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OTP 2018 2018 Nov 5 - The Trump dilemma hits the Boston Red Sox amid a wave of White House boycotts in sports

The Boston Red Sox, fresh off their historic World Series win, are the latest team to be faced with the Trump dilemma.

The team’s manager Alex Cora said that the Sox haven’t decided whether they will visit the White House if they’re invited by Trump, adding that he wants to use the team’s platform in the right way, according to the Associated Press.

 

“For me, I just don’t think it’s the right thing to do.” Connolly said in August, according to Sports Illustrated. “Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think there’ll be a few guys not going, too. Like I said, it has nothing to do with politics, it’s about what’s right and wrong, and we’ll leave it at that.”

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: November 05, 2018 at 08:40 AM | 2346 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1701. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5784996)
His default setting is outrage. He always comes across as emotional, as if he's just holding back from an explosion.

That, and he slips every once or twice per segment in awhile and uses "we" for "Democrats".


Fair enough. Probably helps that I tend to agree with his points, but then again, I'm not watching under the lens of hard, opinion-free news.
   1702. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5784997)
because it all is just opinions which is fake news
Yes, this.

CNN is approximately 75% panels, at least when I have a chance to watch. And increasingly it's four or five people, each of which get to respond to one question before the panel is dismissed.

Back during the primaries of 2016 you'd see something like Gergen, Toobin, and Navarro for a lengthy back-and-forth. Decent balance, occasional hysteria, generally level-headed and cross-spectrum. That was OK. Since then, not so much. Lemon lost his mind after Trump won. I'd watch Tapper, but the schedule doesn't work out for me.
   1703. BDC Posted: November 09, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5785000)
I don't think I've watched a TV news broadcast in this century.

Though this may explain my appalling lack of information on most topics.
   1704. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5785001)
Probably helps that I tend to agree with his points
This is the dilemma, if that's what you want to call it. I'm not impressed with the way Schumer/Pelosi/Waters Democrats behave; they're just as cartoonish as the Grahams. It used to be Fox = GOP talking points and MSNBC = Dems, with CNN at least attempting to stake out a middle ground.

When Lemon or Cuomo are outraged about Trump, sure, I generally agree, although Lemon in particular is prone to Ray-defined TDS over the slightest issue. But they shouldn't make the same assumption that some usual suspects make here, which is that "disgusted with Trump" = "Democrat". There's plenty of room in that first tent for moderates.
   1705. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5785002)
It was still pretty bad back in 2016 only then a bit of opinion and prognosticating was needed but virtually all of it still was surrogates sending out the message. If Trump said something really awful all the "conservatives" would disappear from the channel until the Trump team could create a message. That tells you right there that there was no intent to relay news or to inform but merely to persuade and bias and CNN just cared about getting extra money from LifeAlert to air their commercials.
   1706. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5785003)
Lemon has or is trying to become the Left's Sean Hannity. It ain't a good look. Does that make Rachel Maddow the Tucker Carlson of the Left?
   1707. Greg K Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5785004)
I'm surprised CNN and other 24 hour news channels don't do more mini-documentaries like the BBC, or Frontline.
   1708. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5785007)
He's a coward in person and a lion in front of a microphone.


He's a bully. He wants to be loved. When he isn't shown adoration, he acts like a bratty child. Is there one person in the world who honestly believes he's justified in being the ######## he behaves like? Probably not. I wouldn't believe anyone who said that Trump was the victim of TDS. They're just protecting him because he advances their agenda. They know he's a complete buffoon. They won't admit it, though, because they are of low moral character.
   1709. Lassus Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5785008)
How has the WSJ report - dropped while Trump is on AF1 - on Trump's day-by-day knowledge of payoffs to Daniels and McDougal not been tossed into the OTP orbit yet?
   1710. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5785009)
I'm surprised CNN and other 24 hour news channels don't do more mini-documentaries like the BBC, or Frontline.

I believe CNN is attempting to do more none traditional news content. They had Bourdain's Parts Unknown. They have Kamau Bell, they did The History of Comedy, the decades thing, Lisa Ling doing her thing, Bill Weir has a series, and John Walsh and Mike Rowe have docuseries as well.
   1711. JL72 Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5785010)
I did enjoy CNN's election coverage because from at least 6pm to around 11pm it was mostly devoid of the talking heads and opinions. They did one cutaway around 7:30pm to Cooper and his talking heads in which Van Jones was crying in his Cheerios over what looked like a disappointed night but besides that they simply focused on the returns. It wasn't perfect coverage and they tried to instill some faux drama but all and all it was largely devoid of messaging and opinions.


The big problem in CNN's coverage is Wolf Blitzer. He ignores facts as he searches for the exciting story, like a dog chasing squirrels in a park. He gasps in amazement over a potential upset, John King notes that it is only 1% reporting and there is no real way it will end up in an upset, and Wolf just ignores him until the next waive of reports comes in.
   1712. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5785012)
As I alluded to earlier Wolf is the king of "BREAKING NEWS". The news will be minor and have been talked to death for the last 12 hours but for Wolf it is BREAKING NEWS!!!! and stay tuned for more, and did I mention we have BREAKING NEWS!!?
   1713. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5785013)
1707- I suspect documentaries cost a lot more money than their “6 guys yell into a microphone” shows. (That’s at least the explanation given for the explosion of “opinion programs” like that on ESPN.)
   1714. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5785014)
How has the WSJ report - dropped while Trump is on AF1 - on Trump's day-by-day knowledge of payoffs to Daniels and McDougal not been tossed into the OTP orbit yet?


I was waiting for Ray or Clapper to bring it up. They get so cranky when people steal their thunder about the latest reports of Trump's various malfeasance.
   1715. zenbitz Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:15 PM (#5785015)
I get all my news here.
   1716. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:16 PM (#5785016)
1707- I suspect documentaries cost a lot more money than their “6 guys yell into a microphone” shows. (That’s at least the explanation given for the explosion of “opinion programs” like that on ESPN.)

Sure when you can get the GOP and the Democrats to pay for your on air talent why bother spending money on developing anything of your own?
   1717. tshipman Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5785020)
How has the WSJ report - dropped while Trump is on AF1 - on Trump's day-by-day knowledge of payoffs to Daniels and McDougal not been tossed into the OTP orbit yet?


Gotta find a solution for the Caravan.
   1718. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5785022)
When Lemon or Cuomo are outraged about Trump, sure, I generally agree, although Lemon in particular is prone to Ray-defined TDS over the slightest issue. But they shouldn't make the same assumption that some usual suspects make here, which is that "disgusted with Trump" = "Democrat". There's plenty of room in that first tent for moderates.

There's plenty of room for moderates, but the trouble is that none of those moderates ever lift a finger to do anything to STOP Trump. Talk is meaningless unless it's backed up by deeds.

   1719. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5785026)
How has the WSJ report - dropped while Trump is on AF1 - on Trump's day-by-day knowledge of payoffs to Daniels and McDougal not been tossed into the OTP orbit yet?


Gotta find a solution for the Caravan.


The solution is obvious.

In addition to MS-13, middle easterners, small pox, lepers, anchor baby rapists, and uruk hai - the caravan probably contains porn stars and porn star lawyers.

   1720. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5785029)
I see the writers at Wiki are having a fun time with their GOP spin.

Link

The election saw Democrats take control of the House of Representatives while Republicans added to their majority in the Senate. The Democrats also gained control of seven additional governorships. As of November 8, Republicans had gained at least two Senate seats.[1] Seven legislative chambers moved to Democratic party control: Senates in Colorado, Maine, New York, New Hampshire, Connecticut and Houses in Minnesota, New Hampshire,[1] while the Alaska House moved to Republican control.[2] While Democrats made gains, these gains are well below the average chamber changes of 12 States chambers since 1900,[2] with Republicans flipping 24 chambers in 2010 elections.[2]
   1721. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5785030)
I'm surprised CNN and other 24 hour news channels don't do more mini-documentaries like the BBC, or Frontline.


That would be an expensive production.

Much cheaper to have 5 people sit in a studio and argue with each other.
   1722. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5785032)
I'm surprised CNN and other 24 hour news channels don't do more mini-documentaries like the BBC, or Frontline.


Don't they have some kind of I Love the 90s thing? Or am I confusing them with VH1.
   1723. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5785033)
Yeah, it was/is called The Nineties. I swear to god I'm on either ignore or a of people owe me a coke.
   1724. Greg K Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5785034)
I believe CNN is attempting to do more none traditional news content. They had Bourdain's Parts Unknown. They have Kamau Bell, they did The History of Comedy, the decades thing, Lisa Ling doing her thing, Bill Weir has a series, and John Walsh and Mike Rowe have docuseries as well.

Yeah I have actually seen a fair amount of those (Bourdain and the Decades, the Comedy), so it's certainly an oversight on my part to not think of them!
   1725. Greg K Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:50 PM (#5785037)
As I alluded to earlier Wolf is the king of "BREAKING NEWS". The news will be minor and have been talked to death for the last 12 hours but for Wolf it is BREAKING NEWS!!!! and stay tuned for more, and did I mention we have BREAKING NEWS!!?

The thing that confuses me about Wolf Blitzer is that he seems really bad at forming sentences. He's always stumbling through everything.

I get a presenter being vapid and unenlightening (it's TV after all!) but you'd figure they'd hire someone with a hint of charisma or the ability to lay down a smooth delivery.
   1726. BrianBrianson Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:53 PM (#5785039)
I don't think I've watched a TV news broadcast in this century.


As long as it's infotainment, might as well stick to 22 Minutes and ilk. Get proper info, and proper entertainment.
   1727. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5785040)
In Fake News news, Houston Chronicle Retracts 8 Stories After Investigation:
The Houston Chronicle announced Thursday that they had retracted eight stories after an internal investigation found they relied heavily on sources who seemingly did not exist. “The relationship between a newspaper and its readers is one of trust,” said Chronicle executive editor Nancy Barnes in a piece explaining the decision. “This investigation points to an egregious breach of that trust that is an offense to readers and journalists alike. We apologize to our readers, and to the Houston community.”

“We will be correcting or retracting all of the affected stories in order to set the record straight to the best of our ability, as I promised when this was first brought to my attention,” she added.

In September, the Texas daily was rocked by scandal after questions were raised about the reporting of Austin bureau chief Mike Ward. A lengthy investigation was unable to identity a number of sources Ward quoted on the record for his stories. He ultimately resigned from the paper after being confronted by Barnes.

The Chronicle then began an extensive effort to investigate all of Ward’s reporting to identify if there were any other instances of phony sourcing during his career there. The paper brought in Pulitzer Prize winner David Wood to lead the effort. The results of his investigation led to the the paper’s decision to retract the stories.

“Of the 275 people quoted, 122, or 44 percent, could not be found. Those 122 people appeared in 72 stories,” said Wood. “It’s impossible to prove that these people do not exist, only that with extensive research and digging, the team could not find them. And in this age of online records, including property ownership and court filings, almost everyone can be found quickly.”

Might need Internal Affairs squads to randomly audit news outlets own coverage. They used to be called editors, but standards seem to have slipped lately.
   1728. RoyalFlush Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:57 PM (#5785041)
I'm pretty far left and agree with the Lemon/Cuomo comments here. They are unwatchable.

Cooper is good. And I like a lot of his panelists (Axelrod, Toobin, Navarro, Powers, Bash, hell - even Santorum doesn't piss me off that much).

I don't find Maddow and Carlson to be two sides of the same coin. I think Maddow has an actual journalistic style to her presentation - where Carlson is just spewing his thoughts. I'm sure I'm biased on that. Maybe Matthews and Carlson are a bit more comparable? I don't know.

When is someone going to launch pundit-reference.com with all of left/right platoon splits for network news people. Someone here needs to get on that!

   1729. BrianBrianson Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:58 PM (#5785043)
The big problem in CNN's coverage is Wolf Blitzer. He ignores facts as he searches for the exciting story, like a dog chasing squirrels in a park. He gasps in amazement over a potential upset, John King notes that it is only 1% reporting and there is no real way it will end up in an upset, and Wolf just ignores him until the next waive of reports comes in.


Maybe my favourite TV election broadcast memory was Rex Murphy losing his #### over the Marxist-Leninist steamroller in Etobicoke Lakeshore - I think it was 2011. For like 20 minutes, only one poll had reported, with the Marxist-Leninist having received ~50 of the ~60 votes cast. The riding typically gets ~50k - but for whatever reason, that one poll reported way faster, and they kept coming back and back to it.

The worst part was the Liberal had received 0 votes, and the result was also certainly a data entry error.
   1730. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:01 PM (#5785044)
As long as it's infotainment, might as well stick to 22 Minutes and ilk. Get proper info, and proper entertainment.


I'm ashamed to admit I've added the transcripts of last night's Carlson and Ingraham into my morning hate reading.
   1731. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:02 PM (#5785046)
This now just coming into the CNN newsroom, we have BREAKING NEWS and here is Chris Cuomo to tell us about this important BREAKING NEWS we have coming in.

Thanks, Wolf, yes we are asking the TOUGH QUESTIONS about this BREAKING NEWS and we're going to get the bottom of these BREAKING NEWS TOUGH QUESTIONS. Our guest will be Anthony Scaramucci to discuss this BREAKING NEWS and answer the TOUGH QUESTIONS.

OK, thank you Chris, this is certainly important BREAKING NEWS so stay with us after the break when we'll discuss how Erin Burnett will break down this BREAKING NEWS coming up at the top the of the hour.

That's right, Wolf, tonight on Out Front, we'll be talking about Anderson Cooper's coverage this BREAKING NEWS you just mentioned and how he will hand it off to Don Lemon for more discussion of this BREAKING NEWS.
   1732. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5785047)
FTR - I do think Jake Tapper is occasionally watchable, but yeah... too early most days.
   1733. Jay Z Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5785048)
Ordinarily, when I tell my partner to pick up queen holding nothing but the right bower and a coupe off-suit aces, the response is angrier than "Interesting... do you find this chaos aggressive style of play works for you?"


Ah, euchre. Sheepshead for dummies.
   1734. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5785049)
Might need Internal Affairs squads to randomly audit news outlets own coverage. They used to be called editors, but standards seem to have slipped lately.
So, Clapper, as long as you're sharing your thoughts on the subject of journalism...what's your take on the Acosta situation?
   1735. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:10 PM (#5785050)
1727. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 09, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5785040)
In Fake News news,
Hey Clapper - any comment, anything at all, regarding the White House employing an edited video in support of their accusations that Jim Acosta "laid his hands" upon an intern?

ETA: Fine, a Coke.
   1736. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5785051)
Ordinarily, when I tell my partner to pick up queen holding nothing but the right bower and a coupe off-suit aces, the response is angrier than "Interesting... do you find this chaos aggressive style of play works for you?"

Ah, euchre. Sheepshead for dummies.


I've played Sheepshead!

I liked it - the problem with it is that it's rather complicated... and while I suppose if you play it enough, it gets easier - euchre generally involves copious, ummm... refreshments of various varieties and extensive quantities.

Euchre just fits better with that paradigm.

And BTW - knock euchre >>>>> bid euchre
   1737. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5785052)
Hey Clapper, what did you think about the WH Spokeswoman sharing a doctored InfoWars tape as an excuse to make up a lie about Jim Acosta and revoke his credentials?

I might be the only one interested, but would like your opinion nonetheless.
   1738. BrianBrianson Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5785053)
So, my quick parsing of Wikipedia is that Sheepshead lies somewhere in between Euchre and Bridge?
   1739. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5785054)
Student who refuses to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance expelled, Texas attorney general backs school
India, now 18, was sent home last year after sitting during the pledge. Her mother, Kizzy Landry, said when she came to pick up India, the school provided little details as to why her daughter was kicked out. Later, the principal told the mother"She can't come to my school if she won't stand for the pledge." (...)

Houston attorney Randall Kallinen has filed a federal lawsuit on Landry’s behalf. He argues that free speech protections also apply to silent protests.

"Schoolchildren cannot unilaterally refuse to participate in the pledge,” Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said in a statement this week, noting that Texas is one of 26 states with similar Pledge statutes. "Requiring the pledge to be recited at the start of every school day has the laudable result of fostering respect for our flag and a patriotic love of our country."

Totally normal country, not fascist at all.
   1740. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:15 PM (#5785056)
Heyoh, Clapper/ What do you think about the executive branch using a doctored InfoWars snippet to further their agenda?
   1741. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5785059)
Chirp...chirp...chirp...
   1742. Greg K Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5785060)
And BTW - knock euchre >>>>> bid euchre

Is knock euchre just standard euchre?

If so I agree whole heartedly. I've never actually played bid euchre but it has been described to me, and it sounds like an abomination.
   1743. Greg K Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5785062)
Schoolchildren cannot unilaterally refuse to participate in the pledge


At the risk of being the most predictable poster here, America is a weird place.

Though I think standing for the national anthem at school is normal, so there's probably plenty of people out in the world who think Canada is weird too.
   1744. Tin Angel Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5785063)
So Trump has seven tweets on Broward County election results, two on the Thousand Oaks shooting, and zero on California wildfires. No speaking in public, just tweets. And he has now left for France.
   1745. Lassus Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5785065)
That's ok, I've heard from someone or another here that the President doesn't actually lead the country, make any decisions, or generally do anything that affects anyone or that anyone should care about.
   1746. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5785066)
So, my quick parsing of Wikipedia is that Sheepshead lies somewhere in between Euchre and Bridge?


Plus, there's like quantum physics involved I think...

I think I was something like 25 when I first discovered that "euchre" was actually not spelled like the Brewers color man and former catcher... which, in the very early Lycos days of the internet, always led me to believe that it must have been a rather niche game.

One particular euchre tradition that I see wikipedia fails to mention - but must be a thing, because I grew up with the rule and two other geographically separate set of friends likewise understand as law... If you get skunked (lose 10-0) - you are required to disrobe and run around what building or structure you are playing in or near. No exceptions.

I've only had this dishonor twice - but once was in January with about a foot of snow on the ground and it was NOT a pleasant experience.

A friend of mine, though, once had the misfortune of it happening to him in downtown Cleveland... which was probably worse.

I actually do tend to play relatively cautious and break out the chaos aggressive only when we've put points on the board...
   1747. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5785068)
Is knock euchre just standard euchre?

If so I agree whole heartedly. I've never actually played bid euchre but it has been described to me, and it sounds like an abomination.


In my mind it is.

Pencil and paper? #### that.
   1748. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:34 PM (#5785069)
It's pretty incredible he's leaving on what is basically a working vacation in what is one of the busiest political times of the year.
   1749. PreservedFish Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5785071)
One particular euchre tradition that I see wikipedia fails to mention - but must be a thing, because I grew up with the rule and two other geographically separate set of friends likewise understand as law... If you get skunked (lose 10-0) - you are required to disrobe and run around what building or structure you are playing in or near. No exceptions.


I believe this is a beer pong rule.
   1750. SteveF Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5785074)
Schoolchildren cannot unilaterally refuse to participate in the pledge

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

Schoolchildren can almost certainly unilaterally refuse to participate in the pledge, irrespective of what a Texas statute says.

Edited for spelling: A talking Texas Statue is the stuff of nightmares.
   1751. tshipman Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5785075)
If so I agree whole heartedly. I've never actually played bid euchre but it has been described to me, and it sounds like an abomination.


In my mind it is.

Pencil and paper? #### that.


Interesting. I didn't know there was a non-bid form of Euchre.

FYI--you don't keep score with a pen and paper. You use a six and a four, and cover the pips to keep score.
   1752. BrianBrianson Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5785077)
I agree it seems a bit silly. Like, if you're playing to be serious, learn Stayman, 4NT asking (maybe Gerber is smarter), strong two/weak three ... if your opponents are drinking heavily and you're trying to be serious, I recommend a Strong Pass. Fun stuff.
   1753. zenbitz Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5785080)
Might need Internal Affairs squads to randomly audit news outlets own coverage. They used to be called editors, but standards seem to have slipped lately.


Yes, that's how we know Fox News publishes only the truth! They never retract anything!
   1754. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5785081)
It's pretty incredible he's leaving on what is basically a working vacation in what is one of the busiest political times of the year.
Nah, TDS alert there.

It would be weirder if he *didn't* commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of WWI with other world leaders. That's a sufficiently big deal, it's not like he controls that date, and he *is* POTUS.
   1755. zenbitz Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5785082)
Edited for spelling: A talking Texas Statue is the stuff of nightmares.

FTFY
   1756. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5785084)
FYI--you don't keep score with a pen and paper. You use a six and a four, and cover the pips to keep score.


Maybe it's a variant or something from the mutant-upon-mutant sect who introduced it to me -- you had to bid points on top of tricks, so it wasn't a standard 1/2/4 scoring system to be done with what should be yes, standard 6 and 4 card scoring.
   1757. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5785085)
It would be weirder if he *didn't* commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of WWI with other world leaders. That's a sufficiently big deal, it's not like he controls that date, and he *is* POTUS.


He's got no real events scheduled other than the event on Sunday. It's a working vacation. Other post-midterm POTUS walkabouts have been much more extensive. He's a lazy guy among other things.
   1758. BrianBrianson Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5785086)
Yes, the bid Euchre being described there is more like Spades than Euchre as I understand Euchre,
   1759. BDC Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:56 PM (#5785087)
I knew people who insisted on scoring euchre with 2s and 3s, with some system of placing the top card horizontally or vertically to show whether you were starting from 0 or 5. Very easy to pick up a quick 5 points if your opponents were drunk, which was a near certainty.
   1760. Man o' Schwar Posted: November 09, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5785089)
I agree it seems a bit silly. Like, if you're playing to be serious, learn Stayman, 4NT asking (maybe Gerber is smarter), strong two/weak three ... if your opponents are drinking heavily and you're trying to be serious, I recommend a Strong Pass. Fun stuff.

This is nice to see. Seems like no one plays Goren bidding anymore. Everyone wants to play weak 2, which drives me nuts. I'll give up my strong 2-bids when you pry the deck from my cold, dead hands.
   1761. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:01 PM (#5785091)
Yes, the bid Euchre being described there is more like Spades than Euchre as I understand Euchre,


Right, that's what I said when taught it... pick a damn lane.
   1762. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5785093)
I knew people who insisted on scoring euchre with 2s and 3s, with some system of placing the top card horizontally or vertically to show whether you were starting from 0 or 5. Very easy to pick up a quick 5 points if your opponents were drunk, which was a near certainty.


Much as the people I play/played with are not exactly sticklers for no chicanery like deck-stacking, table talk, and the like -- we were universally draconian on score cheating.

There have to be guiderails.
   1763. PreservedFish Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:07 PM (#5785095)
Trump can go on vacation as often as he wants, as far as I'm concerned. Heck, take a sabbatical. A gap year.
   1764. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5785096)
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette


Yeah, this has been settled law since the '40s.
   1765. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5785098)
He's a lazy guy among other things.
On that note, haven't heard much about golfing these days. It used to be a big deal, he'd hit Mar-a-Lago every weekend. Presumably he hasn't had time lately, what with all the campaigning. And Iowa caucuses are right around the corner...
   1766. Kiko Sakata Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5785101)
He's got no real events scheduled other than the event on Sunday. It's a working vacation. Other post-midterm POTUS walkabouts have been much more extensive. He's a lazy guy among other things.


Are you seriously objecting to President Trump not doing things? President Trump not doing things is by far the best possible Donald Trump.
   1767. BrianBrianson Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5785102)
Yes - a weak two big doesn't gum up the bidding enough to really disrupt your opponents. If you're weak and want to ruin their ability to bid, a jump to the 3 level is a lot more useful.

And, of course, if you have a strong hand, you want the space to bid.

Weak two is for cowards.
   1768. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5785103)
This is why he decided to go. Yes I'm objecting because his logic is retarded.
   1769. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:38 PM (#5785108)
He's a coward in person and a lion in front of a microphone.

He's a bully.


He's a huge #####. He's been able to hide behind lawyers his entire life to protect him from the consequences of his obnoxious behavior and this petulant narcissism is the inevitable result. He's a coward's idea of a tough guy, all big talk and nothing else.
   1770. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:44 PM (#5785110)
This is kinda fun, even if it is #FakeNews:
Whitaker was so involved in the company he sent a threatening email to a disgruntled customer, which was filed in the case by the FTC. In it, Whitaker accuses a customer of "blackmail or extortion" because the customer had threatened to complain to the Better Business Bureau.

"I am a former United States Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa," the email says. "I am assuming you understand that there could be serious civil and criminal consequences for you" if the customer filed a complaint, Whitaker wrote, adding, "Understand that we take threats like this quite seriously."
Ladies and Gentlement, your Acting AG.
   1771. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:50 PM (#5785113)
Are you seriously objecting to President Trump not doing things? President Trump not doing things is by far the best possible Donald Trump.


Yes, this.

Except-

That said - I felt a lot better about him just "going away, play golf or something" in 2017 than now. I mean, foreign policy? Mike friggin' Pompeo is the 'moderate'. John F'ing Bolton is the national security advisor. "Oh, good - we'll let people who thought the W foreign policy wasn't bad enough run the show" does not confidence make. Meanwhile, domestic policy is what... Jarvanka and Stephen Miller? THAT doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Finally... who's the top economics guy now.... the Lou Dobbs who isn't racist and at least still actually screams about economics and finance on cable TV?

His 2017 foreign, domestic, economic top people were a sad collection of not even GOP JV, but GOP intramural players, drifting newbies who at least you could say "well, how bad can he be? He's run a big company/managed to get a few stars on his epaulets/worked for so-and-so a long time ago," and assorted donors.

Now?

I'm not entirely sure the nightmare shitshow is actually better than Professor Chaos. At least they'd keep each other busy.
   1772. Greg K Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5785114)
FYI--you don't keep score with a pen and paper. You use a six and a four, and cover the pips to keep score.

This is a point of contention in my family. I use two 5s to score. Which marks me out as a barbarian. The proper way to score is with a 2 and a 3.
   1773. Mike A Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5785115)

"I am a former United States Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa,"
I assume he added, 'I drive a Dodge Stratus!'

Only the best people. Only the best.
   1774. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5785116)
The pastor Jonathan Martin in the middle of a speaking tour-

@boyonthebike
Sorry those who want me to get back to talking about Jesus—he’s actually all I talk about. I just think the worship of Jesus is mutually exclusive of a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic folk religion that exploits the poor, rapes creation, & bows at the gun rather than the cross.
   1775. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5785118)
   1776. TDF, trained monkey Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:02 PM (#5785119)
So in one corner of the country, the Ds are suing because demanding signatures match exactly is unconstitutional because different counties use different criteria.

In another corner of the country, the Rs are suing because some counties are checking that signatures match, while others aren't (they're suing a county that does).

Ah, politics.
   1777. SteveF Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5785120)
Ah, politics.

Hypocrites are half right, I suppose.
   1778. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:06 PM (#5785121)
Matthew Dowd

@matthewjdowd

I worked on the Bush campaign in 2000 and was chief strategist in 2004. Not counting all the votes in Florida in 2000 was a grave injustice and caused many to question the legitimacy of Bush election. Let us not repeat that injustice in FL and AZ this year. Count all the votes.
7,783
7:04 AM - Nov 9, 2018


"Count all the votes" is a dumb comment, which is why it's applauded by dumb people. The comment is in line with "Stop all traffic fatalities," with the advocated mechanism being to reduce the speed limit to 15 mph.

There's a statutory scheme in place. It should be followed. If the statute says "Count all votes no matter what" then do that. If the statute says "Each county must submit its results by X deadline" then that's what needs to be followed.
   1779. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5785122)
Like I said. Announcing the “wins” before the counts were done is straight propaganda 101 for authoritarian and fascist regimes planting seeds for delegitimization of outcomes they will won’t to overturn. They are fascists. They are running the Erdogan playbook to the T.


Umm, Gillum conceded, thus "announcing DeSantis's 'win.'"

Do you want to re-think this?
   1780. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:09 PM (#5785123)
Dailykos, but it's Meteor Blades who I think is awesome...

Looks like youth vote turnout hit 30%. That's awesome. You know what? I think it's even awesome although the split (67D-33R) isn't actually as wide as I'd have thought. Though, you can't really complain about an all-time high in D/R splits.

It warms the cockles of my heart to imagine Ray, David, Dan, and SBB enjoying their golden years under the warm, secure blanket of a then-to-be-in-power bunch of SJW socialists who won't get off their lawn.... and another good reason for the country to survive the Trump years.
   1781. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:10 PM (#5785125)
Trump's tweets about AZ this afternoon disturb me greatly.
   1782. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:13 PM (#5785126)
So in one corner of the country, the Ds are suing because demanding signatures match exactly is unconstitutional because different counties use different criteria.

In another corner of the country, the Rs are suing because some counties are checking that signatures match, while others aren't (they're suing a county that does).

Ah, politics.


Which is why I'm quite supportive of both decisions.

The intention should be to verify that the voter's eligibility can be verified. If there's an instance of fraud - by means, toss out the ballot and even prosecute whomever it did it.

I am just supremely confidant that the number of tossed ballots that ARE legitimate is going to FAR outweigh the number "Ah-ha! FRAUD!" By a very, very, very big margin.

Count them all. We've got plenty of time. Counting is good.
   1783. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5785127)
Trump's tweets about AZ this afternoon disturb me greatly.


I don't know what he tweeted about AZ this afternoon but given that it seems to disturb you greatly that he's going to France for a WWI commemoration I can imagine you're over-reacting to what he tweeted about AZ this afternoon as well.
   1784. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5785128)
I don't know the answer to this. Does a candidate conceding a race matter in a legal sense?
   1785. Zonk Sits on the Stool next to Slats Steely Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:17 PM (#5785129)
I don't know the answer to this. Does a candidate conceding a race matter in a legal sense?


Not in the barest of minimums.
   1786. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5785130)
Trump probably watches more CNN than any liberal in this thread.

Both Lemon and Cuomo are unwatchable.


Lemon is not well. You're watching a crazy person.
   1787. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5785131)
I don't know what he tweeted about AZ this afternoon but given that it seems to disturb you greatly that he's going to France for a WWI commemoration I can imagine you're over-reacting to what he tweeted about AZ this afternoon as well.


You should read the tweet thread I linked earlier. This entire trip is a disaster for the Post WWII order that has kept us secure and safe. You're a political neophyte which is fine but you have no context for his anti-Democratic and Authoritarian impulses because you've been paying attention for all of 2 years.
   1788. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5785132)
If the statute says "Each county must submit its results by X deadline" then that's what needs to be followed.


Look who's concerned about the rule of law, all of a sudden! And watch when he couldn't care less about it! He's a real wonder, our own Omega Monkey, Pajama Boy Ray Ray.
   1789. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5785133)
I don't know the answer to this. Does a candidate conceding a race matter in a legal sense?


No.

But Gillum shouldn't have done it, because now Sam thinks he's authoritarian and fascist.
   1790. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:21 PM (#5785134)
Count them all. We've got plenty of time. Counting is good.


Tell that to Ray.

You fellas may or may not have noticed my absence this week. I've been gone for a week. After witnessing in person the UF-Mizzou fiasco last Saturday, the wife and I were roughing it in our new camper. A couple of places didn't even have cell service. watched what I could of the election returns on an Orlando TV station in the new rig. I hate posting on my phone so I didn't make any comments, but I lurked some. Glad to find out I was part of the blue ripple, as my congressional seat (FL-26) changed hands.
   1791. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:23 PM (#5785136)
If the statute says "Each county must submit its results by X deadline" then that's what needs to be followed.


And that's exactly what FL says. Midnight tomorrow I believe. Doesn't stop the conspiracy theorists from the WH to the FL statehouse from spouting nonsense about stolen votes because some counties are continuing the count.
   1792. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:24 PM (#5785137)
I don't know the answer to this. Does a candidate conceding a race matter in a legal sense?


Not in the barest of minimums.


Didn't both Bush and Gore concede on election night/morning in 2000?
   1793. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:31 PM (#5785139)
"Count all the votes" is a dumb comment, which is why it's applauded by dumb people


Something you’ll never hear a smart person say: “global warming is a hoax.”
   1794. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:31 PM (#5785140)
CNN Reporter Abby Phillip: "Do you want acting AG Matt Whitaker to rein in Mueller?"

Fat Donnie: "What a stupid question that is. What a stupid question. But I watch you a lot, you ask a lot of stupid questions."



We will take that as a "yes"


I take it as you didn't understand his answer, which means he's probably smarter than you.

His phrasing was rude but his answer was on point: he may not be able to answer it truthfully without subjecting himself to further legal jeopardy. If he answers yes he'll subject himself further to an obstruction of justice charge.
   1795. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:32 PM (#5785141)
If the statute says "Each county must submit its results by X deadline" then that's what needs to be followed.



And that's exactly what FL says. Midnight tomorrow I believe


I haven't been following the particulars of this dustup -- how in the world do you people have time to closely follow every last skirmish -- but if that's what the statute says then I have no issue.
   1796. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5785142)
Black women really piss Trump off for some reason...

Trum doesn't like being talked back to by his hired help, and it's impossible for him to think of black women as anything other than maids or reality show contestants.


This is an abominable comment, a thousand times more racist than anything Trump has ever said.

Congratulations, Andy.
   1797. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5785143)
how in the world do you people have time to closely follow every last skirmish


I don't. It's my state, so I follow this one.
   1798. RoyalFlush Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5785144)
I take it as you didn't understand his answer, which means he's probably smarter than you.

His phrasing was rude but his answer was on point: he may not be able to answer it truthfully without subjecting himself to further legal jeopardy. If he answers yes he'll subject himself further to an obstruction of justice charge.


It wasn't a dumb question. And your interpretation in incorrect. He can clearly answer the question in a variety of ways - especially since he's not hemmed in by the boundaries of truth. He chose to insult the minority CNN female reporter because that's what his base likes.

   1799. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5785145)
I take it as you didn't understand his answer, which means he's probably smarter than you.


He’s a wizard!
   1800. Ray (CTL) Posted: November 09, 2018 at 05:36 PM (#5785146)
That you would see a black woman and associate her in your mind with "the hired help" in order to even make the above comment speaks volumes.
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