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OTP 2018 August 13: ‘Don’t confuse sports with politics,’ Kosovo tells Bosnia

Kosovo’s team was scheduled to play against the Bosnia and Herzegovina side on Thursday, the first day of the tournament which runs until August 16.

However the Kosovo Basketball Federation (FBK) told local media that by late Wednesday it still had not received an answer from Bosnia’s nearest embassy in Skopje, the capital of Macedonia, about the status of the team’s visa applications.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

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   501. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5726951)
The entire supreme Court of West Virginia is undergoing impeachment proceedings and for David some retired rather go through it.
Don't quite understand the "for David" part, but I haven't personally verified it, but from what I read, if a vacancy (for whatever reason -- impeachment, resignation, etc.) happen by today's date, then the state holds an election to fill the remainder of the justice's term. If the vacancy happens after today, then the governor appoints a replacement until 2020.
   502. greenback slays lewks Posted: August 14, 2018 at 10:59 PM (#5726952)
If you or anyone else can provide a pointer to said data I'd appreciate it. I assume there is more to it than what is in post 411. Thanks.

Me too. And as others have noted, the data set isn't meaningful if it can't tell the difference between antisemitism and anti-Israel views.
   503. tshipman Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:04 PM (#5726953)
Don't quite understand the "for David" part


Because you're so pedantic that you'd quibble that some of them aren't undergoing impeachment, but instead retired.
   504. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:06 PM (#5726954)
If you or anyone else can provide a pointer to said data I'd appreciate it. I assume there is more to it than what is in post 411. Thanks.
I'll have to find it, but I will.

Just to be clear, though, I am not discussing views about Israel, so we can avoid the is-criticism-of-israel-motivated-by-antisemitism / is-support-for-israel-motivated-by-biblical-end-times-prophecies debates. I am referring purely to attitudes towards Jews. Part of the issue is that blacks and hispanics, who of course make up an increasing portion of the Democratic electorate (as so many liberals here incessantly want to remind us) are significantly more anti-semitic than whites.
   505. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:10 PM (#5726956)
@AP_Politics
BREAKING: Ilhan Omar wins Democratic nomination for U.S. House in Minnesota's 5th congressional district. #APracecall at 8:56 p.m. CDT. #Election2018 #MNprimary

@NPR
Breaking: Christine Hallquist has won the Democratic primary for governor of Vermont, @AP projects. She is the first openly transgender candidate to be nominated for governor by a major party in the U.S.

@AP_Politics
BREAKING: Randy Bryce wins Democratic nomination for U.S. House in Wisconsin's 1st congressional district. #APracecall at 9:06 p.m. CDT


@dhmontgomery
Lori Swanson in her concession speech: “The people of Minnesota have spoken, and Tim Walz is going to be the next governor of the state of Minnesota.”

So decent night. (Didn't vote for Walz, but, I mean, the victory is that Swanson lost.)
   506. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5726958)

Same with the ####### Russia obsession. There’s not a single poor person who gives a single #### about Paul Manafort,
Davo, Speaker For the Poor.
   507. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:14 PM (#5726959)
@meganbreah
It's worth noting that in the #MNPrimaries , Democrat turnout is DOUBLE that of Republicans with 50% of precincts reporting. Example: in the race for Governor GOP= 183,797 and DFL= 368,427.
   508. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:19 PM (#5726960)
   509. Stormy JE Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:39 PM (#5726964)
Zonk was praying (yes, even zonkie prays now and then) for Paul Nehlen to score big tonight.

So let's examine the results:

Bryan Steil: 28,069 (51%)
Nick Polce: 8,200 (15%)
Paul Nehlen: 5,942 (10%)

Sad!

But zonk will say that's still almost 6K GOP votes for the rabid anti-Semite, proof that OMG the GOP Brownshirts are coming!!!

Well, let's compare to 2016 when Speaker Ryan embarrassed the #### out of Nehlen:

Paul Ryan: 57,364 (84.1%)
Paul Nehlen: 10,864 (14.9%)

Got that? Trump is now POTUS and yet Nehlen's vote total against his fellow challengers was barely half of what it was two years ago when he faced off against the Speaker of the House. And of course he got a significantly lower share of the Republican vote.

Meanwhile, the hater easily won the DFL nomination in MN-5 and she will almost certainly replace the hater (and possible domestic abuser) in Congress who won his race to be the DFL's AG candidate.

Poor, pathetic zonkie.
   510. Stormy JE Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:49 PM (#5726968)
I am so up to here with talk about anti-semitism racism. I get why Jews blacks care about it (obviously). I get why anti-semites racists care about it. But with all due respect to members of the tribe my chocolate brothers and sisters, there are far, far more people in this country who are neither Jewish nor anti-semitic black nor racist, and most are either unaware, or are aware but have far more pressing matters to occupy their thoughts. If I didn't frequent this site and particularly this thread, I wouldn't give it a second thought. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. ...
Great work, Misirlou.
   511. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:58 PM (#5726970)

Great work, Misirlou.
I was gonna go with the transgender substitution.
   512. greenback slays lewks Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:02 AM (#5726971)
most are either unaware

You're going to have a hard time selling this point when it comes to racism and black people in the US. Putting aside a civil war over the issue for a moment, you just ranted about a "white nationalist" in the immediately prior post.
   513. Stormy JE Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:16 AM (#5726972)
You're going to have a hard time selling this point when it comes to racism and black people in the US. Putting aside a civil war over the issue for a moment, you just ranted about a "white nationalist" in the immediately prior post.
Yeah, I think you misunderstood the point of #510.
   514. Stormy JE Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:32 AM (#5726977)
An Alt-Right No-Show:
In the last 12 months, the left—abetted by some in the media—has transformed Charlottesville into “Charlottesville”—a one-word symbol of civic and racial strife presumably at large in Donald Trump’s America.

To be sure, Mr. Trump ham-handedly gave the left this opening by issuing an equivocal statement about the Charlottesville violence. He deserved criticism, and he got it.

The left, nonetheless, has kept alive the notion that the Trump Presidency is an enabler of larger, latent white supremacist sentiment that is supposedly surging in the U.S. The truth is closer to the pathetic reality of Sunday’s mini-rally in Washington.

Until recently, the various aggregations of alt-right sentiment were called fringe groups because they were exactly that—extremists operating on the loony edge of American politics. And the white-supremacist movement seen in Charlottesville last August has largely collapsed the past year because of infighting and disorganization.

But with the help of social media, the lunatic fringe has forced its way into the mainstream media and been made to look larger and more important than it is. The left recognized that the newly visible alt-right could be turned into a political weapon by drawing a straight line between Trump voters and white supremacists, thereby hoping to scare off more mainstream supporters of the current government. ...

One person who deserves commendation is D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser. Before the rally she said, “While we are opposed adamantly to what we are going to hear, we know what our responsibility is—to protect First Amendment events.” In the current climate, Mayor Bowser’s admirable defense of free speech will need all the support it can get.
   515. Shredder Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:34 AM (#5726979)
Same with the ####### Russia obsession. There’s not a single poor person who gives a single #### about Paul Manafort,
Manafort should totally go free, then. All decisions to prosecute crimes should be based on what poor people give a #### about.
   516. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:46 AM (#5726982)
He's right, here, though. You can't say, "Trump insulted X, Y, and Z, who are black, so he's racist." Trump is pretty much an equal opportunity insulter: if you're Putin, or if you praise or support Trump, then you're great/smart/nice/very fine people; criticize Trump and you're terrible/stupid/lying.

Pretty sure that he doesn't call his white critics animals and dogs; less sure about LOW IQ and DUMB. I suppose I'd have to research.


I researched one of these. Remember when Trump called Hillary a "nasty" woman and everyone went bezerk? Well, I did the Job That Journalists Won't Do -- objectively analyze a situation -- and googled whether Trump had ever used the term "nasty" to describe a man as I suspected he had. And sure enough, nine months earlier...

"Trump trashes Cruz as a 'nasty guy'
By Nick Gass
| 01/20/16 09:01 AM EST

...

“You know, Ted is not a person that’s liked. I mean, he’s a nasty guy, and people don’t like him, and I was really surprised to see that,” Trump mused.
   517. Stormy JE Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:47 AM (#5726983)
Pretty sure that he doesn't call his white critics animals and dogs; less sure about LOW IQ and DUMB. I suppose I'd have to research.
I recall Trump referring to "Sloppy Steve" Bannon as a dog. Michael Wolff too.

https://people.com/politics/trump-calls-author-a-total-loser-claims-steve-bannon-cried-when-he-got-fired-in-twitter-rant/
   518. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:52 AM (#5726984)
Manafort defense rests without calling a witness. Any of the lawyers here have a thought what that means or portends, if anything?


In a normal case it would mean that the defense feels that their best chance to win is to argue in closing that the prosecution didn't prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

This could be either because the defense truly fees the prosecution didn't prove its case and therefore to call witnesses might only undo that, or because the defense understands that it simply has no defense. (The latter would typically have caused the defense to accept a plea bargain in some form rather than go to trial -- again, in a normal case.)

In this instance, perhaps they're going for a pardon: Shooting the moon by losing on every count and getting a massive sentence such that Trump can make a better public argument for pardoning Manafort.

   519. Stormy JE Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:56 AM (#5726985)
   520. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:59 AM (#5726986)
All in all, a pretty good night for people who hate the Democratic Party.
   521. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:07 AM (#5726990)
Yup, Trump calls pretty much everyone who he think crosses him a dog.


Of course.

It's classic selective memory and confirmation bias on the part of Lassus and his closest 66 million friends who are wigging out about this.
   522. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:13 AM (#5726992)
Didn't our Little Lord grudgingly admit that we never should have allowed the goombah hordes like his family into the country when they clearly brought the twin scourges of organized crime and Popery with them? Basically MS13 without tattoos.


I said something like that -- minus the flare -- with respect to organized crime and immigration policy vis a vis Italians back in the day, essentially agreeing with Andy's point on it, which no doubt shocked him.

Pretty sure I didn't say anything about them bringing "Popery" with them being a factor. Not that I have any respect for Catholicism per se (as with all religion) but I wouldn't see it as a negative with regard to immigration policy.
   523. tshipman Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:18 AM (#5726993)
Yup, Trump calls pretty much everyone who he think crosses him a dog.


Of course.

It's classic selective memory and confirmation bias on the part of Lassus and his closest 66 million friends who are wigging out about this.


The justifications when the N-Word tape drop will be hilarious.
   524. Shredder Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:21 AM (#5726995)
Alt-Right No-Show:
Hey guys, the WSJ opinion page agrees with Jason, so, ya know, no disputing that. I mean, it's right there in the WSJ opinion page, which is as straight down the middle op-ed source as any of you can find.
   525. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:24 AM (#5726996)
Great work, Misirlou.

I was gonna go with the transgender substitution.


So many substitutions fit.
   526. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:25 AM (#5726997)
The justifications when the N-Word tape drop will be hilarious.


Wait - you're confident there's an N-word tape that didn't drop before the election?
   527. zenbitz Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:54 AM (#5726998)
this year shows that only 27% of Democrats sympathize with Israel over the Palestinians


Are you literally saying that 83% of Democrats are anti-semites?

[EDIT: I deleted the rest of this, it was silly and I don't really want to get involved]
   528. tshipman Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:59 AM (#5726999)
Wait - you're confident there's an N-word tape that didn't drop before the election?


Yes, very.


I'm also confident that it's completely unimportant now. You, for example, will still support him, and defend his racism and casual sexism.

(Btw: why act shocked that the tape didn't drop before the election? He successfully covered up multiple affairs with pornstars and playmates. Why is Mark Burnett covering his ass so unbelievable? The Access Hollywood tape only was seen because it was leaked)
   529. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: August 15, 2018 at 03:58 AM (#5727001)
this year shows that only 27% of Democrats sympathize with Israel over the Palestinians

Are you literally saying that 83% of Democrats are anti-semites?

100-27-73

But yeah, other than that, pretty much that is their definition.
   530. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 15, 2018 at 06:26 AM (#5727005)
I am so up to here with talk about anti-semitism racism. I get why Jews blacks care about it (obviously). I get why anti-semites racists care about it. But with all due respect to members of the tribe my chocolate brothers and sisters, there are far, far more people in this country who are neither Jewish nor anti-semitic black nor racist, and most are either unaware, or are aware but have far more pressing matters to occupy their thoughts. If I didn't frequent this site and particularly this thread, I wouldn't give it a second thought. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. ...


Great work, Misirlou.

And great work, JE. With all those changes to Misirlou's post, you've just made the first honest acknowledgement of your own racial worldview since Trump entered the White House, however unintentionally.
   531. greenback slays lewks Posted: August 15, 2018 at 06:37 AM (#5727006)
Yeah, I think you misunderstood the point of #510.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here. You're probably right, that that was a mistake.

Still waiting for that data, David.
   532. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2018 at 06:38 AM (#5727007)
Lassus and his closest 66 million friends who are wigging out about this.
290. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5726484)

Pretty sure that he doesn't call his white critics animals and dogs; less sure about LOW IQ and DUMB. I suppose I'd have to research.
-sigh-


Hey there, you can actually see my wig flying off in this post, I think. Look at all the cursing and capital letters and extra exclamation points.

No, Ray, I'm a lot more likely to wig out at the fact that you have no idea at all how the motherfucking English language or goddamn words that make it up work.
   533. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 06:59 AM (#5727008)
Didn't our Little Lord grudgingly admit that we never should have allowed the goombah hordes like his family into the country when they clearly brought the twin scourges of organized crime and Popery with them? Basically MS13 without tattoos.

I said something like that -- minus the flare


Well that’s a given, your prose is as bland and flavorless as the egg noodles with ketchup Henry Hill got at the end of “Goodfellas”.

Pretty sure I didn't say anything about them bringing "Popery" with them being a factor


Can’t have one without the other. The Mafia was a Papist organization from top to bottom and somehow managed to avoid the waves of excommunications that one might think would come along with murder and extortion.

But as long as we’re on the subject, it’s time for THIS WEEK IN POPERY!

In today’s TWIP Notes we have...well, the usual really.
Over 1000 children molested in Pennsylvania .

Bishops and other leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in Pennsylvania covered up child sexual abuse by more than 300 priests over a period of 70 years, persuading victims not to report the abuse and law enforcement not to investigate it, according to a searing report issued by a grand jury on Tuesday.

The report, which covered six of the state’s eight Catholic dioceses and found more than 1,000 identifiable victims, is the broadest examination yet by a government agency in the United States of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. The report said there are likely thousands more victims whose records were lost or who were too afraid to come forward.


Not that this really needs to be spelled out for the benefit of anyone, but at this point I don’t think an honest person could object to my description of the Catholic Church as the world’s largest, longest-operating child sex ring. Oh, you can say it’s impolite to put it that way, but it isn’t inaccurate.
   534. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 07:09 AM (#5727011)
I'm also confident that it's completely unimportant now. You, for example, will still support him, and defend his racism and casual sexism


Let’s take your theory for a test drive!

Fat bald senile guy calls deaf woman “retarded”.

The Daily Beast spoke with three different former Apprentice staffers in 2016 who confirmed the President’s predilection towards using derogatory comments against Matlin. The staffers claim the insults happened both behind her back and directly to her face. “[Trump] would often equate that she was mentally retarded,” said one source, who had to remain anonymous because of their non-disclosure contract.

In another case, The Daily Beast revealed that Trump once wrote a note during filming that read: “Marlee, is she retarded??”

Another source says that Trump would make fun of the actresses voice and was often still mic’d up while talking to his son, Donald Trump Jr. about Matlin


I assume she must have done something to deserve it. You know, like everyone else the fat lying ####### insults.

Perhaps our newly-minted “hippier then thou” team will wander by to explain that poor people don’t care about the retards. Who knows.
   535. -- Posted: August 15, 2018 at 07:46 AM (#5727017)
He's a clown and a buffoon, we all understand that.

Doesn't mean "white nationalism is on the march," or similar such nonsense.
   536. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2018 at 07:47 AM (#5727018)
I suppose it's shallow, but it's difficult to imagine what level of brain damage someone must have to insult a woman as stunning and accomplished as Marlee Matlin.


Also, I would like to amend and I suppose apologize to Ray for #532. He obviously knows how the English language works; but like many in an online forum, he simply doesn't care. Which is probably worse.
   537. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 07:57 AM (#5727019)
That Catholic Church Pedophilia case (mentioned by YR above) is quite something. Everywhere you look, every few years, it seems we get another round of this somewhere else. Clearly there is something horrifically wrong with the church's leadership model or organization that they just keep abusing children and covering it up.

Just horrifying.
   538. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 08:07 AM (#5727023)
Regarding the MN Primary results ... I had my usual mixed bag of voting results (about half my candidates won), but in net I am fine with the candidates that won.

I think Tim Walz will be the next Governor of Minnesota, Keith Ellison the next AG, and I like the odds for both Amy Klobuchar and Tina Smith.

I am surprised Ellison did as well as he did in his race given the last minute surprise, but I guess voters want more than bare accusations - perhaps in part because of the Al Franken situation, where a fair number of Democrats wish he had not resigned, and so might be willing to give Ellison the benefit of the doubt unless more proof surfaces. That is just speculation on my part though.

For Governor Walz was always the likely candidate, but I am a bit surprised Swanson did as poorly as she did. The fact that she switched to the Gov. race so late might have really hurt her - not sure.

The big surprise of the night is Jeff Johnson beating Tim Pawlenty for Gov. on the GOP side. T-Paw is a darn good politician (not my guy, but I acknowledge the game he has), but it appears he was brought down by an insufficient loyalty to Trump. I know I should stop being surprised by the Trumpification of the GOP, but I still am a bit.
   539. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 08:37 AM (#5727032)
He's a clown and a buffoon, we all understand that.


Hmmmm.... I don't know that this is correct.

I'd like to hear the other Trumpkins say the same thing - you might be right, but until I hear Ray, Juannity, and Clapper also say that "Trump is a clown and a buffoon", I don't believe this is true.
   540. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:02 AM (#5727039)
I'd like to hear the other Trumpkins say the same thing - you might be right, but until I hear Ray, Juannity, and Clapper also say that "Trump is a clown and a buffoon", I don't believe this is true.

I doubt if Ray would deny that Trump is a clown and a buffoon, but it'd be accompanied by a "So what?"

JE would admit it, but only in private, and only after frisking everyone in the room for hidden recording devices. He's got his career to think of.

Clapper? You'll have to pry such an admission out of his cold, dead hands. He's the Michael Cohen that Trump wishes he had.
   541. Jack Keefe Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:10 AM (#5727046)
All it is round here is Donald Rump. Can youse not think of some thing new.

Say I have a Tropic for you Morans. What about that women who split the coffee and got $1 Dollars from Mac Donalds. Should she of got the Million Dollars Al. That is some thing you could Discus.
   542. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:10 AM (#5727048)
Zonk was praying (yes, even zonkie prays now and then) for Paul Nehlen to score big tonight.

So let's examine the results:

Bryan Steil: 28,069 (51%)
Nick Polce: 8,200 (15%)
Paul Nehlen: 5,942 (10%)

Sad!



Are you seriously bragging that a guy who certainly snuck up on precisely no one with his Nazism this time around -- he's spent the last year and half running against the Jewish cabal media - got 6K votes in a district where the total GOP turnout was 60K (and there was a competitive primary on the D side)?

Really?

Even Breitbart had to uncomfortably "never mind" on him... and he still got 10% in a GOP primary.

You should clown yourself some more with your crybaby antisemite schtick - obviously it's a sincere thing.

So, congrats... I mean - your party has two avowed Nazis on the ballot for Congress this fall and at least one more that is at least Nazi-curious. But - you kept a 4th at 10%!

   543. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:12 AM (#5727050)
Just horrifying.


Oh you have no idea. This is just the tip of the iceberg, just one small backwoods corner of the Papist empire. Here's the interim report and it's absolutely repugnant.

Just one example picked at random, p. 285:

Father Thomas D. Skotek was ordained on June 8, 1963 in the Diocese of Scranton. Skotek
sexually assaulted a minor female while serving as pastor of St. Casimir in Freeland between
January, 1980 and March, 1985. The female became pregnant and Skotek aided the girl in
obtaining an abortion.


On p. 286 is a copy of a letter sent by Bishop Timlin concerning the situation: "This is a very difficult time for you, and I realize how upset you are. I too share your grief."

It was sent to the priest. There was no communication with the raped girl.
   544. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:21 AM (#5727056)
But I was told here it was the gays who caused all this molestation... difficulty for the church.
   545. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:24 AM (#5727059)
I was told it was just a few bad apples, and while not all fruits are apples, all apples are fruits. So yes, the gays.
   546. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:37 AM (#5727064)
All it is round here is Donald Rump. Can youse not think of some thing new.

Say I have a Tropic for you Morans. What about that women who split the coffee and got $1 Dollars from Mac Donalds. Should she of got the Million Dollars Al. That is some thing you could Discus.


Jack, that discussion lasted for the better part of a week. Casey sez you kin look it up.
   547. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5727066)
   548. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5727067)
Tucker Carlson asking the important and not at all fascist questions.



Should citizenship be a birthright


Remember folks - it's Clapper and his crew who want to believe Trump and the Trumpkins are just protecting the status quo.
   549. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5727069)
Zonk, he’s just asking questions.
   550. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5727075)
I was gonna go with the transgender substitution.


We discuss transgender an appropriate amount, which is to say, very little. Every time Jason returns from self imposed exile, it's all anti-semitism all the time. He's uncle Leo on steroids.
   551. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5727080)
Baghdad Blog finally admitting a lie.

(CNN)White House press secretary Sarah Sanders issued a rare correction Tuesday night after falsely declaring that President Donald Trump has created three times as many jobs for African-American workers as former President Barack Obama did during his two terms in office.

"Correction from today's briefing: Jobs numbers for Pres Trump and Pres Obama were correct, but the time frame for Pres Obama wasn't. I'm sorry for the mistake, but no apologies for the 700,000 jobs for African Americans created under President Trump," Sanders wrote in a tweet.
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"This President since he took office, in the year and a half that he's been here, has created 700,000 new jobs for African-Americans," Sanders said from the White House podium. "That's 700,000 African-Americans that are working now that weren't working when this President took place. When President Obama left, after eight years in office, he had only created 195,000 jobs for African-Americans."

But that's not even close to true, according to Labor Department figures.

Hours after the briefing, after Bloomberg News pointed out the inaccuracy, the White House Council of Economic Advisers apologized for the figure. It posted a tweet citing a "miscommunication" to Sanders.

While it's true that the US economy has added about 700,000 jobs held by African American workers since Trump took office, it added about 3 million black jobs while Obama was in office, according federal labor statistics.


200,000. 3,000,000. Same thing really. How does this happen? Who the hell vets these statements?
   552. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5727081)
We discuss transgender an appropriate amount, which is to say, very little. Every time Jason returns from self imposed exile, it's all anti-semitism all the time. He's uncle Leo on steroids.


Maybe more than we should, since one of the more prolific posters here has a personal connection to it. (Me by the way, for those confused or new here)

Personally, if I were as tired of the subject (Anti-Semitism) as you are I would have gone NRA on the bit and just offered your thoughts and prayers to Israel and any others afflicted by it. I am given to understand that is a 100% foolproof way to offer the absolute minimal support for victims regarding something and still be immune to any criticism that one is not only not doing anything about the problem, but is in a sense enabling it.
   553. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5727087)
So if I were in the GOP or a supporters of them, the continuing trend of such article would definitely concern me. As it is, it is a trend that bears watching.


House: Three More GOP Seats Join the Toss Up Column


For Republicans, the 2018 House playing field is a lot like a game of Whack-a-Mole: everywhere they turn, new problems keep popping up in surprising places. In January, we rated 20 GOP-held seats as Toss Ups or worse, including three leaning towards Democrats. With today's changes, we now rate 37 GOP-held seats as Toss Ups or worse, including ten leaning towards Democrats.

Republicans are relieved that state Sen. Troy Balderson appears to have eked out a win in Ohio's 12th CD special election last week. But a new round of polls shows several more GOP incumbents, including Reps. Mimi Walters (CA-45) and Tom MacArthur (NJ-03) highly vulnerable. Their seats, along with Rep. Robert Pittenger's open NC-09, move from Lean Republican to the Toss Up column.


I suspect if articles like this keep appearing the Cook Political Report will be branded as yet another liberal media front or something.
   554. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5727091)
We discuss transgender an appropriate amount, which is to say, very little. Every time Jason returns from self imposed exile, it's all anti-semitism all the time. He's uncle Leo on steroids.


Maybe more than we should, since one of the more prolific posters here has a personal connection to it. (Me by the way, for those confused or new here)


With all due respect --

When stuff like this still happens - and a school closes because parents are threatening bodily harm to a 7th grader - maybe not.

The post set off reactions from other adults who referred to the 7th grade student as “this thing” and “half baked maggot.” One parent repeatedly referred to the student as “he” and suggested a “good sharp knife” stop the student. Another parent said that their child should “whip his ass until he quits coming to school.”


This wasn't drunken billy bob at the local tavern -- it was parents writing under their own names on a district parents FB page.

   555. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5727094)
Who the hell vets these statements?

Who vets them?
   556. Shredder Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5727095)
200,000. 3,000,000. Same thing really. How does this happen? Who the hell vets these statements?
Trump. He vets them all. But recall, he lives by the philosophy "People will believe you. You just tell them and they believe you."
   557. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5727096)
With all due respect --


I am pretty sure one can find such stories about Anti-Semitism.

I don't think the discussion here means much in the greater scheme of things. So I am not all that concerned with discussing important subject the "right" amount. People should talk about what they want - as long as it is vaguely topic adjacent and not boring (which is the main reason for those I have ignored, BTW, disagreeing with me is awesome, being really tediously boring about it is not).

So when I suggest we are perhaps talking about some subjects perhaps more than "we should" it is not a call to talk about other things, just an opinionated observation.
   558. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5727098)
428

I don't think you know what "innuendo" means


It's an Italian enema.
   559. perros Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5727099)

Not that this really needs to be spelled out for the benefit of anyone, but at this point I don’t think an honest person could object to my description of the Catholic Church as the world’s largest, longest-operating child sex ring. Oh, you can say it’s impolite to put it that way, but it isn’t inaccurate.


Accurate, yes, but one really should spell it out:


George said he never discussed the nude Polaroids, or the twisted, secret gifts he and the other kids had been given decades ago by the men who preyed on them. These weren’t the kinds of things you could share without feeling humiliated, especially if you grew up tough, like he did on the South Side of Pittsburgh.

But you can’t outrun your nightmares forever. So on Dec. 17 — a week before Roman Catholics around the world celebrated Christmas — George met with a Pennsylvania grand jury and told it about the Rev. George Zirwas, a friendly young priest who once took him to a rectory in Munhall, a borough about 25 minutes from downtown Pittsburgh, and introduced him to some friends: The Revs. Francis Pucci, Richard Zula, and Francis Luddy.

During a conversation about religious statues, the priests told George to get onto a bed and remove his shirt, and strike a pose like Jesus on the cross. Then they instructed him to strip off his pants and underwear, according to a grand jury report released Tuesday by Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro.

In the unnerving moments that followed, George claimed that Zula or Pucci began taking photos of him on a Polaroid camera. All of the priests giggled — and then added the photos of George to a collection of photos of other teen boys. According to the grand jury, these men and another priest, the Rev. Robert Wolk, were part of a “ring of predatory priests” who raped children, shared intelligence on potential victims, and manufactured child pornography in parishes and rectories.

Same kinda things happened worldwide. Safe to say they happen in authoritarian religious communities far and wide, and are covered up to maintain that authoritarian hold on its subjects.

The worst part is how victims are made co-conspiritors in the silencing and coverup.

Full grand jury report
   560. Morty Causa Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5727100)
Don't take this as me saying something positive about Trump, but when is the last time a President, and before that a presidential candidate, so radically changed a major political party? In some essential ways, the Republican Party has gone from a coon dog to a squirrel dog. Moreover, he has changed the discourse. Some things are now on the table that weren't before. Let's not kid ourselves: the Donald is a force to reckon with and the Democrats better come up with a good, charismatic candidate or it may be tough sledding. We grievously underestimated Trump before--for instance, remember the 14% was the vote ceiling and those polls right before the election? Let's not do it again.
   561. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5727101)
431

The GOP has tactical reasons when it doesn't contest an election or makes only a nominal effort.


Right. And if the Yankees had REALLY wanted deGrom...
   562. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5727103)
Who vets them?


Yeah, I get it. But do they really just pull some number out of their ass because it will make them look good. I know this administration is as incompetent as all get out, but that kind of gross incompetence is just a little too much for me to believe.

So, some staffer made a mistake, and cited Obama's last quarterly jobs report or something. Assuming there truly is no one to vet things before they appear on Sanders's desk, how does she make the statement. It's beyond belief that it would be true. Her job is not to mindlessly read what is put in front of her. Anyone with more than two brain cells firing could see that was a bullshit number. "Hey, someone check this. I'm sick and tired of being a punching bag for the bullshit you expect me to say at that podium."

Some of the blame goes to whomever gave her that number, but much of it goes to her. A marginally competent press secretary would never have cited it.

Off course Trump will now cite it over and over again, and if called on it will reply, "Well some people are saying it."
   563. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5727108)
Her job is not to mindlessly read what is put in front of her. Anyone with more than two brain cells firing could see that was a bullshit number. ...Some of the blame goes to whomever gave her that number, but much of it goes to her. A marginally competent press secretary would never have cited it.

Just what talent has Sarah Sanders ever exhibited beyond parroting Trump's lies and his ability to duck honest questions?

Hell, Clapper could replace her, and the marginally nearsighted wouldn't even notice.

   564. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5727109)
I don't think you know what "innuendo" means


It's an Italian enema.



Ridere forte. Questo è eccellente.
   565. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5727115)
I'd give Sanders the benefit of the doubt on this one and just say it was mistake made somewhere along the way and Sanders had a brainfart when she was regurgitating it. For this I wouldn't ascribe nefarious intent. Especially since it appears various apparatuses of the government are trying to explain the mistake instead of doubling down or ignoring it.

I think that is generally a good tip off to a known lie being told vs a mistake in this administration.
   566. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5727118)
Don't take this as me saying something positive about Trump, but when is the last time a President, and before that a presidential candidate, so radically changed a major political party? In some essential ways, the Republican Party has gone from a coon dog to a squirrel dog. Moreover, he has changed the discourse. Some things are now on the table that weren't before. Let's not kid ourselves: the Donald is a force to reckon with and the Democrats better come up with a good, charismatic candidate or it may be tough sledding. We grievously underestimated Trump before--for instance, remember the 14% was the vote ceiling and those polls right before the election? Let's not do it again.

Virtually all of them that win or at least the ones that get 2 terms?

LBJ? Check
Reagan? Check
JFK? Check
FDR? Check
Clinton? Check
Obama? Check
Bush II? Probably not
TR? Check
   567. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5727120)
For this I wouldn't ascribe nefarious intent.


I wouldn't either. I just think it's gross incompetence. And I wouldn't give her a pass on the brain fart. Either she reviewed the documentation she took into the briefing beforehand and accepted the clearly bogus number without question, or she did not review, saw it for the first time at the podium, and read it as written. Either of those speak to incompetence.
   568. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5727123)
Either of those speak to incompetence.

Sure but it is incompetence that we all have and do on occasion. IF this happens every day or frequently she has a problem. IF she screwed up and moves on and this didn't happen again it speaks to competence. For the most part she has been an effective mouthpiece for Trump. Despite many people's attempt to make her the show she has kept the focus on Trump and has not made her time in front of the camera about her. We may not like that, we may prefer an incompetent idiot bumbling around up there but for the most part she has given Trump and his Trumpkins exactly what they want.
   569. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5727132)
I dunno, McCoy. All successful Presidents leave a political legacy, sure, but radical changes to a party … I'd limit that to FDR, LBJ, and Reagan. FDR both institutionalized welfare-state liberalism and opened fault lines between northern and southern Democrats. LBJ made those fault lines into chasms. Reagan secured the solid south for Republicans, and after Reagan the idea of a liberal Republican became an oxymoron.

Depends on one's threshold for "radical," of course.

The others on the list, not nearly as much. Though sometimes one doesn't see the changes except in retrospect, so maybe we don't know yet about 43 and 44.

And thus we don't know about Trump. Maybe he's an aberration. Maybe not, and the Republicans really will pivot severely into the American analogue to the French FN or the Polish Law & Justice party.
   570. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5727134)
We may not like that, we may prefer an incompetent idiot bumbling around up there but for the most part she has given Trump and his Trumpkins exactly what they want.


That is not a crazy take, and it comes as little surprise that the communication aspect of the Trump maladministration is the best functioning part of it - it is what Trump knows and cares about.

As horrible as GOP President Trump is in most ways there are occasional signs of competence. Of course some of that might be Blind Squirrel, but still.
   571. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5727137)


Since some people were discussing it earlier this week, Ken White explains why it's not the least bit unusual for Manafort to rest without putting on a defense.
   572. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:27 AM (#5727139)

Trump. He vets them all.
But is it extreme vetting?
   573. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5727143)
The metaphor "blind squirrel" isn't quite right, I think. I don't mean the tenor, I mean the vehicle. I feed nuts to squirrels several times a day. They all seem pretty short-sighted to me. Very good sense of smell, and good hearing; you can actually catch their attention by rapping the nut on a stone. But they walk right up and never seem to have any idea what they're looking at till the last second.
   574. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5727144)
The others on the list, not nearly as much. Though sometimes one doesn't see the changes except in retrospect, so maybe we don't know yet about 43 and 44.


I am trying to decide if Clinton counts or not. It might be forgotten now, but Clinton ushered in the business friendly third way thinking and triangulation that did define the Democratic Party from 1992 through 2008, and even after that in many ways Obama - cautious technocrat that he is - still functioned largely within that context.

The quandary comes from me trying to decide if I think Clinton was more symptom than cause and also does a shift to the middle count as much as a shift away from the middle. I lean towards including him in the list, and in fact I think he changed the Democratic Party more than LBJ did, though obviously LBJ has a more substantial legacy (positive and negative) for a variety of reasons.
   575. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5727145)
Since some people were discussing it earlier this week, Ken White explains why it's not the least bit unusual for Manafort to rest without putting on a defense.


Of course you have to cite a White male.
   576. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5727150)
That's a good point about Clinton, Mouse. Carter and Clinton together did govern during a sea change for Democrats: away from regulation and the welfare state, away from the labor-union base.
   577. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5727160)
That's a good point about Clinton, Mouse. Carter and Clinton together did govern during a sea change for Democrats: away from regulation and the welfare state, away from the labor-union base.


One of the interesting things is trying to apply the correct context to everything, by doubling down on White Identity Politics, Trump is strongly defining the GOP, but that is also defining the Democratic Party - since they are effectively mirror images of each other (sorry third parties).

When the GOP repels non-White voters, more and more every cycle, well they have to go somewhere, and so even if it were not already trending that way the Democrats de facto become the party where the people of color hang out. Similarly various forces have "conspired" to drive the LGBTQ community leftward and the non-Christian community likewise.

How much of all that is one who wins the Presidency from "your" party, versus who wins on the other side versus larger demographic trends ... well it gets complex in a hurry. Of course I am not a fan of the Great Man theory of history, so my inclination is to look for forces other than individual leaders.
   578. perros Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5727170)
Carter and Clinton together did govern during a sea change for Democrats: away from regulation and the welfare state, away from the labor-union base.


They made the USA more like the South... with population moving towards the Sun Belt, too.

When the GOP repels non-White voters, more and more every cycle, well they have to go somewhere, and so even if it were not already trending that way the Democrats de facto become the party where the people of color hang out. Similarly various forces have "conspired" to drive the LGBTQ community leftward and the non-Christian community likewise.


Seems like the Jewish vote has split to both ends, favoring the GOP. Perhaps mirroring Israeli politics as well.
   579. BrianBrianson Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5727171)
Seems like the Jewish vote has split to both ends, favoring the GOP. Perhaps mirroring Israeli politics as well.


Uhm No.

Within the "treating diverse groups of people as a single entity", Jewish people are predominantly Democrats.
   580. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5727184)
558

I don't think you know what "innuendo" means


It's an Italian enema.



Ridere forte. Questo è eccellente.



Grazie! Non so tu parla Italiano.
   581. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5727186)
The metaphor "blind squirrel" isn't quite right, I think. I don't mean the tenor, I mean the vehicle. I feed nuts to squirrels several times a day. They all seem pretty short-sighted to me. Very good sense of smell, and good hearing; you can actually catch their attention by rapping the nut on a stone. But they walk right up and never seem to have any idea what they're looking at till the last second.

Not to mention that they seem to prefer running under cars as opposed to running away from them. They've broken more deals than Trump.
   582. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5727188)
463

COPS ARE BAD


I have about 20 relatives who would fight on this one, Davos.
   583. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5727189)
Grazie! Non so tu parla Italiano.



Io non. So come usare Google Translate. Ridere forte. :-)
   584. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5727197)
   585. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:59 PM (#5727206)
536

I suppose it's shallow, but it's difficult to imagine what level of brain damage someone must have to insult a woman as stunning and accomplished as Marlee Matlin.


He probably tried to...ahem..."move on her like a #####," and she refused.
   586. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5727212)
Some tensions among Democrats - Woman Throws Stuffed Lips At Senator Jones, Heckles Him For Keeping An Open Mind On Kavanaugh:
Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.) was heckled on Monday night by a woman who threw a pair of stuffed lips at him and told him to “kiss my a--” if he votes to confirm Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, according to a local news report.

Might be a stunt to make Jones look better, or perhaps he has supporters who are always prepared to throw things at him during town hall meetings. Hard to tell these days.
   587. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5727216)
@FlyingOverTrout
Unite the Right 2 organizer, Nazi failure Jason Kessler gets yelled at by his dad for being a Nazi while livestreaming w Nazi loser Patrick Little, who admits he may have to sell the boat he's broadcasting from at a loss because he needs money.


Life gets hard when those Daily Caller severance checks run out...

   588. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:16 PM (#5727219)
This table at jewishvirtuallibrary.org suggests that the last Republican Presidential candidate to win a plurality of Jewish voters was Warren Harding (narrowly edging the aforementioned Eugene V. Debs).

The greatest erosion of support since then came in 1980, when Carter won a very slim plurality, 45-39 over Reagan, 15% going for Anderson. Others may remember better, but I think this had a little to do with Carter's sympathies for Palestinians and probably more to do with Carter simply being too far to the right, which is how Anderson got so much support generally. Reagan was popular, though, doing about as well as Eisenhower (35-40%) in both of his elections.

Despite the Iran deal intervening, Clinton seems to have about the same among Jewish voters in 2016 as Obama in 2012, and Trump a bit worse than Romney. The table at that link is based on exit polls and has Clinton with a 71-24 edge, which I think later data that I've read revises to 68-27 or 69-26. (Obama led Romney 69-30.)

Interesting, as a test of the "nobody votes for Vice President" theory, is that if you can't tell 2000 from the surrounding elections in the data. Democratic share of the Jewish vote went 78-79-76 in 1996-2000-2004.
   589. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5727223)
583

Grazie! Non so tu parla Italiano.



Io non. So come usare Google Translate. Ridere forte. :-)


Ridere forte veremente! :-)
   590. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5727224)
Might be a stunt to make Jones look better,


A breadcrumb!
   591. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5727234)
Others may remember better, but I think this had a little to do with Carter's sympathies for Palestinians and probably more to do with Carter simply being too far to the right, which is how Anderson got so much support generally.

I suspect that was an election in which many Jewish voters were motivated by the same issues as everyone else - Jimmy Carter's dismal record. High unemployment and double-digit inflation nearly doubled the Misery Index - his 1976 cudgel against Gerald Ford - on his watch, and the year-long Iran hostage debacle was also an electoral albatross. Lots of reasons to vote against Carter, and many did.
   592. GordonShumway Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5727242)
What else do you expect from history's greatest monster?
   593. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5727243)
his 1976 cudgel against Gerald Ford


I would have to google a bit, but my I believe there was another issue that may have played a role in the 1976 election... something about a crime and pardons. My memory is hazy.
   594. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5727247)

Others may remember better, but I think this had a little to do with Carter's sympathies for Palestinians and probably more to do with Carter simply being too far to the right, which is how Anderson got so much support generally.
It wasn't Carter being "too far to the right" in some generic sense; he was obviously less conservative than Reagan. It had to do with Carter being a southern evangelical Christian -- not a group that Jews traditionally in the U.S. had much affinity for. Carter was one of the more overtly religious presidents we've had.
   595. Stormy JE Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5727249)
JE would admit it, but only in private, and only after frisking everyone in the room for hidden recording devices. He's got his career to think of.
Other folks here know i've called him a clown or clownfish countless times, but in fairness you haven't been the sharpest knife in the drawer of late.
   596. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:52 PM (#5727253)
It had to do with Carter being a southern evangelical Christian -- not a group that Jews traditionally in the U.S. had much affinity for


Perhaps for some this was a factor, but Carter had won Jewish voters by 71-29 over Ford in 1976.

Clapper is correct that Carter messed up on nearly every front. Reagan gained some support (relative to Ford) among Jews, as he did among most demographics, but he still lost the Jewish vote 60-39 overall. Quite a few Jewish voters went for Kennedy in the primaries and Anderson in the general, as leftward alternatives.
   597. Stormy JE Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5727254)
Are you seriously bragging that a guy who certainly snuck up on precisely no one with his Nazism this time around -- he's spent the last year and half running against the Jewish cabal media - got 6K votes in a district where the total GOP turnout was 60K (and there was a competitive primary on the D side)?

Really?

Even Breitbart had to uncomfortably "never mind" on him... and he still got 10% in a GOP primary.

You should clown yourself some more with your crybaby antisemite schtick - obviously it's a sincere thing.

So, congrats... I mean - your party has two avowed Nazis on the ballot for Congress this fall and at least one more that is at least Nazi-curious. But - you kept a 4th at 10%!
You can't stop embarrassing yourself. Anyone with a hint of name recognition and a little hard work can muster 10 percent of a primary vote. Meanwhile, your party is sending to Congress a bigot and nominated her predecessor to be its attorney general candidate.

And now it's "crybaby antisemite schtick?" Check the FBI hate crime statistics again, genius.
   598. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5727259)
Anyone Nazi with a hint of name recognition and a little hard work can muster 10 percent of a GOP primary vote.
   599. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5727260)
Other folks here know i've called him a clown or clownfish countless times


But that's just professional courtesy - you mean it as a compliment.
   600. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5727261)
You can't stop embarrassing yourself. Anyone with a hint of name recognition and a little hard work can muster 10 percent of a primary vote. Meanwhile, your party is sending to Congress a bigot and nominated her predecessor to be its attorney general candidate.


Where "bigot" means "Israel".

You'll pardon me if I distinguish between real, actual "Hitler was right!!!" Nazis and your silly flavor "Israel above all else!" antisemites.

But - good luck with the rest of your Nazis.

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