Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Tuesday, August 28, 2018

OTP 2018 August 27: Pitching politics

George Washington was known to throw a ball—for hours, reported one soldier under his command—with his aide-de-camp during the Revolutionary War. Abraham Lincoln would join baseball games on the lawn of Blair House, which still stands across Pennsylvania Avenue from the White House. “I remember how vividly he ran, how long were his strides, how far his coattails stuck out behind,” the home’s owner, Francis Preston Blair, recalled in a letter to his grandson.

The story of baseball in the United States is intertwined with that of the presidency, says Curt Smith, a senior lecturer in English and the author of The Presidents and the Pastime: The History of Baseball and the White House (University of Nebraska Press, 2018). He traces the points of connection from the colonial era to the present, devoting a chapter to each president since William Howard Taft, who in 1910 inaugurated the practice of the president throwing out a ceremonial first pitch.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 28, 2018 at 07:27 AM | 1644 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: off topic, politics

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 4 of 17 pages ‹ First  < 2 3 4 5 6 >  Last ›
   301. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5735413)
Don't care if I die.
   302. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5735415)
   303. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5735416)
Nice.

DeSantis To Floridians: Don’t ‘Monkey This Up’ By Voting For Andrew Gillum


Oy...


EDIT

FTA:

“It’s disgusting that Ron DeSantis is launching his general election campaign with racist dog whistles,” the Florida Democratic Party chairwoman, Terrie Rizzo, said in a statement soon after the Fox News appearance.


Dog whistle? That's a friggin' foghorn!
   304. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5735417)
Double post
   305. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5735418)
without looking, I am going to guess DeSantis is the Republican, and Gillum is Democrat and is of sub-Saharan African descent?
   306. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5735419)
Interesting snippet from that Fukuyama interview, Morty, and I'm glad you included a link to the full article. I particularly like his responses to the 2nd, 3rd and 5th questions.

Liberal democracy can deliver peace and prosperity, but what happens if peace and prosperity aren’t enough?
It’s a question Fukuyama returns to in a new book, Identity: The Demand for Dignity and the Politics of Resentment (Farrar, Straus and Giroux). The answer, he suggests, is all around us: A global surge of identity politics, which has in turn fueled populist nationalism, authoritarianism, religious conflict, and democratic decline. "Demand for recognition of one’s identity is a master concept that unifies much of what is going on in world politics today," he writes.

Q. Let’s start where you start Identity: Donald Trump. The book is a response to his election. He also made an appearance in The End of History and the Last Man.
A. One of the arguments I made in The End of History was that it’s good to have a democracy linked to a market economy because it acts as a sponge for the ambitious energies of people who could otherwise become Julius Caesar or Adolf Hitler. That’s the context in which I mention Donald Trump. Our political system has to absorb such people and render them safe. At that time, it looked like our system was doing that. He could be a real-estate developer or, later, an entertainer. That wasn’t enough for him, and he went into politics. Now we’ve got a real problem. Our constitutional system was designed to prevent the rise of fantastically ambitious individuals, to limit them through a system of checks and balances. That’s the test we’re up against right now.

A lot of these recognition struggles flow out of the social movements that began to emerge in the 1960s involving African-Americans, women, the LGBT community, Native Americans, and the disabled. These groups found a home on the left, triggering a reaction on the right. They say: What about us? Aren’t we deserving of recognition? Haven’t the elites ignored us, downplayed our struggles? That’s the basis of today’s populism.

Q. In the book, you quote a leader of Stanford’s Black Student Union in the late ’80s arguing that the university’s Western-civ curriculum "hurts people mentally and emotionally in ways that are not even recognized."
A. Instead of saying we want to read authors that are outside the canon because they’re important educationally and historically and culturally, the way it’s framed by that student leader is that the exclusion of those authors hurts people’s self-esteem: Because my people are not equally represented, I feel less good about myself. That is part of the motive that drives administrators and professors to expand the curriculum, to fulfill an understandably therapeutic mission. But I think it can get in the way of universities’ fulfilling their educational missions. What makes students feel good about themselves is not necessarily what’s most useful to their education

Q. You have an unusual background for a political scientist. You majored in classics at Cornell, then did graduate work in comparative literature at Yale, where you studied with Paul de Man. Later you spent time in Paris sitting in on classes with Roland Barthes and Jacques Derrida. Any memories from this journey through deconstruction?
A. I decided it was total bullshit. They were espousing a kind of Nietzschean relativism that said there is no truth, there is no argument that’s superior to any other argument. Yet most of them were committed to a basically Marxist agenda. That seemed completely contradictory. If you really are a moral relativist, there is no reason why you shouldn’t affirm National Socialism or the racial superiority of Europeans, because nothing is more true than anything else. I thought it was a bankrupt way of proceeding and decided to shift gears and go into political science.


Q. You went through a public falling-out with your fellow neoconservatives over the Iraq war. What was it like to break ranks?
A. It felt like a liberation. Two things made me no longer a conservative. One was the Iraq war; the other was the financial crisis in 2008. Both came out of conservative ideas that I had supported, and both were complete disasters. That led me to a more fundamental rethinking of a lot of things.

Q. A majority of Republicans and right-leaning independents now think higher education has a negative effect on the country. Is higher ed to blame for this perception problem?
A. When faced with the sort of threats to free speech that trigger conservative reactions, a lot of professors and administrators tend not to be outspoken. And they ought to be. I admire the president of the University of Chicago [Robert Zimmer], who has been out front on these issues. We need more presidents like him. They should say they’re not going along with any of this nonsense. We’re a university, we’re dedicated to the free debate of ideas, so that’s what we’re going to do.
   307. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5735420)
Props to Fukuyama for giving a thoughtful answer to a pretty dumb question. "Is higher education to blame for anti-intellectualism?" Please.


I like Frank. We're close. I call him Frank. I have bookmarked the link to read in full. But yes. This is an idiotic question.
   308. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5735422)
DeSantis To Floridians: Don’t ‘Monkey This Up’ By Voting For Andrew Gillum


Oy...


Hey, if Trump has taught us anything, it's that race baiting works. I think Hillary's basket wasn't large enough.
   309. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5735423)
In a review I did of a book on (I think; we're talking something like 35 years ago) Andrew Jackson for my U.S. historiography class at Arizona State, I asserted that the author pretty much portrayed Van Buren as Jackson's familiar. The prof (who was Jewish & so far to the right he made JE look like Trotsky), alas, didn't recognize the term. *sigh*


Heh - the author certainly got it right... Van Buren was Jackson's doppelganger on policy - hand-picked and ultimately lauded and supported by Jackson as his hair apparent.

Of course - Van Buren became Van Ruin based on those mutual aims... The inevitable bottom fell out of Jackon's economic policies - popular when enacted - virtually right after Van Buren was inaugurated.
   310. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5735424)
without looking, I am going to guess DeSantis is the Republican, and Gillum is Democrat and is of sub-Saharan African descent?


It's amazing that you were able to guess those facts based solely on this fake news and liberal snowflake whining about "racism." Ask anyone who isn't deranged and they'll tell you that there's no such thing as 'dog whistles' and nothing about the Republican base is in any way racist. Claiming they are is the real racism. Just ask Ray.
   311. DavidFoss Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5735425)
Trump tweets that McGahn is leaving in the fall.
   312. Cleveland (need new name) fan Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5735427)
Well, the material was released by the Postal Service, where she had been employed, in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. If she thinks the Postal Service erred, she can sue them, but I don't see any report that she plans to do so



It seems very unlikely that the Postal Service would release a security clearance application through a FOIA request. It clearly falls under exemption 6 and possibly exemptions 2 and 7(c) since the story said that she submitted it for a USPS security job.

Specifically:

Exemption 2: Information related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of an agency.
Exemption 6: Information that, if disclosed, would invade another individual's personal privacy.
Exemption 7: Information compiled for law enforcement purposes if one of the following harms would occur. Law enforcement information is exempt if it:
7(C). Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy

Government agencies have internal policies and case law for the common FOIA exemptions that apply to them. Given that exemption 6 applies to all agencies, they should have policy that tells them what personnel information is not subject to FOIA requests. A security clearance application seems to fit easily in that policy.


   313. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5735428)
without looking, I am going to guess DeSantis is the Republican, and Gillum is Democrat and is of sub-Saharan African descent?


You're a good guesser!

Now guess who DeSantis' biggest DC patron is...
   314. Shredder Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5735429)
DeSantis To Floridians: Don’t ‘Monkey This Up’ By Voting For Andrew Gillum
It's OK though, because in the same interview, he said the nice young black man was "articulate".
   315. BDC Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5735431)
Instead of saying we want to read authors that are outside the canon because they’re important educationally and historically and culturally, the way it’s framed by that student leader is that the exclusion of those authors hurts people’s self-esteem: Because my people are not equally represented, I feel less good about myself


I teach Western-Civ-type courses, and I'm quite open about it: I teach them because that's all I know. This semester it's Irish literature, which I've picked up quite a bit about over the decades. I don't start by telling students "We are reading white, Western, Christian, and (largely) Anglophone authors because the dusky races have produced nothing worth knowing." I try to say "Well, here's something you can study with me, and I can help you understand it; and it may be a pattern for learning about all kinds of different cultures" – Ireland having been an intra-European test run for worldwide Western colonization and cultural imperialism.

I don't think that teaching the canon is hurtful. I do think one can teach the canon hurtfully.
   316. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5735433)
DeSantis just doesn't want Floridians to monkey it up by voting for Gillum!

He's worried a Gillum administration would blacken Florida's future!

You don't want Florida to become a ghetto, do you?

This would lead to dark days for Floridians.

Once you go black...
   317. manchestermets Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5735434)
@juanbuis
i'm in san francisco, the city where I can't use the restroom as it requires me to sign up for an app with a US phone number


This is the shittiest dystopia ever.


It's not clear from the tweet which bathroom @juanbis is trying to use, but if it's one in a restaurant or similar establishment in which one is a paying customer, then I say go ahead and p1ss on the floor.
   318. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5735436)
DeSantis is just calling a spade a spade.
   319. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5735437)
DeSantis is just aping Trump.
   320. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5735439)
@StephenKing
John McCain: American hero.
Donld Trump: American zero.

OMG HE DID NOT JUST SAY THAT!!!!!!
   321. manchestermets Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:17 AM (#5735441)
@imillhiser: 1) So, I have a story about Ron DeSantis, who Republicans just nominated as their gubernatorial candidate in Florida. Spoiler Alert: He is not a sane man.



Trump endorsed this guy, you say? Who'd have guessed?
   322. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5735447)
Walt Disney World Union Workers Win Deal for $15 Minimum Wage

The Service Trades Council Union (STCU) and Disney announced the deal to raise wages to $15 an hour by 2021 on Saturday, according to CNN. The two have been in talks to increase pay for nearly a year, when the STCU asked for $15 an hour in August 2017, WKMG reported. At the time, Disney countered with $10.25.

A deal was reached by both parties late Friday night and will be voted on by union members on Sept. 5.

Resort workers will also get $1,000 cash bonuses that they were promised in January of this year.

In March, union workers held a protest in the streets outside their workplace to demand their promised bonuses. After the company voted to increase wages by just 50 cents, which the union turned down, Disney also withheld the bonuses.

As contract negotiations continued, the unions did not make any major concessions. “Disney is a powerful company, they’re a formidable foe,” Clinton said. “To stand up to your boss that’s that big and that powerful is really remarkable, and it’s really inspiring.”

Solidarity forever, solidarity forever
Solidarity forever
For the Union makes us strong
   323. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5735449)
I think I've figured it out. Davo is either a friend of mine of long acquaintance in the Nashville area or he's my untrammeled id. Could be both, I suppose.
   324. manchestermets Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5735451)
   325. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5735452)
To clarify, the “Clinton” in that story is Eric Clinton, president of Unite Here Local 362.

Not Bill or Hillary, whose first date was literally doing scab labor to break a strike.
   326. Spahn Insane Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5735453)
Stark contrast from the predictions in the 2016 OTP election night thread.

Good thing for the GOP nothing else has happened that might sow distrust in Trump and the GOP Congress since then.
   327. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5735455)
Some folks have taken potshots at Brett Kavanaugh for his work with the Office of Independent Counsel, but it shouldn't be any real problem. Since it came before his nomination to the DC Circuit, it was already considered during his confirmation for that position, and just about everyone gave him high marks, as now demonstrated by Bob Bennett, Bill Clinton's personal lawyer at the time, strongly endorsing Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
   328. Morty Causa Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5735460)
315

At some point, education has to represent a culture's, a central culture's, worldview, a prime directive. It's like what someone once said about evolution: nothing in biology makes sense without it. And, in fact, identity politics itself is myopic. It is self-defeating and grievously contradictory up and down, right and left. Basing education on the supervention of identity me-too-centeredness leaves the ship rudderless. It goes nowhere. What's the point besides a very limited one? It's an exercise in swallowing your tail.
   329. Chicago Joe Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5735462)
If he was a professor at U of C, it would be Paul Da Man.*
   330. Nasty Nate Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5735465)
This talk about Capone reminds me of this short story by Jack Handey about Al Capone and Al Einstein
   331. Chicago Joe Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5735467)
I don't think that teaching the canon is hurtful. I do think one can teach the canon hurtfully.


I think an argument against teaching the canon is that canon-worthy works were never written/published because of White Male power. So not even Josh Gibson, but some guy who could really stroke it who never had an opportunity beyond Sunday ball (or something like that).


I don’t particularly agree with that argument, but can certainly understand the reasoning.
   332. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5735470)
I think an argument against teaching the canon is that canon-worthy works were never written/published because of White Male power. So not even Josh Gibson, but some guy who could really stroke it who never had an opportunity beyond Sunday ball (or something like that).

I don’t particularly agree with that argument, but can certainly understand the reasoning.


You can imagineer all sorts of situations that can't be verified or disproved. Not really an effective or useful way of actually designing coursework.
   333. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5735471)
And, in fact, identity politics itself is myopic.

It depends on how you're defining it. One can strongly identify with one's own culture**, race or nationality without getting into cartoon versions of "identity politics", which by this time has come to represent little more than a political epithet that often gets applied to even the most benign of proposals, like wanting to register more black or Latino voters.

** Which in turn is another word that needs to be more precisely defined. African Americans have been here since 1619. Do they qualify for inclusion in Western Culture? What about the family of Khizr Khan?
   334. Chicago Joe Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5735473)
You can imagineer all sorts of situations that can't be verified or disproved. Not really an effective or useful way of actually designing coursework.


Right, but in Literature, you have a lot more leeway even in what “effective” means, ISTM.
   335. Chicago Joe Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5735474)
. Do they qualify for inclusion in Western Culture?


This seems like the sort of question which will be pointless in a generation or two.
   336. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5735475)
I think an argument against teaching the canon is that canon-worthy works were never written/published because of White Male power. So not even Josh Gibson, but some guy who could really stroke it who never had an opportunity beyond Sunday ball (or something like that).

I don’t particularly agree with that argument, but can certainly understand the reasoning.


That's more of an argument for expanding the definition of the canon than it is for not teaching it.
   337. BDC Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5735476)
education has to represent a culture's, a central culture's, worldview, a prime directive


What if you believe your culture's prime directive to be "nothing human is alien to me?"
   338. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5735480)
Do they qualify for inclusion in Western Culture?

This seems like the sort of question which will be pointless in a generation or two.


I'd like to think it'd become pointless because we'd reached an agreement that Western Culture is an ever expanding concept, and not just a hand-me-down from ancient Greece and Rome. And maybe a few generations after that, the Chinese and the Japanese and the Indians will also see the limitations of ethnocentricity, if the smog hasn't choked us all first.
   339. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5735481)
Bernie Sanders plans to introduce legislation next month to give large employers like Amazon and Walmart the choice to either pay workers a higher wage or to pay taxes equal to the total cost of food stamps, public housing, Medicaid and other federal assistance programs their workers use.

The proposal aims to raise taxes from large corporations equal to the amount that the company’s low-wage employees use in federal benefit programs each year. If an Amazon employee uses $100 in food stamps, Amazon would be taxed $100.
   340. Morty Causa Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5735482)
What if you believe your culture's prime directive to be "nothing human is alien to me?"

That, without a sense of priority, leads to your culture's extinction.
   341. BDC Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5735483)
an argument against teaching the canon is that canon-worthy works were never written/published because of White Male power


"Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest," as Thomas Gray said (in a highly canonical poem :) of the peasants in the country churchyard, somebody who could have been a great poet but lacked money and education. Of course if you go by that argument, you wouldn't teach any literature. Or as Andy notes, greatly expand your definition. Cary Nelson argued that way in a book called Repression and Recovery, about 30 years ago: that literary history should not consist of a few classics winnowed out, but of all kinds of compositions by working-class people who lacked money and education, but struggled to get stuff down on paper that meant something to them. It's an intriguing project but one I admit I could never get myself attuned to it.
   342. Chicago Joe Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:34 PM (#5735484)
the Chinese and the Japanese and the Indians will also see the limitations of ethnocentricity, if the smog hasn't choked us all first.


Certainly the societies you mention have adopted large swaths of Western culture already. I don’t think the process slowing down...
   343. Morty Causa Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5735487)
336

That's more of an argument for expanding the definition of the canon than it is for not teaching it.

Ah, yes, the homeopathic view of approaching one's culture and it's evolving. Dilute it until it has been neutered and has no effect or point.
   344. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5735488)
the Chinese and the Japanese and the Indians will also see the limitations of ethnocentricity, if the smog hasn't choked us all first.

Certainly the societies you mention have adopted large swaths of Western culture already. I don’t think the process slowing down...


Just to clarify that last sentence in #338, I was referring to the strong nationalist and anti-western strains of thought in those three countries. Of course there's been enormous western influence in all of them, and I didn't mean to minimize it.
   345. Spahn Insane Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5735489)
EDIT: And we won't have Alan Grayson to kick around anymore. I enjoyed kicking Alan Grayson around.

Most Democrats do also, which is why he's no longer around for you to kick.
   346. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5735490)
Morty is still bitter that Jole Blon wasn't adopted as the National Anthem.
   347. Chicago Joe Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5735491)
That, without a sense of priority, leads to your culture's extinction.



Might help avoid human extinction, though.
   348. BDC Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5735492)
What if you believe your culture's prime directive to be "nothing human is alien to me?"

That, without a sense of priority, leads to your culture's extinction.


Though (as you know) I was quoting a Latin playwright (Terence) who wrote well over 2,000 years ago. I guess the fall of Rome about 600 years after Terence wrote that line is a point in your favor. But the fact that it's still around to quote suggests that universal ideals don't easily go extinct.
   349. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5735493)
That's more of an argument for expanding the definition of the canon than it is for not teaching it.

Ah, yes, the homeopathic view of approaching one's culture and it's evolving. Dilute it until it has been neutered and has no effect or point.


Just so I can fully get what you're getting at, are you saying that American culture has been diluted by the presence of African Americans?
   350. DavidFoss Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5735495)
That, without a sense of priority, leads to your culture's extinction.

These things are all fluid. We just heard that the Swedes stole their famous meatballs from the Turks this year. Swedes love cardamom and coffee as well. Chocolate is indigenous to Mexico, not Belgium or Switzerland. Italians got noodles from the Chinese and tomatoes from Mexico. Almost every generation of "Western" classical music falls in love with Turkish music. The list is endless. Cultures have always been integrating.

The only trouble I see with the world getting bigger is that there isn't enough time to learn it all. That was true before, but it's almost stressful to think about now.
   351. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5735496)
which solution results in more people reading edith wharton and Annn kavan. that’s whose side I’m on
   352. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5735498)
change the name and not the letter ############
   353. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5735499)
Don't get me started on Józef Korzeniowski!
   354. zenbitz Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5735500)
I don't really know much about College Education - specifically humanities - , despite working at a University for 13 years. But it seems to me - that one of the theoretical strengths of the university system is that students ought to be able to study what they want to. To make make their own judgements on what is canon-worthy. Like, why is there even a canon?

Maybe this is a higher level approach - first you have to give a grounding in the basics or something. Although that brings me back to objections on why they start with 19th century Chemistry for 2 years... or why they force you to take math apart from physics....

I suppose it's just because you can't discuss a book with your Professor that the Prof hasn't actually read? But probably if you had small enough classes you there is some arrangement to be worked out where you read 4 old white dead dudes and 4 books of your choosing... I guess if you have even 20 students the TAs/Prof can't read 80 "extra" books a semester... so you would have to break into blocks and agree on some set of books to read.
   355. Morty Causa Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5735501)
Morty is still bitter that Jole Blon wasn't adopted as the National Anthem.

I'll bend a knee to that. Oh, wait, no, I won't. It's the opposite. Er, well...oh, never mind.
   356. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5735502)
Bernie Sanders plans to introduce legislation next month to give large employers like Amazon and Walmart the choice to either pay workers a higher wage or to pay taxes equal to the total cost of food stamps, public housing, Medicaid and other federal assistance programs their workers use.

The proposal aims to raise taxes from large corporations equal to the amount that the company’s low-wage employees use in federal benefit programs each year. If an Amazon employee uses $100 in food stamps, Amazon would be taxed $100.


Aside from the fact that it will never pass, I don't see how it helps workers. If Amazon pays this hypothetical worker $100 more, that likely doesn't remove him entirely from the food stamp rolls. So they pay him $100, and gov't something less than $100, but likely not $0. I suspect in most if not all cases, the company is better off financially to pay the tax. Which is a sort of a benefit to taxpayers, but doesn't do squat for the employee.
   357. zenbitz Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5735503)
Culture is yogurt. Or if you are a west-coast hipster, Kombucha. ######## about the dilution of culture might be worse than ######## about how people use words "incorrectly", irregardless of context.
   358. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:49 PM (#5735504)
it’s an intermediate step before we guillotine Bezos and take our money back
   359. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5735505)
Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest," as Thomas Gray said (in a highly canonical poem :)


Note to self: Figure out the reference intended by Fred Pohl's (&, nearly 2 decades posthumously, C.M. Kornbluth's) short story "Mute Inglorious Tam."
   360. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5735510)
356- it’s like, you know how when you get really sick, and the doctor gives you some pills to help, but those pills have awful side effects, so you have to take new pills to treat the side effects, but those new pills have new side effects too so you need to get a third set of pills to treat those side effects, and then those have new side effects too etc etc etc

that’s what trying to regulate capitalism is like.
   361. Morty Causa Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5735511)
I suppose the two views have at least a somewhat symbiotic relationship. What's the overriding culture of a culture isn't something calcified. It's more like a living thing, and it can be nurtured from the outside. And that would include identity politics. But, is that how those who promote identity politics view their role? I don't get the sense that that's how it is. But, then, it's more like toddlers who delight it just destroying without any thinking about what they are going to do when all the toys are gone.
   362. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:03 PM (#5735512)
The limb is gangrenous and we just gotta hack it off or its poison will spread through our whole body.
   363. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:03 PM (#5735513)
330

This talk about Capone reminds me of this short story by Jack Handey about Al Capone and Al Einstein


Uncle Morty (to Swann): "So, tell me, Al -"

Benjie (cutting him off): "Uncle Morty, it's 'Alan.' Capone or Jolson show up, then it's 'Al.'"

Uncle Morty (excited): "Jolson's coming...?"


My Favorite Year -- 1982
   364. Chicago Joe Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5735514)
You mean the fist you beat the #### out of me with? The hand you covered my mouth with?
   365. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5735515)

These things are all fluid. We just heard that the Swedes stole their famous meatballs from the Turks this year. Swedes love cardamom and coffee as well. Chocolate is indigenous to Mexico, not Belgium or Switzerland. Italians got noodles from the Chinese and tomatoes from Mexico. Almost every generation of "Western" classical music falls in love with Turkish music. The list is endless. Cultures have always been integrating.


And even when they don't they still change. Morty's argument (such as it is) rests upon the unstated assumption that "culture" is a thing that has somehow reached its homeostatic peak, until adulterated by some foreign influence.

Of course put in print like that it is obvious that assumption is ridiculous - which is why it goes unstated. All culture is dynamic, unless I suppose it is dead. Like a shark culture keeps swimming.
   366. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5735516)
Maybe this is a higher level approach - first you have to give a grounding in the basics or something. Although that brings me back to objections on why they start with 19th century Chemistry for 2 years...


I have an undergraduate degree in chemistry, how can you do any practical organic or physical chemistry without the basics of stoichiometry and reaction kinetics? I mean I hated general chemistry because it's a grind but I couldn't have gotten through organic or biochem, both of which I loved, without it.

Physical chemistry was still a grind even with it, but that subject matter, like inorganic chemistry, is pretty much designed to inflict maximum misery.
   367. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5735517)
Except for the fact that Trump oddly ran most of the GOP primary praising Putin, much to the shock of the other 16 GOP Candidates... that the Trump campaign drew all sorts of Russian apologists and "helpers" - Manafort and Page just to name two we knew about in the summer of 2016.... AND - as has now been confirmed by everyone BUT Trump (well, beyond misplaced 'would's when he's doing his Reek act next to his Ramsey Bolton) - that Russia was heavily trolling social media in favor of Trump, while it was ALSO hacking his opponent/opposing party, things Trump encouraged publicly.

That's without even getting into things we've learned SINCE 2016 -- "I LOVE IT!", Roger Stone's back channels with well-known Russian funnels for hacked info, odd timing around certain Trump stratements (including the "big news" speech about Hillary that got cancelled which just happened to occur around I LOVE IT).
Yes, Trump's pro-Russia comments were indeed quite alarming and some of the folks around him had loopy views as well. That doesn't give agents of the federal government carte blanche to illicitly launch counterintelligence/criminal investigations in response.

And how often must it be repeated that, while there were actual communists inside the USG, Hollywood, and other institutions in the 40s and early 50s, there's a reason why McCarthyism is viewed as one of America's ugliest periods of the 20th century?
   368. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5735518)
The Bernie Bill would help settle the dispute: What do capitalists hate more—Labor or Taxes?
   369. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5735519)
Yes, Trump's pro-Russia comments were indeed quite alarming and some of the folks around him had loopy views as well.


BUT JUANABOUT

McCarthyism is viewed as one of America's ugliest periods of the 20th century?
   370. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5735520)
356- it’s like, you know how when you get really sick, and the doctor gives you some pills to help, but those pills have awful side effects, so you have to take new pills to treat the side effects, but those new pills have new side effects too so you need to get a third set of pills to treat those side effects, and then those have new side effects too etc etc etc

that’s what trying to regulate capitalism is like.


Sorry dude, but the universe is complex and it takes work. You don't get to install some perfect system and then do nothing. Every economic system here in the real world is going to be dynamic, ever changing, and going to require constant adjustments - regulation changes if you will.

Stating there is a constant need for changes and that unintended consequences exist is fine, but pretending that this is unique to capitalism is dumb. Any complex system trying to deal with an every changing world is going to have to adjust constantly to that change.

TL, DR: Grow up dude.
   371. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5735521)
   372. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5735522)
I think he got spooked.
   373. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5735523)
In today's economic news, U.S. Workers Report Highest Job Satisfaction Since 2005:
Just more than half of U.S. workers—51%—said they were satisfied with their jobs in 2017, the highest level since 2005, according to a new report from The Conference Board, a business-research group. Over the past seven years, Americans report feeling better about their pay along with a greater sense of job security, both features of an economy with a low unemployment rate and a long decline in layoffs. In July, jobless claims continued an extended post-recession slide and hit their lowest level in nearly 50 years.

Not the same as being high while on the job, in case anyone was confused.
   374. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5735526)
Yes, Trump's pro-Russia comments were indeed quite alarming and some of the folks around him had loopy views as well. That doesn't give agents of the federal government carte blanche to illicitly launch counterintelligence/criminal investigations in response.


Is this a claim that the Mueller investigation and the various other investigations are illicit? Since this all was launched from the Trump DOJ and numerous Trump[ administration officials have signed off on the Mueller investigation and many in Congress have also verbally suggested the investigation is perfectly licit and also warned Trump against taking actions to stop the Mueller investigation ... it sounds like you are indicting much of the Trump administration and many Republicans in Congress with essentially complicity in this "illicit" investigation.

But then again I suspect you are just making stuff up again and will make some nonresponsive attack against me rather than clarify or justify your remarks.
   375. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5735529)
In today's economic news, U.S. Workers Report Highest Job Satisfaction Since 2005:


Eerily the same as the same report from last year -

Almost 51% of American workers were satisfied with their jobs in 2016, according to new survey results from business research group The Conference Board. That’s a slight uptick from the 49.6% satisfaction rate found by a Conference Board survey for 2015, and the highest satisfaction rate since 2005.


In case anyone was confused.
   376. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5735530)
In today's economic news, U.S. Workers Report Highest Job Satisfaction Since 2005:


It really is the best of all possible worlds, and far better than I could have hoped. I thought I would have to choose between a healthy economy (a good thing) and people hating Trump and the GOP (also a good thing). But no, Trump is so very odious and he an the rest of the GOP are so openly corrupt and Nazi-noxious that I get to have both a great economy and a potential blue wave for the mid-terms.

It is like Christmas come early!

EDIT: Sadly I suspect eventually the economy will tank, but while that is bad people will hate Trump and the corrupt GOP even more (silver lining).
   377. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5735531)
Let Merriam-Webster be your friend...

monkey around:
informal:

to do things that are not useful or serious : to waste time We just monkeyed around all afternoon. a young scientist monkeying around in the lab

You're welcome.
   378. Lassus Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5735535)
Did he say "monkey around"?
   379. zenbitz Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5735538)
without the basics of stoichiometry and reaction kinetics?


This is like 2 weeks worth of study. And I am not sure the 1/2 assed month of crippled quantum mechanics is particularly useful either.
Now, PHYSICAL Chemistry (Thermodynamics, etc. ) is practical because if you understand that and QM then you can understand chemistry at a fundamental level. Like beyond memorization.

But 90% of chemistry classes through biochem are just to torture Pre-med students.
   380. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5735539)
Eerily the same as the same report from last year

Highs in two consecutive years is even better news. Must be doing something right, eh? Might be tough to go much higher, unless more workers were allowed to post at BBTF while on the job. That seems to keep most, but not quite all, happy.
   381. zenbitz Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5735540)
@377 is from one of the guys who frothed about "Rothchilds". FWIW.

   382. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5735541)
Did he say "monkey around"?
DeSantis said "monkey this up." Before DeSantis, when had using "monkey" as a verb been viewed as a racist comment?
   383. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5735542)
It really is the best of all possible worlds, and far better than I could have hoped. I thought I would have to choose between a healthy economy (a good thing) and people hating Trump and the GOP (also a good thing). But no, Trump is so very odious and he an the rest of the GOP are so openly corrupt and Nazi-noxious that I get to have both a great economy and a potential blue wave for the mid-terms.


why do people think the economy is great? real wages are stagnant, levels of consumer debt are approaching pre 2008 crash levels, as traderdave (and his ilk) frequently note, the treasury yield curve indicates a slowdown incoming and possibly a recession. Most of the wealth created during this 10 year expansion has gone into corporate pockets and the 1%.

Furthermore, incredible white collar crime (like at Wells Fargo and Libor) goes mostly unpunished and the POTUS is deciding economic winners and losers based on Fox and Friends. The CFPB is being gutted and a top loan official just resigned in anger at Trump's "abandoning" of youth with student loan debt.

No, this is not a great economy for most people.
   384. Srul Itza Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5735543)
It's like Grisham wrote in The Firm about nailing the bad guys for mail fraud: "It's not sexy, but it has teeth..."


I think that was the movie. The Book had a very different ending.
   385. zenbitz Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5735544)
That doesn't give agents of the federal government carte blanche to illicitly launch counterintelligence/criminal investigations in response.


You mean Congress? Who authorized Mueller?
   386. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5735545)
@377 is from one of the guys who frothed about "Rothchilds". FWIW.
Don't act stupid. DeSantis is probably guilty of malapropism, saying "monkey it up" instead of "muck it up."
   387. Zonk is a Doorknob Whisperer Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5735546)
Let Merriam-Webster be your friend...


Huh... someone must have monkeyed with the page you linked to. Maybe it was some uppity Webster employee trying to sell you down the river?

Clearly, there's gotta be something in the woodpile here - but I don't want to call for the lynching of this unnamed editor just yet.

   388. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5735547)
You mean Congress? Who authorized Mueller?
I'm talking about government officials during Obama's presidency and the transition, as well as a few holdovers in the weeks after the inauguration.
   389. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5735550)
without the basics of stoichiometry and reaction kinetics?

This is like 2 weeks worth of study.


You're off your rocker. OFF. YOUR. ROCKER.
   390. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5735551)
Chris Cillizza:
Conservatives have struck out repeatedly in Arizona Senate primaries.

Hayworth loses to McCain in 2010

Ward loses to McCain in 2016

Ward and Arpaio lose to McSally in 2018
Stephen Miller (the other one):
My network propped up the crazy candidate for weeks to prove conservatives are crazy conspiracy racists

Conservatives ignore national media attention & vote for McSally

See this just proves conservatives lost.
Opposition media? What opposition media???
   391. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:37 PM (#5735552)
“Thug” just means “brutal ruffian” too.
   392. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5735554)
I'm talking about government officials during Obama's presidency and the transition, as well as a few holdovers in the weeks after the inauguration.


SO you agree the Mueller investigation is OK then? Because that is the one that matters, well that and the various associated investigations.

I just want to be clear, you are perfectly OK with the Mueller investigation, right?
   393. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5735555)
377. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5735531)
Let Merriam-Webster be your friend...

monkey around:
informal:

to do things that are not useful or serious : to waste time We just monkeyed around all afternoon. a young scientist monkeying around in the lab

You're welcome.


386. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5735545)

@377 is from one of the guys who frothed about "Rothchilds". FWIW.

Don't act stupid. DeSantis is probably guilty of malapropism, saying "monkey it up" instead of "muck it up."


From "It's a perfectly acceptable phrase to "He probably misspoke" in 10 minutes. even Trump doesn't contradict himself that quickly.

Well, not often.

Well, not all the time.
   394. DavidFoss Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5735556)
You're off your rocker. OFF. YOUR. ROCKER.

I took a full course in both stoichometry and kinetics, but I was a Chem E major. Took 2-3 courses in thermo.

stoichometry threw people for some reason. It's really just little bookkeeping puzzles, but it takes a while to click with some people.
   395. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5735559)
386- Agree. How could it be race-related when in the same interview he mentioned that Gillum was articulate?
   396. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5735560)
SO you agree the Mueller investigation is OK then? Because that is the one that matters, well that and the various associated investigations.

I just want to be clear, you are perfectly OK with the Mueller investigation, right?
No, the Mueller investigation increasingly appears predicated on a false narrative. With that being said, it's best for the country to let the probe continue on a little while longer.
   397. BDC Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5735561)
suppose it's just because you can't discuss a book with your Professor that the Prof hasn't actually read? But probably if you had small enough classes you there is some arrangement to be worked out where you read 4 old white dead dudes and 4 books of your choosing... I guess if you have even 20 students the TAs/Prof can't read 80 "extra" books a semester


I think that's a lot of it. It wasn't till I came across Pierre Bayard's How to Talk about Books You Haven't Read about 10 years ago that I realized that all discussions of literature involve talking about books that the discussers (more or less) haven't read.

The practical application is to hold some class meetings where each student goes out and reads a different book and then they discuss what the books have in common. If you've got 30 students, the professor either hasn't read them all, or remembers little of some of them.

Graduate seminars in the humanities are necessarily like that, and always has been. And a doctoral supervisor cannot have read everything her/his students are working on, and isn't supposed to (is positively supposed not to, at times). Science education must be analogous at the PhD level. A supervisor can understand the results, but s/he hasn't done the specific work in question before (or the work wouldn't merit a PhD). I guess, anyway.
   398. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5735565)
why do people think the economy is great? real wages are stagnant, levels of consumer debt are approaching pre 2008 crash levels, as traderdave (and his ilk) frequently note, the treasury yield curve indicates a slowdown incoming and possibly a recession. Most of the wealth created during this 10 year expansion has gone into corporate pockets and the 1%.


Don't be silly. We were talking about a worker survey. And yes there are some things that are legitimately good about the current economy and also parts of it that are troublesome. Pretending it is all good or all bad is dumb and reduces one's credibility.

"The Economy" is not some monolith that can be reduced down to one or even a handful of numbers. Hundreds of millions of people and trillions of dollars spread out across one of the largest nations on Earth. Overall however, netting it all together, I think the economy is good.

Could it be better? Sure. Could it be worse? Wait a bit and then you tell me, because it is going to get worse and fairly soon as these things are reckoned.
   399. Stormy JE Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5735566)
From "It's a perfectly acceptable phrase to "He probably misspoke" in 10 minutes. even Trump doesn't contradict himself that quickly.

Well, not often.

Well, not all the time.
The two are hardly contradictory. Before today, none of us had seen "monkey" as racist when used as a verb. And "muck it up" is a pretty common phrase.

But go on, continue shaking your fist...
   400. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5735567)

Uncle Morty (to Swann): "So, tell me, Al -"

Benjie (cutting him off): "Uncle Morty, it's 'Alan.' Capone or Jolson show up, then it's 'Al.'"

Uncle Morty (excited): "Jolson's coming...?"


My Favorite Year -- 1982


Did you schtup her?
Page 4 of 17 pages ‹ First  < 2 3 4 5 6 >  Last ›

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

News

All News | Prime News

Old-School Newsstand


BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
James Kannengieser
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOTP 2018 September 17: How Brett Kavanaugh explains his baseball ticket debt
(1261 - 8:06am, Sep 20)
Last: David Nieporent (now, with children)

Sox Therapy11 Days Later
(66 - 8:02am, Sep 20)
Last: Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty

NewsblogRed Sox division title banner falls off truck; its return may cost them - The Boston Globe
(23 - 7:51am, Sep 20)
Last: The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott)

NewsblogTaking Back the Ballparks - Los Angeles Dodgers
(18 - 7:32am, Sep 20)
Last: Tom T

NewsblogIt's not a tantrum, it's a cry for OMNICHATTER! for Sept. 19, 2018
(89 - 1:55am, Sep 20)
Last: Bote Man the walk-off king

NewsblogOrioles match club record with 107th loss, 5-0 to Blue Jays before tiny home crowd
(33 - 1:13am, Sep 20)
Last: Howie Menckel

Gonfalon CubsThe Final Push
(129 - 11:49pm, Sep 19)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogOT - 2018 NBA Thread (Pre-Season Edition)
(414 - 10:56pm, Sep 19)
Last: Der-K: at 10% emotional investment

NewsblogGoin' to Carolina in OMNICHATTER's mind, for September 18, 2018
(105 - 10:28pm, Sep 19)
Last: puck

NewsblogSnell wins 20th, ties Rays record in 4-0 victory over Texas
(12 - 10:18pm, Sep 19)
Last: Mike Emeigh

NewsblogWillians Astudillo Should Be Your New Favorite Player
(13 - 10:13pm, Sep 19)
Last: Srul Itza

Sox Therapy6,036 Days
(11 - 10:08pm, Sep 19)
Last: dave h

NewsblogThe Orioles became the first professional sports team to wear Braille jerseys
(49 - 10:06pm, Sep 19)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogCain stars in Directional Outs Above Average
(13 - 9:46pm, Sep 19)
Last: the Hugh Jorgan returns

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-19-2018
(41 - 8:44pm, Sep 19)
Last: AndrewJ

Page rendered in 0.6565 seconds
46 querie(s) executed