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Monday, October 16, 2017

OTP 16 October 2017: Sorry, Yankee fans: Trump’s claim that he can ensure victory simply isn’t true

As is sometimes the case with Trump’s tweet’s, his claims don’t hold up. We identified 14 games that Trump has attended since 1988, including two preseason games and the game above. Of those 14 games, the Yankees won eight and lost six — 57 percent of the time during seasons when the Yankees won 60 percent of their games overall.

In other words — Trump might be a jinx.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 16, 2017 at 07:49 AM | 1967 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1701. Howie Menckel Posted: October 20, 2017 at 09:48 PM (#5559352)
Trump bump
   1702. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 09:49 PM (#5559355)
BDC.... I had to Google it myself and go to its WIKI. The pertinent part, to me, was that it undid an Obama order.

It attempts to limit access to Presidential records, citing national security concerns, namely, that we're under imminent threat of a terrorist attack. Or a missile attack from NK.

Notice that Steaming Dump doesn't provide a link here? Could there be a reason for that? Perhaps he doesn't want to reveal where he gets his conspiracy theories? Or that he's just making things up? Here's an actual new account of Trump's revision of an Executive Order that has been updated several times:
President Trump signed an executive order Friday allowing the Air Force to recall as many as 1,000 retired pilots to active duty to address a shortage in combat fliers, the White House and Pentagon announced.

By law, only 25 retired officers can be brought back to serve in any one branch. Trump's order removes those caps by expanding a state of national emergency declared by President George W. Bush after 9/11, signaling what could be a significant escalation in the 16-year-old global war on terror.

"We anticipate that the Secretary of Defense will delegate the authority to the Secretary of the Air Force to recall up to 1,000 retired pilots for up to three years," Navy Cdr. Gary Ross, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

But the executive order itself is not specific to the Air Force, and could conceivably be used in the future to call up more officers and in other branches.

The E.O. deals with the authority of the Secretary of Defense and the service secretaries to call up reservists and retirees, and appears to expand the role of the service secretaries, apparently for the benefit of the Air Force. Which has nothing to do with the nonsense Steaming Dump and others set forth in #1693-99.
   1703. Hot Wheeling American Posted: October 20, 2017 at 09:59 PM (#5559358)
The Yankees go down a few runs and The Yankee Clapper runs to OTP. Not a good look.
   1704. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:24 PM (#5559377)
See you, Misirlou. Have fun in Niger.


a) I'n not a retiree. I seperated after 7 years. I have not received a dime from Uncle Sam since 1992, and I owe them nothing and they have no hold on me.

b) I'm 54, overweight, and have high blood pressure. They don't want me in a cockpit even if they could drag my sorry ass back.
   1705. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:28 PM (#5559381)
There were many fine people on both sides.

(CNN)Police in Florida arrested three men who allegedly made Nazi salutes, repeated Hitler chants and then shot at a group of protesters after white supremacist leader Richard Spencer's speech at the University of Florida on Thursday.

The gunshot narrowly missed the group of six to eight protesters, striking a business behind them, police said
.
Tyler Tenbrink, 28, William Fears, 30, and Colt Fears, 28, had driven from Texas to Gainesville, Florida, for Spencer's speech at the Phillips Center.

The Fears, who are brothers, spoke to CNN on Thursday prior to the incident about their support for Spencer, the white supremacist leader of the "alt-right." In one interview, William Fears said protesters did not need to be afraid of them.

"They don't have to fear us. It's always the left that brings the violence," he said.


Many sides...many sides.
   1706. Lassus Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:37 PM (#5559400)
"They don't have to fear us. It's always the left that brings the violence," he said.

Yeah, this sounds familiar.
   1707. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:42 PM (#5559403)
Bitter Mouse's favorite digital company, Vox Media, has fired its editorial director for sexual harrasment. Must have been pretty severe, they didn't even let anyone go for inventing that non-existent Land Bridge Between the West Bank & Gaza.
   1708. PreservedFish Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:42 PM (#5559404)
What sort of derangement syndrome do those fellows have?
   1709. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:18 PM (#5559437)
Politico: Trump personally interviewed U.S. attorney candidates:
President Donald Trump has personally interviewed at least two potential candidates for U.S. attorney positions in New York, according to two sources familiar with the matter — a move that critics say raises questions about whether they can be sufficiently independent from the president.

...The White House did not deny that Trump had personally conducted the interviews with...two candidates. A White House official noted: “These are individuals that the president nominates and the Senate confirms under Article II of the Constitution. We realize Senate Democrats would like to reduce this President’s constitutional powers. But he and other presidents before him and after may talk to individuals nominated to positions within the executive branch.”

The Southern District of New York is an especially notable position since it has jurisdiction over Trump Tower. Preet Bharara, the former U.S. attorney there, has said he had been told that Trump would keep him on despite the change in administrations. Yet he was among those abruptly fired by Trump in March. “It is neither normal nor advisable for Trump to personally interview candidates for US Attorney positions, especially the one in Manhattan,” Bharara tweeted Wednesday.

It is rare for a president to interview candidates for the 93 U.S. attorney jobs. Former President Barack Obama never interviewed a U.S. attorney candidate during his two terms, according to Matthew Miller, who served as Justice Department spokesman under the Obama administration.

..."To be very blunt, these three jurisdictions will have authority to bring indictments over the ongoing special counsel investigation into Trump campaign collusion with the Russians and potential obstruction of justice by the president of the United States,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said in an interview Thursday. “For him to be interviewing candidates for that prosecutor who may in turn consider whether to bring indictments involving him and his administration seems to smack of political interference." ...Other U.S. attorneys who have been nominated to posts around the country do not appear to have had similar interviews with Trump, according to Democrats who have been asking that of all nominees.

...U.S. attorneys are also subject to the “blue-slip process,” meaning home-state senators could try to unilaterally block a nominee moving forward. For the New York position, Democratic Sens. Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand would be the ones giving the green light for the nominee to advance.
   1710. tshipman Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:19 PM (#5559438)
Bitter Mouse's favorite digital company, Vox Media, has fired its editorial director for sexual harrasment. Must have been pretty severe, they didn't even let anyone go for inventing that non-existent Land Bridge Between the West Bank & Gaza.


Vox media not the same as vox.com, of course.
   1711. Omineca Greg Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:23 PM (#5559440)
Think about when Jesus quotes Ian Brown to Martha in John 11:23-6

Speaking of Reni (no really, that's what we were doing), what's up with this portrait he did of "Christ embracing Saint John the Baptist"?

National Gallery, London.

It looks like lesbian soft porn! I've seen some pretty bad pictures of Jesus in my time, but from someone who's actually a good artist, that might be the worst. No wonder the National Gallery has it "not on display". I don't know why they don't burn it. Or at the very least ship it to a museum in Беларусь, so lingering Чорно́биль radiation can destroy it.

I don't get it, he's a really good drummer.

Thanks for the Nicodemus 411.
   1712. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:23 PM (#5559441)
Vox media not the same as vox.com, of course.

Vox Media owns Vox.com.
   1713. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:24 PM (#5559442)
From the not-a-good-look department: Exclusive: Pentagon Document Contradicts Trump’s Gold Star Claims:
In the hours after President Donald Trump said on an Oct. 17 radio broadcast that he had contacted nearly every family that had lost a military servicemember this year, the White House was hustling to learn from the Pentagon the identities and contact information for those families, according to an internal Defense Department email.

The email exchange, which has not been previously reported, shows that senior White House aides were aware on the day the president made the statement that it was not accurate — but that they should try to make it accurate as soon as possible, given the gathering controversy.

Not only had the president not contacted virtually all the families of military personnel killed this year, the White House did not even have an up-to-date list of those who had been killed.

The exchange between the White House and the Defense secretary’s office occurred about 5 p.m. on Oct. 17. The White House asked the Pentagon for information about surviving family members of all servicemembers killed after Trump’s inauguration so that the president could be sure to contact all of them.
Must just be deranged.
   1714. tshipman Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:28 PM (#5559445)
Vox Media owns Vox.com.


Right, would you link Amazon executives with the WaPo?
Bloomberg LP with Bloomberg news?
What about Fox with the Wall Street Journal?
   1715. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:34 PM (#5559449)
Right, would you link Amazon executives with the WaPo?

Amazon doesn't own the Washington Post. Jeff Bezos does.

EDIT: Scale is a bit different in the suggested counter-examples, too.
   1716. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:38 PM (#5559451)
A judicial nomination update:
Current & known future vacancies: 167
Courts of Appeals: 27
District/Specialty Court: 140

Pending nominees: 54
Courts of Appeals: 14
District/Specialty Courts: 40

Awaiting Floor Votes: 14
Courts of Appeals: 2
District/Specialty Courts: 12

Confirmed by the Senate: 6
Courts of Appeals: 4
District/Specialty Courts: 2

Overdue for some floor votes, another batch of nominees cleared the Judiciary Committee this week, with more to be voted on next week.
   1717. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:59 PM (#5559460)
Judges confirmed by this point of their first terms:
Kennedy: 73
Carter: 24
Ford: 20
Truman: 18 *
Nixon: 14
Eisenhower: 13 *
Reagan: 13 *
Clinton: 9 *
GW Bush: 8
Trump: 7 *
Bush Sr: 4
Obama: 3 *

WOOOOO!!!! Go TRUMP!

(*includes a Supreme Court Justice)
   1718. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 21, 2017 at 12:18 AM (#5559463)
Kudos to #1717 for noting the level of obstruction by Senate Democrats. Nominations are ahead of schedule, but confirmations are lagging due to the Dems delaying tactics. That should be a temporary problem, but it's also likely to affect the next Democratic President, assuming that happens within the memory of much of the current Senate.
   1719. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 21, 2017 at 12:44 AM (#5559469)
Seems like somebody read down the list as far as Trump and no further. While pretending to believe that whenever a Republican loses a pencil, it's yet more unprecedented escalation by hypocritical Democrats. Wotta maroon.



...assuming that happens within the memory of much of the current Senate.


That could be a problem.
   1720. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 21, 2017 at 01:04 AM (#5559474)
Seems like somebody read down the list as far as Trump and no further. While pretending to believe that whenever a Republican loses a pencil, it's yet more unprecedented escalation by hypocritical Democrats. Wotta maroon.

I believe those who had fewer judges confirmed than Trump also were much slower to get started on judicial nominations. That was certainly what was reported for Obama. I also note Gonfalon's lack of link for the data he cited.
   1721. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 21, 2017 at 02:20 AM (#5559480)
By all means, go ahead and note the heck out of it. You're the only one smart enough to see through my devious fake list of "judicial confirmations through the first nine months of a presidency" scheme. It'll fool everyone else here, though, and that's enough for me, heh heh heh.

Could you click on the same data just as quickly as I did? Maybe. But that would remind us of your recent "must not have a search engine/Democratic Susan Collins skepticism" challenge that went so poorly for you that you never said a peep about it afterwards. So let's keep it that way.

According to some so-called link somewhere, Obama had nominated 22 judges for 54 vacancies as of October 20, 2009 (41%). You say Trump has nominated 61 judges for 168 vacancies as of today (36%). Assuming these mystery percentages are correct-- and sadly, there's simply no way to check-- the vaunted Trump advantage seems to be in raw totals, not in rates. But please don't ask why Trump inherited that many more judicial vacancies than Obama. The answer doesn't go well with the aggrieved "unprecedented Democratic obstructionism" premise. Yes, you could always Google "2015 + 2016 + snail's pace" and get a relevant link. You could even find Years 7-8 judicial confirmation rates for Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama: 72%, 68%, 63% and 27% (no prizes for guessing who Mr. 27% is!). But this kind of data would be injurious to your future rhetoric, so keep avoiding it.
   1722. Morty Causa Posted: October 21, 2017 at 02:23 AM (#5559481)
Kennedy: 73? Seems like there's a story there.
   1723. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 21, 2017 at 02:42 AM (#5559482)
Sorry, I made a counting mistake. The correct number of Kennedy judges through his first nine months is 74, not 73. Someone else will have to explain how and why.

However, 17 of them were recess appointments. Those 17 were subsequently submitted and confirmed, but in early 1962.

I also omitted Lyndon Johnson, who had 15.
   1724. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:04 AM (#5559486)
According to some so-called link somewhere, Obama had nominated 22 judges for 54 vacancies as of October 20, 2009 (41%). You say Trump has nominated 61 judges for 168 vacancies as of today (36%). Assuming these mystery percentages are correct-- and sadly, there's simply no way to check-- the vaunted Trump advantage seems to be in raw totals, not in rates.

Well, no, that is shabby analysis, at best. As of October 2009, Obama had 16 nominations pending, only 2 made before mid-June, and 4 confirmations. It's hardly surprising that even a Democratic Senate couldn't confirm nominations that weren't made or had only recently been made. In contrast, as I previously noted, Trump made a much larger number of judicial nominations and made them earlier in his term, which should result in a significantly larger number of confirmations. Gonfalon is heavily into smoke & mirrors, and badly done snark, but the data show what it shows.
   1725. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:39 AM (#5559487)
Roger Cohen is a generally sane voice in the NYT op-ed stable, and he's starting to become re-hinged as reality starts to at least somewhat set in. Expect to see more in this key:

Those nerves still tingle. Nine months into the presidency, the support of Trump’s base remains fervid. I am often asked whether I believe that Trump will be impeached. I’ve taken to responding that it’s more likely he’ll be a two-term president. I’d put the chances of impeachment at under 10 percent and of his re-election at about 25 percent.

That’s partly because the Democratic Party has not yet begun a serious reckoning with its defeat last year. It hasn’t grasped the degree to which it lives, still, in a coastal echo chamber of identity politics and Trump-bashing. Just being anti-Trump won’t cut it. As Chuck Coughlin, a Republican political consultant who once worked for Senator John McCain, put it to me, “Somebody who speaks to common-sense American values — that is what the Democrats need.” I’m not sure who that person is, but I am pretty sure she or he does not reside in New York, Massachusetts or California.

Coughlin went on: “A Democratic Party that can’t tell me how many genders there are, that ain’t flying in this country.”


   1726. simon bedford Posted: October 21, 2017 at 08:25 AM (#5559488)
Staunch right wing Arizona republican doesnt like democrats! film at 11. talk about deranged...
   1727. Lassus Posted: October 21, 2017 at 08:25 AM (#5559489)
Coughlin went on: “A Democratic Party that can’t tell me how many genders there are, that ain’t flying in this country.”

"Tranny suicides? Boo hoo."
   1728. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 21, 2017 at 08:26 AM (#5559490)
I’d put the chances of impeachment at under 10 percent and of his re-election at about 25 percent.


Given the make up of House/Senate right now, I'm surprised he has THAT high of a chance for impeachment.
However, bragging about a re-election at only 25% seems odd...

As Chuck Coughlin, a Republican political consultant who once worked for Senator John McCain, put it to me, “Somebody who speaks to common-sense American values — that is what the Democrats need.” I’m not sure who that person is, but I am pretty sure she or he does not reside in New York, Massachusetts or California.

Coughlin went on: “A Democratic Party that can’t tell me how many genders there are, that ain’t flying in this country.”


A Republican political consultant has bad things to say about the Democratic Party?

I'm shocked.
   1729. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 10:06 AM (#5559497)
“Somebody who speaks to common-sense American values — that is what the Democrats need.” I’m not sure who that person is, but I am pretty sure she or he does not reside in New York, Massachusetts or California.


No Real Americans there eh? Once we get rid of those unproductive backwaters we can really start to make America great again.
   1730. Swoboda is freedom Posted: October 21, 2017 at 12:02 PM (#5559526)
See you, Misirlou. Have fun in Niger.


a) I'n not a retiree. I seperated after 7 years. I have not received a dime from Uncle Sam since 1992, and I owe them nothing and they have no hold on me.

b) I'm 54, overweight, and have high blood pressure. They don't want me in a cockpit even if they could drag my sorry ass back.


I got out of the Army in 1984, but was on Ready Reserves for 5 years. It was good, as I was in school and it was not too taxing and needed the money. Once the 5 years was up, I had a job and I didn't rejoin thank god. A couple guys I know did, got pulled back in in 1990. Spent 2 years in Middle East. Really screwed up their lives and careers.
   1731. BDC Posted: October 21, 2017 at 01:34 PM (#5559542)
BDC Jr says that Fort Buchanan's commissary (San Juan PR) is open to civilians who need food and water; lines are long but everyone seems upbeat about the situation. His unit is off to the south side of the island today, to clear roads, as a prelude to civilian crews trying to get the power grid up and running again.
   1732. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 01:47 PM (#5559543)
Thanks for the update BDC ... and pass along BIG THANKS TO BDC Jr.!
   1733. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 01:54 PM (#5559545)
Obviously, all amendments are created equal, but some amendments are more equal than others ...


A Montana Republican party official “would have shot” Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs if he had approached her as he did Greg Gianforte, who assaulted Jacobs one day before he was elected to Congress.

Jacobs approached Gianforte in May, in a room where he was about to give a television interview. The Republican slammed Jacobs to the floor, breaking his glasses, and then punched him several times.

Gianforte plead guilty to misdemeanor assault, apologized to Jacobs and donated $50,000 to the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ).

“If that kid had done to me what he did to Greg, I would have shot him,” Karen Marshall, vice-president of programs for Gallatin County Republican Women told the Voice of Montana radio program on Thursday.

Marshall also described herself as a “friend” of Gianforte. According to federal records, a Karen Marshall from Bozeman, Montana, donated the federal maximum of $2,700 to Gianforte’s campaign for Congress.

The altercation occurred in a private room at a campaign event, after Jacobs asked Gianforte a question about healthcare. Several reporters were invited to the event, a picnic.
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“That kid came on private property, came into a private building, and went into a very private room that I would not even have gone into,” Marshall said. “It was a setup. A complete setup. He just pushed a little too hard.”


Link
   1734. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 21, 2017 at 02:16 PM (#5559549)
Nancy Pelosi says why she needs to stay on as House Democratic Leader:
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Friday she needs to keep her leadership position so there is a "top" woman at the table when decisions are made.

Shame on the people who said she was just hanging on because she couldn't abide the thought of longtime rival Steny Hoyer succeeding her. She has reasons.
   1735. BDC Posted: October 21, 2017 at 02:31 PM (#5559555)
pass along BIG THANKS

Cheers, CoB, I will do that :)
   1736. greenback wears sandals on his head Posted: October 21, 2017 at 02:34 PM (#5559556)
I wonder how the timing of the latest O'Reilly revelation was decided. Nonetheless $32 million is a #### ton of money. It leads to the obvious conclusion that "nonconsensual sexual relationship" is a euphemism for rape.

Maybe Mike Pence is right.
   1737. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 02:50 PM (#5559560)
BDC Jr says that Fort Buchanan's commissary (San Juan PR) is open to civilians who need food and water; lines are long but everyone seems upbeat about the situation. His unit is off to the south side of the island today, to clear roads, as a prelude to civilian crews trying to get the power grid up and running again.
Traitor reveals troop movements; details at 11.
   1738. Greg K Posted: October 21, 2017 at 03:00 PM (#5559565)
Notice that Steaming Dump doesn't provide a link here?

I'm too lazy to flip back to the last page. Has someone changed their handle to "Steaming Dump" or is Clapper just really mad at someone?

On an unrelated note, I see my conspiracy minded friends are all excited on facebook at Trump's announcement that he is going to release secret government files on the JFK assassination. I feel like a year ago I'd have been able to tell if that was a real thing, or just something going around the ChemTrails discussion forums.
   1739. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 03:08 PM (#5559568)
“Somebody who speaks to common-sense American values — that is what the Democrats need.” I’m not sure who that person is, but I am pretty sure she or he does not reside in New York, Massachusetts or California.

No Real Americans there eh? Once we get rid of those unproductive backwaters we can really start to make America great again.
Kevin Williamson has yet another brilliant response to the idiotic Trumpist arguments along those lines: The White-Minstrel Show:
The results are quite strange. Republicans, once the party of the upwardly mobile with a remarkable reflex for comforting the comfortable, have written off entire sections of the country — including the bits where most of the people live — as “un-American.” Silicon Valley and California at large, New York City and the hated Acela corridor, and, to some extent, large American cities categorically are sneered at and detested. There is some ordinary partisanship in that, inasmuch as the Democrats tend to dominate the big cities and the coastal metropolitan aggregations, but it isn’t just that. Conservatives are cheering for the failure of California and slightly nonplussed that New York City still refuses to regress into being an unlivable hellhole in spite of the best efforts of its batty Sandinista mayor. Not long ago, to be a conservative on Manhattan’s Upper East Side was the most ordinary thing in the world. Now that address would be a source of suspicion. God help you if you should ever attend a cocktail party in Georgetown, the favorite dumb trope of conservative talk-radio hosts.

We’ve gone from William F. Buckley Jr. to the gentlemen from Duck Dynasty. Why?

American authenticity, from the acting-even-whiter point of view, is not to be found in any of the great contemporary American business success stories, or in intellectual life, or in the great cultural institutions, but in the suburban-to-rural environs in which the white underclass largely makes its home — the world John Mellencamp sang about but understandably declined to live in.
RTWT.
   1740. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 03:40 PM (#5559569)
the world John Mellencamp sang about but understandably declined to live in


Wait a sec, John Mellencamp still lives right outside Bloomington Indiana, last year I went by his house with a friend of mine who is from Bloomington.

I love John Mellencamp, he's a no-doubt inner-circle rock music HOFer in my book.
   1741. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 03:58 PM (#5559573)
Any criticism for those who, despite knowing of his terrible behavior, continued to genuflect to Weinstein even after this 2009 essay he penned, in which he referred to child anal rape as a "so-called crime?"

Harvey Weinstein: Polanski has served his time and must be freed

It's a shocking way to treat a man who went through the Holocaust and his wife's murder
Monday 28 September 2009 23:00 BST


The Independent Online

Roman Polanski is a man who cares deeply about his art and its place in this world. What happened to him on his incredible path is filled with tragedy, and most men would have collapsed. Instead, he became a great artist and continues to make great films. I was with him the day he won the Legion of Honour in France, which was a spectacular day. I remember the incredible love and affection that people have for him.

Now Thierry Frémaux, the director of the Cannes film festival, and I are calling on every US filmmaker to lobby against any move to bring Polanski back to the US, where he could face life in jail.

Whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served his time. A deal was made with the judge, and the deal is not being honoured. The theory going around is that the reason Switzerland cooperated and acted on a longstanding extradition order with the United States this time was because of their own troubles in the financial crisis.

I hope the US government acts swiftly because because film makers are looking for justice to be properly served. I will be organising the effort myself by emailing everybody I know to sign the petition. And I know that Thierry Fremaux has got hold of Nicolas Sarkozy.


Did Meryl or Hillary or Clooney or Damon or John Oliver or Stephen Colbert call out Weinstein as a child-rape apologist in 2009?

We will have to speak to our leaders as well – particularly in California. I'm not too shy to go and talk to the Governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and to ask him once and for all to look at this.


No, I don't believe you _are_ too shy to do this, given your lack of shyness in standing over unwilling women as you're masturbating in front of them.

I also absolutely love that "art" gets fawned over to this ridiculous degree. Art is entertainment, nothing more. Films are not "important."
   1742. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5559578)
the world John Mellencamp sang about but understandably declined to live in

Wait a sec, John Mellencamp still lives right outside Bloomington Indiana, last year I went by his house with a friend of mine who is from Bloomington.

Ah, but is he a cutter or one of those tony IU snobs?
   1743. tshipman Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:24 PM (#5559579)
More details are starting to emerge on why US troops died in Niger:

Just how was it left to Nigerian troops, French helicopters and some contract aircraft to find and fetch the bodies of our heroic service members killed in Niger?

Why did they apparently have so little air or intelligence muscle to protect them in the first place? We could get a final answer after the completion of a Benghazi-style after-action probe by the United States Africa Command, or AFRICOM.
But what already seems likely is that at least some of the blame lies with those who set in motion a bewildering series of actions.
The timeline begins on September 24, when the Trump administration suddenly and inexplicably added Chad to the list of countries whose citizens would be included in the latest iteration of the president's travel ban. Chad and its leaders were utterly blindsided as there was no sense whatsoever that this nation has harbored or even encouraged terrorists -- certainly no more culpable than such nations as Iraq, Pakistan, Sudan, or for that matter Chad's neighbors Mali, Niger and Nigeria, none of which were included on this list.
...

It seems that US Homeland Security gave all countries 50 days to meet a "baseline" of security conditions, including producing a counterfeit-proof version of their passport to prove that they were reliable enough to allow their citizens into America. But Chad, desperately poor, had quite simply run out of passport paper.
They reportedly offered to provide a pre-existing sample of this type of passport. No dice. The next thing they knew they were on the banned list, alongside their arch enemy Libya and other clearly terrorist-driven nations.
Barely a week after the announcement of the new travel ban, the Chadian government suddenly began pulling hundreds of their fighters from Niger. There was no immediate explanation, though the nation's communications minister Madeleine Alingué condemned the Trump administration's unheralded move, observing that it "seriously undermines" the "good relations between the two countries, notably in the fight against terrorism." Hard to be more direct than that.
   1744. Swoboda is freedom Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5559580)
Ah, but is he a cutter or one of those tony IU snobs?

He is a cutter, but pretends he is from Italy.
   1745. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:26 PM (#5559581)
“If that kid had done to me what he did to Greg, I would have shot him,” Karen Marshall, vice-president of programs for Gallatin County Republican Women told the Voice of Montana radio program on Thursday.

Marshall also described herself as a “friend” of Gianforte. According to federal records, a Karen Marshall from Bozeman, Montana, donated the federal maximum of $2,700 to Gianforte’s campaign for Congress.

“That kid came on private property, came into a private building, and went into a very private room that I would not even have gone into,” Marshall said.

Given Mizz Marshall's political leanings, I assume she's referring to a transgender bathroom.
   1746. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:27 PM (#5559582)
Roman Polanski is a man who cares deeply about his art and its place in this world.

Still a voting member in good standing with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences. Never understood how Hollywood perceived a fugitive who fled the country to escape punishment to be a "victim".
   1747. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5559583)
“If that kid had done to me what he did to Greg, I would have shot him,” Karen Marshall, vice-president of programs for Gallatin County Republican Women told the Voice of Montana radio program on Thursday.


If I did it tomorrow she wouldn't do ####. Man, Dittoheads love their tough-talking blowhards. Between her and Ted Nugent we're lucky anyone is left alive.
   1748. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5559584)
More details are starting to emerge on why US troops died in Niger:


This is not Trump's Benghazi


Maddow’s speculation, which mirrors a conspiracy theory pushed by the Palmer Report, a fringe website, might be tempting to believe, but it makes several key errors. First, there is simply no evidence that the withdrawal of Chadian forces from Niger had anything to do with the ambush. Examining the basic geography of the crisis makes this clear. Chad’s involvement in Niger was limited to the fight against Boko Haram, a Nigeria-based extremist movement that terrorizes civilians in northwest Nigeria, southeast Niger, southern Chad, and northern Cameroon. The Chadians were deployed to the Diffa region, where they fought effectively against Boko Haram and restored a semblance of stability to communities the extremists had terrorized. Their withdrawal has upset communities in the Diffa region, who (rightly) believe that their own government’s forces are incapable of protecting them from a renewed Boko Haram threat.

As you can see from this map, Diffa is on the opposite side of Niger from Tongo Tongo, where the ambush occurred. Nigerian forces and their American advisers in this region of Niger were not dealing with Boko Haram but instead were working to protect communities from other extremist groups that are active in the region where Mali, Niger, and Burkina Faso meet. One of these groups, the Islamic State in the Greater Sahara, is suspected of perpetrating the Niger attack.

Chadian forces were not involved in counterterror efforts in this area. There are Chadians involved in the fight against ISGS and other extremist groups across the border in northern Mali, where they continue to serve, but they do not engage in Niger.

In her segment, Maddow incorrectly claimed that Chadian forces were protecting civilians from the ISIS-affiliated ISGS. This simply isn’t true; Chadian forces were never fighting ISGS in Niger. They were fighting a completely different enemy in a different part of the country.

Might the withdrawal of the Chadians have somehow emboldened ISGS to feel more confident in attacking American forces in Tongo Tongo? It’s unlikely due to the geographic factors noted above. There’s also no evidence that Niger withdrew troops from its west to fill the security vacuum left by the Chadians in the east. Even if that had happened, Nigerien military forces are so weak that their presence likely would have made little difference in the moment of crisis.


[edit] map for reference at link
   1749. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:32 PM (#5559585)
Still a voting member in good standing with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences. Never understood how Hollywood perceived a fugitive who fled the country to escape punishment to be a "victim".


Because Art, man. God answers only to self-proclaimed heroes who fight society's wrongs and give themselves awards for the Important Work they do: artists.

Setting aside Weinstein's immoral defense for Polanski above, the only reason Weinstein hilariously wrote how great Art and Artists are without blinking an eye is that the media and society has conditioned people to believe it's true.
   1750. tshipman Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5559586)
Still a voting member in good standing with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences. Never understood how Hollywood perceived a fugitive who fled the country to escape punishment to be a "victim".


Really? You never understood how a community managed to downplay and shill for someone who admitted to sexual crimes?
   1751. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:48 PM (#5559590)
Roman Polanski is a man who cares deeply about his art and its place in this world.

Still a voting member in good standing with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences. Never understood how Hollywood perceived a fugitive who fled the country to escape punishment to be a "victim".
Worse, they often use a cliché about the situation causing him to be forced into exile. But he's not an American! He's not in exile; he's living at home!
   1752. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:51 PM (#5559591)
I also absolutely love that "art" gets fawned over to this ridiculous degree. Art is entertainment, nothing more. Films are not "important."
Raybot doesn't understand -- and, we can all assume, doesn't care about -- art. Just because Hawaii 5-0 is nothing more than entertainment does not mean all art is.


(To be clear, I absolutely agree that, "But he's a great artist" is not a defense to, or even a mitigating factor to, a crime.)
   1753. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:53 PM (#5559592)
Raybot doesn't understand -- and, we can all assume, doesn't care about -- art. Just because Hawaii 5-0 is nothing more than entertainment does not mean all art is.


What's the last movie that fundamentally changed society?
   1754. simon bedford Posted: October 21, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5559593)
Norman Mailer would disagree with you David, he once argued loudly and publicly that a criminal, a murderer I think , should be excused because the guy could write well according to Mailer.
   1755. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5559594)
Birth of a Nation?
   1756. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5559595)
What's the last movie that fundamentally changed society?


Is that your threshold as to whether something is important? It has to fundamentally change society? By that metric, how many things are/have been important?
   1757. simon bedford Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:05 PM (#5559597)
an inconvenient truth?
   1758. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5559598)
I do tend to stay away from the movies people think are "important." So if the movie synopsis starts with:

A Jewish boy...
An African American girl...
A gay male...
A transgender woman...

I stay away. I'm not interested in going to the theater to watch movies dealing with social issues. To me the theater is an escape, a chance to unplug. Which is why I enjoy a cheesy action flick or a generic story such as a bank robbery rather than "A Catholic boy who is coming of age questions his religion."

(Lately no war movies or horror movies and I pick and choose my dramas. I'm down to action and comedy, mostly.)
   1759. Greg K Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:26 PM (#5559599)
I just handed back a film review assignment in my European studies class. Basically asking what does this film tell us about European/nation X's society? It seemed to have worked as most of the papers were a bit more thoughtful than the type I usually get.

The students seemed eager to jump on the German options (The Lives of Others, Die Welle), but not so much the French ones. I was hoping to entice them with some Romanian stuff. But only one of them took me up on 4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days.

It seems like it went well, I'm thinking of having a film analysis component of an upper level International Relations theory class I might be teaching next term. Any ideas for films?
   1760. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:28 PM (#5559600)
Norman Mailer would disagree with you David, he once argued loudly and publicly that a criminal, a murderer I think , should be excused because the guy could write well according to Mailer.

And about six weeks after John Henry Abbott was released, largely on account of Mailer's publicity campaign, he stabbed a waiter to death.

Mailer wasn't the only writer who's mistaken literary talent for a greater virtue. William F. Buckley, Jr., spent years trying to gain the release of the convicted murderer Edgar Smith, on the grounds that he was innocent. The only real difference between that case and Mailer's was that it took Smith five years to stab his next victim, but while he was at it he also confessed to the first murder.
   1761. BDC Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5559601)
What's the last movie that fundamentally changed society?

As Misirlou says, this depends on definitions and thresholds. It may also depend on long-delayed and accumulative cultural work. And on the question of whether movies merely reflect ideas that would have been in culture anyway, or are formative of those ideas.

Take movies like The Grapes of Wrath, or The Ox-Bow Incident, or 12 Angry Men. (Or just about any think piece with Henry Fonda, apparently :) None of these movies got people rioting in the streets afterwards, but how many minds did they form over the years about society, justice, the legal system? They might well operate even at a distance, on people who never saw them, as their themes were imitated and re-imitated.

Or take 60s/70s classics of irreverence and antagonism toward American certainties: The Graduate, Easy Rider, M*A*S*H. Did they just pick up what was "in the wind," or did they play a large part in getting certain attitudes into the wind?

Hard to say, but hard to say there was no impact either. Not all movies have the ambitions of An Inconvenient Truth (as Simon notes), but not all have the effect of Paul Blart Mall Cop.

   1762. BDC Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5559602)
I'm thinking of having a film analysis component of an upper level International Relations theory class I might be teaching next term. Any ideas for films?

I didn't think Babel was wholly effective, but it sure comes to mind quickly in that context.

The Battle of Algiers is one that a lot of people cite. It seems to have defined the events it relates, to the point where people use it as shorthand for historical reality.

   1763. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5559603)
I stay away. I'm not interested in going to the theater to watch movies dealing with social issues. To me the theater is an escape, a chance to unplug. Which is why I enjoy a cheesy action flick or a generic story such as a bank robbery rather than "A Catholic boy who is coming of age questions his religion."
This is priceless. Ray starts with the claim that films are not important, and supports it with the argument that he's just not interested in films that are important.

(Lately no war movies or horror movies and I pick and choose my dramas. I'm down to action and comedy, mostly.)
But not too long, right? Because then you lose interest in the middle.
   1764. BDC Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:35 PM (#5559605)
Traitor reveals troop movements; details at 11

I laughed – though quite honestly, I do think of that. The 8 months or so my son was in Iraq, I said nothing about nothing he was doing, even though he spent most of the time cutting lumber.

I figured on this current mission, I could relax a bit. If the next hurricane reads BBTF and finds out where the New York National Guard is going, I guess it's on me :-D
   1765. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:39 PM (#5559606)
What's the last movie that fundamentally changed society?

Birth of a Nation?

I don't know whether you can say that Griffith's masterpiece of racist propaganda "changed" society, but it certainly accelerated its already existing movement in a downward direction.

Other than that, I can't think of any films that did more than influence a small number of people, though in some cases that influence was profound. I remember in the late 60's when The Battle of Algiers was playing in repertory houses in big cities and university towns all over the country, you'd often hear of self-styled "revolutionaries" sitting there in the audience taking notes.

And if you listened to the grownups in the early-mid-50's, the young Marlon Brando had a certain amount of influence on their innocent children with The Wild Ones, but again, that was more reflection than cause.

But then most movies, at least the Hollywood versions, are at most reflections of pre-existing societal trends. Whatever effect they may have is more long range and subtle.
   1766. Satan Says Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:42 PM (#5559607)
The '70's was a different time. Polanski faced a month in jail. Steven Tyler lived with his 14-year-old groupie gf after her parents signed over their rights to him. The Rolling Stones sang about not needing any id from their teen groupies.

People used to be considered adults upon reaching sexual maturity. Now they are considered kids well into their 20's. I'm not arguing Polanski's not a creep seducing teenage girls (obviously it wasn't just one), but where there is opportunity, men the world over are no more picky than Mick Jagger. Particularly if they have lawyers on the payroll.

And, of course, teenage boys are not even part of the conversation.

The only thing that will ever work -- and has worked well -- is to empower women from an early age socially, economically, and otherwise to resist sexual exploitation at the hands of men, not become even more paternalistic in protecting the little women of the world.
   1767. Satan Says Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:45 PM (#5559608)
Why do people argue with Ray?

That's entertainment!
   1768. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5559610)
I also absolutely love that "art" gets fawned over to this ridiculous degree. Art is entertainment, nothing more. Films are not "important."


Was it your keen sense of what was important in the universe that directed you to a career as someone who fills out paperwork for other people?
   1769. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:49 PM (#5559611)
The '70's was a different time. Polanski faced a month in jail. Steven Tyler lived with his 14-year-old groupie gf after her parents signed over their rights to him. The Rolling Stones sang about not needing any id from their teen groupies.


Careful about regaling us with tales of underage carnality from the 70s or we'll have to have an uncomfortable discussion about why Donald Trump would allow Ted Nugent into the Oval Office.
   1770. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:50 PM (#5559612)
Mailer wasn't the only writer who's mistaken literary talent for a greater virtue. William F. Buckley, Jr., spent years trying to gain the release of the convicted murderer Edgar Smith, on the grounds that he was innocent. The only real difference between that case and Mailer's was that it took Smith five years to stab his next victim, but while he was at it he also confessed to the first murder.
No, the real difference is that WFB thought his guy was innocent, while Mailer didn't care.
   1771. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:54 PM (#5559614)
What's the last movie that fundamentally changed society?
What about The Innocence of Muslims?
   1772. Omineca Greg Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:56 PM (#5559616)
It seems like it went well, I'm thinking of having a film analysis component of an upper level International Relations theory class I might be teaching next term. Any ideas for films?

The Sorrow and the Pity
The Syrian Bride
Dr Strangelove
   1773. simon bedford Posted: October 21, 2017 at 05:56 PM (#5559617)
True enough David, from my hazy recollection ( and I am sure Andy will know the details better) Mailer was using this guy for info on his Gary Gilmore book ( executioners song? I think) and figured since he was a killer he would have great insight etc. The whole story stunk and the Gilmore book was awful as well.
   1774. Satan Says Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:05 PM (#5559620)
Art is about sensing the world from a different perspective than one's own, with a particular focus on beauty (aethetic pleasure, s'il vous plait).

Perhaps if we paid it more mind we wouldn't have a reality teevee star as President.

Still, like all beautiful things, art is of superfluous value in a cold, cruel world. But what else matters without beauty?
   1775. Greg K Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:08 PM (#5559621)
Battle of Algeirs and Dr. Strangelove seem like no brainers! [note: this isn't meant as a slight on those who suggested them, more in the vein of implying that I have no brain for not having thought of them]

A list I've compiled so far (based on searching around other IR/Film courses and some of my own ideas):

Blackhawk Down
V for Vendetta
Fight Club
The Mission
Frantz (I seem to be just shoe-horning this movie into every conversation I've had lately)
In the Loop
Syriana/Zero Dark Thirty/Rendition
District 9

There are some interesting articles out there that apply various IR theories to the Godfather, and Pulp Fiction. But, I kind of feel like they don't leave much room for students to do their own analysis.
   1776. Greg K Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:10 PM (#5559622)
Star Trek VI was another fun suggestion I've seen.
   1777. Satan Says Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:11 PM (#5559623)
If the US hadn't re-instituted cruel and unusual punishment, Mailer wouldn't have written that book.
   1778. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:12 PM (#5559624)
I'm not arguing Polanski's not a creep seducing teenage girls (obviously it wasn't just one), but where there is opportunity, men the world over are no more picky than Mick Jagger. Particularly if they have lawyers on the payroll.

Polanski wasn't charged with statutory rape - "consensual" sex with someone under the legal age of consent - but with forcible rape. That seems to repeatedly get muddled up, again mostly with the Hollywood crowd.
   1779. Satan Says Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:15 PM (#5559628)
Watched Bertolucci's The Conformist this week. More interesting as art than politics, but yhere's definitely an internationaist component. If nothing else, its influence on The Godfather and 70's American cinema.
   1780. PreservedFish Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:19 PM (#5559631)
I also absolutely love that "art" gets fawned over to this ridiculous degree. Art is entertainment, nothing more. Films are not "important."


I don't disagree with this actually. Art is, more or less, entertainment. Of course there's a spectrum of artistic ambition - I'm not going to say that Bruckheimer and Tarkovsky are exactly equivalent - but I'm very suspicious of anyone that says THIS is art but THAT is merely entertainment. There are miles of gray area and overlap, and authorial intention isn't the final word, either, and new audiences will interpret different works as inhabiting different spots on that continuum.

But it doesn't follow that neither art nor entertainment can be important. Art is a fundamental human endeavor and one in which virtually every living human finds much importance. "Star Wars" has made hundreds of millions of people happy. So has Led Zeppelin. So has Stephen King. Why can't we say that they're important?

(It's very funny to see Ray slag off movies with a clear social agenda (and hey, I agree, I avoid those too) but also apparently anchor the idea of "importance" in art's ability to affect social change.)
   1781. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:24 PM (#5559632)
This is priceless. Ray starts with the claim that films are not important, and supports it with the argument that he's just not interested in films that are important.


Not exactly; I had scare quotes around the last word in your above summary.
   1782. Satan Says Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:29 PM (#5559633)
Trump says he's going to release the JFK files. Wonder if this will help GOP funraising as much as his other tweets.
   1783. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:43 PM (#5559634)
Clapper, #1724:
Well, no, that is shabby analysis, at best... Gonfalon is heavily into smoke & mirrors


I'll strive to de-shab my thinking. Maybe someday I'll even improve to fair-minded, quality analysis: that the 2017 Senate Democrats are shockingly, unprecedentedly obstructionist, while the 2016 Republicans were merely following the long-established Senate traditions of judicial review.

To think of the camaraderie and statesmanship we had just one year ago but have since lost... it brings a tear to the eye.


Redneck, #1769:
Careful about regaling us with tales of underage carnality from the 70s or we'll have to have an uncomfortable discussion about why Donald Trump would allow Ted Nugent into the Oval Office.


So they could compare notes?


Satan, #1782:
Trump says he's going to release the JFK files.


Man, Trump really hates Ted Cruz.
   1784. Hot Wheeling American Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:47 PM (#5559637)
Watched Tokyo Story for the first time this afternoon. From Ebert's essay:
From these few elements Yasujiro Ozu made one of the greatest films of all time. "Tokyo Story" (1953) lacks sentimental triggers and contrived emotion; it looks away from moments a lesser movie would have exploited. It doesn't want to force our emotions, but to share its understanding. It does this so well that I am near tears in the last 30 minutes. It ennobles the cinema. It says, yes, a movie can help us make small steps against our imperfections.


Of course, 'fundamentally changed society' is...a bit of a high bar.
   1785. Satan Says Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:50 PM (#5559638)
25 Best Arthouse Flicks

Seen all but Satyajit Ray and Terrence Davies. Can't go wrong with any of them.
   1786. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:54 PM (#5559640)
My understanding is that this was scheduled to happen in the near future well before Trump was elected.
   1787. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:58 PM (#5559641)
We’ve gone from William F. Buckley Jr. to the gentlemen from Duck Dynasty. Why?


Because we're in Decline.

Duh.
   1788. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 06:59 PM (#5559642)
Blackhawk Down
V for Vendetta
Fight Club
The Mission
Frantz (I seem to be just shoe-horning this movie into every conversation I've had lately)
In the Loop
Syriana/Zero Dark Thirty/Rendition
District 9


I like several of these, but to claim any of these "fundamentally changed society" seems a delirious over-reach.
   1789. PreservedFish Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:03 PM (#5559643)
My moving watching pattern has changed dramatically since having children. I used to go to plenty of movies every year, lots of art house stuff, local film festivals and such. Sometimes on days off I'd watch 3 movies in a row, on my projector, delivery pizza, no need to shower or change out of my pajamas all day long.

Now? Once every 8-10 months I go to a movie, usually by myself. And if I'm going to see one movie in the theater, then it's going to be big, loud, and have explosions and aliens, goddammit.

Of course now I have plenty of time to watch movies after kids bedtime... but the artsy stuff puts me to sleep too quickly late at night. So if I make it through a movie on my couch, odds are it was the latest Liam Neeson kills filthy Russians flick.
   1790. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:04 PM (#5559645)
I like several of these, but to claim any of these "fundamentally changed society" seems a delirious over-reach.


Well, that's because you are buying into Ray's ridiculous premise that something has to have fundamentally changed society in order to be important. Something doesn't have to rise to the level of the Black death, The Renaissance, or the Industrial Revolution to be important.
   1791. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:11 PM (#5559650)
The Battle of Algiers is one that a lot of people cite.


Certainly technically and aesthetically brilliant, but its primary influence lay in the romanticization of terrorists and terrorism -- the intellectual scourge of the era between about 1965-75. Its true antecedents are things like The Triumph of the Will.
   1792. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:14 PM (#5559652)
My understanding is that this was scheduled to happen in the near future well before Trump was elected.

Well, sort of. A1992 law mandates release of the material this year, but allows the President to withhold material on national security grounds:
The release of the information being held in secret at the National Archives — including several thousand never-before-seen documents — was mandated to occur by Oct. 26 under a 1992 law that sought to quell conspiracy theories about the assassination.

Mr. Trump has the power to block the release of the documents, and intelligence agencies have pressured him to do so for at least some of them. The agencies are concerned that information contained in some of the documents could damage national security interests.

The area of concern seems to involve Lee Harvey Oswald's 6-day trip to Mexico City a few weeks before the assassination, where he met with Russian & Cuban spies, and came under CIA surveillance. Could be some concern about revealing sources & methods, but it's from 54 years ago.
   1793. Satan Says Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:14 PM (#5559653)
Wstching on the big screen is so much better, even in the digital age. The emotional impact is so much greater. Trying to go 3-4 times a month, mix between new and retrospective.

Also watch 3-4 streaming per week. Latest was Fritz Lang's You Only Live Once. A bit sappy, but some great shots.
   1794. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:15 PM (#5559654)
The Grapes of Wrath
Fight Club
District 9
V for Vendetta
There Will Be Blood



Speaking of which... Texas Democrats smell blood in the water for 2018:
In the first three elections following the adoption of the current congressional districts in 2012, only one of the Texas’s 36 districts, the 23rd Congressional District (which runs from San Antonio to El Paso and has been represented by a Republican since 2015), was considered competitive. Democrats running in Texas’s other 24 Republican-held districts raised a paltry combined total of $434,000 during the entire 2016 election cycle.

...Through Sept. 30, Democratic candidates running in the 24 GOP held districts, excluding the 23rd, had already raised $4.5 million dollars: more than 10 times what Democrats raised in the same 24 districts during the entire 2016 electoral cycle. Candidates in the 7th ($1.9 million) and 32nd districts ($1.0 million) raised almost two-thirds of this $4.5 million.

...Rep. John Culberson will face his most competitive general election ever to defend his seat in the 7th... Every one of the four top-tier [Democratic] candidates has a realistic chance to make the runoff... All are first-time candidates, but successful professionals in their respective fields. Combined, the four have raised $1.9 million, ranging from a low of $251,000 (Westin) to a high of $667,000 (Triantaphyllis).

...Rep. Pete Sessions in the 32nd did not face a Democratic rival in the 2016 general election. In 2018 he will be confronted with his most competitive general election race in more than 20 years... the competition is expected to boil down to a face-off between two top-tier candidates. In one corner is former NFL linebacker, Obama administration official and current civil rights attorney, Collin Allred. The other is former Obama administration official and Hillary Clinton campaign operative Ed Meier.

...In the 23rd...after two narrow losses, Democratic powerbrokers in Washington and San Antonio (e.g., Joaquín and Julián Castro) have tapped former prosecutor, and Harvard Law School classmate of the Castros, Jay Hulings, to be their nominee in 2018. The 2018 election will test Rep. Will Hurd’s ability to outperform his party in a district Trump has put squarely into play.
   1795. simon bedford Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:16 PM (#5559655)
I sense that during the American revolution SBB was pulling for the English, after all you can support "terrorists" right?
   1796. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:16 PM (#5559656)
I remember in the late 60's when The Battle of Algiers was playing in repertory houses in big cities and university towns all over the country, you'd often hear of self-styled "revolutionaries" sitting there in the audience taking notes.


Though it obviously still appeals to people of a certain bent (and typically, age), a moral nadir beyond much question.
   1797. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:18 PM (#5559657)

Well, that's because you are buying into Ray's ridiculous premise that something has to have fundamentally changed society in order to be important. Something doesn't have to rise to the level of the Black death, The Renaissance, or the Industrial Revolution to be important.


Well, I was merely responding to the question asked, but ok, if we're reducing the question to the level of "important" ... how many of those film qualify?

Look, out of that list, I love "In the Loop" and "The Mission", but that probably makes me one of what ... at most a couple MILLION people in this country that can say that?

How is that "important"?

"Blackhawk Down" is pro-HOORAH faffing about; utterly defanged from the dirty questions the book posed.

"District 9" is a VFX trailer reel wrapped in liberal catnip.

Shrug.


   1798. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:19 PM (#5559658)
AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.

SOMEONE CLOSE THEIR ITALICS!
   1799. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:19 PM (#5559659)
#### IT.
   1800. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 21, 2017 at 07:20 PM (#5559660)
NEVER
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