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OTP 15 May 2017: A sport dominated by politics

And that would be … cricket – what were you expecting?

Tanya Alfred draws our attention to the world-threatening problem of climate change — which more than 97 per cent of climate scientists agree on’ — and bemoans the lack of a strategy from the English Cricket Board (ECB) for how cricket is organised today and its lack of preparation for the future.
In 2016, for instance, the Indian Premier League was forced to relocate matches from Maharashtra because of a water shortage. Bangladesh is threatened by extreme river floods, rising sea levels and high temperatures.
Zimbabwe has uncertain precipitation patterns, as does the southern part of Australia, while England is predicted to get more rainfall.

Does MLB have a climate-change contingency plan? I am sure Rob Manfred would consider it.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

 

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   2201. Lassus Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:14 PM (#5459495)
I've already gotten way more than I could have hoped for from any other candidate in either party

Other than making people feel like shit, I'm at a loss for what exactly you were hoping for that "way more" has been achieved. If that was the goal, well, it's a goal. If it wasn't, what else have you actually gotten?


and Hillary certainly will remain out of office through his term.

Um. Who are you even talking to with this point?
   2202. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:14 PM (#5459496)
I was speaking specifically to TGF about his anti Globalism and multiculturalism fantasy.

Okay, but then I was just riffing off of that onto other things.

Most of the terrible things Trump has done, like Gorsuch, have been either GOP standard conservative or easily overturned by the next president.

Some of them, sure, but in the meantime God knows how much damage can be wrought by agencies run by hardcore anti-regulators whose sole principle regarding consumers seems to be The Golden Rule: He who has the gold, rules.

And how will Gorsuch be overturned? Yes, we may have had someone even worse from a President Cruz or a President Rubio, but that doesn't lessen the damage.

Immigration is perhaps the sole difference, but even there from what I have read the immigration courts were busy before and are now totally overwhelmed. Sure it is bad (good for TGF), but in the larger scheme (not to the people involved though I grant you) it is pretty small potatoes.

The operative words there for me are "not to the people involved". When it comes to Trump's domestic policies, it's a tossup as to whether the best two word description would be "unparalleled cronyism" or "gratuitous cruelty", and personally I can live with the former over the latter.
   2203. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5459497)
Lieberman is currently the Senior Counsel for one of Trump's main litigation firms. A top guy at a firm the President currently uses. I never said he should be barred from "some or all government positions". I said he shouldn't be the top law enforcement officer (AG) or top investigative officer (FBI director).

As a rebuttal, you brought up Griffin Bell, Carter's 1st AG. Bell had been the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals from 1961-March 1976; he then left for King & Spalding, where he worked for 9 months before Carter nominated him. Did he, or his firm, do work for Carter during that 9 months? If so, I wouldn't have voted in favor of his nomination.

You also brought up William French Smith, Reagan's "personal lawyer". So there's a data point of 1, someone I also would've voted against.

You also brought up WilmerHale, "(t)he most prominent Washington, DC large law firm that leans Democratic". The only attorney that ever worked for WilmerHale, or any of the firms that were later absorbed by them, to become either FBI director or AG was Robert Mueller, who was appointed by George W. Bush, decidedly not a Democrat.

Situational Idiot proposed an absurd standard - that a law firm doing work for someone who becomes president disqualifies every lawyer in the firm from appointment to some government positions. I gave two examples, from both Democratic and Republican Administrations, and he now wants to pretend that there is something wrong with the examples. Griffin Bell was the managing partner at King & Spalding, a firm that had Jimmy Carter as a client. Bell was from Americus, Georgia, and had known Carter since childhood. I don't think it's necessary to reconstruct the precise matters handled to make the point that Bell's appointment as Attorny General didn't meet Situational Idiot's proposed standard. Carter's relationship with another King & Spalding attorney, Charles Kirbo, is also well known, as Kirbo is generally credited with saving Jimmy's bacon when he was the apparent victim of one of those Georgia vote-rigging schemes in the early 1960s. Kirby became a life-time Carter confidant.

The William French Smith example is unchallenged, which alone should indicate that Situational Idiot's proposed standard has never been considered appropriate. I also note that he appears not to comprehend the Wilmer Hale example. The issue isn't what attorneys have served in what government positions, it's that the firm's client list includes most of the prominent Democrats, especially if you include work for related entities such as campaign committees or PACs. Situational Idiot would disqualify every attorney in the firm, regardless of whether they had participated in the work, or whether the work generated any actual conflict of interest. That's not the current or correct standard.

As others have noted, Situational Idiot is also wrong about the nature of Lieberman's "Senior Counsel" position. Law firms use the various 'Of Counsel" titles for different reasons, but for former politicians like Lieberman, it's basically window dressing, a non-partner position for someone who may do little hands-on lawyering but perhaps can bring in some clients and add a bit of prestige to the firm. If Situational Idiot wants to oppose a Lieberman appointment, fine, but it should be clear that his proposed "ethical standard" is a new one, entirely of his own making, that would have disqualified previous Attoneys General on grounds that no one thought appropriate at the time.
   2204. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:16 PM (#5459498)
No, he's an example of the limits of the idea that an incompetent businessman can run government. Trump has shown skill at building a brand. Not at running businesses.


Frankly, I think even this overstates Trump's skills/acumen to a certain extent.

I mean, he's good at selling his brand -- but building a brand is a different thing, I think. What is his 'brand'? Luxury accommodations or rip-off house flipping "seminar"?

Building a brand - to me at least - is more than just finding the right way to sell it. It's also about cohesive vision and at least some refined idea of quality levels - I mean, I get it - Old Navy/Gap/Banana Republic are all brands under one corporate umbrella created to hit certain price points (and quality level), but Trump is just so scattershot.

The limits of his skill is hawking whatever he can get his hands on to rubes. When you start out with a lot of money to acquire the things to sell, I'm not even so sure he's particularly exceptional at that.

Let's not pretend he's even come up with new and interesting things to sell rubes -- he's just selling the same sort of stuff of rubes have been buying for millennia.
   2205. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:18 PM (#5459499)
The ones I know - was back in the states for a family thing a few weekends ago

They let you back in?


After being detained by ICE for a day and swearing a Trump loyalty oath for the duration of my stay, sure :-)
   2206. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:18 PM (#5459501)
Anecdote time.

I've shared here that HOFer Rod Carew and I share something in common: we are both kidney transplant recipients.


Out of curiosity, how long was your wait? I ask only because a good friend of mine is on dialysis, and has been now waiting for about three years. He's doing as well as can be expected, but not knowing when the transplant will be available must be excruciating.
   2207. Count Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:21 PM (#5459504)
Trump: "I obstructed justice":

NY Times

WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”

The conversation, during a May 10 meeting — the day after he fired Mr. Comey — reinforces the notion that Mr. Trump dismissed him primarily because of the bureau’s investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives. Mr. Trump said as much in one televised interview, but the White House has offered changing justifications for the firing.

The White House document that contained Mr. Trump’s comments was based on notes taken from inside the Oval Office and has been circulated as the official account of the meeting. One official read quotations to The Times, and a second official confirmed the broad outlines of the discussion.

Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account.

In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had put unnecessary pressure on the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.

“By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations.”

The day after firing Mr. Comey, Mr. Trump hosted Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, in the Oval Office, along with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak. The meeting ignited controversy this week when it was revealed that Mr. Trump had disclosed intelligence from an Israeli counterterrorism operation.

A third government official briefed on the meeting defended the president, saying Mr. Trump was using a negotiating tactic when he told Mr. Lavrov about the “pressure” he was under. The idea, the official suggested, was to create a sense of obligation with Russian officials and to coax concessions out of Mr. Lavrov — on Syria, Ukraine and other issues — by saying that Russian meddling in last year’s election had created enormous political problems for Mr. Trump.

The president has been adamant that the meddling did not alter the outcome of the race, but it has become a political cudgel for his opponents.

Many Democrats and some Republicans have raised alarms that the president may have tried to obstruct justice by firing Mr. Comey. The Justice Department’s newly appointed special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, was given the authority to investigate not only potential collusion, but also related allegations, which would include obstruction of justice.

The F.B.I.’s investigation has bedeviled the Trump administration, and the president personally. Mr. Comey publicly confirmed the existence of the investigation in March, telling Congress that his agents were investigating Russian efforts to influence the outcome of the presidential election and whether anyone in the Trump campaign had been involved. Mr. Trump has denied any collusion and called the case a waste of money and time.

At first, the White House said Mr. Trump fired Mr. Comey based on the recommendation of the Justice Department, and because of Mr. Comey’s handling of the F.B.I. investigation into Hillary Clinton last year. Officials said it had nothing to do with the Russia investigation.

But the president undercut that argument a day later, telling NBC News, “When I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.”
   2208. The Good Face Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5459505)
And they'll go nowhere, like they always have.


The dumbest, most incompetent version of that person imaginable (according to you) already made it to the White House.

Other than making people feel like ####, I'm at a loss for what exactly you were hoping for that "way more" has been achieved.


That's just a lagniappe. I mean yes, the salt was nice, but you guys will always be crying about something, so it's not like I need Trump to savor lefty tears.

If it wasn't, what else have you actually gotten?


AG Jeff Sessions. Reduction in illegal immigration. And the same thing I said well over a year ago, before Trump had even locked up the nomination; proof that his platform was competitive, that people desperately wanted something different from the usual Dem/GOP bullshit. Trump hasn't delivered on much of that, but what's important is that the constituency for it exists. And if they don't get it from Trump, they'll seek it elsewhere.
   2209. Count Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5459506)
I think it's true that Lieberman being special counsel at Kasowitz shouldn't be disqualifying by itself (assuming he did no work for Trump, which is likely). He absolutely should not be appointed head of the FBI for a bunch of other reasons. Appointing him would be yet another FU to most of the country.
   2210. BrianBrianson Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:24 PM (#5459507)
I mean - I had assumed Pence was clean too. But there's been enough Flynn-Pence weirdness for my confidence level in that to droop.
   2211. Count Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:25 PM (#5459510)
The neo-reactionary / idiot racialist brigade has been around forever. To the extent they supported Trump it just shows how hollow and disgusting that ideology always was.
   2212. dlf Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:26 PM (#5459513)
Out of curiosity, how long was your wait? I ask only because a good friend of mine is on dialysis, and has been now waiting for about three years. He's doing as well as can be expected, but not knowing when the transplant will be available must be excruciating.


Tell your friend it is much better once it is over. But my situation was a little different from his. I had a living donor transplant from a family member. I registered on the national waiting list just in case none of the friends and family who offered were matches, but because of the generosity of, among others, my brother, I didn't need to wait on a cadaver and the rating and ranking that goes along with those wait lists.

But EVERYONE should register to be a donor upon their passing. You can't take it with you folks.
   2213. Count Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:26 PM (#5459515)
Who is "Situational Idiot" supposed to be?
   2214. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5459516)
Ray, #2199:
This all just confirms my "politics is entertainment" and a virtue signaling vehicle for the people obsessed with the hourly ping pong match of it all, such as those here.


Says Mr. I Don't Care I Don't Vote But I Post Like a Machine.


#2199, cont:
And yet, here they are, having crawled out of the woodwork because Trump is having a bad inning, and now chest thumping in between homophobic jokes. Sad.


Stephen Colbert has shot to the top of the nightly ratings and been #1 for months. Happy!
   2215. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:27 PM (#5459517)
Here's another anonymous leaker for Sugar Bear to rail against. If his reply is sufficiently poetic I'm sure that the rodent will copy and paste it:

Russia probe reaches current White House official, people familiar with the case say

The law enforcement investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign has identified a current White House official as a significant person of interest, showing that the probe is reaching into the highest levels of government, according to people familiar with the matter.

The senior White House adviser under scrutiny by investigators is someone close to the president, according to these people, who would not further identify the official.

The revelation comes as the investigation also appears to be entering a more overtly active phase, with investigators shifting from work that has remained largely hidden from the public to conducting interviews and using a grand jury to issue subpoenas. The intensity of the probe is expected to accelerate in the coming weeks, the people said.

The sources emphasized that investigators remain keenly interested in people who previously wielded influence in the Trump campaign and administration but are no longer part of it, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort....

People familiar with the investigation said the intensifying effort does not mean criminal charges are near, or that any such charges will result. ...

While the case began quietly last July as an effort to determine whether any Trump associates coordinated with Russian operatives to meddle in the presidential election campaign, the investigative work now being done by the FBI also includes determining whether any financial crimes were committed by people close to the president. The people familiar with the matter said the probe has sharpened into something more fraught for the White House, the FBI and the Justice Department — particularly because of the public steps investigators know they now need to take, the people said.

When subpoenas are issued or interviews are requested, it is possible the people being asked to talk or provide documents will reveal publicly what they were asked about.

A small group of lawmakers known as the Gang of Eight were notified of the change in tempo and focus in the investigation at a classified briefing on Wednesday evening, the people familiar with the matter said. FBI Director James Comey had publicly confirmed the existence of the investigation in March.

Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said, “I can’t confirm or deny the existence or non-existence of investigations or targets of investigations.” An FBI spokesman declined to comment. ...

A grand jury in Alexandria, Va. recently issued a subpoena for records related to Flynn’s business, The Flynn Intel Group, which had been paid more than $500,000 by a company owned by a Turkish American businessman close to top Turkish officials, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Flynn Intel Group was paid for research on Fethullah Gulen, a cleric who Turkey’s current president believes was responsible for a coup attempt last summer. Flynn retroactively registered with the Justice Department in March as a paid foreign agent for Turkish interests.

Separately from the probe now run by Mueller, Flynn is being investigated by the Pentagon’s top watchdog for his foreign payments. Flynn also received $45,000 to appear in 2015 with Russian President Vladimir Putin at a dinner for RT, a Kremlin-controlled media organization.

Flynn discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Russia’s ambassador to the United States during the month before President Trump took office, and he withheld that fact from even the Vice President. That prompted then Acting Attorney General Sally Yates to warn the White House’s top lawyer he might be susceptible to blackmail. Flynn stepped down after The Washington Post reported on the contents of the call.

The president has nonetheless seemed to defend his former adviser. A memo by fired FBI Director Comey alleged Trump even asked that the probe into Flynn be shut down.
   2216. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:28 PM (#5459520)
Bill O'Reilly releases the results of the autopsy. Turns out Roger Ailes died from hate:
"When Roger departed Fox News last July under a cloud of suspicion, the vast majority of Fox employees were sad. We were not privy to executive actions and while opinions were many, facts were few. Roger was convicted of bad behavior in the court of public opinion, and it was painful for many of us to watch. He, himself, was stunned and never really recovered. It's easy to make judgments from afar — but fair people know that seeking the truth is a complicated and demanding process. In my opinion, few sought the comprehensive truth about Roger Ailes.

...We are living in a rough age, with technological advances changing behavior and perspective. The downside of that is turning us into a nation where hatred is almost celebrated in some quarters. Roger Ailes experienced that hatred and it killed him. That is the truth."

Ignoring the fact that Ailes fell down and hit his head, O'Reilly's brilliant idea that Roger Ailes died from hate is like Aquaman drowning.
   2217. madvillain Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:28 PM (#5459521)
From WaPo a minute ago:

The law enforcement investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign has identified a current White House official as a significant person of interest, showing that the probe is reaching into the highest levels of government, according to people familiar with the matter.

The senior White House adviser under scrutiny by investigators is someone close to the president, according to these people, who would not further identify the official.


Any guesses? Mensch has claimed it's Preibus, claiming he is on tape talking about laundering Russian money in the GOP.

edit: coke to St. Nick. Or, as I'm deathly hungover, how about a beer each.
   2218. Greg K Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:29 PM (#5459522)
And the same thing I said well over a year ago, before Trump had even locked up the nomination; proof that his platform was competitive

Like George Washington, his great achievement in the early years wasn't so much winning battles, as it was just proving he could be competitive against the conventional British army.

Of course, if Trump's legacy is even half as odious as Washington's it will be a sad day for humanity.
   2219. Count Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:30 PM (#5459523)
Also,

Washington Post

The law enforcement investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign has identified a current White House official as a significant person of interest, showing that the probe is reaching into the highest levels of government, according to people familiar with the matter.

The senior White House adviser under scrutiny by investigators is someone close to the president, according to these people, who would not further identify the official.

The revelation comes as the investigation also appears to be entering a more overtly active phase, with investigators shifting from work that has remained largely hidden from the public to conducting interviews and using a grand jury to issue subpoenas. The intensity of the probe is expected to accelerate in the coming weeks, the people said.

The sources emphasized that investigators remain keenly interested in people who previously wielded influence in the Trump campaign and administration but are no longer part of it, including former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

Flynn resigned in February after disclosures that he had lied to administration officials about his contacts with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Current administration officials who have acknowledged contacts with Russian officials include Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, as well as Cabinet members Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
People familiar with the investigation said the intensifying effort does not mean criminal charges are near, or that any such charges will result. Earlier this week, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed former FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to serve as special counsel and lead the investigation into Russian meddling.

It is unclear exactly how Mueller’s leadership will affect the direction of the probe, and he is already bringing in new people to work on the team. Those familiar with the case said its significance had increased before Mueller’s appointment.

While the case began quietly last July as an effort to determine whether any Trump associates coordinated with Russian operatives to meddle in the presidential election campaign, the investigative work now being done by the FBI also includes determining whether any financial crimes were committed by people close to the president. The people familiar with the matter said the probe has sharpened into something more fraught for the White House, the FBI and the Justice Department — particularly because of the public steps investigators know they now need to take, the people said.
When subpoenas are issued or interviews are requested, it is possible the people being asked to talk or provide documents will reveal publicly what they were asked about.

A small group of lawmakers known as the Gang of Eight were notified of the change in tempo and focus in the investigation at a classified briefing on Wednesday evening, the people familiar with the matter said. FBI Director James Comey had publicly confirmed the existence of the investigation in March.

Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said, “I can’t confirm or deny the existence or non-existence of investigations or targets of investigations.” An FBI spokesman declined to comment.

White House spokesman Sean Spicer said, “as the president has stated before, a thorough investigation will confirm that there was no collusion between the campaign and any foreign entity.’’

While there has been a loud public debate in recent days over the question of whether the president might have attempted to obstruct justice in his private dealings with FBI Director James Comey, who Trump fired last week, people familiar with the matter said investigators on the case are more focused on Russian influence operations and possible financial crimes.

The FBI’s investigation seeks to determine whether and to what extent Trump associates were in contact with Kremlin operatives, what business dealings they might have had in Russia, and whether they in any way facilitated the hacking and publishing of Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails during the presidential campaign. Several congressional committees are also investigating, though their probes could not produce criminal charges.
A grand jury in Alexandria, Va. recently issued a subpoena for records related to Flynn’s business, The Flynn Intel Group, which had been paid more than $500,000 by a company owned by a Turkish American businessman close to top Turkish officials, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Flynn Intel Group was paid for research on Fethullah Gulen, a cleric who Turkey’s current president believes was responsible for a coup attempt last summer. Flynn retroactively registered with the Justice Department in March as a paid foreign agent for Turkish interests.

Separately from the probe now run by Mueller, Flynn is being investigated by the Pentagon’s top watchdog for his foreign payments. Flynn also received $45,000 to appear in 2015 with Russian President Vladimir Putin at a dinner for RT, a Kremlin-controlled media organization.

Flynn discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Russia’s ambassador to the United States during the month before President Trump took office, and he withheld that fact from even the Vice President. That prompted then Acting Attorney General Sally Yates to warn the White House’s top lawyer he might be susceptible to blackmail. Flynn stepped down after The Washington Post reported on the contents of the call.

The president has nonetheless seemed to defend his former adviser. A memo by fired FBI Director Comey alleged Trump even asked that the probe into Flynn be shut down.
The White House also has acknowledged that Kushner met with Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the U.S., in late November. Kushner also has acknowledged that he met with the head of a Russian development bank, Vnesheconombank, which has been under U.S. sanctions since July 2014. The president’s son in law initially omitted contacts with foreign leaders from a national security questionnaire, though his lawyer has said publicly he submitted the form prematurely and informed the FBI soon after he would provide an update.
Vnesheconombank handles development for the state, and in early 2015, a man purporting to be one of its New York-based employees was arrested and accused of being an unregistered spy.

That man – Evgeny Buryakov – ultimately pleaded guilty and was eventually deported. He had been in contact with former Trump adviser Carter Page, though Page has said he shared only “basic immaterial information and publicly available research documents” with the Russian. Page was the subject of a secret warrant last year issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, based on suspicions he might have been acting as an agent of the Russian government, according to people familiar with the matter. Page has denied any wrongdoing, and accused the government of violating his civil rights.

   2220. Count Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5459525)
Any guesses? Mensch has claimed it's Preibus, claiming he is on tape talking about laundering Russian money in the GOP.


Come on, Mensch is a crack pot. With this WH if you make enough crazy accusations some of them will end up being accurate, but in no way is she a source.
   2221. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5459526)
Out of curiosity, how long was your wait? I ask only because a good friend of mine is on dialysis, and has been now waiting for about three years. He's doing as well as can be expected, but not knowing when the transplant will be available must be excruciating.

Tell your friend it is much better once it is over. But my situation was a little different from his. I had a living donor transplant from a family member. I registered on the national waiting list just in case none of the friends and family who offered were matches, but because of the generosity of, among others, my brother, I didn't need to wait on a cadaver and the rating and ranking that goes along with those wait lists.

But EVERYONE should register to be a donor upon their passing. You can't take it with you folks.


Thanks for the reply, though he's already told me that the before and after aspect of the transplant is like night and day.

And totally agree with that last point. I've had that little red heart on my driver's license for many years, and as you say, so should everyone.
   2222. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5459527)
In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had put unnecessary pressure on the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.

“By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations.”


Yep. Entirely true factually, and entirely within the prerogative of the president to manage and end.

Leftists don't get to create hysteria over an important world power, with a bunch of fake news and leaked classified info, and expect the president to just let that impact the relationship with said world power.

"I don't want you to say a word about the Russia investigation publicly, other than the announcement of any criminal indictments; I don't even want you to say there is a Russia investigation -- it will interfere with important diplomatic initiatives the administration has with Russia. If you do, I will fire you."

Entirely proper, not remotely "obstruction."

   2223. Lassus Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5459528)
Trump hasn't delivered on much of that

Heh. Euphemistic.


but what's important is that the constituency for it exists.

Angry, dissatisfied bitterness as a base constituency is not new. You got a perfect storm, but you disagree that's what it was. I suppose we'll see.
   2224. madvillain Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:33 PM (#5459530)
Come on, Mensch is a crack pot. With this WH if you make enough crazy accusations some of them will end up being accurate, but in no way is she a source.


She's loony, but she's also predicted a few things that have come to fruition.
   2225. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:33 PM (#5459531)
Out of curiosity, how long was your wait? I ask only because a good friend of mine is on dialysis, and has been now waiting for about three years. He's doing as well as can be expected, but not knowing when the transplant will be available must be excruciating.

A few weeks ago we were talking about medical advances. I think that the consensus was that major advances of the past ~25 years that benefited large numbers of people were relatively few, but that there was reason to expect advances made in the coming decades would be significant.

I'm hopeful that one of those areas will be artificial organs. There was a story earlier this week about a mouse who gave birth to healthy babies that were produced via "3d printed" ovaries. We've been trying to perfect artificial hearts for decades, but we are close to being able to build complex organs. The advances may not benefit Andy's friend or dlf, but it will likely benefit some of the under-40 crowd (if not a bit older) who will need replacement organs at some point in our lives.

Until then, please make sure that you're officially registered as an organ donor *and* your family is aware of your wishes. Ideally you'd have a living will in place as well, but have the conversation so that the hospital can move quickly to recover organs in the event of tragedy. Tens of thousands of people die each year waiting for organs and over a dozen people can benefit from a single donor. You're not going to need your heart, lungs, liver, etc. after you die, but tragic circumstances can yield some good if they can help prolong someone else's life.

EDIT: Cokes to dlf and Andy
   2226. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:34 PM (#5459533)
and Hillary certainly will remain out of office through his term.


HIllary will remain out of office for the rest of her life.

This is what makes the (supposedly not Trumpkin)Trumpkins decision to stand by their man so puzzling.

I'd think that, now that the vehicle has served its purpose, it would be the logical course of action to pitch him overboard... It's not like the election is going to be done over or we'll even have a special election next month that Hillary will run in.

I honestly think us lefties would have had an easier time pitching Hillary overboard.
   2227. Lassus Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:34 PM (#5459534)
But EVERYONE should register to be a donor upon their passing. You can't take it with you folks.

You people don't want my kidneys, I'm genetically deficient. Type I diabetes.
   2228. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5459538)
I honestly think us lefties would have had an easier time pitching Hillary overboard.


It's a lot harder to let go of spite and victimhood than of weary resignation.
   2229. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5459541)
So, Stephen Miller is apparently writing Trumps big speech on Islam scheduled for Sunday in Saudi Arabia. That should be fun.
   2230. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5459543)
...We are living in a rough age, with technological advances changing behavior and perspective. The downside of that is turning us into a nation where hatred is almost celebrated in some quarters. Roger Ailes experienced that hatred and it killed him. That is the truth."


Our powers grow!

You're next, Donnie!
   2231. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:42 PM (#5459544)
A few weeks ago we were talking about medical advances. I think that the consensus was that major advances of the past ~25 years that benefited large numbers of people were relatively few, but that there was reason to expect advances made in the coming decades would be significant.

I'm hopeful that one of those areas will be artificial organs. There was a story earlier this week about a mouse who gave birth to healthy babies that were produced via "3d printed" ovaries. We've been trying to perfect artificial hearts for decades, but we are close to being able to build complex organs. The advances may not benefit Andy's friend or dlf, but it will likely benefit some of the under-40 crowd (if not a bit older) who will need replacement organs at some point in our lives.


My friend's in his early 50's, so some of these advances may help him.

And some of those recent advances are indeed truly amazing. When I was 52 I had an ulcer that was caused by some sort of a bacterial infection. It was cauterized with a tube down my throat and I was back at work within a few days. 15 or 20 years before that, before that cause of ulcers had been discovered, I would've likely had my stomach sliced open and been put on a milk diet. And I hate milk.

Until then, please make sure that you're officially registered as an organ donor *and* your family is aware of your wishes. Ideally you'd have a living will in place as well, but have the conversation so that the hospital can move quickly to recover organs in the event of tragedy. Tens of thousands of people die each year waiting for organs and over a dozen people can benefit from a single donor. You're not going to need your heart, lungs, liver, etc. after you die, but tragic circumstances can yield some good if they can help prolong someone else's life.

Good point about noting your organ donor status on your living will, which my wife and I have postponed being drawn up, purely out of procrastination.
   2232. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5459546)
A second article of impeachment might revolve around accusations of conflict of interest and corruption. Mr Trump, who has neither released his tax returns nor properly separated himself from his real estate, hotel, and golf businesses, stands to profit enormously from his time in office.

Doubling the membership admission fee at his Mar-a-Lago resort (to $200,000) is a crude and obvious way of selling access while in office. The elevated rates paid by visiting diplomats at his new Trump International Hotel, two blocks from the White House, trigger the “emoluments” clause of the Constitution, a specific prohibition against officials receiving payments from foreign governments..

Folks are grasping at straws. My understanding is that what has generally been reported as a "doubling" of the Mar-a-Lago initiation fee actually just restores the fee to its pre-recesssion level. It's laughable that anyone would suggest it could be grounds for impeachment.

I see the usual suspects here are also busy cheerleading for a constitutional coup d'etat that would simultaneously remove Trump, Pence & Ryan, and are even quibbling over the mechanics of accomplishing the task. Tell us again how these folks are knowledgeable observers of American politics whose opinions should be given serious consideration by followers of this thread. Sorry, whatever they might once have been, Trump Derangement Syndrome has reduced them to delusional idiots.
   2233. The Good Face Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5459547)
Angry bitterness as a base constituency is not new.


I know, I've been watching the left for decades now.

You got a perfect storm, but you disagree that's what it was.


We didn't want that presidency anyway, and you got lucky!

I suppose we'll see.


That's what the future's for; telling other people you told them so.

You're not going to need your heart, lungs, liver, etc. after you die,


If there's a zombie apocalypse and my foul, unkillable corpse rises to plague the living, I am not going without my innards. Why do you think the ancient Egyptians took all that stuff out? That's right. To prevent zombie apocalypses.
   2234. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5459548)
Any guesses? Mensch has claimed it's Preibus, claiming he is on tape talking about laundering Russian money in the GOP.

That's utterly implausible to me: Preibus was knowingly complicit in the RNC receiving money from the Russians.

Like Pence, I have no love for Preibus. But I cannot believe that someone in his former positions (RNC chair) would have been involved in something like that. Or really any member of the mainstream party establishment. Taking advantage of information hacked from the DNC? Maybe. But taking money from Russians?

Also, if you're going to "launder" money, then donating it to a political candidate or party is a rather dumb way of going about it. The whole point of laundering money is to not get caught and political donations are subject to all sorts of extra scrutiny that other transactions are not.

If someone in DJT's current administration was involved, then it was someone from outside the party. So someone like Bannon, Miller, or maybe Kushner. It's not going to be a veteran political hack from the mainstream of the party.
   2235. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:45 PM (#5459549)
So, Stephen Miller is apparently writing Trumps big speech on Islam scheduled for Sunday in Saudi Arabia. That should be fun.

He'll probably filibuster about the wondrous nature of Saudi Arabia's abortion laws, and avoid any other topics.
   2236. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:46 PM (#5459550)
I see the 4 o'clock Trump scandal escalation is early today...
   2237. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:47 PM (#5459551)
I see the usual suspects here are also busy cheerleading for a constitutional coup d'etat that would simultaneously remove Trump, Pence & Ryan, and are even quibbling over the mechanics of accomplishing the task.

And those of us who are fine with letting Trump dangle by a thread for the next few years are even worse!
   2238. Traderdave Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:47 PM (#5459552)
Agree with 2234.

My money's on Kushner
   2239. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:47 PM (#5459553)
If someone in DJT's current administration was involved, then it was someone from outside the party. So someone like Bannon, Miller, or maybe Kushner.


If it's Kushner, it'll be twice as easy for Ivanka, knocking off two prison visits in just one trip.
   2240. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5459554)
That's utterly implausible to me: Preibus was knowingly complicit in the RNC receiving money from the Russians.


According to the BBC (in January), the investigation was started because of allegations of Russian money improperly/illegally coming into the American election.
   2241. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5459555)
I'm assuming we have extradition treaties with all the nations on this trip, right?
   2242. Ishmael Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5459556)
But EVERYONE should register to be a donor upon their passing. You can't take it with you folks.

We had some posts about the death penalty the other week, and I was thinking about it again after Ian Brady died in prison on Monday. For those who don't know: Brady and Myra Hindley were caught shortly following the abolition of the death penalty in Britain, and so became the face and focus of a lot of pro-capital punishment campaigns. It makes sense. They were child murderers. There was no question about Brady's guilt, at least. There is plenty of visceral horror about the crimes.

Anyway, for a long time before his death Brady had asked to be allowed to die. He even went on hunger strike for some time, but was force fed. He apparently talked about donating a kidney, while living, but was not allowed to do so. After his death, of natural causes, much was made in the press of his desire for his ashes to be scattered on Saddleworth Moor with his victims remains. This wish, if true, will apparently not be granted.

It got me thinking about our obligation to the dead and their wishes. To no dramatic conclusion I'm afraid. But I'm pretty sure, to go back to the original comment, that I have not heard a convincing argument against an opt-out donor registry.

You may now return to the Trump minute-by-minute.
   2243. cmd600 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:50 PM (#5459557)
HIllary will remain out of office for the rest of her life.


Shh, don't tell them this. I want to see just how long the Rays of the world can work themselves up over "the worst candidate ever".
   2244. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:51 PM (#5459560)
If it's Kushner, it'll be twice as easy for Ivanka, knocking off two prison visits in just one trip.

DJT will never see the inside of a prison cell.

Kushner might. Trump's adult children might. But not Trump himself.
   2245. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:53 PM (#5459561)
Re: #2244--
Guess I should have made it more obvious that I was joking. Should've said "two conjugal visits."
   2246. dlf Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:54 PM (#5459563)
You people don't want my kidneys, I'm genetically deficient. Type I diabetes.


OK, but how about your corneas, heart, liver, lungs or even skin. Most of my posts here are (sad) attempts at humor (like ordinarily I'd point out Utica's genetic deficiencies), but this time I'm absolutely serious: no matter your (general you, not specific Lassus) health, donate!

Thanks for the reply, though he's already told me that the before and after aspect of the transplant is like night and day.


My experience was absolutely amazing. I'm doing so much better that I can't even begin to explain how it feels. Things as simple as the ability to taste food (the toxins had built up so much that everything was bland), sleep through the night (towards the end I had to pee more than once an hour), focus through a day of work, or walk up a flight of stairs. My biggest post-surgical problem is that I feel so much better that I can't begin to express my thankfulness to my donor, my supportive family, the physicians and medical personnel at Emory Hospital, and the researchers and volunteers who have brought about this wonder.

But there was one, thankfully brief, downside to the surgery.

When they transplant the kidney, they connect the donor ureter to the patient's bladder. At the connection point there is a temporary stent to hold everything together as the body heals around it. That stent looks like the spring from a ballpoint pen and is not intended to remain in the body. So after a few weeks, they have to remove it. Unfortunately, there is one approach to the bladder and it was designed as an exit rather than entrance. The urologist takes a devise that looks roughly like a plumbers' snake but felt about ninety-hundred and eleventeen feet wide and inserts it where one would think it oughtn't go, weaves his/her way up the Erie Canal, then grabs a hold of the stent and pulls it back out. Let's just say that among the times someone was holding my manhood, it was not exactly my favorite.

   2247. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:55 PM (#5459564)
According to the BBC (in January), the investigation was started because of allegations of Russian money improperly/illegally coming into the American election.

Investigating foreign money going into the elections is a long, long ways away from the RNC chair being directly involved. Or the candidate himself.

Someone like Manafort might be mixed up in something like that. But the current RNC chair?
   2248. Count Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5459565)
Trump basically said "i obstructed justice into the investigation of collusion with russia" to the russians in the oval office in the same meeting in which he inappropriately shared sensitive intel. That's a big deal. In terms of impeachment, I still don't think this gets him unless there's underlying wrongdoing with Russia that can be traced to Trump, but that seems more and more likely every day (how can a guy act more guilty?).

Putting aside impeachment, his behavior is outrageous and the GOP has to come to grips with that and reign him in (don't let him put in a political FBI director; vigorously pursue the Russia investigation; investigate his financial ties; get his tax returns; etc.).
   2249. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:58 PM (#5459566)
So after a few weeks, they have to remove it. Unfortunately, there is one approach to the bladder and it was designed as an exit rather than entrance. The urologist takes a devise that looks roughly like a plumbers' snake but felt about ninety-hundred and eleventeen feet wide and inserts it where one would think it oughtn't go, weaves his/her way up the Erie Canal, then grabs a hold of the stent and pulls it back out. Let's just say that among the times someone was holding my manhood, it was not exactly my favorite.

Yikes. They couldn't heavily sedate you for something like that? Or is the sedative something that your kidney metabolizes and they didn't want to tax the new organ?

   2250. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 03:59 PM (#5459567)
Soooo....

Just out of curiosity, can the sage and wise big thinkers who told us how the special counsel would be such a backfire on Dems because RUSSIA RUSSIA would go dark let us all know when this period of calm begins?

I guess we don't start till Monday?
   2251. Lassus Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5459571)
I know, I've been watching the left for decades now.

Yes, yes, this again. The angry bitterness of people wanting to be married. How did we ever live with such blackness in our souls?


We didn't want that presidency anyway, and you got lucky!

I'm not surprised you'd add my point to something someone else said. However, yes, Trump did get lucky. I'm aware you disagree.


   2252. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5459572)
2105. SBB, Live from the Alt-Center Posted: May 19, 2017 at 12:01 PM (#5459305)

* * *
The Mueller appointment is actually bad for the Democrats. They had a better chance with the press leaks/Congressional investigation/hysteria strategy. Once the whole thing gets normalized and regular deliberative processes obtain, the hysteria they needed dies off. There's now a very good chance that "Comey Obstruction Memo Day" will be the Day 2 at Gettysburg of this particular lost cause.


Huh... look at that.... you CAN get schadenfreude boners!
   2253. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:04 PM (#5459573)
Just out of curiosity, can the sage and wise big thinkers who told us how the special counsel would be such a backfire on Dems because RUSSIA RUSSIA would go dark let us all know when this period of calm begins?

A story that makes it into the papers on Friday likely resulted from a leak that occurred several days before. Mueller wasn't announced until late Tuesday and I'm not clear on exactly when he took over (possibly it was Wednesday, also possible it wasn't until yesterday or today).

If we're still seeing leaks *from the FBI* about new discoveries in the investigation next week, then I'll reassess my position. But unless we know the exact chronology of when the leaks fueling today's stories, then I'm not sure that we can infer anything about whether or not Mueller is effective in reducing leaks.

And again, I said *fewer* leaks from the FBI, not no leaks.

EDIT: The NYT story about what DJT said about the Comey firing when he met with the Russians last week probably didn't originate with the FBI.
   2254. dlf Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5459576)
Yikes. They couldn't heavily sedate you for something like that? Or is the sedative something that your kidney metabolizes and they didn't want to tax the new organ?


They started with a local, but (a) it was a heavy gel substance that, itself was injected into the same place in a very uncomfortable way and (b) apparently I react much slower to drugs than many others so it hadn't really taken effect when they started.

There are a number of medications that can be real problems for folks with kidney diseases, but I'm not aware of problems with sedatives as a class. We talked here a while ago (I think when discussing Thor's denial of an MRI) about the ink used in certain types of MRI exams. I can't take any NSAIDs so things like Advil are out. Most decongestants are out. But again, all this is trivial compared to the wonders of how much better I'm doing today than I was doing this time four years ago.
   2255. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5459577)
Putting aside impeachment, his behavior is outrageous


There's nothing outrageous about it at all. He doesn't want the nation's relationship with Russia harmed by RUSSIA! RUSSIA! hysteria and has diplomatic business with Russia that he doesn't want ruined by RUSSIA! RUSSIA! hysteria. As a result he terminated one of the primary agents provocateurs. Good riddance.

Or see 2222.
   2256. TDF, FCL Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5459578)
Who is "Situational Idiot" supposed to be?
It's me. YC is doing his very best to be the biggest jerk possible in this conversation. He's constantly changed my argument, constantly said I said things I didn't say.

By continuing to say "Situational Idiot" instead of directly addressing me, he's trying to show everyone that it's beneath him to address me directly. Whatever makes him feel special, I guess - I'm a car salesman; I've spent years dealing with bigger pricks than him.
   2257. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:11 PM (#5459579)
By continuing to say "Situational Idiot" instead of directly addressing me, he's trying to show everyone that it's beneath him to address me directly.

FWIW, your handle is one of my favorites on BTF.
   2258. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5459580)
I've already gotten way more than I could have hoped for from any other candidate in either party

Other than making people feel like ####, I'm at a loss for what exactly you were hoping for that "way more" has been achieved. If that was the goal, well, it's a goal. If it wasn't, what else have you actually gotten?


That was certainly one goal. When you do it to others, others may well hope that they can do it to you.
   2259. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5459581)
And they'll go nowhere, like they always have.

The dumbest, most incompetent version of that person imaginable (according to you) already made it to the White House.
And? Since when do elections go to the smartest?

. And the same thing I said well over a year ago, before Trump had even locked up the nomination; proof that his platform was competitive, that people desperately wanted something different from the usual Dem/GOP bullshit. Trump hasn't delivered on much of that, but what's important is that the constituency for it exists. And if they don't get it from Trump, they'll seek it elsewhere.
Once again: Trump did worse than Romney; people do <b>not/b> desperately want something else. At most, what Trump proves is that white nationalism isn't automatically disqualifying. But given that the last people who tried to run on that sort of platform (Wallace, Buchanan, arguably Perot) all got trounced, it's almost certain that he's just sui generis. He got lucky to run against an awful opponent and he still performed poorly. (Though better than his predecessors.)
   2260. Traderdave Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5459582)
FWIW, your handle is one of my favorites on BTF



I'm a big fan of "Vida blew over the legal limit" and "What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face?"
   2261. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5459583)
Just so you know - 6-4-3 - while I somewhat, but not entirely, agree with you on Mueller leaks --

I'm mostly just having fun at the expense of the usual suspects who keep thinking Trump doing and/or saying dumb/potentially criminal things will ever stop.

It ain't stopping and it ain't slowing down.
   2262. Lassus Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:16 PM (#5459584)
When you do it to others, others may well hope that they can do it to you.

You never did answer me about your man picking up your victimhood mantle. Was he correct that he has been treated worse than any politician in history?
   2263. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5459586)
You never did answer me about your man picking up your victimhood mantle. Was he correct that he has been treated worse than any politician in history?


Obviously he has been (at least as compared any presidential candidate in my memory) but I don't care. The question is endlessly boring to me.
   2264. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:21 PM (#5459588)
Hours after the pervy pol pleaded guilty on a federal sex charge, estranged wife Huma Abedin filed Friday for divorce from her disgraced husband, sources told the Daily News.

Huma and the Clintons sure know how to pick em.
   2265. PepTech Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:22 PM (#5459591)
If it wasn't, what else have you actually gotten?
Gorsuch, and chaos, apparently.
   2266. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:24 PM (#5459593)
Even despite all of Trump's problems -- and Trump self-inflicts many of his own wounds but it's tough not to have scandals with a hate-fueled media hounding you left and right -- how are the so-called Trumpkins worse off from their perspective with Trump at the helm than they would have been with Hillary?
   2267. TDF, FCL Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5459595)
You never did answer me about your man picking up your victimhood mantle. Was he correct that he has been treated worse than any politician in history?

Obviously he has been (at least as compared any presidential candidate in my memory)
Oh, OK.
   2268. Lassus Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5459596)
I truly don't remember, did the Clintons pick Anthony Wiener to do something?
   2269. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5459597)
By continuing to say "Situational Idiot" instead of directly addressing me, he's trying to show everyone that it's beneath him to address me directly. Whatever makes him feel special, I guess - I'm a car salesman; I've spent years dealing with bigger pricks than him.

Actually, I'm mocking his posts on one particular topic. I would suggest that if one doesn't want want to be mocked, one should refrain from making mockable arguments using a mockable handle. I responded to his claims, showing that his proposed standard would have disqualified prior appointees that no one at the time thought should be disqualified; and I also noted hypotheticals that would have disqualified recent appointees on grounds no one thinks are appropriate (e.g. Eric Holder's firm working on Obama's book deals). There are reasons that car salesman don't make the ethical standards for either attorneys or government employees.
   2270. TDF, FCL Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5459598)
FWIW, your handle is one of my favorites on BTF.
It came from a discussion here a few years ago. I changed my handle the moment I saw the term.
   2271. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5459599)
When they transplant the kidney, they connect the donor ureter to the patient's bladder. At the connection point there is a temporary stent to hold everything together as the body heals around it. That stent looks like the spring from a ballpoint pen and is not intended to remain in the body. So after a few weeks, they have to remove it. Unfortunately, there is one approach to the bladder and it was designed as an exit rather than entrance. The urologist takes a devise that looks roughly like a plumbers' snake but felt about ninety-hundred and eleventeen feet wide and inserts it where one would think it oughtn't go, weaves his/her way up the Erie Canal, then grabs a hold of the stent and pulls it back out. Let's just say that among the times someone was holding my manhood, it was not exactly my favorite.
You are now officially my least favorite person in the history of BBTF. Even Retardo never made me read something like that.
   2272. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5459600)
Just as regular as the 4 o'clock new Trump scandal development is the shortly following Trumpkins getting snippy, defensive, and all hate-fueled media/deranged/yada yada.

   2273. zenbitz Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5459601)
They are not worse off NOW, and point to TGF for Jeff MFing Sessions. Is that they are (I predict) going to be worse off in the FUTURE. They've blown their wad. Their offensive has culminated.

And while the scandals have some utility in putting the brakes on any loathsome GOP agenda items, really what we've seen is how pathetic DJT is at functioning as a head of state. That just taints everyone associated with him. Even to #NeverTrumpers.

Now, maybe this will all blow over in a year or two and it will be a net positive or neutral for the deplorable arm of US politics, but I have some hope that it will stick and stick ugly.
   2274. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5459602)
They are not worse off NOW, and point to TGF for Jeff MFing Sessions. Is that they are (I predict) going to be worse off in the FUTURE. They've blown their wad. Their offensive has culminated.


It's like going with all KFC thigh pieces for your last meal.
   2275. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5459604)
WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”
"я не под следствием"- the four most beautiful words in the Russian language.
   2276. The Good Face Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5459605)
And they'll go nowhere, like they always have.

The dumbest, most incompetent version of that person imaginable (according to you) already made it to the White House.

And? Since when do elections go to the smartest?


And you were wrong. It's rare to see you admit it instead of slinking away like you usually do when you're caught saying something stupid or wrong.

   2277. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5459606)
I truly don't remember, did the Clintons pick Anthony Wiener to do something?

E-mail Custodian and Official Printer of Communications to the Candidate, at a minimum, assuming you believe the most favorable testimony.
   2278. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5459607)
I truly don't remember, did the Clintons pick Anthony Wiener to do something?

No. His time as a congressional staffer preceded the Clinton administration. He served on the NYC Council for most of the Clinton years and never served in the Clinton administration. He was elected to the House in 1998 (to replace Chuck Schumer).

I'm sure that the Clintons have campaigned and raised money for him over the years, but his primary connection to the Clintons is his marriage to Huma Abedin.

EDIT: He also never officially worked for any of HRC's campaigns AFAIK.
   2279. Lassus Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5459608)
Obviously he has been (at least as compared any presidential candidate in my memory) but I don't care. The question is endlessly boring to me.

Well, you cared enough to alter the question before answering.
   2280. TDF, FCL Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:40 PM (#5459611)
You never did answer me about your man picking up your victimhood mantle. Was he correct that he has been treated worse than any politician in history?

Obviously he has been (at least as compared any presidential candidate in my memory)
Bobby Kennedy says "Hi".
   2281. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5459612)
Obviously he has been (at least as compared any presidential candidate in my memory)

Oh, OK.


Obama was treated worse than Trump? Really? Should we ask Gonfalon if this qualifies as comedy?
   2282. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5459613)
I guess McClatchy drew the Deep State short straw and had to go last today --

Investigators into Russian meddling in the U.S. presidential elections are now also probing whether White House officials have engaged in a cover-up, according to members of Congress who were briefed Friday by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.


   2283. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5459614)
Well, you cared enough to alter the question before answering.


I don't know enough history to answer your question. So in good faith I directly answered as much as I could.
   2284. TDF, FCL Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:44 PM (#5459617)
Obama was treated worse than Trump? Really? Should we ask Gonfalon if this qualifies as comedy?
You're right, because people have been calling for Trump to be lynched.

Prominent politicians are questioning where Trump was born.

Prominent politicians are questioning Trump's religion - with the inference that he's a terrorist..

Yeah, he's been treated much worse than Obama was.

   2285. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:44 PM (#5459618)
“I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”


Right, meaning the pressure not to have his diplomatic efforts and the nation's relationship with Russia ruined by hysteria and leaks -- as well as Comey not publicly disclosing that Trump wasn't under investigation, as he had said privately to at least two Senators.

Firing Comey took much of that pressure off.

Moreover, Trump was already of the mind that Comey told him he wasn't under investigation, so how could he also think at the same time that any "pressure" involved related to him and an investigation?

I know everyone wants desperately to pretend there are no ramifications whatever to RUSSIA! RUSSIA! hysteria beyond the possibility that Trump colluded and the only thing the word "Russia" can mean out of Trump's mouth is that -- but that isn't at all true.
   2286. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:46 PM (#5459620)
McCarthy/Ryan bad joke alert :-)


The FBI warned a Republican congressman sometimes referred to as “Putin’s favorite” that Russian spies were trying to recruit him as an “agent of influence” in 2012, the New York Times reported Friday.
   2287. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:47 PM (#5459621)
The FBI warned a Republican congressman sometimes referred to as “Putin’s favorite” that Russian spies were trying to recruit him as an “agent of influence” in 2012, the New York Times reported Friday.


Right, Rohrabacher -- this shows that the FBI had a bizarre and paranoid stiffy for Russia long before Trump came along. It lends credence to the pretextual character of the 2016-17 "investigation."
   2288. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:50 PM (#5459623)
the FBI had a bizarre and paranoid stiffy for Russia long before Trump came along

What a bizarre comment. I don't know exactly how the FBI could possibly be effective at counter-intelligence if they weren't concerned about Russia.
   2289. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:52 PM (#5459625)
I don't know exactly how the FBI could possibly be effective at counter-intelligence if they weren't concerned about Russia.


They couldn't, but "counter-intelligence" can also spin improperly into pretext. If the FBI is bugging every US pol who ever meets with a Russian, that's not what we want.
   2290. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:53 PM (#5459626)
If the FBI is bugging every US pol who ever meets with a Russian, that's not what we want.

This is what is known as a vacuously true statement.
   2291. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:53 PM (#5459627)
Obama was treated worse than Trump? Really? Should we ask Gonfalon if this qualifies as comedy?

You're right, because people have been calling for Trump to be lynched.

Prominent politicians are questioning where Trump was born.

Prominent politicians are questioning Trump's religion - with the inference that he's a terrorist..

Yeah, he's been treated much worse than Obama was.


Listing a bunch of things that happened to Obama while ignoring the things that have happened to Trump isn't actually a serious answer.

It is indeed revealing of your mindset, though.

   2292. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:55 PM (#5459629)
Reuters poll out -- new low for Trump among Republicans... down to 75%

Might be a good time to jump off the Trump train Clapper... time will tell...
   2293. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5459630)
Listing a bunch of things that happened to Obama while ignoring the things that have happened to Trump isn't actually a serious answer.


What exactly has happened to Trump that he didn't bring upon himself?

That's the difference.
   2294. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5459631)
No, he's an example of the limits of the idea that an incompetent businessman can run government. Trump has shown skill at building a brand. Not at running businesses.
To take this a bit further, building a brand may not translate into effective governance, but it does line up really damn well with effective campaigning. I don't expect anything to change, but the fact that someone utterly unqualified for the job could be so effective at selling himself for it raises questions about our campaign structure.
   2295. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 19, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5459632)
Reuters poll out -- new low for Trump among Republicans... down to 75%

But 85% of DJT voters approve of him.

I'll get more excited if/when that subgroup slips below 70%.
   2296. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 19, 2017 at 05:00 PM (#5459634)
the nation's relationship with Russia
People like you and Trump and Manafort and Flynn who are on the Russian payroll may not want to admit it, but Russia is our enemy.
   2297. The Good Face Posted: May 19, 2017 at 05:00 PM (#5459635)
Now, maybe this will all blow over in a year or two and it will be a net positive or neutral for the deplorable arm of US politics, but I have some hope that it will stick and stick ugly.


Keep hope alive!

Look, your problem is that your side hates everybody who's not on their team. And they've increasingly given up on hiding it or trying to pretend otherwise. And people know it. Whatever happens with Trump, people aren't going to vote for the guys who hate them. And as that hatred increasingly manifests itself in violence and crazy behavior, they're less likely to sit idly by and not vote.
   2298. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 19, 2017 at 05:01 PM (#5459636)
MORE BIASED MEDIA!

In 119 days, President Trump has made 586 false and misleading claims. We tracked them all.

Most repeated claims

“You look at what's happening with Ford, and General Motors, in Michigan and Ohio ... that's what I'm proud of.”


Repeated 28 times:Feb 9Feb 10Feb 16Feb 17Feb 18Feb 24Feb 28Feb 28Mar 6Mar 13Mar 15Mar 17Mar 21Mar 23Mar 24Mar 24Mar 28Mar 28Mar 29Mar 31Apr 2Apr 4Apr 11Apr 21Apr 29May 1May 17May 18

Trump keeps taking credit for projects that were long in the works before he became president. For example, he repeatedly claims credit for Ford’s decision to abandon its plans to open a factory in Mexico and instead expand its Michigan plant. But analysts say Ford’s decision has more to do with the company’s long-term goal — particularly, its plans to invest in electric vehicles — than the administration. It’s easier for companies to find highly skilled workers to build new products, such as electric cars, in the United States than in Mexico. Fiat Chrysler's plan to invest $1 billion for a factory in Michigan had been in the works for more than a year and had nothing to do with Trump.

Fact Checker rating: 4 Pinocchios....



So that's 586 things that Ray doesn't care about. His goal of 1000 is easily within reach by Labor Day.
   2299. TDF, FCL Posted: May 19, 2017 at 05:01 PM (#5459637)
Listing a bunch of things that happened to Obama while ignoring the things that have happened to Trump isn't actually a serious answer.
OK. What has happened to Trump that approaches any of these?

Accusations of working with the Russians? He's had financial dealings with them for years.
Accusations of flouting the laws? He's done that for years.
Accusations of firing people for no good reason? He did that every f'ing week on TV for years.
   2300. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 19, 2017 at 05:03 PM (#5459638)
Flip.
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