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OTP 18 September 2017: Ex-Baseball Star Darryl Strawberry Criticizes Jemele Hill, Praises POTUS: Trump is ‘A Great Man’

“I think no one should call anyone anything. President Trump, he’s a great man to me. He was always gracious to me. I really love him, his family, I was on his show and he’s always been kind to me… I’ve known him quite well and every time I’ve seen him and been around him he’s always been so gracious with me and I’m always grateful for that.”

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 18, 2017 at 07:53 AM | 1552 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1301. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:20 PM (#5537432)
70 year old man thinks the NFL was better before the rules changes turned the players into fairies. Film at 11.

I expect Ray to show up and lecture everyone about the use of homophobic language, as he did with the c*ckholster saga. Oh wait.
   1302. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:24 PM (#5537433)
Ahem ... #1278 ... or was that too subtle?
   1303. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:26 PM (#5537435)
I'm not shedding any tears for this professor, who was placed on administrative leave. Are you?

The issue wasn't the number of tears I'm shedding for this professor; the issue was a politician weighing in on who should be fired from their jobs.


I guess I also think that the 100% difference between what de Blasio and the John Jay administrator were reacting to and what Trump was reacting to is an overriding factor. What Kaepernick did was a standard issue form of silent protest that was a variant of what many others have done, athletes among them. What that John Jay professor tweeted was obscene beyond belief. I'd be somewhat surprised even to see a teacher's union try to organize any sort of protest against his being placed on leave. You might as well hire a Klansman as a professor.
   1304. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:42 PM (#5537439)
Is there anything beneath Trump?


Reading a book?

The stupider Trump gets the stupider The Stupids have to get to defend him. It's his ability to be obviously stupid and wrong while avoiding any consequences that they admire so.
   1305. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5537445)
What Kaepernick did was a standard issue form of silent protest that was a variant of what many others have done, athletes among them.


Well, that doesn't seem to be how the left is treating this. A protest typically means risking something to stand up for what's right. But the left thinks that nothing should be risked; they're outraged that the NFL has -- allegedly -- blackballed Kaepernick for protesting. That's not quite the case -- the headache factor is real but if Kaepernick were a better quarterback he'd have a job -- but even if it were completely representative of what's going on... that's what a protest IS. The idea that a multi-millionaire is being "courageous" by not standing for the anthem is silly enough, but even crediting it as being courageous, you're not "courageous" if you're risking nothing.
   1306. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:53 PM (#5537447)
Principled, then?
   1307. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:00 PM (#5537452)
A protest typically means risking something to stand up for what's right. ... that's what a protest IS.


So suck our pungent balls, marches, petitions, boycotts, letter-writing campaigns, candlelight vigils, editorials, press conferences, picketing, phone calls, voter registration drives, rebuttals, leaflets, prayer circles, speeches, artistic protests, teach-ins and lobbying.
   1308. Lassus Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:04 PM (#5537453)
Law firms -- at least those in NYC and at least those who are more than a few practitioners -- go out of their way to be diverse. I imagine this suit is followed around the country.

The fact that Ray thinks everywhere else is just like where he lives on Riverside Drive in Manhattan is how we get his RACISM LOLWUT viewpoint of America.
   1309. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:18 PM (#5537460)
Riverside Boulevard. Extends down from Riverside Drive. It's a new street the creation of which Trump was instrumental in in the 1990s. Adjacent to the Hudson River.

Apparently he was sued by the people who thought they had riverfront views forever, though I haven't fact checked this.

Some of the buildings on the street have removed his name -- though those are the rental buildings. There's a ton of red tape with respect to the condo buildings doing so.

You don't want to have to tell your friends and relatives that you live in a Trump Building, dontchaknow. Because then you would be living a life of hypocrisy.
   1310. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:23 PM (#5537463)
But our heritage!
   1311. Count Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:38 PM (#5537467)
Gotta assume these aren't good faith arguments. Ray doth protest too much
   1312. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:43 PM (#5537468)
Every thread, the Great Trumpkin rises out of the pumpkin patch that he thinks is the least sincere.
   1313. Count Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:00 PM (#5537473)
To be slightly more charitable perhaps Ray is *accidentally* confusing "protest" with "civil disobedience." It still wouldn't make sense (the notion that you can't call someone courageous for doing something that affects their livelihood and then complain when their livelihood is affected is obviously ridiculous and not thought out) but it would be closer.

I believe the protests were initially about police violence. Kaepernick's politics are not entirely coherent, though, and he's veered off in a number of directions in the last year plus. Still disgusting that the NFL would blackball him. (And they are blackballing him; I am the rare anti-anti-Kaepernick person who thinks he is a pretty bad QB at this point, but he is clearly better and has more upside than many backup and even starting QBs).
   1314. Count Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:03 PM (#5537475)
Big NYC law firms do have many pro-diversity policies, yet -and this may shock you- the partnership ranks are tilted to white men from wealthy backgrounds. There are relatively few black or hispanic or even asian partners and there is a big gender disparity.
   1315. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:17 PM (#5537484)
King Carney continues to focus on the important issues.

You Stupids must be so proud of your king.
   1316. dlf Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:28 PM (#5537486)
In any event, I haven't followed the reasons for Kaepernick's protests but I assumed Trump was one of them. Does Kaepernick's protesting of the anthem have nothing to do with Trump??


CK started kneeling during the pre-season games last August well before DJT was elected. His public statements on the reasons for the protest have, to the best of my knowledge, never included the current President, but instead have focused on police brutality and differential treatment by the police of minority suspects.
   1317. dlf Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:33 PM (#5537490)
... I can tell you that when Big Luther, we call him now Big Luther, did people call you Big Luther before you met Trump? You know, I brand people. Some people I brand as this or that, I, we don’t have to go into it because a lot of them are now friends of mine. A lot of them are friends of mine, but, so nobody ever called you Big Luther, I think it’s a great name, the guy’s seven feet tall, what are you going to do, call him? Can’t call him, I can never call him Little Luther, right? But I do, I just saw him, I said, ‘He’s Big Luther.’


I really don't get why DJT feels a need to lie about irrelevant things. Taking credit for something important, or maybe, just maybe, something where you can't easily be proven wrong, I'd understand. Coming up with a nickname for the 6'9" Luther Strange and calling him "Big Luther" isn't exactly a breakthrough on the level of E=MC<sup>2</sup>. But this is emblematic of his casual disregard for truth - Strange has had that nickname as long as he has been in politics, predates DJT calling for BHO's birth certificate, and I would be willing to bet any amount, predates DJT having any clue who Luther Strange is.

edit: darn it, I thought I knew how to use superscript.
   1318. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:50 PM (#5537498)
In any event, I haven't followed the reasons for Kaepernick's protests but I assumed Trump was one of them. Does Kaepernick's protesting of the anthem have nothing to do with Trump??
Correct. Kaepernick's kneeling was about police brutality towards blacks. It began before Trump was elected (i.e., last season, when Kaepernick actually had an NFL job). I'm sure Kaepernick doesn't like Trump, but the kneeling had nothing to do with him.

(Though if he had an NFL job this year, I'm sure it would. Given that Trump supports police brutality and all.)

EDIT: Coke to dlf.
   1319. BDC Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:57 PM (#5537501)
Riverside Boulevard. Extends down from Riverside Drive. It's a new street the creation of which Trump was instrumental in in the 1990s. Adjacent to the Hudson River

I reckon the building where they thought they had views forever is the Chatsworth at 72nd Street. When the Chatsworth was built in the early 20th century, they had views of the river but also of the rail yards and the engine house of the New York Central & Hudson. It was a gritty part of New York at the time; proximity to the rail yards and docks meant there were a lot of warehouses and stables and workers' homes there. A bit further east there were "model tenements." But the Chatsworth was very elegant, and its builders took a chance on the site because Charles Schwab, the gazillionaire, was building a fantastically huge mansion on the entire block between Riverside Dr, 11th (West End) Ave., and 73rd/74th Streets. The neighborhood never did live up to these two follies, though parts of the Chatsworth survived to be landmarked (the Schwab house is long gone). The whole area was heavily "renewed" in the Robert Moses era and continued to be in the neoliberal Trump times that followed, as you note.

Sorry, I warned y'all I was a bit of a nerd on this stuff :-D
   1320. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: September 23, 2017 at 08:36 PM (#5537510)
I support Kaepernick and don't care much at all for the militarism of NFL culture. That is a distinct, distinct minority position in this country. There's no political hay to be made in backing CK, and much to be made backing the NFL and its militarism and its embrace of our flag and our "heroes."

People play directly into Trump's hands, and hurt CK's cause, when they continually lose their #### like this.

   1321. Greg K Posted: September 23, 2017 at 08:36 PM (#5537511)
Two guys, just, beautiful tackle, BOOM, FIFTEEN YARDS, the referee gets on television, his wife is sitting at home, she’s so proud of him, they’re ruining the GAME! Right? They’re ruining the game. Look, that’s what they want to do. They want to hit. They want to hit. But it is hurting the game.

I'm surprised YR hasn't come in here yet drawing the parallels between this and Vince McMahon back in 2000 or so.

Maybe this whole being the President thing is just the building of an elaborate platform to re-launch the XFL.
   1322. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 08:39 PM (#5537513)
L+T court favors landlords in that most of the tenants are unrepresented and the landlords' attorneys are in front of the courts constantly (see the classic essay about repeat players versus one shotters). It is not difficult for a landlord to take advantage of an unrepresented tenant with a BS rent breakdown or failure to inform the tenant or the court that the building is de facto rent stabilized etc. Even when the tenants get lawyers they've often already signed a bad stipulation or defaulted or fallen way behind on rent that they could or should have had subsidized. The judges vary considerably in their sympathy towards tenants.
The fact that landlords may have better representation than tenants (which is often true for corporate landlords, but very often not for the individual owner renting out a house or apartment¹) is a very different claim than landlord tenant court favoring landlords. Certainly in NY, the court does not, because the laws do not. A tenant who pays no rent for extended periods can drag out evictions for long periods of time; a landlord who makes a single mistake, no matter how small, will find himself having to start over in the eviction process. Even the trivialist of code violations can be enough to prevent an eviction. And the tenant can always thwart the process by catching up on his back rent after the process has begun; LL/T court will virtually never allow an eviction if the tenant does so. (Tenants who don't know how to work the system will get every benefit of the doubt from the courts; tenants who do, of course, don't need that benefit of the doubt.). God forbid the landlord ever try to engage in self-help.



¹In fact, there's bunches of pro bono help available for tenants -- though not enough to meet demand -- but virtually none for landlords.
   1323. dlf Posted: September 23, 2017 at 08:52 PM (#5537521)
#1322 - My data is a little dated, but in NY, the average length of time between borrower default on a mortgage (not rental) and the subsequent eviction completed in 2015 was over 950 days. Kings County was over 1200. Prior to the housing crash in '07, NY was around 250 days from default to eviction. Mandatory mediation - routinely continued if the borrower asked - together with mandatory loss mitigation options and other state laws, plus crazy judges like Judge Schack who decide the role of the bench is to advocate for a party - have made it possible to buy a house with little or nothing down, make no payments, and essentially have free rent for 3 years.
   1324. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:36 PM (#5537537)
The idea that a multi-millionaire is being "courageous" by not standing for the anthem is silly enough


What's orders of magnitude sillier is the Prtesiedent of the US wading in on such a trivial matter. Par for the course I suppose for such a trivial person. Not that Trump would know what par means. he's far too busy to play golf amiright?
   1325. greenback wears sandals on his head Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:29 PM (#5537601)
The President of the United States just stated this:

Just heard Foreign Minister of North Korea speak at U.N. If he echoes thoughts of Little Rocket Man, they won't be around much longer!
   1326. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 02:54 AM (#5537619)
Still disgusting that the NFL would blackball him. (And they are blackballing him; I am the rare anti-anti-Kaepernick person who thinks he is a pretty bad QB at this point, but he is clearly better and has more upside than many backup and even starting QBs).


If he were actually better than many starting QBs he'd have a job.

Better than many backups? Sure. That's not worth the headache.
   1327. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 03:00 AM (#5537620)
Correct. Kaepernick's kneeling was about police brutality towards blacks. It began before Trump was elected (i.e., last season, when Kaepernick actually had an NFL job). I'm sure Kaepernick doesn't like Trump, but the kneeling had nothing to do with him.


I don't see why the cutoff would be before Trump was elected; if Kaepernick's kneeling started in August 2016, that's well after Trump had the nomination. And after the country was basically in a state of perpetual outrage over any number of things he had said.

But ok, the protest is not primarily about Trump, I suppose I could go along with. It's fair to say that Trump is baked in somewhere, though, unless Kaepernick has come out and stated that he has no problem with Trump.

(Though if he had an NFL job this year, I'm sure it would. Given that Trump supports police brutality and all.)


Does Trump support police brutality and all, or can David not identify humor and all?

Or is it TDS.
   1328. Ishmael Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:05 AM (#5537621)
Does Trump support police brutality and all, or can David not identify humor and all?

Trump has been fairly consistent and explicit in his statements about violence by the police against members of the public, hasn't he?
   1329. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:35 AM (#5537623)
Does Trump support police brutality and all, or can David not identify humor and all?
Trump supports police brutality and all. HTH.


Now, does Ray support Trump and all? Yes.
   1330. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:37 AM (#5537624)
It's fair to say that Trump is baked in somewhere, though
No, it isn't. Please. Stop.
   1331. Lassus Posted: September 24, 2017 at 07:09 AM (#5537627)
when they continually lose their #### like this.

It is your 12-dimensional chess idol who is continually losing his shit.
   1332. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 07:17 AM (#5537628)
But ok, the protest is not primarily about Trump, I suppose I could go along with.


"Primarily", LOL. What a major concession on your part. How mighty white of you.

It's fair to say that Trump is baked in somewhere


Well it will be now. Your combover god saw a chance to look stupid in public, and lord knows he ain't gonna miss out on that.
   1333. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 07:23 AM (#5537629)
I'm surprised YR hasn't come in here yet drawing the parallels between this and Vince McMahon back in 2000 or so.


Given that Trump is a slow-witted nincompoop who mindlessly parrots anything he hears that tickles his amygdala without regard for veracity, I'm guessing McMahon was actually the source for his public attack at the NFL. His cabinet had more wrestling promoters than scientists.
   1334. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 07:30 AM (#5537630)
Last week the mayor of NYC told John Jay college
Speaking of de Blasio, and rent control, did people around here notice this doozy from last week?
What’s been hardest is the way our legal system is structured to favor private property. I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development.

...

Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see,
Pretty much de rigueur for someone who has praised Hugo Chavez, worked for the Sandinistas, and honeymooned in Cuba.
   1335. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 24, 2017 at 07:32 AM (#5537631)
Ray, #1327:
Does Trump support police brutality and all, or can David not identify humor and all?

Or is it TDS.



I'm still chuckling over Trump's standup comedy about roughing up suspects and slamming their heads into police car roofs. Which he performed in front of an audience of Suffolk County cops whose previous chief is in prison for committing police brutality.

Ray, again and again, you insisted that what made Stephen Colbert's "cockholster" joke not just unfunny, but a vicious act of homophobia, was that it was "mean-spirited." Yet you can see that Shecky Trump had that mischievous twinkle in his eye when he humorously told police it's okay to injure people in custody. Of course, comedy, like a policeman's nightstick, is in the eye of the beholder.
   1336. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 24, 2017 at 08:54 AM (#5537635)
At last, Ray 'n' Rockwell now have a safe space where they can't be harmed by mean old feminazis and their sister travelers....

Ladies Gentlemen and gentlemen, welcome to MGTOW**. No girls allowed.

And no, this is not a subset of The Onion, though it took awhile for me to be convinced it wasn't.

** Men Going Their Own Way
   1337. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 09:24 AM (#5537637)
Sounds kinda faggy. And not in a good way.
   1338. Greg K Posted: September 24, 2017 at 09:30 AM (#5537638)
Interesting reading. Or maybe my standards for "interesting" are warped by the fact that I've been reading about 17th century cloth-export policy since 4am.

The "Blue Pill Hell" section seems to have a lot of guys who have come out of some bad relationships. I have to think there is a more constructive way to deal with that, like through a base of grounded friends and family who can provide some perspective. It's like a Mets thread in there.
   1339. Greg K Posted: September 24, 2017 at 09:53 AM (#5537641)
Also, that site brings across to me the advantages of BTF.

Having baseball as the common theme here actually allows for a fair amount of diversity in a politics thread like this. Having a site built around a common political theme gets you an echo chamber and rounds of high fiving that easily put this place to shame.

Though, I do realize the irony of suggesting we pat each other on the back for not being the type of place where everyone constantly pats each other on the back.
   1340. Nero Wolfe, Indeed Posted: September 24, 2017 at 10:33 AM (#5537645)
After Trump's silly little tirade about firing NFL players for kneeling during the anthem, what do you think the participation rate among players will be today? Over/under 50%?
   1341. BDC Posted: September 24, 2017 at 10:36 AM (#5537647)
I've been reading about 17th century cloth-export policy since 4am

I got up this morning and read a few chapters of Alessandro Baricco's novel Silk, the premise being that a French trader goes to still-not-quite-"open" Japan in the mid-19th century to replenish his supply of silkworms. An interesting book so far, kind of gauzy and poetic. Seems a little like Silence with dry goods instead of Jesuits. Apparently Silk was made into a terrible film, 7 on the Tomatometer.
   1342. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 10:48 AM (#5537651)
what do you think the participation rate among players will be today? Over/under 50%?


Under. They're dumbasses.
   1343. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:01 AM (#5537653)
what do you think the participation rate among players will be today? Over/under 50%?

Under. They're dumbasses.

I guess it depends on how you're counting. Here's what happened before this morning's Ravens-Jags game in London, according to the NFL's website:

Players on the Jacksonville Jaguars and Baltimore Ravens sidelines linked arms and some took a knee during the singing of "The Star-Spangled Banner" before the start of Sunday's game at Wembley Stadium in London.

Terrell Suggs was among a group of Ravens players who took a knee during the national anthem, which included former Ravens great Ray Lewis. It appeared every player on the Baltimore Ravens' sideline locked arms in a sign of solidarity -- coach John Harbaugh among them.

Every player on the Jaguars also appeared to lock arms before the game, with team owner Shad Khan and coach Doug Marrone among them.

The sign of solidarity comes two days after President Trump stated at a political rally in Alabama that team owners should fire players who fail to stand for the national anthem prior to games. The NFL, NFL Players Association and league owners have issued responses to Trump's statements.

If there's one thing this demonstrates, it's the absurdity of the idea that Kaepernick would be a "disruptive" factor within the NFL locker rooms. That "disruption" exists solely in the minds of morons like Trump.

And while the question on participation percentage among players is an interesting one, I wonder what percentage of fans will follow Trump's advice and walk out of the stadium if a player or players should ever have the nerve to take a knee during the Anthem? My guess on that one is 0.00%.
   1344. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:04 AM (#5537656)
I thought the locking arms was ok, but a bit weak. I'd prefer they all took a knee.

I agree that no fans are walking out. Football fans are morons, and they spend a lot of money on tickets that they won't just piss away.
   1345. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM (#5537661)
I thought the locking arms was ok, but a bit weak. I'd prefer they all took a knee.

Me, too, but then considering that not that many players actually agreed with Kaepernick's initial protests, that demonstration of solidarity with him still says a lot. I also don't think Trump made himself many fans among the players with his comments mocking the NFL's rules that are aimed at preventing injuries.

Back to that MGTOW website for male snowflakes, since I haven't actually clicked onto any of its many topic threads, I hadn't noticed this before, but now I see where Good Face is getting some of his lines. This is the summary of their "Blue Pill Hell" forum:
Call out the cathedral (and their hive) on their crap. Share, discuss, point and laugh at everything from stupid articles you read online, various anecdotes, TV shows, transparent nonsense you saw on the news...or anything within the real of mainstream media, film or advertising, double standards and "society" in general.


Hell, it's not just Good Face's nomenclature tutorial, it's Snowflake Ray's one stop shopping center!



   1346. Greg K Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:27 AM (#5537663)
I got up this morning and read a few chapters of Alessandro Baricco's novel Silk, the premise being that a French trader goes to still-not-quite-"open" Japan in the mid-19th century to replenish his supply of silkworms. An interesting book so far, kind of gauzy and poetic. Seems a little like Silence with dry goods instead of Jesuits. Apparently Silk was made into a terrible film, 7 on the Tomatometer.

I've seen the film. It has Keira Knightley in it, which makes "terrible" a technical impossibility in my books. But she's not in it much, and "terrible" is not far off.

EDIT: I had forgotten she's Natalie Portman's decoy in the Phantom Menace. I stand corrected on the terrible line.
   1347. Greg K Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:36 AM (#5537666)

I guess it depends on how you're counting. Here's what happened before this morning's Ravens-Jags game in London, according to the NFL's website:

I wonder if the British crowd (usually confused by national anthems before games) noticed that this was out of the ordinary.

Also...what's with the score, did they change the rules or something?
   1348. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:38 AM (#5537667)
Ray, again and again, you insisted that what made Stephen Colbert's "cockholster" joke not just unfunny, but a vicious act of homophobia, was that it was "mean-spirited." Yet you can see that Shecky Trump had that mischievous twinkle in his eye when he humorously told police it's okay to injure people in custody. Of course, comedy, like a policeman's nightstick, is in the eye of the beholder.
To be fair, telling cops to rough up suspects is obviously laugh-out-loud hilarious; it's not like Trump praised the Chinese government for its strength in murdering pro-democracy protesters in Tiananmen Square to keep order.
   1349. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:53 AM (#5537672)
it's not like Trump praised the Chinese government for its strength in murdering pro-democracy protesters in Tiananmen Square to keep order.


He might, if asked about it
   1350. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:57 AM (#5537673)
What, for a third time?
   1351. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 12:01 PM (#5537674)
Wait a second. I've not recognized wit? I feel shame.
   1352. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: September 24, 2017 at 12:31 PM (#5537685)
Locking arms, huh?

Wow.
   1353. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 24, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5537690)
Locking arms, huh?

Wow.


A bunch of them kneeled. Not all, probably not half, but a lot. Looked like 20 or so per team.
   1354. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:00 PM (#5537696)
The crowd at Foxboro booed at the end of the anthem after a brief cheer. I interpret that as booing the kneelers. Moronic football fans.
   1355. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:09 PM (#5537700)
Fans are allowed to express themselves too.
   1356. Count Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:29 PM (#5537702)
The fact that landlords may have better representation than tenants (which is often true for corporate landlords, but very often not for the individual owner renting out a house or apartment¹) is a very different claim than landlord tenant court favoring landlords. Certainly in NY, the court does not, because the laws do not. A tenant who pays no rent for extended periods can drag out evictions for long periods of time; a landlord who makes a single mistake, no matter how small, will find himself having to start over in the eviction process. Even the trivialist of code violations can be enough to prevent an eviction. And the tenant can always thwart the process by catching up on his back rent after the process has begun; LL/T court will virtually never allow an eviction if the tenant does so. (Tenants who don't know how to work the system will get every benefit of the doubt from the courts; tenants who do, of course, don't need that benefit of the doubt.). God forbid the landlord ever try to engage in self-help.

¹In fact, there's bunches of pro bono help available for tenants -- though not enough to meet demand -- but virtually none for landlords.


I don't think most tenants live in mom-and-pop buildings. And landlords often make many many "mistakes" and have defective rent demands with nonsense rent breakdowns (the errors tend to favor landlords, funnily enough) or don't notify Section 8 or falsely represent their building is not rent stablized etc. etc. Not to mention keeping their apartments in garbage condition and not being responsive to tenants with severe hazards. Those aren't minor problems. Landlords will usually get away with it unless a tenant gets representation. And it makes sense to strictly hold landlords to demand and notice requirements when someone's apartment is on the line.

There are also definitely tenants who are chronically late with rent or don't pay it. Landlords often end up getting paid by HRA (basically, government programs that give "one time" payments to landlords with the goal of helping low income people to avoid eviction). They can bring chronic rent delinquency cases, but yes, that is a long process. It's still bizarre to look at the landlord / tenant relationship in NYC, or in the courts, and think the landlords have the short end of the stick.

   1357. Count Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:30 PM (#5537703)
Kind of funny that the NFL owners are now showing solidarity yet Kaepernick still doesn't have a job. Trump is a galvanizing force...
   1358. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:34 PM (#5537705)
Fans are allowed to express themselves too.


They usually do.
   1359. Count Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:36 PM (#5537707)
If he were actually better than many starting QBs he'd have a job.

Better than many backups? Sure. That's not worth the headache.


I think he's been pretty bad the last couple years,, but we're three weeks in and there are already a bunch of garbage QBs starting that Kaepernick is better than and he doesn't have a job, because he's being blackballed. This isn't a secret - the Ravens owner said he was hesitant to sign him, for example.
   1360. Ishmael Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:45 PM (#5537710)
Any thoughts on the German Elections? Looks like the CDU are going to do a little worse than expected, the SPD are not going to form a grand coalition, and the AfD have lived up to expectations.

Merkel will have to thread the needle with an FDP and Green coalition.

It's a big day for the minor parties.
   1361. zenbitz Posted: September 24, 2017 at 01:45 PM (#5537711)
Trumps still mad about the USFL isn't he?
   1362. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: September 24, 2017 at 02:20 PM (#5537723)

It's a big day for the minor parties

CDU/CSU is already an alliance, they win less than 33 percent of the vote, and looks like their down ~87 seats, the same number AfD wins...and NYT calls it a solid victory for Merkel. Her union party won't even be able to form a governing coalition for months.

Perhaps there was some risk in making Germany central to the European Union.
   1363. Sebastian Posted: September 24, 2017 at 03:09 PM (#5537733)
Looks like there’s a chance AfD will win 88 seats. Because of course they will. Anyway, let’s return to our regular programming.
Great solidarity for our National Anthem and for our Country. Standing with locked arms is good, kneeling is not acceptable. Bad ratings!

Is that what the locked arms were about? Solidarity for the national anthem? I don’t speak American gestures, but that would have not been my first guess.
   1364. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 03:17 PM (#5537736)
there are already a bunch of garbage QBs starting that Kaepernick is better than and he doesn't have a job, because he's being blackballed.
That's a bit oversimplified. Not only was Kaepernick not good the last couple of years, but all of the positive contributions he made came from his legs, not his arm. You can't simply plug in a running QB into an offense built around passing; you have to make adjustments to the roster and game plan. Which is worth it if you expect the guy to be around for a while and make useful contributions.
   1365. Ishmael Posted: September 24, 2017 at 03:22 PM (#5537740)
CDU/CSU is already an alliance, they win less than 33 percent of the vote, and looks like their down ~87 seats, the same number AfD wins...and NYT calls it a solid victory for Merkel. Her union party won't even be able to form a governing coalition for months.

Allying with the Greens won't be a natural coalition, certainly. But don't forget Germans are perfectly comfortable with coalitions in general - every government since 1949 has been a coalition, many with three or more parties.

I was interested to read Merkel's conciliatory remarks to AfD voters. That's a tricky tightrope to walk, just ask David Cameron. I wonder what concessions Merkel might be able to make to the nationalist vote.

AfD is also a bit of a mess internally, not to mention full of some real maniacs. It'll be interesting to see how they function as a parliamentary party, with the increased spotlight that comes with it.
   1366. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 24, 2017 at 03:41 PM (#5537741)
Great solidarity for our National Anthem and for our Country. Standing with locked arms is good, kneeling is not acceptable. Bad ratings!


Is that what the locked arms were about? Solidarity for the national anthem? I don’t speak American gestures, but that would have not been my first guess.

Bob Costas says that if he owned an NFL team, he'd have the P.A. announcer introduce the SSB with the following words:
“Please stand for the National Anthem and the ideals it represents.”

I have a hunch that a similar sentiment brought about those linked arms today. Carl Schurz's thoughts about patriotism have a lot more to recommend them than Donald Trump's.
   1367. Greg K Posted: September 24, 2017 at 04:52 PM (#5537758)
AfD is also a bit of a mess internally, not to mention full of some real maniacs. It'll be interesting to see how they function as a parliamentary party, with the increased spotlight that comes with it.

Yeah it was a roller-coaster campaign for them. Had time for a couple internal coups and changes in leadership. In terms of the coalition government that will form, it'll be a new group (at least at the federal level, I think those parties have worked together in regional governments), but I wouldn't be expecting much in the way of radical change.

On the big issue of Brexit, I don't think this changes much. Though at least this (the uncertainty of what would happen in the election) removes one more barrier to actually making some progress to a settlement.

A Guardian writer made a point earlier today that the one place a FDP rather than SPD coalition can tell is in Greece, where, unless I'm mistaken, the FDP is no fan of continued bail outs.

You'd think at a certain point the SPD would return to being a relevant party...but if they aren't by next election, after spending a few years in opposition, then who knows.
   1368. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 04:56 PM (#5537761)
   1369. Greg K Posted: September 24, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5537762)
Calling this a "solid victory" for Merkel seems wrong though.

I mean, we're not talking about a Theresa May level technical victory/de facto humiliation...

It's more like...a blow to the notion that Merkel sits astride Europe at her leisure, but:

A] That was always a bit of a false impression
and
B] It likely doesn't do much damage to her ability to actually govern (it may signal that this is her last term, but I kind of got the impression she was leaning that way anyway)
   1370. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:14 PM (#5537769)
It's fair to say that Trump is baked in somewhere, though

No, it isn't. Please. Stop.


Yes, I'm sure Kaepernick loves Trump.

Anyway, there's no doubt now that there's a massive Trump-related factor to these stupid protests.
   1371. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5537770)
RG3 is out of the league. And he didn't even kneel during an anthem. If he'd done so we'd get the same silly Kaepernick type rationale.
   1372. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:21 PM (#5537771)
It wasn't just the Ravens and the Jags who made some sort of statement today. At least three teams remained in their locker rooms during the Anthem.

Seahawks, Titans players don't take part in anthem

Players on the Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans did not take part in the national anthem ceremony prior to their game on Sunday. Both teams stayed in their respective locker rooms during the anthem.

The Seahawks' players announced in a statement they chose not to take since they "will not stand for the injustice that has plagued people of color in this country."


(The Seahawks' players full statement is on the link.)
The Titans' organization released a statement minutes before the anthem:

"As a team, we wanted to be unified in our actions today. The players jointly decided this was the best course of action. Our commitment to the military and our community is resolute and the absence of our team for the national anthem shouldn't be misconstrued as unpatriotic."

Teams that don't participate in the anthem before are subject to fines by the NFL, but a league source told NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport that the Seahawks and Titans will not be fined.**

The decision to not take part comes two days after President Trump said NFL teams should fire players who do not stand during the national anthem. On Saturday, the NFL and NFL Players Association released responses to Trump's comments, and team owners have been responding throughout the weekend.

In each of Sunday's early games, players protested and showed signs of unity on the sideline during the national anthem. Nearly all of the Pittsburgh Steelers' players stayed in the locker room during the national anthem prior to their game against the Chicago Bears.

** If Trump had an ounce of sense, at this point he'd just drop the subject.
   1373. zenbitz Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:24 PM (#5537773)
How many anthems has Kaepernick protested since DT was inaugurated?
   1374. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:32 PM (#5537776)
Anyway, there's no doubt now that there's a massive Trump-related factor to these stupid protests.


It's unfortunate there aren't any serious global matters of the sort that could keep a President's attention away from sticking his nose into the NFL's business.

Maybe there's some secret subliminal messaging from the Master Persuader going on here. "He doesn't care if football players get brain damaged, and he LIKES football! Imagine what he'll be doing to you North Koreans!"
   1375. dlf Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:35 PM (#5537779)

It's unfortunate there aren't any serious global matters of the sort that could keep a President's attention away from sticking his nose into the NFL's business.



Hmmm, I wonder who else has said that ... linkity poo.
   1376. Morty Causa Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:44 PM (#5537782)
Yeah, I'd say it's almost like one-half of his brain doesn't know how the other half lives, but of course he doesn't have a brain. He just has a mass of ganglia at the base of his empty skull.
   1377. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:45 PM (#5537785)
Hmmm, I wonder who else has said that ... linkity poo.


I bet there are dozens of those examples.
   1378. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:46 PM (#5537786)
He's like an earthworm, but more slimy and full of ####.
   1379. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:49 PM (#5537787)
No, he knows, but he doesn't care. He thinks his base will dismiss it all as fake. He played them for the imbeciles they are.
   1380. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 05:58 PM (#5537791)
I bet there are dozens of those examples.
There are hundreds. Virtually every single thing he does, there's a tweet where he blasted Obama for doing it. (And a future post from Ray defending Trump for doing it.)
   1381. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:01 PM (#5537792)
** If Trump had an ounce of sense, at this point he'd just drop the subject.


If he keeps it up he might not win the election.
   1382. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5537795)
If you keep it up I'll demand $2200 when/if the election is overturned.
   1383. JJ1986 Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:16 PM (#5537796)
Why is Trump upset about players kneeling now? Was there a segment on Fox News about it this week? Or is he pissed at Steph Curry but confused about what sport he plays?
   1384. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:18 PM (#5537797)
#1370:
Anyway, there's no doubt now that there's a massive Trump-related factor to these stupid protests.


Golly, what could the mystery X factor in that turn of events possibly be?
   1385. Greg K Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:34 PM (#5537799)
The NFL Red Zone guy seems to have taken Trump's comments as a personal insult.

Though of course, not the protest stuff, but the stuff about football being boring.
   1386. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:42 PM (#5537800)
The NFL Red Zone guy seems to have taken Trump's comments as a personal insult.

Though of course, not the protest stuff, but the stuff about football being boring.


Point taken, but if many fans hadn't already been coming to that conclusion, the Red Zone feature wouldn't have been seen as even being necessary. Short attention spans don't plague only baseball.
   1387. cmd600 Posted: September 24, 2017 at 06:46 PM (#5537801)
If Trump had an ounce of sense, at this point he'd just drop the subject.


And let Mueller, or Kushner's email, or our meager support of Puerto Rico, or the impending slap-fight with NK, except with nuclear weapons, get an appropriate level of attention?
   1388. Hot Wheeling American Posted: September 24, 2017 at 08:29 PM (#5537817)
Honor the freedoms you have by doing exactly what we tell you to do:

@kylenabecker
Just to be perfectly clear: Conservatives and true Americans will not tolerate any protest during national anthem, no matter what the cause.
3:49 PM - 23 Sep 2017


Such pieces of ####
   1389. dlf Posted: September 24, 2017 at 08:42 PM (#5537820)
If he keeps it up he might not win the election.


I'd do the whole strikethrough thing and replace "win the election" with "repeal and replace" or "build the wall" or "run ISIS off the internet" or "add $20B to fund school choice programs" or "save the coal industry" or "invest $550B in infrastructure" or "eliminate common core" or "enact a lifetime prohibition against WH officials lobbying for foreign governments" or "lock her up" or ... But, hey, having won the election is what it is all about rather than enacting policies that you've campaigned on, right? I mean I could really get behind some significant roll backs to the CFPB and Dodd-Frank, but heck, now that a R has won the election, who needs more?
   1390. Chicago Joe Posted: September 24, 2017 at 09:43 PM (#5537832)
Back to that MGTOW website for male snowflakes



GF is a proud, proud boy, I'm guessing.

Proud Boys

Sounds like an Austrian soccer team.
   1391. PreservedFish Posted: September 24, 2017 at 10:06 PM (#5537837)
I too listened to This American Life today.

This trend in our culture - the rise of nerdy pathetic unfuckable angry white boys - is dismaying.
   1392. Chicago Joe Posted: September 24, 2017 at 10:56 PM (#5537847)
This trend in our culture - the rise of nerdy pathetic unfuckable angry white boys - is dismaying.


"Rise"? There's nothing new about this....there is the internet, now, though. And I'm not so sure about the unfuckable part; I just think they don't like the terms they feel they've been forced to accept.
   1393. PreservedFish Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:01 PM (#5537850)
In the past they would have been ostracized into irrelevance, or, even better, would have been forced to get their #### together and join society. With the internet they can find each other and form a little disgusting subculture and agitate.
   1394. Chicago Joe Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:09 PM (#5537853)
In the past they would have been ostracized into irrelevance, or, even better, would have been forced to get their #### together and join society.


In the past, they would have just shut the #### up.
   1395. dlf Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:28 PM (#5537856)
This trend in our culture - the rise of nerdy pathetic unfuckable angry white boys - is dismaying.


Funny. With some notable exceptions, I don't think most of the posters here are particularly angry, but from a board of overwhelmingly white males who are obsessed with baseball and politics, the ########### of the group isn't quite going to challenge Wilt Chamberlain's records.
   1396. Chicago Joe Posted: September 24, 2017 at 11:49 PM (#5537862)


Funny. With some notable exceptions, I don't think most of the posters here are particularly angry, but from a board of overwhelmingly white males who are obsessed with baseball and politics, the ########### of the group isn't quite going to challenge Wilt Chamberlain's records.



Well, true, but I don't hear too many people complaining that that is somehow an injustice. Except for one notable exception, who seems to take his talking points directly from those proud, proud boys.
   1397. PreservedFish Posted: September 25, 2017 at 12:02 AM (#5537870)
Few Chads here perhaps, but plenty of Normies.
   1398. Chicago Joe Posted: September 25, 2017 at 12:08 AM (#5537872)
Nobody's content to be Norm anymore. Sad!
   1399. Chicago Joe Posted: September 25, 2017 at 12:08 AM (#5537873)
Make that a double.
   1400. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 25, 2017 at 12:52 AM (#5537885)
Basically what Trump is doing is forcing the NFL to take a stand:

Are you for America or against it?

The NFL per the CBA is supposed to fine players for not standing during the anthem.
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