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OTP 2018 August 20: Sick of divisive summertime politics? Baseball’s thrills offer an escape

First, things starting with the letter “L” come to mind when thinking about this summer.
“The Summer of Lying?” Nah, let’s keep this positive.

It seems like certain politicians and college coaches have been competing in a never-ending race to the bottom of the dishonesty cesspool.
“The Summer of LeBron?” Maybe. But no, LeBron James doesn’t need any more attention.

But his decision to build a new public school for at-risk kids in his hometown of Akron, Ohio, and cover all student costs should be commended by everyone, including the U.S. Secretary of Education and her boss.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

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   2001. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 07:47 AM (#5734072)
Maybe you have forgotten all the guilty pleas, indictments, and convictions?

Not a single one of them collusion related.


Non responsive and dumb. People thought GOP President Trump and his merry band of convicts and convict wannbees should be investigated for good reasons, just like I and others said. One indication of that is there have been a regular bushel full of guilty pleas, convictions and indictments.

That is kind of an indication that maybe the investigation was launched in good faith at legitimate targets.

And by the way you said Benghazi was silly, credit to you, however my claim - which you stupidly called a "lie" was not that you failed to call any investigation against Democrats bogus but rather than this newly minted excuse of yours about the partisan composition of the investigation is total crap. And it is, having never before been deployed by you before and likely never will be deployed again.

But go ahead pretend your response was in the slightest an actual response. We both know it wasn't, that's enough for me.
   2002. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 27, 2018 at 08:09 AM (#5734079)

Dershowitz said that “it would be great” to have Democrats in charge on Capitol Hill so that they can conduct investigations into Trump’s actions. If such a happy event occurs, I wonder how long certain people and certain networks will be eagerly quoting Dershowitz.

Dershowitz may be a publicity hound, but I'm not sure he wants to go down in history as Trump's Rabbi Korff, however imprecise an analogy that might be.** If the Democrats do take over the House and the Mueller investigation seems to be getting closer and closer to the crotch of the matter, I wonder how long it'd take Trump to start referring to Dershy as a "rat".

** At this point JE would actually be closer to Rabbi Korff in terms of loyalty, with Giuliani in the James St. Clair role as the last lawyer standing. The role that has yet to be fulfilled is that of Howard Baker, but then Howard Baker himself wasn't "Howard Baker" until relatively late in the game.
   2003. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 08:35 AM (#5734089)
I submitted a new thread, so watch for it.
   2004. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2018 at 08:51 AM (#5734097)
You watch for it.
   2005. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 09:15 AM (#5734107)
As for Ray’s comment about “salivating,” when there was a story about it having been confirmed, I posted it, with appropriate disclaimers about the need for skepticism.


You’ve been Mae Brussells on Russia collusion.
   2006. Greg K Posted: August 27, 2018 at 09:18 AM (#5734110)
Mae Brussell, Rabbi Korff...looking up these references has been just as educational as the Slow Burn podcast!
   2007. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5734114)
You watch for it.


Someone woke up on the wrong side of the thread this Monday morning. :)
   2008. DavidFoss Posted: August 27, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5734115)
You’ve been Mae Brussells on Russia collusion.

Even if there actually was collusion, I doubt we woudl get clear irrefutable evidence of a quid pro quo agreement. It's not the type of thing that people spell out in writing. That's the Turley argument that Ray keeps repeating and it actually makes sense.

That said, it's amazing how much legal jeopardy the Trump team has gotten himself into despite controlling both the executive and legislative branches. He's surrounded himself with loyalists and seems to be going down anyways.
   2009. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5734129)
Pence was not elected president; Trump was. Removing the duly elected president overturns the result of the election. By definition. This isn't complicated.
This is a silly argument. While it's true that Pence *was* elected Vice President, history shows that few voters choose a President based on his/her running mate. (And yes, that includes 2008.)
   2010. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5734135)
That said, it's amazing how much legal jeopardy the Trump team has gotten himself into despite controlling both the executive and legislative branches. He's surrounded himself with loyalists and seems to be going down anyways.
With a near-90 percent approval among the GOP, it's a pretty good bet Trump's going nowhere. Maybe stop listening to Wittes' cannon fire?
   2011. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5734138)
Meanwhile, Trump's decision to restore the flag above the White House to full-mast this morning, while technically proper, was a pretty damn classless thing to do -- even by his standards.
   2012. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5734140)
With a near-90 percent approval among the GOP, it's a pretty good bet Trump's going nowhere. Maybe stop listening to Wittes' cannon fire?


Too bad the size of the GOP is consistently shrinking.
Fewer Republicans.

So Trump's ownership of an ever-smaller GOP means OF COURSE his approval among that ever-smaller number will go up.

Hell, I'm rooting for him to hit 100%....
   2013. McCoy Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:47 AM (#5734142)
So him, his two sons, his daughter (wait, aren't they Democrats?) and . . .
   2014. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:47 AM (#5734143)
Meanwhile, Trump's decision to restore the flag above the White House to full-mast this morning, while technically proper, was a pretty damn classless thing to do -- even by his standards.


I just assumed he was morally obligated to do it.

Trump is just incredibly petty. Some see that as a feature. Most do not.
   2015. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5734144)
Too bad the size of the GOP is consistently shrinking.
Fewer Republicans.
And more Socialists? LOL.
   2016. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5734146)
Too bad the size of the GOP is consistently shrinking.
Fewer Republicans.


And more Socialists? LOL.


Sure, why not?

I'd have thought that 20 years of empty blamed-based sloganeering leading TO someone like Trump might sober you guys up, but nope - guys insist on another round.

As Ben Judah wrote recently, a door has been opened: “Because by embracing everything about Donald Trump, [the Right] has embraced the idea that something is terribly wrong with America, and that the country needs big, beautiful solutions for terrible, awful problems. When the Right becomes populist, embraces deficits, dunks on free trade, and rails against elites, it suddenly becomes a lot tougher for it to ridicule a populist Left that is credibly offering more.”


As the Fox news polling noted last week -- 'Obamacare', which is pretty damn weak sauce 'socialism' is 11 points more popular than the Trumpian capitalist tax bill. That's really something.

But - don't let me stop you from pounding nails in your own coffin.
   2017. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5734150)
As the Fox news polling noted last week -- 'Obamacare', which is pretty damn weak sauce 'socialism' is more 11 points more popular than the Trumpian capitalist tax bill. That's really something.

But - don't let me stop you from pounding nails in your own coffin.
Then run on that, sparky. Let's see how many EVs you get in 2020 swallowing the ideology.
   2018. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5734152)
@WhiteHouse
For 34 days, investigators searched for 20-year-old Mollie Tibbetts. Yesterday, an illegal alien, now charged with first-degree murder, led police to the cornfield where her body was found.

The Tibbetts family has been permanently separated. They are not alone.

I did Nazi this coming.
   2019. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5734153)
Then run on that, sparky. Let's see how many EVs you get in 2020 swallowing the ideology.


Why wait until 2020?

It's already happening in 2018.
   2020. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5734156)
As Ben Judah wrote recently, a door has been opened: “Because by embracing everything about Donald Trump, [the Right] has embraced the idea that something is terribly wrong with America, and that the country needs big, beautiful solutions for terrible, awful problems. When the Right becomes populist, embraces deficits, dunks on free trade, and rails against elites, it suddenly becomes a lot tougher for it to ridicule a populist Left that is credibly offering more.”


To be completely fair, this kinda cuts 2 ways.

If this philosophy is to be embraced by OTP Team Not-Trump, then OTP Team Not-Trump no longer gets to ridicule Ray for his, "But someone called Trump 'Hitler' once" stance.
   2021. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5734159)
To be completely fair, this cuts 2 ways.

If this philosophy is to be embraced by OTP Team Not-Trump, then OTP Team Not-Trump no longer gets to ridicule Ray for his, "But someone called Trump 'Hitler' once" stance.


Nah - not really...

The opposing "problem-solution" equations are not the same... Remember that Trump's "solution" was/is him. Full-stop. It's not any specific policy prescription - it's him alone and his big beautiful brain.

To be fair - there's a cult of personality searching for a home on the left, too - but thus far, I don't think there have really been (m)any Democrats all that eager to give it a home. I mean, lots of AOC fans get occasionally creepy - but she, herself, doesn't seem to have embraced any sort of Trumpian "I alone can fix it". The Bernie Bros seem clearly to want Bernie to be that guy, but he's steered clear of embracing himself as The One Great Man.

Even though I have questions, concerns, disagreements, and in a few cases - outright opposition - so long as even the left flank of the Democrats actually running for office are pushing stuff like medicare for all, living wage floors, minimum wage increases, etc rather than "And I alone can fix it!" - they'll be fine.
   2022. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5734162)
The opposing "problem-solution" equations are not the same... Remember that Trump's "solution" was/is him. Full-stop. It's not any specific policy prescription - it's him alone and his big beautiful brain.


Isn't it always?

EDIT: and I was only talking about the microcosm-electorate that is BBTF-OTP.
   2023. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5734169)
It's already happening in 2018.
I'm old enough to remember when geniuses here claimed that landslide victories in midterm elections were the norm.
   2024. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5734170)
Again, see you in 2020. Keep thinking "generic Democrat" in lieu of Kamala, Bernie, and Liz.
   2025. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5734172)
EDIT: and I was only talking about the microcosm-electorate that is BBTF-OTP.


Fair enough... but as the Trump era has shown, there is no bridge that certain Trumpkinian OTPers won't cross in their eternal struggle against The Left™/Modern Liberals™/Socialists™/etc™.

At a certain point, one stops worrying about what "they'll" say because one recognizes what they'll say before they say it, no matter the issue, candidate/official, or situation.
   2026. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5734173)
I'm old enough to remember when geniuses here claimed that landslide victories in midterm elections were the norm.


And I remember when Obama's bad midterms were the nation repudiating him and his policies.
   2027. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5734177)
I'm old enough to remember when geniuses here claimed that landslide victories in midterm elections were the norm.


Yes.

Your usual whattabout Bill leaves nobody with any doubt concerning your age.
   2028. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5734178)
There's no requirement to suspend historical judgment after somebody dies. It is simply polite not to talk #### in the immediate days after someone dies. You can always just not comment.

Ooh, can we start applying this rule towards the black men who get killed by cops?
   2029. perros Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5734179)
C'mon, you sic a special prosecutor on anybody, particularly anybody rich and powerful, dirt will be uncovered; and if not, here comes the obstruction of justice charge.

I'm good with Trump, his family and his cronies going down, but all the convicts would be going along their merry thievin' ways if an outsider candidate as brash and adverserial as Trump hadn't shockingly seized the reins of power and commenced to threaten an invested status quo.

If shoes were on other feet, it's been shown time and again you'd be arguing the other way.

Don't think so? Let's make a deal every future POTUS comes with her own personal inquisitor. I'd be 100 percent behind that modest proposal.
   2030. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5734181)
No, he cannot.

This has been another edition of easy answers to stupid questions.

BTW - since we're all dating ourselves, I'm old enough to remember when Obama 'snubbing' Thatcher was the greatest outrage ever!
   2031. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5734182)
And I remember when Obama's bad midterms were the nation repudiating him and his policies.
Indeed, but my point was that Trump will be just fine in 2020 if Democrats vying for the nomination try pushing the Overton Window so far as to embrace socialism.
   2032. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5734184)
Indeed, but my point was that Trump will be just fine in 2020 if Democrats vying for the nomination try pushing the Overton Window so far as to embrace socialism.


So you're saying that his thanks to Pence for the pardon will come in the form of a primary challenge?

That should be fun.
   2033. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5734185)
Exclusive: U.S., Mexico reach NAFTA deal; talks with Canada to start immediately:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States and Mexico reached a deal on Monday to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and talks with Canada were expected to begin immediately in the hopes of reaching a final agreement by Friday, a senior U.S. trade official said.
   2034. perros Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:55 AM (#5734187)
try pushing the Overton Window so far as to embrace socialism.


I'm fine with defenestrating capitalists.
   2035. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5734189)
Kelli Ward tweets that political correctness is "cancer."

Oof.
   2036. perros Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:59 AM (#5734191)
lots of AOC fans get occasionally creepy - but she, herself, doesn't seem to have embraced any sort of Trumpian "I alone can fix it". The Bernie Bros seem clearly to want Bernie to be that guy, but he's steered clear of embracing himself as The One Great Man.


You don't appear to understand the concept of democratic socialism.

Also, let's pretend Obama worship isn't a thing.
   2037. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5734193)

You don't appear to understand the concept of democratic socialism.

Also, let's pretend Obama worhip isn't a thing.


I think I understand it fine - I would say that some of its supposed acolytes struggle with it... I would also say that conservatives especially, under Trump, centrists, etc also seem to have their struggles.

And as for Obama - sure... and I would say the same thing about Obama that I just said about AOC or Sanders.... so I'm not entirely sure what your beef is.

   2038. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5734202)
Guys, if JE and Tucker Carlson and Alan Dershowitz and Anders Breivik all agree that the Democrats need to move to the center if they want to win elections, maybe we should listen? They’re being really generous with these tips, just out of the goodness of their hearts.
   2039. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:34 PM (#5734210)
Davis also reiterated that Cohen had never been in Prague, too, contradicting a central assertion of the Steele dossier.

That’s only a central assertion in that it’s one of the few things that can be relatively easily checked. (Which by the same token makes it odd that it would be made up.) It’s certainly not central as a question of fact; it’s not the case that if Cohen didn’t meet Russians in Prague then there’s no collusion. (Or if he met them in Rome or Vienna, or in July rather than in August.). That’s the nature of intelligence-gathering. Not everything people tell you is true. And Steele didn’t represent that it was; he said, “Here’s the raw intel I received.”

Steele contended that Cohen went to Prague to meet with Kremlin officials as part of a conspiracy to pay hackers to get dirt on Hillary. Getting one of the few readily checkable things wrong suggests that the whole dossier is suspect, especially when it is not a matter of getting the supposed date wrong by a day, or not noting the supposed location was a Prague suburb rather than the city proper, or getting someone's title wrong. Crediting Steele & Simpson for good faith reporting of actual "intelligence" seems increasingly misplaced. We know Simpson is perfectly willing to smear folks for money, he did it in his anti-Magnitsky Act activities.
   2040. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5734211)
Also, let's pretend Obama worhip isn't a thing.

I think I understand it fine - I would say that some of its supposed acolytes struggle with it... I would also say that conservatives especially, under Trump, centrists, etc also seem to have their struggles.

Whatever worship there was/is about Obama centered almost exclusively on his character, intelligence and curiosity, and as a perceived symbol of American diversity and opportunity taken to its highest level. Little wonder that the world at large had/has an overwhelmingly favorable impression of him. Little wonder that John McCain requested him as one of his memorial service speakers.

Whatever worship there is of Trump centers almost exclusively on the identity of his perceived enemies, among them Muslims, immigrants and other Others. He's One of Us and not One of Them, full stop. Little wonder that the world at large holds him in contempt and ridicule. Little wonder that John McCain saw right through him from start to finish.
   2041. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM (#5734213)
2025

Fair enough... but as the Trump era has shown, there is no bridge that certain Trumpkinian OTPers won't cross in their eternal struggle against The Left™/Modern Liberals™/Socialists™/etc™.

At a certain point, one stops worrying about what "they'll" say because one recognizes what they'll say before they say it, no matter the issue, candidate/official, or situation.


Oh, yeah. Clockwork Trumpkins.
   2042. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5734215)
2035

Kelli Ward tweets that political correctness is "cancer."

Oof


Of, FFS! This one can't get out of her own way.
   2043. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5734217)
2040

Also, let's pretend Obama worhip isn't a thing.

I think I understand it fine - I would say that some of its supposed acolytes struggle with it... I would also say that conservatives especially, under Trump, centrists, etc also seem to have their struggles.

Whatever worship there was/is about Obama centered almost exclusively on his character, intelligence and curiosity, and as a perceived symbol of American diversity and opportunity taken to its highest level. Little wonder that the world at large had/has an overwhelmingly favorable impression of him. Little wonder that John McCain requested him as one of his memorial service speakers.

Whatever worship there is of Trump centers almost exclusively on the identity of his perceived enemies, among them Muslims, immigrants and other Others. He's One of Us and not One of Them, full stop. Little wonder that the world at large holds him in contempt and ridicule. Little wonder that John McCain saw right through him from start to finish.


This.
   2044. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5734221)
That’s only a central assertion in that it’s one of the few things that can be relatively easily checked. (Which by the same token makes it odd that it would be made up.) It’s certainly not central as a question of fact; it’s not the case that if Cohen didn’t meet Russians in Prague then there’s no collusion. (Or if he met them in Rome or Vienna, or in July rather than in August.). That’s the nature of intelligence-gathering. Not everything people tell you is true. And Steele didn’t represent that it was; he said, “Here’s the raw intel I received.”

Steele contended that Cohen went to Prague to meet with Kremlin officials as part of a conspiracy to pay hackers to get dirt on Hillary. Getting one of the few readily checkable things wrong suggests that the whole dossier is suspect, especially when it is not a matter of getting the supposed date wrong by a day, or not noting the supposed location was a Prague suburb rather than the city proper, or getting someone's title wrong. Crediting Steele & Simpson for good faith reporting of actual "intelligence" seems increasingly misplaced. We know Simpson is perfectly willing to smear folks for money, he did it in his anti-Magnitsky Act activities.

At this point, Clapper, it's probable the dossier is full of ####. As for why it would be odd for it to be made up? Maybe because one of Brennan's guys using FISA/702 raw data found a "Michael Cohen" in Prague and passed it along to Steele, not realizing that seemingly every other American Jewish male is named "Michael Cohen."

EDIT:
Not everything people tell you is true. And Steele didn’t represent that it was; he said, “Here’s the raw intel I received.”
And yet Steele violated the terms of his agreement with the FBI to brief the media in the days before the election. Why? Because he viewed the info as mere "raw intel?" Hmmm.
   2045. zenbitz Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5734223)
Cheer leaded by Democrats (and you).


Uhhh... like so what? Like is this so hard? Cheer leading things that are bad... like separating families of asylum seekers, or droning people with collateral damage is bad. Cheer leading things like investigating corrupt government officials is good. Yeah, we kinda of ####### about the investigations of HRC (Bengazi!) because we thought it was a nothing burger (and it *mostly* was)... so it would be legit to protest investigation of the Trump campaign if you thought it was clean. But that would be ... hard to defend at this juncture.

Protesting political investigations because "if they look hard enough they will find something" is... well defensible if the something is trivial.
   2046. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:16 PM (#5734227)
Kelli Ward tweets that political correctness is "cancer."
It's just the latest classless remark from a Senate candidate who realizes her chances of victory are slipping away. Sad!
   2047. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5734229)
So have we learned anything new about the identity of the latest mass shooter? I assume that since Trump hasn't mentioned him, he must have been some white guy who was born here.
   2048. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5734230)
I assume that since Trump hasn't mentioned him, he must have been some white guy who was born here.
He's a little busy, thinking and praying about the family of John McCain.
   2049. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5734232)
Indeed, but my point was that Trump will be just fine in 2020 if Democrats vying for the nomination try pushing the Overton Window so far as to embrace socialism.


So far some of us have come. Once #NeverTrump into part of the 2020 Committee to Re-elect. Interesting.

In any event Trump's re-election in 2020 will be much more about Trump and his baggage and also factors like the economy, foreign affairs and such, as it is for most incumbent Presidents. But your concern about Democratic messaging is appreciated as the "genuine" display of concern it is.
   2050. zenbitz Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5734235)
Ah. So you do think the two senators are lying.


Well... were their lips moving? Are YOU (of all people) now claiming that Senators are trustworthy?
   2051. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5734236)
So have we learned anything new about the identity of the latest mass shooter? I assume that since Trump hasn't mentioned him, he must have been some white guy who was born here.
IIRC, a white male tried to assassinate Scalise and several other GOP Members of Congress. What did that tell you?
   2052. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5734238)
Exclusive: U.S., Mexico reach NAFTA deal; talks with Canada to start immediately:

Stocks are up on the news, NASDAQ breaks 8,000, Dow Jones up more than 250 points. The Mexican peso is also higher today, while the Canadian dollar fell, suggesting that getting a new deal should be in the interests of our neighbors to the north, as well as the U.S.
   2053. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5734239)
So have we learned anything new about the identity of the latest mass shooter?

I know if we’d deported him to Madagascar then those Americans would still be alive today.
   2054. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5734241)
So far some of us have come. Once #NeverTrump into part of the 2020 Committee to Re-elect. Interesting.


Dr. Orangelove.

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love QAnon.
   2055. Lassus Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5734244)
IIRC, a white male tried to assassinate Scalise and several other GOP Members of Congress. What did that tell you?

That hating guns means you hate America?
   2056. perros Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5734249)
And as for Obama - sure... and I would say the same thing about Obama that I just said about AOC or Sanders.... so I'm not entirely sure what your beef is.


My beef is the attack on denmocratic socialists and their supporters as soon as they become a legitimate political players, which will necessarily include a popular cult of sorts.

Ya know -- DEMOCRATS.

There's a contempt for ordinary people expressed here daily by so-called centrists who want to leave the fundanentally unjust status quo intact, the one where straight white cisgendered men LIKE US call the shots.

I admit it's an easy trap to fall into when you start giving legitimacy to the arguments of bpartisan McCain worshippers like Jason and Andy and the like.

Pretty ####### sick of that ####.
   2057. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5734250)
I think the only way the GOP can survive the Trump presidency is if they move very far to the left on economic—essentially, if they champion socialism before the Democrats do. It’s their best shot at securing a majority: the working class will flock to them (and it won’t cost them any support with the Culture War voters.)

Anything else is suicide.
   2058. DavidFoss Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5734251)
The Mexican peso is also higher today, while the Canadian dollar fell, suggesting that getting a new deal should be in the interests of our neighbors to the north, as well as the U.S.

People always get these things backwards. Lower currency leads to higher export/import balance, not the other way around.

Not that I expect that the fluctuations are that large or will be noticeable a couple of months from now...
   2059. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5734253)
People always get these things backwards. Lower currency leads to higher export/import balance, not the other way around.

Good news for Venezuela, eh?
   2060. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5734255)
The Mexican peso is also higher today, while the Canadian dollar fell, suggesting that getting a new deal should be in the interests of our neighbors to the north, as well as the U.S.


Depending on what you want, either strong or weak currency can be desired. If the dollar is strong that means US tourists around the world get more bang for their buck and it also means US consumers get more foreign goods for their US currency. That is what a strong dollar is, a single dollar "buys" more units of foreign currency. So if you are buying foreign goods - either here or there - you want a strong dollar.

So the strong dollar is best then? Well, not if you are trying to sell other people your US goods. If I am an exporter, from the US to another county, and the US dollar becomes "stronger" that just means my goods got more expensive for people in that other country to buy. For a long time people complained about China artificially devalued their currency, making their goods cheaper to the US (and other nations) and making US and other nations goods more expensive in China.

If you are a moron, like Trump, and think the US must run a trade surplus with other nations (or we are losers) then you want one monetary policy, but in reality there are pluses and minuses for any given monetary exchange float.

And it should be noted that it is the Fed ad long run economic factors that generally determine the long run trajectory of how strong or weak a currency is relative to another one and not typically announced trade deals.
   2061. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5734256)
Good news for Venezuela, eh?


Don't be stupid on purpose.
   2062. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5734259)
So have we learned anything new about the identity of the latest mass shooter? I assume that since Trump hasn't mentioned him, he must have been some white guy who was born here.

IIRC, a white male tried to assassinate Scalise and several other GOP Members of Congress. What did that tell you?


That our gun laws aren't nearly tight enough. Doesn't matter whether either the Scalise shooter or this latest shooter was a white guy or a black guy or whatever. Does his identity really matter to you, or does that only apply if he was a refugee or an illegal immigrants?
   2063. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5734260)
There's a contempt for ordinary people expressed here daily by so-called centrists who want to leave the fundanentally unjust status quo intact


I have no desire for the status quo, per se. (The status quo today is technically Trump, and I'd rather see blood in the streets than another second of that ######'s pig face.) I'm fine with real leftist programs in America. But the ordinary people are still ####### idiots.
   2064. DavidFoss Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5734261)
Good news for Venezuela, eh?

If you are just looking at the currency, then it would be good for Venezuelan exports and trade. It's gotta be cheap for tourists to visit there as well.

But Venezuela has crippling *domestic* inflation and lots of safety concerns that would scare away tourists. Does Canada have those issues?

Trump complained that China was a currency manipulator and were cheating to keep their currency low making their exports more competitive in American markets. But what are you trying to say about Canada? Probably nothing -- sound-bite explanations of one-day fluctuations are usually meaningless anyhow. We already know you love Trump. :-)
   2065. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5734263)
So far some of us have come. Once #NeverTrump into part of the 2020 Committee to Re-elect. Interesting.
Not quite, Cul-de-Sac-er.
   2066. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5734265)
Don't be stupid on purpose.
Sometimes that's like saying "don't breathe". :)
   2067. DavidFoss Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5734268)
Not quite, Cul-de-Sac-er.

Oooh... nicknames. How about "Mansion-dwelling MAGA-head"? Love the tax cuts and the re-filling of the swamp but would be scared to death to attend a Trump rally.
   2068. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5734269)
If you are just looking at the currency, then it would be good for Venezuelan exports and trade.


Venezuela's only export of significance is oil, which is denominated in dollars, so their weak currency does not help them there. Meanwhile, Venezuela has to import much of its food and dry goods, and their worthless currency does not allow them to do that.

   2069. BDC Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5734272)
lots of safety concerns that would scare away tourists. Does Canada have those issues?


Bears. Moose. Wolves. Blizzards. Avalanches. Poutine. Anne Murray. Geez, man, have you been to Canada?
   2070. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5734273)
More importantly, Mouse, did you submit a new thread this morning?
   2071. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:23 PM (#5734276)
With the hearing on Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination next week, time for a judicial nominations update:
Current & future vacancies: 179
Supreme Court: 1
Courts of Appeals: 18
District/Specialty Courts: 160

Pending nominees: 89
Supreme Court: 1
Courts of Appeals: 8
District/Specialty Courts: 80

Nominees Awaiting Floor Votes: 45
Courts of Appeals: 1
District/Specialty Courts: 44

The Senate Judiciary Committee votes on 12 more judicial nominees on Thursday, mostly a package deal of New York judges that have the support of the home state Senators. Other than Kavanaugh, I suspect that is the last group that will have time to get a floor vote before the midterm election. That would leave 1 Supreme Court, 3 Court of Appeals, & 54 District Court nominees to be confirmed. Pretty sure the appellate judges will make it, but getting all the District Court nominees probably requires the typical end-of-session agreement that Democrats have been unwilling to give Trump. Expect McConnell to threaten to keep the Senate in session longer to confirm District Court judges, and Dems eventually assenting to confirming most of the pending nominations so they can hit the campaign trail.
   2072. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5734281)
Jason Beale:
Still not clear on the Lanny Davis/Michael Cohen story. @CNN was first to report it, citing "sources with knowledge" and "people who have discussed the matter with Cohen." They report that they contacted Lanny Davis, who declined comment.
I've updated this tweet to include WaPo's admission that Lanny Davis was their sole source, along with stealth edits to their original reporting and the repeated lie within both (original and edited) the Davis "declined comment."
Legitimate question for any journalist who cares to take it - Is it standard practice to protect an anonymous source by claiming in the story that, "(Anonymous Source) declined to comment..."?
┐(ツ)┌ ┐(ツ)┌ ┐(ツ)┌
   2073. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5734283)
Depending on what you want, either strong or weak currency can be desired.

True, but there is a difference between government policies designed to achieve either of those goals, and a currency falling because of the judgment of the marketplace or the actions of other governments. Canada isn't trying to make its dollar worth less.
   2074. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5734284)
2050

Well... were their lips moving? Are YOU (of all people) now claiming that Senators are trustworthy?


One of the few who was just died.
   2075. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5734287)
2069

Bears. Moose. Wolves. Blizzards. Avalanches. Poutine. Anne Murray. Geez, man, have you been to Canada?


You forgot Gordon Lightfoot and Mike Myers.
   2076. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:54 PM (#5734288)
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/27/seth-frotman-cfpb-resignation-student-loans-758036


The top official overseeing student loans at the CFPB resigned on Monday over Trump administration policies that he said were harming students and families.

Seth Frotman, the student loan ombudsman at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, said in a letter to acting Director Mick Mulvaney that political leadership at the consumer bureau over the past 10 months had repeatedly undermined efforts by career employees to take action against abuses by student loan companies and for-profit colleges.

“It is clear that current leadership of the Bureau has abandoned its duty to fairly and robustly enforce the law,” Frotman wrote in the letter, which was obtained by POLITICO. “The Bureau’s new political leadership has repeatedly undercut and undermined career CFPB staff working to secure relief for consumers.”

Mulvaney’s political appointees at the CFPB have “silenced warnings” from career staff about how the Trump administration’s policies would harm students and service members, Frotman wrote.

He said, for instance, that the bureau’s senior leadership “blocked attempts to alert the Department of Education to the far-reaching harm borrowers will face due to the Department’s unprecedented and illegal attempts to preempt state consumer laws and shield student loan companies from accountability for widespread abuses.”

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos earlier this year issued guidance that said states lacked the authority to regulate and investigate companies collecting federal student loans. The Justice Department has weighed in with similar arguments in several court cases involving student loan companies.

Frotman also said that CFPB leaders late last year had “suppressed the publication of a report prepared by bureau staff” that showed evidence that the nation’s largest banks were “ripping off students on campuses across the country by saddling them with legally dubious account fees.”

   2077. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:57 PM (#5734289)
Bears. Moose. Wolves. Blizzards. Avalanches. Poutine. Anne Murray. Geez, man, have you been to Canada?

You forgot Gordon Lightfoot and Mike Myers.


Nickelback & its fan(s?) weep.
   2078. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5734291)
Nickelback & its fan(s?) weep.


yeah, but they're balanced out by Barenaked Ladies.
   2079. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5734292)
True, but there is a difference between government policies designed to achieve either of those goals, and a currency falling because of the judgment of the marketplace or the actions of other governments. Canada isn't trying to make its dollar worth less.


What Foss said. Mexican peso now down too, more than the Canadian dollar.
   2080. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:01 PM (#5734293)
yeah, but they're balanced out by Barenaked Ladies.


and Cowboy Junkies.
   2081. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:02 PM (#5734294)
And Neil Young.
   2082. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5734297)
And Mike Crudale?
   2083. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5734298)
I always forget Neil is a Canuck.
   2084. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5734299)
2070. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5734273)

More importantly, Mouse, did you submit a new thread this morning?



2003. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 08:35 AM (#5734089)

I submitted a new thread, so watch for it.


I can only submit threads, what happens then is beyond my control.
   2085. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:13 PM (#5734301)
“In a contest as long as difficult as this campaign has been, his success alone commands my respect for his ability and perseverance.”

— Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), telling supporters to stop booing Barack Obama during his 2008 concession speech.
   2086. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5734308)
“In a contest as long as difficult as this campaign has been, his success alone commands my respect for his ability and perseverance.”

— Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), telling supporters to stop booing Barack Obama during his 2008 concession speech.
Alas, some of your lefty pals see things a wee bit differently...

Hold the Plaudits, John McCain’s 2008 Campaign Paved the Way for Donald Trump:
Yet, astonishingly, all of this has been whitewashed from McCain’s political record. None of it makes an appearance in the raft of unctuous obituaries that have been published since Saturday. Instead, a single moment from that campaign — in which a woman at a town hall accused Obama of being “an Arab” and McCain replied by saying, “No ma’am, he’s a decent family man” — has become the only thing anyone seems to remember from it. Over the past couple of days, the clip of that exchange has gone viral on Twitter, with everyone from former Bush administration official Fran Townsend to liberal author Stephen King, citing it as proof of the late senator’s “character and integrity” and his “finest moment.”

Sorry, what? I have never understood how this was a badge of honor for McCain — nor do many Arab-Americans, for that matter. Actor Ben Affleck summed up the problem on Real Time With Bill Maher, a few days after the incident. “What if someone said, ‘I heard he’s a Jew.’ ‘No, no, he’s not a Jew, he’s alright…he’s a decent guy’?” Affleck asked the audience. “‘Arab’ and ‘good person’ are not antithetical to one another… We’ve allowed this idea where denying… that Obama is not an Arab, nor is he a Muslim, we’ve allowed that denial to turn into the acceptance of both of those things as a legitimate slur.”

In 2008, McCain could have pushed back against this slur, expressed by the increasingly Trumpish GOP rank-and-file, that there was something wrong with being Arab or Muslim; after all, his fellow Republican and Vietnam veteran Colin Powell did so rather eloquently on television around the same time. But, no, McCain, whether wittingly or unwittingly, allowed a distinction to be drawn between being an Arab and being a decent family man. Some suggest he should be given the benefit of the doubt on that remark because it was a spur-of-the-moment, off-the-cuff response to a rambling and racist questioner; his intent, they say, was noble.

Maybe. But context matters. How do you explain the rest of his shoddy election campaign? Shamefully, he ran for president while repeatedly claiming his black opponent was a friend of terrorists. Embarrassingly, he chose to give the nativist Palin a national platform she didn’t deserve. Disgracefully, he stayed silent as his own supporters called for the killing and beheading of Obama.

So the reality is this: if you were drawing up a list of Americans who share blame for the rise of Donald Trump, John McCain’s name would have to be somewhere near the top of it. With the noxious Palin at his side, the Arizona senator ran a nasty, bigoted and desperate presidential campaign in 2008 that paved the way for Trump and Trumpism in 2016.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
   2087. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5734309)
I submitted a new thread, so watch for it.


one of the reasons I never both submitting news items anymore is that there appears to be no rhyme or reason to the approval process.
   2088. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5734314)
   2089. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:31 PM (#5734316)
Jason, should I start posting some GAB accounts?
   2090. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5734318)
What the hell is "The Intercept?"

   2091. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5734319)
What the hell is "The Intercept?"


A UK based publication run by Glenn Greenwald that's policy positions are so far left they often align with far right talking points, most notably on wikileaks and its relation to the FSB.
   2092. perros Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5734320)

I have no desire for the status quo, per se. (The status quo today is technically Trump, and I'd rather see blood in the streets than another second of that ######'s pig face.) I'm fine with real leftist programs in America. But the ordinary people are still ####### idiots.


I well understand your bomb throwing, but your relish punching down feeds the conceit we're a collection of geniuses here. Nobody -- no Americans -- want to question their exceptionalism to the rule.
   2093. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5734321)
Jason, should I start posting some GAB accounts?
Who do you think voted for her? Probably not more than a half-dozen Joe Crowley supporters would have uttered that ####.
   2094. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5734322)
2088- Seattle councilwoman Kshama Sawant had the McCain tweet we wanted from AOC:

@cmkshama
A politician's legacy is a political not personal question. An enthusiastic supporter of every imperialist war while in office, John McCain shares responsibility for hundreds of thousands of deaths. To whitewash that is to disrespect those who died in Iraq, Afghanistan, elsewhere
   2095. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5734323)
2003. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 08:35 AM (#5734089)

I submitted a new thread, so watch for it.
Awesome. Thanks.
   2096. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5734324)
Alas, some of your lefty pals see things a wee bit differently:


If you want to compare sides I will happily agree there are fine people on both sides. One side has more than its fair share of criminals, Nazis, and White Supremacists.

Besides on my side we are OK with different people having different opinions. You could disagree with President Obama on some things without being a pariah. Sadly that is not the case in the Modern Trumpkin GOP.
   2097. BDC Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5734325)
Wasn't Joe Crowley the guy who threw a no-hitter while giving up ten walks?
   2098. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5734327)
Alas, some of your lefty pals see things a wee bit differently:

Hold the Plaudits, John McCain’s 2008 Campaign Paved the Way for Donald Trump:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Jason, in all seriousness - if the bulk of "substance" you can offer these days is chortling with glee about something that is actually quite (legitimately) sad, for both sides and everyone in between... I'm trying to parse this, are you laughing at stupid dems for not criticizing a dead GOP properly? Is that meaningful for you?

I would have happily voted McCain in 2000; by 2008 he was a ghost of his former self. I will agree that the sellout job he performed to get the '08 nomination was a step along the path to Trump. Partial credit for his attempts since the Trump Ascendancy to try and restore some form of normalcy and bipartisanship; something along the lines of his trip to Vietnam with John Kerry in the 90s is unthinkable today.

2-5 odds Trump says something (else) completely awkward and embarrassing about McCain very, very soon. Too much spotlight on a foe for Big Orange's liking. Maybe he'll declare war on Iran between the eulogies.
   2099. Stormy JE Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5734328)
When you've even lost JK Rowling:
(JTA) — J.K. Rowling went head to head with a fellow British writer on Twitter over his criticism of Jewish complaints about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party.

Simon Maginn, who has written five thrillers under his own name and satirical comedies under the name Simon Nolan, on Sunday in a tweet called Jewish outrage over Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s 2013 comments indicating that “Zionists” do not understand British culture “patently synthetic outrage,” and called on a Jewish tweeter to “Explain your deep and wounding sense of injury.”

Rowling, who is not Jewish, tweeted in response: “How dare you tell a Jew that their outrage is ‘patently synthetic’? How dare you demand that they lay bare their pain and fear on demand, for your personal evaluation? What other minority would you speak to this way?”

Maginn then called on Rowling to explain, noting that Corbyn has said that his comments did not refer to Jews but was “a rather complicated joke about the Palestinian Ambassador’s fluency in English.”

The opening salvos set up a back and forth that lasted throughout Sunday. Rowling tweeted several quotes from Jean-Paul Sartre’s “Anti-Semite and Jew” — a famous essay on anti-Semitism by the philosopher — and lambasted him for demanding that a British Jew explain how he feels under anti-Semitic attack “when there are literally hundreds of accounts currently online explaining how British Jews currently feel?”
   2100. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 27, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5734329)
2088- Seattle councilwoman Kshama Sawant had the McCain tweet we wanted from AOC:


She isn't going to be on the council much longer. She'll be gone next year almost certainly.
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