a life here and stay, and do the sort of things that one would generally say makes for a good citizen.

I'd have a LOT more ways to accrue points... in addition to things like educational achievement, starting a business, etc - things like joining local civic organizations (Rotary club, whatever). I might even - probably would even be willing - to put joining a church into that same class of points earning... if nothing else, churches, mosques, and synagogues do constitute community organizations.

Of course, anyone can just say on a form "Yes, I want to pursue citizenship" - but my check-ins are going to essentially check your score progression... and if you're just here for a season, a short-term assignment, whatever - that's fine... but over time, you're going to risk falling to bottom of the pile in favor of the developer, migrant worker, laborer, whomever - that's been putting in the work to stay and integrate.
   532. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5607889)
In all fairness I do want to credit Trump for taking and releasing the test results. I am pretty sure I never called his mental fitness into question - OK, fine I think he is a moron and an idiot savant - but I am glad he took the test and am glad he passed with flying colors.

FTR, here's all that was said about the cognitive test that Trump passed:

President Trump is in excellent overall health and achieved a perfect score on a cognitive test that the president requested as part of his first formal medical exam since taking office, the White House’s top physician announced Tuesday.

Navy Rear Adm. Ronny L. Jackson said he administered the Montreal Cognitive Assessment during Trump’s physical exam Friday afternoon at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center and said the president achieved a score of 30 points. The 10-minute exam is designed to detect mild cognitive impairment, such as dementia, generally in older patients.

Trump’s critics have recently questioned his mental fitness — an issue that gained attention in recent weeks over such things as the president’s belligerent tweets about North Korea. Trump further inflamed the debate earlier this month when he lashed out at his detractors on Twitter and claimed he is a “very stable genius” while touting his accomplishments. Jackson said Trump requested a cognitive exam to put the issue of his mental fitness to rest.

“There’s no indication whatsoever that he has any cognitive issues,” Jackson said. “I’ve found no reason whatsoever to think the president has any issues whatsoever with his thought process.”

The assessment he took includes asking a patient to name several animals, draw a clock with the hands at a certain time, copy a cube and recall a shortlist of words. It is not a psychological exam.



   533. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5607890)
Pretty much every Trump supporter I've met is an idiot.


The ones that aren't idiots are evil.
   534. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5607891)
I know, right? #DeathPanels.
The funny thing is Palin was more accurate than those predicting piles of corpses on the street thanks to net neutrality repeal, tax reform, and withdrawal from the climate treaty. If the Independent Payment Advisory Board ever gets off the ground, we'll one day have our fair share of Charlie Gards.
   535. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5607892)
You folks cried wolf once (hundreds of?) times too often...


I know, right? #DeathPanels.


More Precisely.

FFS, there's a difference between even scare mongering and legitimately voting - governing - just out of spite.

There's a rather limited list of governments, movements, and regimes that DID essentially govern out of spite and spoiler alert - none of them ended well.

The GOP is sick and diseased right now... The best everyone not infected can hope for is that nature takes its course before it mutates and spreads to more resistant demographics.

Maybe "scaremongering" on specific issues is an early symptom of the disease.... but Trumpism is full blown, terminal, and active end stage of it.
   536. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5607893)
1/3rd of a Coke to the Mouse.
The difference of course is that the GOP leadership/mainstream didn't join this chorus, whereas you folks embraced that ####.
   537. Shredder Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5607895)
those predicting piles of corpses on the street thanks to net neutrality repeal, tax reform, and withdrawal from the climate treaty.
Yeah, the voices in your head are notoriously unreliable predictors of the future.
   538. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5607896)
The Democrats also have to negotiate, which includes an understanding that a DACA resolution might not happen this time.


They are negotiating - just using the GOP flavor of it... the kind where we get everything we want in return for not burning down the house. Is that no longer in fashion? What has changed since it was?
   539. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5607897)
#Press = Enemy of the State.
   540. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5607898)
those predicting piles of corpses on the street thanks to net neutrality repeal, tax reform, and withdrawal from the climate treaty.

Yeah, the voices in your head are notoriously unreliable predictors of the future.


Give Juan a break, he's probably posting from a FEMA camp using a buttphone smuggled in by the White Christian Resistance. I bet he didn't even have time to wipe it down.
   541. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:10 AM (#5607900)
Pretty much every Trump supporter I've met is an idiot.

The ones that aren't idiots are evil.

Or just scared to death that they'll be trashed by the wacko birds if they speak the truth about him, a cowardice that carries over to anonymous internet forums where they don't even have to use their real names.
   542. Traderdave Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:12 AM (#5607902)
Pretty much every Trump supporter I've met is an idiot.


Yes. In addition, most of them are racist, many of them are ass holes, but all of them are idiots. Sorry to be so blunt about a large chunk of the country (and an unfortunate proportion of my immediate family) but it is what it is. Only an idiot could ever support that guy.
   543. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5607903)
They are negotiating - just using the GOP flavor of it... the kind where we get everything we want in return for not burning down the house. Is that no longer in fashion? What has changed since it was?
There was no shortage of GOP criticism of Cruz in 2013. I'll turn up my hearing aid so that I won't miss you guys piling on those on the left who seem happy to effectuate a shutdown because of DACA.
   544. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5607904)
Yes. In addition, most of them are racist, many of them are ass holes, but all of them are idiots. Sorry to be so blunt about a large chunk of the country (and an unfortunate proportion of my immediate family) but it is what it is. Only an idiot could ever support that guy.


Well, that chunk is getting smaller by the day... Not sure if we're at the point where I'd agree on "all" - but I'm a softie.
   545. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5607905)
Or just scared to death that they'll be trashed by the wacko birds if they speak the truth about him, a cowardice that carries over to anonymous internet forums where they don't even have to use their real names.


Cowardice is an evil.
   546. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5607912)
There was no shortage of GOP criticism of Cruz in 2013. I'll turn up my hearing aid so that I won't miss you guys piling on those on the left who seem happy to effectuate a shutdown because of DACA.


When I see something to criticize I pretty much do. For example I recently criticized my governors choice to replace Franken. Still there is news on that front.

Tim Pawlenty nixes Minnesota Senate run this year

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said Tuesday he will not run for the U.S. Senate this year, dashing Republican hopes that he would mount a strong bid for Al Franken’s old seat.

Minnesota’s going to be a “tough state for Republicans” to win in 2018, the Republican former governor told Fox Business during a Tuesday interview. Despite the pleas of GOP organizers who urged him to get into the race, and his own interest, Pawlenty nixed the idea.


When the most popular Republican in the state says "Thanks, but no thanks, too tough for me" that is a bad sign for the local elephants.
   547. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5607913)
A #Girther movement has arisen due to what people consider a laughably false weight measurement for the President.


Fat shaming. Not a good look.
   548. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5607914)
There was no shortage of GOP criticism of Cruz in 2013. I'll turn up my hearing aid so that I won't miss you guys piling on those on the left who seem happy to effectuate a shutdown because of DACA.


Heh... where criticism was unnamed reports about colleagues being 'angry' with him.... and essentially finishing 2nd to DFT in the 2016 primary.... and the GOP winning the Senate in 2014.

Yeah, turn that hearing aid WAY up.
   549. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5607915)
Or just scared to death that they'll be trashed by the wacko birds if they speak the truth about him, a cowardice that carries over to anonymous internet forums where they don't even have to use their real names.

Cowardice is an evil.


Cowardice is a human failing, but when the storm passes we should remember their names, and not let them pretend that their "#NeverTrump" posturing was ever anything more than a phony pose of empty words.
   550. Shredder Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5607916)
Pretty much every Trump supporter I've met is an idiot.
I don't know that I'd go that far. I'd say that every Trump supporter I've met arguably wasn't an idiot when I met them, and they may have a lot of non-idiot tendencies. But support for Trump is prima facie evidence of idiocy, and it's a presumption that is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to rebut. I'd also make a distinction between people who voted for Trump in 2016 (they can plead temporary idiocy) vs. people who still support Trump today, like Ray for example.
Cowardice is an evil.
Anyone hear Jeff Flake's interview on NPR this morning? I mean, the guy is about to go on the floor of the Senate and compare Trump with Stalin, but even when asked about it directly, weaseled his way out of any question that would come across as direct criticism.
   551. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5607918)
Anyone hear Jeff Flake's interview on NPR this morning?


I didn't, but CNN is running his Senate speech right now, and it's pretty good, and pretty direct.
   552. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5607919)
When the most popular Republican in the state says "Thanks, but no thanks, too tough for me" that is a bad sign for the local elephants.
See #527. Pawlenty's no idiot.
   553. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5607920)
Not only did they lowball his weight, but they upped his height. He is one pound away from being obese, but that is only if he is 6' 3" tall. He is not that tall. I always saw him listed as 6' 2". I have only seem him in person once, and he seemed shorter than me.


The medical community has set the cutoffs for obesity at various height/age levels too low.

If Trump is obese then there has to be another category for people who are far heavier for their height and age than he is. Super Obese, Super Duper Obese, etc. Otherwise there's no difference between Trump at 6'2, 240 and Trump at 6'2, 300. Or 350. Or 400.

By the logic of these definitions, people who are 400 pounds are just as unhealthy as people who are 250 pounds. But that isn't the case.
   554. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:36 AM (#5607922)
Fat shaming. Not a good look.
No, it isn't, you ####### imbecile.
   555. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5607926)
Ray's phrasing was pretty damn goofy but yes, some of us are old enough to remember #WarOnWomen and #BindersFullOfWomen and how Romney was going to "put y'all back in chains." You folks cried wolf once (hundreds of?) times too often...


And then when they met a REAL candidate who wasn't Hitler nobody listened.
   556. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5607927)
Meanwhile, a couple of inches of snow on the ground here in Montgomery means the city is closed down, not to mention the Air Force base. Not sure how much work the cats will let me do from home.

Must've started falling in earnest pretty late, because when I left the office a little after 8 last night (6 hours after we had early release, but hey -- I was in an editing groove & didn't want to lose the moment till I was done, & also of course I am Admirably Dedicated) only the slightest dusting was evident.
   557. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5607928)
((JE)), #529:
The Democrats also have to negotiate, which includes an understanding that a DACA resolution might not happen this time.


But they really don't have to. DACA was via executive order, so it's entirely up to the president to maintain, adjust or eliminate it. (Or more precisely, the last person in the room to say five words to Trump, thereby erasing the previous five words.)

Of course, the Republicans may decide to hang tough until 2019, when the Democrats will be further weakened and the GOP will be negotiating from a stronger position.
   558. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5607929)
Super Obese, Super Duper Obese, etc.


Go watch cartoons, child. Seriously. You are a moron.
   559. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5607930)
Fat shaming. Not a good look.

How about lie-shaming?
   560. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5607932)
Andy Borowitz (very) occasionally scores:
Scientists Baffled by Trump's Stunning Improvement in Health Since Vietnam Era
WASHINGTON -- Leading medical researchers said on Tuesday that they were “baffled” by the stunning improvement in Donald J. Trump’s health since the days of the Vietnam War. “Somehow, by leading a sedentary lifestyle consisting mainly of watching television and going on Twitter, he has transformed himself from a frail young invalid unable to serve in the military to perhaps the healthiest man in the world,” said Dr. Davis Logsdon of the University of Minnesota.
   561. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5607933)
A #Girther movement has arisen due to what people consider a laughably false weight measurement for the President.

Fat shaming. Not a good look.
No, it's not. Once #Birther was normalized, though, it became morally imperative.
   562. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5607934)
Pretty much every Trump supporter I've met is an idiot.



Yes. In addition, most of them are racist, many of them are ass holes, but all of them are idiots. Sorry to be so blunt about a large chunk of the country (and an unfortunate proportion of my immediate family) but it is what it is. Only an idiot could ever support that guy.


Unless your definition of idiot is circular (Trump supporters are idiots because they support Trump) it's your comment that is idiotic. There are many, many successful people among the 63 million who voted for him. Surely you can't be saying otherwise (can you be, Pauline?) so you must be using a bizarre "human definition" of idiot.
   563. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5607935)
Fat shaming. Not a good look.

How about lie-shaming?


Don't you mean what about lie-shaming?
   564. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5607936)
There are many, many successful people among the 63 million who voted for him. Surely you can't be saying otherwise (can you be, Pauline?) so you must be using a bizarre "human definition" of idiot.


There are plenty of successful idiots. You don't have to be a genius to make money. You prove that.
   565. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5607943)
I've said before that I think Flake has been great - and I think it's yet another data point in the diseased nature of the current GOP.

He's become an apostate for no other reason than he refuses to agree with the Vichy GOP and compliment the emperor's fine clothes, instead, actually saying "No, morons - the fat #### is naked. Stop pretending he isn't!"

Beyond that though? Reliable ACA repeal vote. Not so much as a peep on the tax bill. Much as I dislike those policies - they're part of Flake's core beliefs. He calls out Trump - accurately, loudly, and consistently because Trump deserves to be called out as such. But - he still votes and governs precisely like a conservative Republican would/should. Sure, sure - he's "moderate" on immigration... but that is more a reflection of how base crazy Rs have become on that matter.

It's very much to the GOP's discredit that a guy like Jeff Flake is basically being run out of the party for no real reason except except he refuses to play ball on pretending the idiot isn't idiot.

Shame on you, Clapper, JE, etc...
   566. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5607944)
Unless your definition of idiot is circular (Trump supporters are idiots because they support Trump) it's your comment that is idiotic. There are many, many successful people among the 63 million who voted for him. Surely you can't be saying otherwise (can you be, Pauline?) so you must be using a bizarre "human definition" of idiot.
The problem here is the (deliberate?) conflation of someone who's willing to credit Trump when he does something right, Trump voter, Trump supporter, and Trumpkin.
   567. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5607945)
The medical community has set the cutoffs for obesity at various height/age levels too low.

If Trump is obese then there has to be another category for people who are far heavier for their height and age than he is. Super Obese, Super Duper Obese, etc.


The medical world again responds to The Little Lord.

I used to volunteer at a bariatric surgery clinic in Memphis and got to be pretty good at judging weights of the morbidly and grotesquely obese from a distance. And then just to confirm I'd end up having to help physically move them to chairs, tables, etc. 400lb of jiggling mass is a real challenge. Lift with your legs!
   568. Traderdave Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5607946)
Trump supporters are idiots because they support Trump


A good number were idiots before Il Duce was on the ballot, but political support for him is a confirmation of such a state.


There are many, many successful people among the 63 million who voted for him



Define successful. Do you mean economic/business success? If you do, I know millionaires, some number in my family, who are idiots. They voted for Trump and continue to support him. That makes them idiots, net worth notwithstanding.

You've rather publicly advertised your annual income, which would be considered success by most rational standards. My household income is approximately triple yours, does that make you the idiot here? Of course not. Your support of Trump is what ticks that box.
   569. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5607950)
The problem here is the (deliberate?) conflation of Trump voter, Trump supporter, and Trumpkin.


In all cases, you're either an idiot or evil. There's no other excuse.
   570. Shredder Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5607952)
Eric Trump to Hannity:
“‘Does he watch too much TV, does he eat too much ice cream?’ Are you kidding me?” Eric Trump said. “By the way, if I look around that room, half the people that were in there I remember from the campaign, and I remember them sleep deprived, drinking cases of Red Bull because they couldn’t keep up with [my father].”

As he was on his on seventh speed of the night*, they were in the back, not speaking in front of 30,000 people, seven times in a row in four different states,” he continued. “They were totally falling asleep, they can’t keep up with him.”
Given the rumors of Trump's past use of amphetamines, you can decide for yourself whether this is a misquote ("seventh speech" makes more sense in context), or ONE HELL of a Freudian slip.

*Edit: Saw the video - he did say "speech", so the source I quoted from was wrong.
   571. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5607953)

The medical world again responds to The Little Lord.


Some of them have different gradations of obesity. Most sources don't bother with it.

The main point is that the word "obese" is used because it's inflammatory. That's why they need different classes of it -- because they used the wrong word to begin with. Trump is heavy. He's overweight. He's not obese.
   572. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5607954)
567...Now he'll say he was right! Haystacks Calhoun would be Super Duper Obese!
   573. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5607959)
Shame on you, Clapper, JE, etc...
Shame on me for what? I haven't said boo about Flake's actions of late.
   574. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5607960)
The main point is that the word "obese" is used because it's inflammatory. That's why they need different classes of it -- because they used the wrong word to begin with. Trump is heavy. He's overweight. He's not obese.


Such a credulous moron. His doctor says his BMI is 29.9, which is .1 away from "obese". It's obvious he doesn't weigh less than 280. It's convenient that he grew an inch so that the lowest figure imbeciles like you will swallow keeps him .1 below obese.

Just shushy and go watch Nickelodeon.
   575. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5607961)

Define successful. Do you mean economic/business success? If you do, I know millionaires, some number in my family, who are idiots. They voted for Trump and continue to support him. That makes them idiots, net worth notwithstanding.


Successful means a lot of things rolled into one. Financial success. Employed. Family. Friends. Not a domestic abuser, either physically or emotionally. Not in prison. Not with children you aren't paying for.

Many of the 63 million voters are upstanding citizens who contribute to society, support their families, and stay out of trouble. That you would deny this using your circular human definition speaks very much about your sanity on this issue.
   576. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5607962)
Some of them have different gradations of obesity. Most sources don't bother with it.

The main point is that the word "obese" is used because it's inflammatory. That's why they need different classes of it -- because they used the wrong word to begin with. Trump is heavy. He's overweight. He's not obese.
It's kind of fun joking about Trump's physical health. (If he's 239 pounds then Spud Webb was a seven-footer.) Too bad that when some of us attempted to question Hillary's Weekend at Bernie's impersonations, we were shouted down as batshit crazy conspiratorial #####.
   577. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5607963)
It's kind of fun joking about Trump's physical health. (If he's 239 pounds then Spud Webb was a seven-footer.)

Wait for it...wait for it....

Too bad that when some of us attempted to question Hillary's Weekend at Bernie's impersonations, we were shouted down as batshit crazy conspiratorial #####.

There it is!! Captain Whatabout to the rescue!
   578. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5607964)
Unless your definition of idiot is circular (Trump supporters are idiots because they support Trump) it's your comment that is idiotic.


Shorter Little Lord: "No idiot, no idiot. You the idiot."

There are many, many successful people among the 63 million who voted for him.


According to Baseball Reference, Carl Everett earned $44 million in his career. Does that qualify as successful in the Little Lord Lexicon? Because he also said all dinosaur fossils were man-made fakes, part of a global conspiracy.

Surely you can't be saying otherwise (can you be, Pauline?) so you must be using a bizarre "human definition" of idiot.


Surely you can't be saying that even in your insulated, provincial, pampered world you don't know any successful idiots.
   579. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5607965)
You don't have to actually be an idiot to be complicit with idiocy. You don't have to be a racist to be complicit with racism. You don't have to be a compulsive liar to be complicit with compulsive lying.
   580. Traderdave Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5607967)

Many of the 63 million voters are upstanding citizens who contribute to society, support their families, and stay out of trouble.


And they're also idiots.
   581. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5607968)
Too bad that when some of us attempted to question Hillary's Weekend at Bernie's impersonations, we were shouted down as batshit crazy conspiratorial #####.

Because she wasn't flat lying to everyone about easily verifiable health data.
   582. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5607974)
Shame on you, Clapper, JE, etc...

Shame on me for what? I haven't said boo about Flake's actions of late.


My point exactly.

   583. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5607977)
Many of the 63 million voters are upstanding citizens who contribute to society, support their families, and stay out of trouble. That you would deny this using your circular human definition speaks very much about your sanity on this issue.


So you're saying that these things - not higher education degrees, not bank account size, not standardized test scores - constitute "merit", right?
   584. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5607979)
Too bad that when some of us attempted to question Hillary's Weekend at Bernie's impersonations, we were shouted down as batshit crazy conspiratorial #####.

Because she wasn't flat lying to everyone about easily verifiable health issues.


Was this non-lying before or after her handlers were holding her up passed out on her feet to try to fool everyone into thinking that she was conscious?

Was it before or after she took an SUV to her daughter's apartment rather than go to the hospital?

I mean, I agree she wasn't lying while she was passed out on her feet. We could tell, because while her head was bobbing, her lips weren't moving.
   585. McCoy Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5607981)
Once again I find myself thinking that Georgians are a bunch of pvssies. Schools are canceled, deliveries are canceled, and everyone is calling out of work because of a little snow! My commute into work was one of my quickest commutes ever during rush hour because everybody was off the road. Took me 40 minutes to go 30 miles. Come on, people!
   586. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5607982)
The medical world again responds to The Little Lord.

Some of them have different gradations of obesity. Most sources don't bother with it.


That's because you don't know the material, so you can't evaluate the quality of the source.

The main point is that the word "obese" is used because it's inflammatory.


As fat as he is, his entire physiology is inflamed.

Anyways, you're welcome, let me know if you have any other questions about the medical categorization of obesity and associated physiological impact.
   587. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5607984)
Was it before or after she took an SUV to her daughter's apartment rather than go to the hospital?


Is it your professional opinion as a lawyer that she needed to be taken to a hospital?
   588. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5607986)
Is it your professional opinion as a hack that the way to handle a person who has just passed out on her feet is to prop her up and pretend it hadn't happened?

You seem to know about medical issues. Tell me: What should be done when a person passes out? Lie her down on her back and elevate her feet, perhaps?
   589. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5607988)
Which weighs more, Donald Trump or Hillary's SUV?
   590. Ray (CTL) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5607993)
Dennis Prager (I know! He's a right winger! So his opinion can be easily disregarded and we don't have to think about it AT ALL.) has this to say about the S-holes dustup:

3. Though many wonderful immigrants come from the world's worst places, there is some connection between the moral state of an immigrant's country and the immigrant's contribution to America. According to data from the Center for Immigration Studies, 73 percent of households headed by Central American and Mexican immigrants use one or more welfare programs, as do 51 percent of Caribbean immigrants and 48 percent of African immigrants. Contrast that with 32 percent of East Asians and 26 percent of Europeans.

4. The press's constant description of Trump as a racist, a white supremacist, a fascist and an anti-Semite has been a Big Lie. It is meant to hurt the president, but it mostly damages the country and the media. To cite the most often provided "evidence" for the president's racism, the president never said or implied that the neo-Nazis at the infamous Charlottesville, Virginia, demonstrations were "fine people." The "fine people" he referred to were the pro- and anti-statue removal demonstrators.

...

6. The poor choice of language notwithstanding, can any countries be legitimately described as "s---holes"? As Ben Shapiro, a never-Trumper, wrote, "The argument that Trump is wrong to call some countries s---holes comes down to nicety, not truth -- which is why Rich Lowry of National Review took Joan Walsh of CNN to the woodshed over whether she'd rather live in Haiti or Norway." Walsh refused to respond, giving the specious response that she hasn't been to either country.

...

8. What people say in private is neither my business nor my concern. That's why I wrote a column in The Wall Street Journal in the 1990s defending Hillary Clinton against charges of anti-Semitism for allegedly directing expletive-filled anti-Jewish comments in private against a Jewish campaign official she felt was responsible for Bill Clinton's lost congressional race.
   591. McCoy Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5607994)
What people say in private is neither my business nor my concern. That's why I wrote a column in The Wall Street Journal in the 1990s defending Hillary Clinton against charges of anti-Semitism for allegedly directing expletive-filled anti-Jewish comments in private against a Jewish campaign official she felt was responsible for Bill Clinton's lost congressional race.

This seems like a stretch. Trump is a policy maker. What he thinks, says, and does is important. If Hillary is an anti-semite that is important too.
   592. BrianBrianson Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5607995)
I mean, I can't criticise anyone for being 6'3" and 280 lbs (for a very specific reason). But, given that we known the medical report contains at least one lie, why should we believe any of it?
   593. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5608000)
Is it your professional opinion as a hack


I'm not a professional hack. I refuse to give up my amateur status.

that the way to handle a person who has just passed out on her feet is to prop her up and pretend it hadn't happened?


It depends why someone passed out, of course.

You seem to know about medical issues.


Some.

Tell me: What should be done when a person passes out? Lie her down on her back and elevate her feet, perhaps?


Perhaps.
   594. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5608001)
According to data from the Center for Immigration Studies


Stop right there...

CIS - at absolute best - is a nativist version of the SPLC devoted to immigration. At best.
   595. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5608002)
Dennis Prager (I know! He's a right winger! So his opinion can be easily disregarded and we don't have to think about it AT ALL.)

Dennis Prager: Compares Obama to Neville Chamberlain but won't say that Trump's a racist. Sounds like someone we know around here.
   596. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5608003)
My point exactly.
Nice recovery.
   597. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5608004)
Because she wasn't flat lying to everyone about easily verifiable health data.
No, her people were lying about her physical state.
   598. BrianBrianson Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5608007)
No, her people were lying.


Then maybe she needs a medical checkup if she's going to remain president.
   599. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5608009)

CIS - at absolute best - is a nativist version of the SPLC devoted to immigration. At best.

What does the SPLC have to do with a nativist group like the CIS, other than that they've outed the racist views of CIS's founders?
   600. Stormy JE Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5608010)
Flip.
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