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OTP 19 February 2018: Does Buster Posey Have a Post-playing Career in Politics?

Buster Posey is one of the most accomplished catchers in baseball history. At 30 years old, he already has a Hall of Fame resume.

In eight full seasons with the Giants, Posey has won National League Rookie of the Year, NL MVP, four Silver Slugger awards, a Gold Glove, and is a five-time All-Star. While he still has plenty of years left, Posey has naturally thought a bit about what he would like to do once his playing days are done.

But, politics? Well, kind of.

 

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 19, 2018 at 08:04 AM | 2205 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   701. SteveF Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:51 PM (#5628216)
I was not speaking precisely; if you want to put a tally on the pedantry scoreboard on your side, I will concede the point to you.

That's no slam dunk. The issue isn't simply whether or not the law applied to his car, but whether the police office who issued the citation had the authority do so on the private property in question.

It's quite possible they didn't.
   702. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5628217)
I see Ray is back to the "Unless you were willing to assassinate Trump, it was dishonest to call yourself NeverTrump" idiocy.

And with Andy's backing!


It may not be quite the highest order of praise, but Ray himself in the oval office would be like Gabriel over the White House before his auto accident. Trump is much more like "Gabriel" after his recovery, as few people who ever watched that movie would disagree.
   703. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:53 PM (#5628218)
Meh - much as I'd certainly have preferred #NeverTrump meant voting for the only person able to prevent him, however loathsome one might find it - I can understand the idea of one's ideology and policy perspectives simply would not allow casting a vote for Hillary.

We kicked it about plenty in 2016... Had Trump won the Democratic nomination - no way in hell I'd have voted for him. I don't care what he'd have promised or said he supported, he's a ridiculous and awful person. The majority of GOP opponents, I'd have probably voted for against him... Certainly Kasich. Ted Cruz would be a tough one. Probably Rubio or Jeb. Carson? I'd have probably gone blank at the top spot or probably wrote in someone else (couldn't see myself voting Jill Stein).

After/if a Democratic Trump had won in November, I'd still have vocally advocated the electors actually exercise their charge to vote for someone else in December - knowing full well the effort would be doomed.

After his swearing in? I'd certainly have welcomed Merrick Garland to SCOTUS. If he had signed, say -- some kind of universal Medicare legislation? I'd laud the legislation - but I certainly wouldn't give him any credit for managing to sign his name (and I'd probably just keep quiet if he had actually done any politicking for it).

I definitely wouldn't waste an ounce of breath defending him... Given that his running mate was probably a pretty bog standard Democrat, I'd more than likely be supportive of showing him the door... perhaps even loudly. I most certainly wouldn't be engaging in any ridiculous conspiracy theories to defend him. My opinion on investigations of him would be "Great, I hope you find something impeachable." Even if you don't, I'd probably still stick my opinion on the Republican Trump - impeachment is a political action wholly at the discretion of Congress, not a legal action - so pick the best thing we'll go with that.

My opinion on "Democratic President Trump" would be entirely #### him. I'll take the baubles, but he can find someone else to carry his water.
This was a thoughtful read, zonkie.
   704. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:53 PM (#5628219)
Good to see the FL Legislature has their priorities in order

Florida House refuses to debate guns, declares porn dangerous

The Florida House of Representatives was in session on Tuesday considering several issues. These included a motion to debate a bill banning the sale of assault weapons in the aftermath of the mass shooting that killed 17 people last week at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., and a resolution declaring pornography a public health risk.

The House chose not to consider the gun-control bill.

It later passed the resolution claiming that porn is dangerous.
   705. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:57 PM (#5628222)
It may not be quite the highest order of praise, but Ray himself in the oval office would be like Gabriel over the White House before his auto accident. Trump is much more like "Gabriel" after his recovery, as few people who ever watched that movie would disagree.
Do you still carry this film's ticket stub around with you? (smile)
   706. DavidFoss Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:57 PM (#5628223)
Under the standards you set prior to H Clinton being outed as the party ultimately behind the dossier, H Clinton colluded with the Russians for the purpose of influencing the election. And she actively sought out the Russians for such collusion, and engaged in far more episodes of collusion than Trump's people. There's simply no way around that, other than pure partisan hackery.

Republicans on one of the oversight committee asked Sessions to appoint a special counsel into looking into the actions that you're describing and he said no. Yet it was this administration's DOJ that appointed Mueller.

Trump ran on a promise to 'lock her up' but then he changed his mind after he got elected. I mean, if the evidence is there, go ahead. What is stopping him?
   707. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5628224)
The House chose not to consider the gun-control bill.
It later passed the resolution claiming that porn is dangerous.



There are a lot more messy shots to the face in porn than with guns.
   708. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 21, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5628225)
Trump ran on a promise to 'lock her up' but then he changed his mind after he got elected. I mean, if the evidence is there, go ahead. What is stopping him?


Wild guess - cue SCARY music - The Deep State! Or perhaps the Derp State.
   709. Shredder Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5628230)
And just what does a President have to do in order to earn your principled opposition? Shoot up a group of worshipers at the Wailing Wall?
Well, for one, support a deal that doesn’t result in the sufficient number of dead Iranians, where “sufficient” means “all of them”. At least if you’re asking Jason.
   710. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5628233)
Anyway, Ray, you *still* fail to grasp the purpose of #NeverTrump during the 2016 campaign.


To falsely virtue signal that you were totally not a gauche Trump supporter, just minutes before dropping to your knees to bob his knob?
   711. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5628234)
Anyone want to start a pool on how long it is before Trump hits full-on Parkland Truther status?
   712. SandyRiver Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5628235)
Personally I believe the law should be that 5 shot revolvers and bolt actions rifles and single or double barrel shotguns should be the only allowable firearms to own and use.


This avid hunter agrees. There is no conceivable reason other than mass destruction for any more than that.


And this avid hunter respectfully disagrees, and not just because my go-to deer rifle is a Remington pump in .30-06. The venerable lever-action .30-.30 has almost certainly bagged more deer than any other firearm, mainly because it's been around for well over a century. Would be shoveling sand against the tide to outlaw those.

I'd support a 7-round maximum for centerfire rifles, capacity of those old levers, and 10 rounds for rimfire because of the millions of 10-.22s out there. Lacking expertise in handguns, I'll leave their regs for others to propose.
   713. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5628237)
It later passed the resolution claiming that porn is dangerous.


Pretty sure that kid in Parkland murdered 17 students by jacking off to the internet.
   714. BrianBrianson Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:19 PM (#5628239)
I'm pretty sure that's impossible. If you could murder kids by jacking off to the internet, I'd make Hong Xiuquan look like Bertold P. Wiesner </Dennis Miller>
   715. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5628241)
I'm pretty sure that's impossible. If you could murder kids by jacking off to the internet, I'd make Hong Xiuquan look like Bertold P. Wiesner </Dennis Miller>


winner. lol. Man I miss pre 9/11 dennis miller. Was watching some old Miller and Spade clips the other day, those guys crack me up man. Norm MacDonald as well. Norm's rant on smoking is classic.
   716. -- Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5628243)
Republicans on one of the oversight committee asked Sessions to appoint a special counsel into looking into the actions that you're describing and he said no.


Yes, exactly -- because there's nothing worth investigating. Now flip that around and you'll understand why several of us chuckle when people talk so breathlessly about DTJr's meeting with nutty Kremlin lawyer and RUSSIA! RUSSIA! generally.
   717. Traderdave Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:31 PM (#5628244)

I'd support a 7-round maximum for centerfire rifles, capacity of those old levers, and 10 rounds for rimfire because of the millions of 10-.22s out there. Lacking expertise in handguns, I'll leave their regs for others to propose.


Fair enough, I can agree with that. Note the difference between our max capacity is hair splitting. What is important is the elimination of high capacity semiautos and I'm guessing we both agree on that.

   718. BDC Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5628246)
I retain enough of what I learned from 1970s feminism to think that porn can be a danger to some of its participants. To the extent that trafficking and coercion are involved, to the extent that there are unsafe practices and physical risks, I would still be wary of giving porn a blanket thumbs-up. (Checks sentence for unintended puns, gives up because somebody'll find one anyway.)

But it's clear that pornography has changed its political value somewhat in the internet age. The sheer proliferation of custom varieties of professionally staged porn, combined with the flourishing of amateur and homemade porn, mean that a lot of the sex on display on the Web is likely consensual and safe, and even if particular kinky areas are too kinky for a given taste, they are likely to have been produced under fairly theatrical circs without harm to participants.

That's "somewhat." It would be naïve to think that everything in the business was sweetness and light and empowerment of women, but it's probably also not nearly what it was in Andrea Dworkin's day.

As to whether watching porn turns men into jerks … it might, but men seem to have been jerks since the days when you had to engrave your porn on cave walls. It's possible that a more liberal attitude toward porn might make men less likely to be jerks in real life. Certainly it couldn't hurt to try.

One thing's for sure: there are reps who voted for that "porn = bad" resolution who secretly consume tons of the stuff. That is inevitable.
   719. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5628249)
Long Josh Marshall essentially saying what I've been saying since last June....

But the biggest problem with this skeptics argument is this idea that if that explicit and formal agreement doesn’t exist – the “smoking gun” as skeptic Blake Hounshell puts it – that there’s “nothing there.” This strikes me as entirely wrong, not only as a legal matter but far more as a civic matter. This is for many reasons but the principal one is that corrupt transactions are often tacit. You’re helping me. I’m helping you. It’s a good thing for both sides. No need to complicate it.


Hell, my opinion is probably even kinder to Trump - at least in a way... Only a fool enters into an agreement with Trump - you'd be far better off, knowing him and his personality as well as I'm sure any nominally adversarial intelligence service does, knowing what pushes his buttons, knowing how prone he is to flattery, and recognizing that it's virtually open season on putting pieces into his orbit that either knowingly or partially knowingly will put into his ear the things "I" (being Putin/Russia) want in his ear. There was no limit to available resources - lackwits like Page, idiots who don't know anybody like one of his kids, or smarter but already compromised people like Manafort.

Why bother - why even try compromising a volatile and entirely untrustworthy Trump when it was a target-rich environment for lessers who could better accomplish the same goals at a mere fraction of the cost and risk? I presume Putin and company are smart enough to see that a direct puppet like Viktor Yanukovych in a country like Ukraine wasn't sustainable, so I highly doubt they believed they could do better in the US.

Now... after the conventions, in the fall? His 'orbit' inevitably starts to draw in some people who do know better because for better worse - some manner of Republicans who know better become involved... and no doubt, plenty of them are carefully framing and limiting their involvement to the sort of "well, hypothetically Donald..." I mean - let's make no mistake here... the Pages and Manaforts get exiled after this point - and given all the things Trump had said and gotten away with saying, I find it rather implausible this was all over concern that they would be some kind of fatal blow to the campaign. Granted, ##### grabber hadn't come out yet - but he'd already hugged totalitarians tightly in the GOP debates, we had voluminous interviews and clips of him saying damaging things, he had gone after a gold star mom, et al. It makes no sense that Page and Manafort both get exiled because they would doom Trump.

Far more likely, the people who "knew better" smelled enough to issue some "uh-ohs". Trump acted on those "uh-ohs", perhaps reconsidering meetings or information he might have heard or otherwise acted upon naively believing it was "just politics".

   720. -- Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5628252)
But the biggest problem with this skeptics argument is this idea that if that explicit and formal agreement doesn’t exist – the “smoking gun” as skeptic Blake Hounshell puts it – that there’s “nothing there.” This strikes me as entirely wrong, not only as a legal matter but far more as a civic matter. This is for many reasons but the principal one is that corrupt transactions are often tacit. You’re helping me. I’m helping you. It’s a good thing for both sides. No need to complicate it.


Yes, he very much seems to be throwing in the towel and falling back to the safe -- and far more sane -- redoubt of "civic matter."

But the same problems remain. Russia didn't really help Trump any more than it helped Clinton (through the dossier) -- to reiterate, its goal was to ####-disturb, not pick a candidate. And Trump hasn't "helped" Russia. The continuing reference to the Republican plank is comical on this front, to put it charitably. I haven't really addressed this to date, figuring that the comedic value would ultimately cause the proponents to, on their own accord, cease and desist.
   721. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5628255)
   722. zenbitz Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5628258)
The issue is not that JE and other #NeverTrumpers didn't actually vote for HRC ( I mean, really) -- the point is that they support him in thought and deed NOW.
   723. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 21, 2018 at 03:57 PM (#5628259)
Say, has anybody seen Adam Schiff's memo lately?


You mean the one that the GOP House and White House denied release of, in order to prevent anything contrary to their preferred conspiracy theory nutshit narrative being made public?
   724. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5628260)
But the biggest problem with this skeptics argument is this idea that if that explicit and formal agreement doesn’t exist – the “smoking gun” as skeptic Blake Hounshell puts it – that there’s “nothing there.” This strikes me as entirely wrong, not only as a legal matter but far more as a civic matter.


Josh is not stupid. Josh has to understand that the "skeptics argument" is built entirely and completely post hoc to provide cover to Republican politicians who refuse to impeach a clearly corrupt regime.
   725. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:04 PM (#5628261)
I see Ray is back to the "Unless you were willing to assassinate Trump, it was dishonest to call yourself NeverTrump" idiocy.


You can call yourself "NeverNFL!" but if all it means is that you won't watch Monday Night Football you've beclowned yourself.
   726. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:07 PM (#5628263)
The issue is not that JE and other #NeverTrumpers didn't actually vote for HRC ( I mean, really) -- the point is that they support him in thought and deed NOW.


Which was an obvious eventuality the moment they revealed that they weren't voting for Hillary in the general.

I called it at the time.
   727. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:07 PM (#5628265)
Poor Josh. That Browder fella just won't regurgitate his amazing talking points!
   728. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5628266)
You can call yourself "NeverNFL!" but if all it means is that you won't watch Monday Night Football you've beclowned yourself.
Wait, what?
   729. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5628268)
   730. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5628267)
   731. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5628270)
The issue is not that JE and other #NeverTrumpers didn't actually vote for HRC ( I mean, really) -- the point is that they support him in thought and deed NOW.


NeverTrump was for Republicans and other conservatives, obviously. It also was not some sort of life long blood oath, so I don't have a problem if changing circumstances and changing times mean a change in attitudes. It is OK when people change on things.

However, and you knew there had to be one, generally changes in attitudes are caused by an exogenous change. I don't think Trump has really changed. How he was before the election is how he was after the election and how he is right now. The thing that has changed is Trump is the President and many Republicans and conservatives have moved over to support Trump and there is a feedback loop which encourages others to do likewise (for a whole host of reasons), but still Trmp is the same guy, just now more dangerous because he has more power.

One wonders why a less powerful incompetent is viewed more harshly than the same incompetent with more power, but human nature pretty much explains it.
   732. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:14 PM (#5628271)
Are Dems eating their own in the battle to replace Issa?


It's California. Are all those candidates locally sourced, farm-to-table and organic?
   733. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5628273)
And how's Devin Nunes' memo doing?
Oh yeah? Your ####### still hurt? :)
   734. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5628275)
Oh, INDEED.
   735. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5628276)
New charges filed against Manafort (and Gates), but at the moment - they're under seal... could be worth watching.
   736. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5628277)
I don't know what the sealed charges are, so I chuckle at the loons who think it could possibly be something.
   737. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5628278)
We'll have to wait and see...

The new charging document filed in federal court in Washington could be a superseding indictment, adding new charges or even new defendants to the charges filed last October, accusing Manafort and Gates of money laundering and failing to register as foreign agents for their work related to Ukraine, among other crimes.

There was no immediate indication of new charges in the court's online docket, but a public, paper docket book kept in the clerk's office at U.S. District Court in Washington contained an entry showing sealed charges filed recently under the docket number for the Manafort-Gates case. The entry was undated but the sequence suggests the charges were filed Friday or later.

Last week, prosecutors told the court they'd received new evidence that Manafort took part in "a series of bank frauds and bank fraud conspiracies" in connection with a loan he sought in 2016. Mueller's team said Manafort obtained the loan using “doctored profit and loss statements” that overstated "by millions of dollars" the income of his consulting business.

The bank fraud allegations were disclosed in a bail-related court filing made public on Friday that did not contain any indication of what action, if any, Mueller's team planned to take over the alleged fraud.
   738. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:26 PM (#5628279)
Shadi Hamid:
Here's @mashagessen from her excellent piece, which just about sums it up:

"Loyal Putinites and dissident intellectuals alike are remarkably united in finding the American obsession with Russian meddling to be ridiculous"
   739. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5628280)

It also was not some sort of life long blood oath


That seems to disagree with the usage of "never". Maybe #NoTrumpUnlessHeWinsThenOhWell

   740. DavidFoss Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5628282)
New charges filed against Manafort (and Gates), but at the moment - they're under seal...

Schroedinger's Indictment

For the time being, it is *both* a bombshell *and* a nothingburger.
   741. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5628283)
NeverTrump was for Republicans and other conservatives, obviously. It also was not some sort of life long blood oath,


Life long? It didn't last until the general.

The Bill Kristols of the world tried and tried to derail Trump with their temper tantrums and their desperate Cruz-Kasich coalitions and their David French duds and with whoever that clown was (I'm forgetting his name at the moment) who after all of the hoopla laughably finished third in Utah and THAT was supposed to gum up the works for Trump. They tried and tried and utterly failed, beaten by a political novice who they were all Smarter than and who knew nothing about anything and yet the strategies he employed to win the election -- strategies that received as much criticism and mocking as any candidate before him -- succeeded in putting him in the White House.

Remember the "he's not spending enough money, he has no ground game, there are not enough campaign offices in XYZ states, he has alienated his party, no Republican in good standing will stand with him, the only celebrity who supports him is Scott Baio, the only newspaper that will endorse him is the Orange Times" type mockeries? The TDSers have tried hard to forget.
   742. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5628286)
Schroedinger's Indictment

For the time being, it is *both* a bombshell *and* a nothingburger.


I blame Mueller... if we weren't learning everything we learn from court filings that cannot be kept secret and instead, he was taking an uber to Comey's house to talk Russia with Obama and Hillary so as to feed information to Rachel Maddow - we'd know more.
   743. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:40 PM (#5628288)
Life long? It didn't last until the general.


Hey it was their movement, not mine. But I think for many (most?) it lasted until he became arguably the most powerful person in thew world.

Remember the "he's not spending enough money, he has no ground game, there are not enough campaign offices in XYZ states, he has alienated his party, no Republican in good standing will stand with him, the only celebrity who supports him is Scott Baio, the only newspaper that will endorse him is the Orange Times" type mockeries? The TDSers have tried hard to forget.


That mockery came from other quarters than the NeverTrump movement, so why you are inserting it into this discussion is ... interesting, but whatever. You also are mistakenly conflating NeverTrump with those you tag with TDS (dumbly, but still), they are not the same thing. More than black or white, there are many shades of grey and also colors even. Look at a rainbow sometime.
   744. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5628291)
743, NeverTrump is a subset of TDS. Or was. Now they've (some of them) shifted to de facto Trump supporters (obvious supporters just not in name), providing evidence that TDS is a mutable characteristic.
   745. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5628292)
The Bill Kristols of the world tried and tried to derail Trump with their temper tantrums and their desperate Cruz-Kasich coalitions and their David French duds and with whoever that clown was (I'm forgetting his name at the moment) who after all of the hoopla laughably finished third in Utah and THAT was supposed to gum up the works for Trump. They tried and tried and utterly failed, beaten by a political novice who they were all Smarter than and who knew nothing about anything and yet the strategies he employed to win the election -- strategies that received as much criticism and mocking as any Hitler candidate before him -- succeeded in putting him in the White House.

Remember the "he's not spending enough money, he has no ground game, there are not enough campaign offices in XYZ states, he has alienated his party, no Republican in good standing will stand with him, the only celebrity who supports him is Scott Baio" type mockeries? The TDSers have tried hard to forget.


Bold ridiculousness sometimes goes a long way... I imagine there were no shortage of generals around the globe that, regardless of what they thought of Hitler's rank deplorableness and clownish corporalness, still would have doubted he'd bring down France, conquer the Balkans and drive a thousand miles deep into Russia.

Even Churchill - for all his warnings about Hitler - was still saying 'thank god for the French army' virtually right up until Vichy.

   746. tshipman Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:43 PM (#5628293)
Yglesias has a good column out today:

One thing Trump’s supporters tend to get right is that the political media in the United States is generally far too willing to paint a portrait of Trump as some kind of dolt. But everything in Trump’s record suggests a cunning, ruthless, and, in many ways, insightful man — not some kind of Forrest Gump-like figure ambling through history.

...
People who cover American politics for a living are accustomed to covering politicians who have at least a passing familiarity with the main issues in public policy, and Trump does not. He answers questions about national politics like he’s a real estate developer turned brand licensing magnate and reality television star, which he is.

I’m not here to tell you that Trump is an evil genius or a criminal mastermind. And he’s certainly more impulsive than your average politician or business leader. But he’s not an idiot. When he keeps on doing something, it’s probably for a reason.

...

I hate the word “collusion.” It’s a technical, legal term derived from the unrelated world of antitrust law that’s masked the simplicity of what we’re talking about. It seems more likely than not that some Trumpworld personnel coordinated some elements of political strategy with the Russian pro-Trump information operation with the tacit or explicit approval of Trump himself, and that they signaled openness to Russia-friendly policy changes with Russia in exchange.

...

Here’s are the main elements of the case:

Many of the Russian government’s political interventions abroad are clumsy and inept (see the anti-Macron stuff from the 2017 French presidential election and the bulk of the “troll farm” stuff). But the WikiLeaks email drops of 2016 were very well-executed and well-timed to step on two major stories: first the Democratic National Convention and later the Access Hollywood tape. Perhaps the Russians got lucky (twice) or they executed well because they were helped by an expert American political operative.
As it happens, the expertise of Trump’s campaign chair, Paul Manafort, is in American and foreign electioneering. Manafort helped Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush win presidential elections before he moved into lobbying and took his political skills abroad. He spent a decade dispensing expert political advice (for a steep price) to a Russian proxy party in Ukraine. So it’s not like the Russians would have no idea whom to ask, or that nobody on the Trump team was comfortable, broadly speaking, with the idea of working with Moscow.
We also know specifically, due to Donald Trump Jr.’s infamous “if it’s what you say I love it” email, that not only Manafort but also Trump’s son and his son-in-law were eager to collaborate with the Russian government on the 2016 election.
Trump spent more than a year on the campaign trail consistently praising Vladimir Putin and defending him from critics, incurring political risks with no obvious upside for himself.
During the transition, Trump’s national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was very eager to conduct talks with Moscow about a warming of relations. Jared Kushner was trying to create some kind of secure backchannel line of communication to Moscow that would be impenetrable by American intelligence.
Trump took the exceptionally risky move of firing FBI Director James Comey. After that backfired, he took repeated stabs at leaning on Attorney General Jeff Sessions and/or Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to resign, which would give him more direct control over Mueller.
Trump’s allies on the House Intelligence Committee and the Senate Judiciary Committee have been trying to help him with various attacks on the FBI, the Justice Department, and the whole idea of an inquiry rather than by constructing some plausible alternative narrative that would explain all the weird #### referenced above.
That’s not an argument you’d present to secure a jury conviction, but it’s probable cause for a rigorous investigation. It all explains Mueller’s apparent strategy of bringing legal pressure to bear on as many Trumpworld figures as possible. It’s a sound strategy for generating the revelation of some dark secrets.

   747. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:44 PM (#5628294)

That mockery came from other quarters than the NeverTrump movement, so why you are inserting it into this discussion is ... interesting, but whatever. You also are mistakenly conflating NeverTrump with those you tag with TDS (dumbly, but still), they are not the same thing. More than black or white, there are many shades of grey and also colors even. Look at a rainbow sometime.


1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.


Nothing in there says anything about shades of gray or colors. Your impossible expectations must end.
   748. Stormy JE Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:44 PM (#5628295)
Life long? It didn't last until the general.
You're making #### up.
   749. -- Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5628296)
I hate the word “collusion.”


Especially now that there isn't going to have been any.

It seems more likely than not that some Trumpworld personnel coordinated some elements of political strategy with the Russian pro-Trump information operation with the tacit or explicit approval of Trump himself, and that they signaled openness to Russia-friendly policy changes with Russia in exchange.


It doesn't get any more true on the 11,246th statement.

But the WikiLeaks email drops of 2016 were very well-executed and well-timed to step on two major stories: first the Democratic National Convention and later the Access Hollywood tape. Perhaps the Russians got lucky (twice) or they executed well because they were helped by an expert American political operative.


LOL. Yeah, either that ... or they watched the news. And of course there would be nothing whatever untoward about Trump people working with Wikileaks, anymore than Clinton people working with the NY Times on a story about Trump.

That’s not an argument you’d present to secure a jury conviction, but it’s probable cause for a rigorous investigation. It all explains Mueller’s apparent strategy of bringing legal pressure to bear on as many Trumpworld figures as possible. It’s a sound strategy for generating the revelation of some dark secrets.


There's no relationship between any of Mueller's indictments, or anything he's done, and this flight of fantasy.
   750. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5628297)
You're making #### up.


If it had lasted into the general you folks would have immediately switched to Hillary supporters.

NEVER Trump, Jason. See the "Never" there? It wasn't, well, maybe Trump, but only if he wins the nomination.
   751. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5628298)
I’m not here to tell you that Trump is an evil genius or a criminal mastermind. And he’s certainly more impulsive than your average politician or business leader. But he’s not an idiot. When he keeps on doing something, it’s probably for a reason.


The reason is that he's an idiot.
   752. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5628299)
It's unfortunate that you cannot comprehend the notion, shared by most #NeverTrump conservatives, that a candidate for public office has to earn my vote.


"OK he's pissed off the hippies, I'm comin' boss!"
   753. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5628300)
Life long? It didn't last until the general.

The Bill Kristols of the world tried and tried to derail Trump with their temper tantrums and their desperate Cruz-Kasich coalitions and their David French duds and with whoever that clown was (I'm forgetting his name at the moment) who after all of the hoopla laughably finished third in Utah and THAT was supposed to gum up the works for Trump. They tried and tried and utterly failed, beaten by a political novice who they were all Smarter than and who knew nothing about anything and yet the strategies he employed to win the election -- strategies that received as much criticism and mocking as any candidate before him -- succeeded in putting him in the White House.
Hey, Ray -- don't look now, but your enthusiastic support for Trump is showing.
   754. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5628302)
LOL. Nobody puts JE in the corner.


No but in Season 2 Episode 11 you did get detention.
   755. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5628303)
The "connection" between Alfa Bank and the Trump Tower server has been debunked by every media outlet that looked into it.


Update their Wikipedia page. You'll need credible sources of course, maybe you can ask a Fake Librarian to help you with that.
   756. -- Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5628308)
Update their Wikipedia page. You'll need credible sources of course, maybe you can ask a Fake Librarian to help you with that.


"Wikipedia page."

LOL.
   757. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5628309)
Not that I trust Trump to do the right thing after that dog and pony "listening session" (he did listen, he was the most respectful I've seen him in just about forever), but all of the angry kids were left behind in Florida giving impressive speeches while the kids invited to the WH included the obligatory conservative girl who praised Trump for being a great leader and taking the country in the right direction (she's in for a talking-to when she gets home to FL), some of the parents at the WH had some harsh things to say about our gun laws. So we'll see how he weasels out of this.
   758. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:27 PM (#5628314)
For Clapper...

Just a quarter of registered voters, 25 percent, say they have noticed an increase in their paycheck, the poll shows. A majority, 51 percent, say they have not.

Among employed voters — those working in the private and public sectors, plus those who are self-employed — a larger percentage, 37 percent, have noticed an uptick on their pay stubs. But 53 percent say they haven’t.

Self-identified Republicans are more likely to say they have seen a larger paycheck under the new law (32 percent) than Democrats (21 percent) or independents (22 percent).

Opponents have attacked the new tax law as primarily benefiting the wealthy and corporations, and there is some evidence in the new poll that higher-income voters are seeing more benefits in the early days of the law’s enactment.

“Our polling shows high-income earners are more likely to have noticed an increase in their paychecks as a result of the tax bill," said Kyle Dropp, Morning Consult’s co-founder and chief research officer. “For example, 40 percent of voters who earn more than $100,000 said they have noticed a pay increase in the past several weeks. In contrast, 33 percent of voters who earn between $50,000 and $100,000 and 16 percent of voters who earn under $50,000 said the same.”


Hey - I noticed it :-)

Doesn't change my opinion of Trump, the GOP, or the tax legislation itself - but sure... my 401k, IRA, and money market all appreciate the direct deposit changes I made a result. Much as I disagree with Clapper, I'm in total agreement that one should always endeavor to pay oneself first.

   759. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:28 PM (#5628315)
"Wikipedia page."

LOL.


"I'm a lawyer!"

LOL
   760. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:31 PM (#5628316)
Yglesias has a good column out today:

One thing Trump’s supporters tend to get right is that the political media in the United States is generally far too willing to paint a portrait of Trump as some kind of dolt. But everything in Trump’s record suggests a cunning, ruthless, and, in many ways, insightful man — not some kind of Forrest Gump-like figure ambling through history.

...
People who cover American politics for a living are accustomed to covering politicians who have at least a passing familiarity with the main issues in public policy, and Trump does not. He answers questions about national politics like he’s a real estate developer turned brand licensing magnate and reality television star, which he is.

I’m not here to tell you that Trump is an evil genius or a criminal mastermind. And he’s certainly more impulsive than your average politician or business leader. But he’s not an idiot. When he keeps on doing something, it’s probably for a reason.


The so-called Idiot-in-Chief is slowly and meticulously implementing his agenda point by point, right under the Smarter Peoples' noses. As they wail and whine and obsess over RussiaRussia.

They've completely lost focus. RussiaRussia is the jingling of the keys, and Trump makes sure to keep shining the light on the shiny RussiaRussia keys as he lifts your wallets.
   761. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:32 PM (#5628317)
It may not be quite the highest order of praise, but Ray himself in the oval office would be like Gabriel over the White House before his auto accident. Trump is much more like "Gabriel" after his recovery, as few people who ever watched that movie would disagree.

Do you still carry this film's ticket stub around with you? (smile)


Nah, but I've got 3 copies of the stolen DVD if ever you want to borrow one. If you've never seen it, it's a bit like the Reefer Madness of politics, but trust me, there are scenes aplenty that could be transferred straight to the Trump playbook.

In the climactic sequence, the president calls all the nations of the world out to meet on an ocean liner for a disarmament conference, and addresses their representatives by their countries' name ("As for you, FRANCE...", etc.). He then tells them that the ship is completely surrounded by U.S. Navy warships, armed with a secret new weapon, and that agreeing to a complete dismantling of their own military units is the only way their countries can be saved.

Kind of like a Trumpian wet dream, n'est-ce pas? But seriously, this is one of the true unintentional classics of Hollywood's Golden Age, even if Barbara Stanwyck wasn't in it.
   762. Howie Menckel Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5628318)
fwiw, Snopes has the claim re Alfa Bank as "unproven"

in other Snopes news, I learned that while Twitter killed Sylvester Stallone yet again today, he is NOT in fact dead.

his place before St. Peter's Gates apparently has been taken instead by Billy Graham (RIP, age 99)
   763. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:39 PM (#5628319)
If anyone was still on the fence about impeachment, this will be the push they needed.
Trump rigged Miss Universe pageants to favor countries where he had business interests

Former contestants at the Miss Universe pageant told [the New Yorker's Jeffrey] Toobin that Trump would regularly talk with them about business deals that he did in their countries — and that women whose countries were doing business with Trump would routinely get selected as finalists, sometimes overruling the decisions that were made by pageant judges.

“He made comments about every girl: ‘I’ve been to that country.’ ‘We’re building a Trump Tower there,'” said Canadian former contestant Adwoa Yamoah. “It was clear the countries that he liked did well. He’d whisper to Paula about the girls, and she’d write it down. He basically told us he picked nine of the top fifteen.” Shi Lim, a former contestant from Singapore, similarly told Toobin that “the finalists were picked by Trump.”

...One judge at the pageant told Toobin that he was floored when saw that several of the women he and his fellow judges had picked as finalists did not make it to the official list of winners, as Trump apparently intervened to override their decisions. “I didn’t know what had happened,” the judge claimed. “I felt ridiculous.”
   764. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:39 PM (#5628320)
fwiw, Snopes has the claim re Alfa Bank as "unproven"


When Gonfalon posts the AOL News version of this story the "un" will be missing.
   765. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:40 PM (#5628321)
The reason is that he's an idiot.



Hard to dispute.
Slightly dated but still wonderful.

edit...He looks like Peter Boyle in "Young Frankenstein".
   766. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5628323)
When Gonfalon posts the AOL News version of this story the "un" will be missing.


OH SNAP
   767. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5628324)
Trump rigged Miss Universe pageants to favor countries where he had business interests


Get yer bets in on Miss India now!


President Trump’s eldest son will be spending his time in India promoting Trump-branded luxury apartments across the country. He’ll be meeting with real estate brokers and potential buyers throughout the week in his family business’s biggest market outside the US.

He’s also offering a special reward to Indians who buy property from him: He’ll join them for an intimate meal.

Indian newspapers have been running advertisements that promise homebuyers willing to pay a roughly $38,000 booking fee an opportunity to “join Mr. Donald Trump Jr. for a conversation and dinner.”

Government ethics experts in the US are appalled by that prospect, and say that the arrangement encourages Indians — especially those with ties to India’s government — to use purchases of Trump-branded property as a way to gain favor with the Trump administration.

“For many people wanting to impact American policy in the region, the cost of a condo is a small price to pay to lobby one of the people closest to the president, far away from watchful eyes,” Jordan Libowitz, the communications director for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, told the Washington Post.

Trump Jr.’s India visit also highlights something else: While Trump’s polarizing presidency has put a dent in his domestic businesses, it doesn’t seem to have damaged his reputation in India. In fact, the Trump brand seems to be chugging along quite nicely there.


Link
   768. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:49 PM (#5628327)
NEVER Trump, Jason. See the "Never" there? It wasn't, well, maybe Trump, but only if he wins the nomination.


Ray likes to play these hyper-literal semantic games, as if symbolic titles don't exist in his world. He's the same way with people who are Pro-Chioce when it comes to abortion, claiming they are hypocrites if they don't support school vouchers (I thought you were pro choice?). It's like people who think they are clever mocking vegetarians who eat nuts (Nuts aren't a vegetable), or organic food (All food is organic because it's carbon based.).
   769. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:55 PM (#5628328)
Ray likes to play these hyper-literal semantic games, as if symbolic titles don't exist in his world. He's the same way with people who are Pro-Chioce when it comes to abortion, claiming they are hypocrites if they don't support school vouchers (I thought you were pro choice?).


You made that up. I've never made that argument.

Provide the citation.
   770. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: February 21, 2018 at 05:59 PM (#5628329)
Provide the citation.


No Dancing Monkey. No Dancing Monkey. You're the Dancing Monkey.
   771. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:00 PM (#5628330)
The so-called Idiot-in-Chief is slowly and meticulously implementing his agenda point by point, right under the Smarter Peoples' noses. As they wail and whine and obsess over RussiaRussia.

They've completely lost focus. RussiaRussia is the jingling of the keys, and Trump makes sure to keep shining the light on the shiny RussiaRussia keys as he lifts your wallets.


Again, so was Hitler up until Stalingrad and El Alamein.

Politics isn't warfare - but depending on the circumstances, rashness and boldness can get you surprisingly just as far.

I'll reiterate again - despite the warnings issued by the Churchills and such, none of them truly believed he could get as far as he did... until he did. To be sure, Hitler wasn't personally leading any assaults that seized any bridgeheads and he had plenty of able tacticians and strategists who drew up battle plans - but they still all went through him, he often countermanded or demanded changes, and constantly - constantly - he was forever damning the high-falutin' Prussian geniuses, so experienced and schooled in war while he - the mere, looked-down-upon corporal was the genius on par with Napoleon. And for a good three years - it was hard to argue with him. Despite the Rundstedts, the Guderians, the Mansteins, etc forever warning him against this move or that move, this strategy or that strategy -- there he was... sitting astride nearly the whole of Europe.

The point isn't that Trump = Hitler.... the point is that if you think Trump is a genius because he won an election, even while getting 44% of the vote, 2-3% less than the runnerup - then you've really got to call Hitler a genius, too.... at least, up until the point where it all turned to #### and the mustachioed corporal began blaming every failure on his lieutenants who failed to adequately carry out this up-to-that-point genius strategies.

All dogs are not poodles, but all poodles are dogs.
   772. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5628333)
Gabriel over the White House


A movie I've been wanting to see for decades, though it slipped my mind over the last few years.
   773. Swoboda is freedom Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:23 PM (#5628334)
You do not need permission from the government to buy, sell, or own a car.


Come over to my house tonight and I will sell you my 9mm. It is a few years old, but still in good shape. If this happens, what forms do I need to file? None. My grandfather gave me his shotgun 30 years ago. No permission needed.

See if we could do that with my car.
   774. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:27 PM (#5628335)
Come over to my house tonight and I will sell you my 9mm.
What state do you live in?
   775. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:29 PM (#5628338)
Come over to my house tonight and I will sell you my 9mm.

What state do you live in?



A "stand your ground" state, so consider stripping naked before ringing the doorbell.
   776. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:34 PM (#5628339)
The so-called Idiot-in-Chief is slowly and meticulously implementing his agenda point by point, right under the Smarter Peoples' noses.
To quote Joe Wilson, "You lie!"

It's actually a big lie wrapped in a bigger deception. The big lie is that he's accomplishing things. The bigger deception is the notion that he has an agenda. Other than being elected president, he has nothing he cares about accomplishing.

EDIT: Unless "destroy the GOP brand" is his actual agenda; he's accomplishing that.
   777. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:37 PM (#5628341)
All states allow you to stand your ground in your own home; it's called the castle doctrine. But if you live in a SYG state, then it's not my state, which means you can't lawfully sell me the gun. Sorry.
   778. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:38 PM (#5628342)
the point is that if you think Trump is a genius because he won an election, even while getting 44% of the vote, 2-3% less than the runnerup


You're citing the score in a contest that nobody was having.

The score in the contest they were having was:

Trump 304
Hillary 227
Other 7
McMullin 0
David French 0
Whoever else Bill Kristol supported: -423,000

(Well, I grant that Hillary's team appeared to think that popular vote controlled because they were trying to run up the score in blue states and flip blood red states like AZ rather than focusing on swingable rust belt states but, well, we'll set that aside.)
   779. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:38 PM (#5628343)
It's actually a big lie wrapped in a bigger deception. The big lie is that he's accomplishing things. The bigger deception is the notion that he has an agenda. Other than being elected president, he has nothing he cares about accomplishing.


Sigh. You just don't get it. If Trump does something, he's succeeding. If Trump fails to do something, he's ingeniously distracting the TDS enemy to provide noisy cover for his little-noticed successes.
   780. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:43 PM (#5628345)
The bigger deception is the notion that he has an agenda.


The Trump agenda is self-enrichment.
   781. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:51 PM (#5628346)
Slightly dated but still wonderful.

edit...He looks like Peter Boyle in "Young Frankenstein".


The problem I've had with mocking Trump for this photo is that the whole photo op is ridiculously designed.
If ALL of them cross their arms like that, then everyone has to stand MUCH closer than they normally would.
As well, everyone wouldn't be shaking hands (right/right or left/left) but the opposite of that.
If every second person DIDN'T cross their arms, then they can still spread out the leaders AND have them shake hands properly with the person next to them.
You can see the person off to the left of the picture is doing it the same way that Trump is doing it (uncrossed).


   782. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:52 PM (#5628347)
Here's a pre-election article that explains what I'm talking about re Clinton wasting resources on trying to flip blood red states, and laughably so.

The short story: she was up big in the polls at the time (this article from mid-October 2016) and believed that the demographics of AZ and GA in particular had shifted enough towards hispanics and African Americans respectively that she could flip the states. The campaign started believing its own Andyish press clippings about how hispanics were going to ensure a Trump loss:

No, Arizona and Georgia Are Not Swing States

With much fanfare, Hillary Clinton is making a push into traditionally red states. But she’ll have a tough time flipping them blue.

By Nathaniel Rakich
October 18, 2016

With the Trumperdämmerung upon us, Hillary Clinton is looking to expand the map. Ahead nationally by double digits in some polls, her campaign—and many a political pundit—now believes it can flip a few traditionally red states into her column. On Monday, the campaign announced it would pump $2 million into its Arizona operation and send top surrogates, from Michelle Obama to Bernie Sanders, to the desert. Meanwhile, the YouGov polling model has Clinton pulling into a narrow lead in Georgia, one of only three states it brands a tossup.

It’s easy to see why Democrats think they have a shot in these two states in particular. Arizona and Georgia have long hovered tantalizingly just out of Democrats’ reach. In 2008, Barack Obama received 45.1 percent of the vote in Arizona and 47.0 percent in Georgia, barely missing out on what then would have amounted to a combined 25 electoral votes. That total has since grown to 27 on the heels of transformative population growth, especially among minorities. Since the 2000 Census, Arizona’s Hispanic population has mushroomed by 52.6 percent; in Georgia, it has been the African-American population that has increased by 30.1 percent since 2000.

The demographic shifts have caught the eye of many analysts, some of whom now mention Arizona and Georgia in the same breath as emerging swing states. There’s just one problem: they’re not there yet. White voters still make up a strong majority of the electorate in both states, and it’s currently mathematically impossible for minority voters to hand Democrats a win by themselves.
   783. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 21, 2018 at 06:55 PM (#5628349)
   784. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:02 PM (#5628351)
NYT, October 17, 2016:


Showing Confidence, Hillary Clinton Pushes Into Republican Strongholds


By MATT FLEGENHEIMER and JONATHAN MARTIN
OCT. 17, 2016

Hillary Clinton’s campaign is planning its most ambitious push yet into traditionally right-leaning states, a new offensive aimed at extending her growing advantage over Donald J. Trump while bolstering down-ballot candidates in what party leaders increasingly suggest could be a sweeping victory for Democrats at every level.

Signaling extraordinary confidence in Mrs. Clinton’s electoral position and a new determination to deliver a punishing message to Mr. Trump and Republicans about his racially tinged campaign, her aides said Monday that she would aggressively compete in Arizona, a state with a growing Hispanic population that has been ground zero for the country’s heated debate over immigration.

Mrs. Clinton is “dramatically expanding” her efforts in Arizona, her campaign manager, Robby Mook, told reporters on Monday. She is pouring more than $2 million into advertising and dispatching perhaps her most potent surrogate, Michelle Obama, for a rally in Phoenix on Thursday.

In Indiana and Missouri, Mr. Mook said, the campaign will spend a total of $1 million to drive voter turnout, despite what he acknowledged was an “uphill battle” for Mrs. Clinton in two states that could determine control of the Senate. Mrs. Clinton is also directing more money to a series of presidential battleground states with competitive House races.

The maneuvering speaks to the unexpected tension facing Mrs. Clinton as she hurtles toward what aides increasingly believe will be a decisive victory — a pleasant problem, for certain, but one that has nonetheless scrambled the campaign’s strategy weeks before Election Day: Should Mrs. Clinton maximize her own margin, aiming to flip as many red states as possible to run up an electoral landslide, or prioritize the party’s congressional fortunes, redirecting funds and energy down the ballot?

Thanks to an infusion of contributions in recent weeks, and what aides describe as a war chest they had maintained in case the opportunity arose, Mrs. Clinton is in effect trying to do both.

The double-barreled assault illustrates her priorities three weeks before Election Day. She hopes to hand Mr. Trump a loss so humiliating that it jars him and Republicans, removing any doubt about the wisdom of running on a grievance-oriented platform. But she also is demonstrating to the congressional Democrats with whom she may soon be working that she is also is dedicated to expanding their ranks.

...

The most brazen push, though, is in Arizona, where the campaign has also scheduled appearances on Mrs. Clinton’s behalf from her daughter, Chelsea, and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Mr. Mook added that Mrs. Clinton may appear there herself in short order. “We certainly hope to get her there,” he said.

Mrs. Clinton’s aides were intrigued by both Arizona and Georgia, and they surveyed voters in each state. Arizona appeared more promising, officials said, because of its combination of Mormons, Hispanics and Native Americans and because the officials found white voters in Georgia to be more resistant to Mrs. Clinton.


Lol.
   785. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:07 PM (#5628352)
I see that Ray is still using the laughable "pitch to the score" argument. Maybe one day he'll realize how dumb he sounds.
   786. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:11 PM (#5628353)
I haven't read every comment, but why is Ray posting stuff about the election from 16 months ago?

Has Clinton said something recently about the election?
Or is he just reminiscing like my late grandfather used to do?
   787. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:13 PM (#5628354)
fwiw, Snopes has the claim re Alfa Bank as "unproven"

But Art Wall has "compelling analysis" - surely great analysis, the best analysis - indicating skullduggery was afoot, even if the "technical aspects" are far too complex for him to share.
   788. -- Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:23 PM (#5628356)
Signaling extraordinary confidence in Mrs. Clinton’s electoral position and a new determination to deliver a punishing message to Mr. Trump and Republicans about his racially tinged campaign, her aides said Monday that she would aggressively compete in Arizona, a state with a growing Hispanic population that has been ground zero for the country’s heated debate over immigration.

Mrs. Clinton is “dramatically expanding” her efforts in Arizona, her campaign manager, Robby Mook, told reporters on Monday. She is pouring more than $2 million into advertising and dispatching perhaps her most potent surrogate, Michelle Obama, for a rally in Phoenix on Thursday.

In Indiana and Missouri, Mr. Mook said, the campaign will spend a total of $1 million to drive voter turnout, despite what he acknowledged was an “uphill battle” for Mrs. Clinton in two states that could determine control of the Senate. Mrs. Clinton is also directing more money to a series of presidential battleground states with competitive House races.

The maneuvering speaks to the unexpected tension facing Mrs. Clinton as she hurtles toward what aides increasingly believe will be a decisive victory — a pleasant problem, for certain, but one that has nonetheless scrambled the campaign’s strategy weeks before Election Day: Should Mrs. Clinton maximize her own margin, aiming to flip as many red states as possible to run up an electoral landslide, or prioritize the party’s congressional fortunes, redirecting funds and energy down the ballot?

Thanks to an infusion of contributions in recent weeks, and what aides describe as a war chest they had maintained in case the opportunity arose, Mrs. Clinton is in effect trying to do both.

The double-barreled assault illustrates her priorities three weeks before Election Day. She hopes to hand Mr. Trump a loss so humiliating that it jars him and Republicans, removing any doubt about the wisdom of running on a grievance-oriented platform. But she also is demonstrating to the congressional Democrats with whom she may soon be working that she is also is dedicated to expanding their ranks.


No red state, No red state -- You're the red state!!!!
   789. -- Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:29 PM (#5628357)
Has Clinton said something recently about the election?
Or is he just reminiscing like my late grandfather used to do?


Revisiting the beclowning bumbling of what the NYT laughingly called "one of the most broadly and deeply qualified presidential candidates in modern history," never gets old.

And, yes, she's said something recently about the election. Grammys, Kenyan Supreme Court (LOL), etc.
   790. Lassus Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:30 PM (#5628358)
but why is Ray posting stuff about the election from 16 months ago?

Because the present is too fucking embarrassing.


never gets old.

For quacks.
   791. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:31 PM (#5628359)
Just a quarter of registered voters, 25 percent, say they have noticed an increase in their paycheck, the poll shows. A majority, 51 percent, say they have not. Among employed voters — those working in the private and public sectors, plus those who are self-employed — a larger percentage, 37 percent, have noticed an uptick on their pay stubs. But 53 percent say they haven’t.

Is it really surprising that many of those who are not working haven't noticed an increase in their "paycheck"? 37% seems pretty good, especially since the new withholding rates just kicked in. With most everybody getting direct deposit these days, it may take a while for those who don't carefully check their finances to notice the change.
   792. -- Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:36 PM (#5628360)
Because the present is too ####### embarrassing.


As if it wouldn't be with her in office, blubbering about how the "vast right wing conspiracy" and "haters" keep talking about a silly old dossier, the sexists.
   793. Lassus Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:43 PM (#5628361)
It would have made you miserable and even more batshit, so there's that.
   794. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 21, 2018 at 07:55 PM (#5628365)
If we're going to reminisce about the 2016 Election, let's look at how Hillary actually did in the states mentioned in the excerpt (#784) about her impending "sweeping victory": Arizona: Lost by 3.5%; Georgia: Lost by 5.1%; Indiana: Lost by 19%; Missouri: Lost by 18.5%. It's almost like Hillary's Campaign and the NYT's reporter were both clueless. Oh, wait …
   795. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:08 PM (#5628368)
Your daily "what-the-####-are-you-talking-about?"


Donald Trump has said he will consider a proposal to arm school teachers in an attempt to prevent mass shootings, a move certain to prove fiercely divisive.

The US president, holding a listening session at the White House with survivors of last week’s Florida school shooting and others affected by gun violence, claimed that allowing airline pilots to carry and conceal guns had demonstrated the measure could be a success.

“It only works when you have people very adept at using firearms, of which you have many,” Trump said during an emotionally searing session that, extraordinarily, was broadcast live on national television. “It would be teachers and coaches.”

Referring to Aaron Feis, a football coach who used his body as a shield to protect a student during the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school in Parkland, the president continued: “If the coach had a firearm in his locker when he ran at this guy – that coach was very brave, saved a lot of lives, I suspect.

“But if he had a firearm, he wouldn’t have had to run, he would have shot him, and that would have been the end of it. This would only obviously be for people who are very adept at handling a gun. It’s called concealed carry, where a teacher would have a concealed gun on them. They’d go for special training and they would be there and you would no longer have a gun-free zone. Gun-free zone to a maniac, because they’re all cowards, a gun-free zone is: ‘Let’s go in and let’s attack, because bullets aren’t coming back at us’.”

Trump added: “An attack has lasted, on average, about three minutes. It takes five to eight minutes for responders, for the police to come in, so the attack is over. If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end the attack very quickly.”
Donald Trump with notes during a listening session with high school students and teachers at the White House on Wednesday.

Knowledge of this would act as a deterrent to a would-be attacker, Trump claimed. “You know, a lot of people don’t understand that airline pilots now, a lot of them carry guns, and I have to say that things have changed a lot. People aren’t attacking the way they would routinely attack and maybe you would have the same situation in schools.”


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   796. -- Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:19 PM (#5628370)
Teachers are never going to be armed, and it's a lunatic insane idea, so the working assumption should be that it's just a way for the loons to say they have an idea about what to do.

The idea that the nation's brigades of 65 year old spinster English teachers are going to walk around the school all day with a gun stashed in their dowdy dresses is quite possibly the stupidist idea in the 242-year history of the United States.

This is what Decline looks like.
   797. Jay Z Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:20 PM (#5628371)
I'll reiterate again - despite the warnings issued by the Churchills and such, none of them truly believed he could get as far as he did... until he did. To be sure, Hitler wasn't personally leading any assaults that seized any bridgeheads and he had plenty of able tacticians and strategists who drew up battle plans - but they still all went through him, he often countermanded or demanded changes, and constantly - constantly - he was forever damning the high-falutin' Prussian geniuses, so experienced and schooled in war while he - the mere, looked-down-upon corporal was the genius on par with Napoleon. And for a good three years - it was hard to argue with him. Despite the Rundstedts, the Guderians, the Mansteins, etc forever warning him against this move or that move, this strategy or that strategy -- there he was... sitting astride nearly the whole of Europe.

The point isn't that Trump = Hitler.... the point is that if you think Trump is a genius because he won an election, even while getting 44% of the vote, 2-3% less than the runnerup - then you've really got to call Hitler a genius, too.... at least, up until the point where it all turned to #### and the mustachioed corporal began blaming every failure on his lieutenants who failed to adequately carry out this up-to-that-point genius strategies.


Depends what your goal is. If your goal is to actually win the war, Germany was a lot closer in WWI. Yeah, they defeated the Maginot line. Not dealing with Britan better was arguably dumb. Invading USSR was definitely dumb; worked worse than WWI. Declaring war on USA? What did Germany get out of that, exactly?

What is your goal? To get as far as you can, then have it all collapse? To kill more Russians than they killed you? To have cover for extermination camps? To smuggle artwork to Argentina? What are the measurements, other than 'boldness'?
   798. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:22 PM (#5628372)
Jeopardy host Alex Trebek has been tapped to host a Pennsylvania gubernatorial debate in October. I'm skeptical either candidate will do all that well in putting their responses in the form of a question.
   799. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:25 PM (#5628373)
SBB: arming teachers sounds loony.... until you compare it with a shooter roaming the campus for 10 minutes blowing people away before anyone armed shows up on the scene.

To me the latter scenario is the far more batshit terrain to have arrived at.

   800. Ray (CTL) Posted: February 21, 2018 at 08:26 PM (#5628374)
There’s no sense hiding where we are with this right now.
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