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Tuesday, August 07, 2018

OTP 2018 August 7: Book Explores Trump, Taft and Other Presidents Baseball Ties

“William Howard Taft, all 300 pounds of him, was a big act to follow in every sense of the word. Taft was an amateur baseball pitcher in the 1880s. He wanted to became a major league pitcher, but he settled instead to become President, and in fact later became the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. As Chief Justice, he scheduled his speaking engagements around the country in Major League cities, so that he could give a speech and then go out to a ballgame in the afternoon,” Smith said.

Smith explains that while two of the game’s most famous rituals are associated with our 27th commander-in-chief, he should only receive credit for one.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 07, 2018 at 08:13 AM | 1114 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   801. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:07 PM (#5724423)
Another day, and another Generic Congressional Ballot poll not noted at BBTF-OTP. One can only wonder what that means.
   802. Ray (CTL) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:17 PM (#5724429)
There is also a failure to acknowledge that the Clinton campaign received more information was Russian sources, including Russian intelligence figures.

Um, what?


I'm sure a smart guy like you can figure the typo out.

But thanks for highlighting that Turley has no problem calling Steele's sources Russian intelligence.
   803. Jay Z Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:37 PM (#5724441)
If I had to pick just one thing to focus on, it would be economic inequality.


Ideas?

Globalism was a casino where the house always wins. And you're not the house. The alternative seems to be partisanship and prejudice.

Maybe that's the way though.
   804. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:51 PM (#5724455)
I'm sure a smart guy like you can figure the typo out.


Well above and beyond the train wreck of a sentence (it is hardly just a "typo" as you generously suggest) the whole thing makes no logical sense.

"Received more information" means what exactly? And determined how? Seriously how are they measuring quantity of data (Bytes?) and how do they know exactly how much information each campaign received?

And that is just the start of the mess, well before we even get to the ridiculous "Russian sources" nonsense (stupidly conflating the Russian government versus individual Russians).

So yeah, as I said, "Um, what?"
   805. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: August 09, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5724459)
But thanks for highlighting that Turley has no problem calling Steele's sources Russian intelligence.

Damn, checkmate for all the deranged ones here! Turley said it! And someone quoted it after Rayveal bolded it. TKO feat. ICOPRO!
   806. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:17 PM (#5724469)
ICOPRO! YOU GOTTA WANT IT!
   807. BrianBrianson Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:39 PM (#5724483)
If I had to pick just one thing to focus on, it would be economic inequality.


Ideas?


Something something The Nordic Model something something. A social safety net, and a low regulation environment, enable individuals to be entrepreneurs. Make the best choices for their life - college, training, moving, whatever. Break the poverty trap, don't hold down kids whose parents can't lift 'em up.
   808. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 09, 2018 at 09:58 PM (#5724492)
@TheOnion
Rachel Maddow Claims New Audio Damning Enough To Pad Out Entire Week’s Worth Of Shows
   809. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:12 PM (#5724499)
Ayuh.

To get from here to there, you gotta take the evening Turley. She runs regular, but you missed her for the night. Used to be a later Dershowitz, but she don't run no more. On account of the tragedy. Down on Martha's Vineyard.
   810. BTL 4th Class Primate Trainee for Life! Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5724512)
Long time lurker just on to advise I was in downtown Charlottesville va today and it was very quiet almost deserted. Will be on uva campus tomorrow but will otherwise be trying to avoid any crowds
   811. Jay Z Posted: August 09, 2018 at 10:56 PM (#5724514)
Something something The Nordic Model something something. A social safety net, and a low regulation environment, enable individuals to be entrepreneurs. Make the best choices for their life - college, training, moving, whatever. Break the poverty trap, don't hold down kids whose parents can't lift 'em up.


So Globalization 2.0 then.
   812. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 09, 2018 at 11:11 PM (#5724518)
ICOPRO! YOU GOTTA WANT IT!


Bruce Prichard has mentioned a few times on his podcast that he thinks he's still got cases of that stuff somewhere, noting that it tasted terrible even for a nutritional supplement.
   813. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 06:07 AM (#5724535)
What would Bruce Pritchard know about how workout supplements taste?
   814. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 06:26 AM (#5724537)
Geez, that guy who started the massive fire in California is a ####### loon. Sovereign citizen Pizzagate Qanon Sandy Hook-Truther crackpot. There’s a link to his Facebook page at the bottom if you want to go swimming in the septic tank.
   815. . Posted: August 10, 2018 at 07:31 AM (#5724541)
well before we even get to the ridiculous "Russian sources" nonsense (stupidly conflating the Russian government versus individual Russians).


LOL.
   816. Greg K Posted: August 10, 2018 at 07:49 AM (#5724544)
Geez, that guy who started the massive fire in California is a ####### loon. Sovereign citizen Pizzagate Qanon Sandy Hook-Truther crackpot. There’s a link to his Facebook page at the bottom if you want to go swimming in the septic tank.

Hmm, he's a member of something called RuSA? How deep does this go!?
   817. perros Posted: August 10, 2018 at 07:52 AM (#5724546)

Not the worst choice. Focusing on it helps eliminate the economic effects of racism as well (mostly). It is one reason I am more a fan of class based affirmative action than race based affirmative action.


Thing is, race was used as a wedge to create policies resulting in greater inequality. More "starting point" than one thing, but even then, people tackling problems on different fronts from multiple angles according to their knowledge and experience will likely yield more success. It's hard to resist the habit of looking at these issues as disparate and to be approached from the top down. You want both ends and means to involve open, democratic process.

a full-ride undergraduate scholarship


Was it merit-based? Were you supposed to be considering economics at all? If we got rid of the economic component by public funding for all qualified students, then it'd be easier to deal with other inequities in the system.

There are problems with the diversity approach if all you are looking at is the numbers. The campus protests have largely centered on an inhospitable institutional culture once the student arrived... like maybe your attitude bleeding through with such students as undeserving in some way?

We don't live in a colorblind society. That's what I was trying to posit with a sociological view of how institutions continue to exhibit bias when its members assume they pay no attention to what the mirror says.
   818. perros Posted: August 10, 2018 at 07:55 AM (#5724548)
Every day I look in the mirror in the morning, but it's when I catch my reflection inadvertently that I see my middle-aged body rather than the younger, hotter guy I used to be. Our self-image can be widely divergent from hard reality.
   819. Greg K Posted: August 10, 2018 at 08:00 AM (#5724549)
Every day I look in the mirror in the morning, but it's when I catch my reflection inadvertently that I see my middle-aged body rather than the younger, hotter guy I used to be. Our self-image can be widely divergent from hard reality.

That's why I haven't looked in a mirror in about five years.
   820. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 10, 2018 at 08:00 AM (#5724550)
Yankee Clapper, #801:
Another day, and another Generic Congressional Ballot poll not noted at BBTF-OTP.


There were a whole bunch of other generic ballot polls that went just as unheralded over the last month or so. But those polls showed familiar results which Clapper didn't like, so he didn't happen to mention them either. Suddenly, he's woke!

Here are the Democrats' leads in the generic poll average over the past year:

August 9: 6.2%
July 9: 8.3%
June 9: 8.2%
May 9: 6.8%
April 9: 8.6%
March 9: 7.7%
February 9: 6.9%
January 9: 10.3%
December 9: 8.1%
November 9: 8.6%
October 9: 7.9%
September 9: 9.4%

Of course, these are just snapshots of the 9th days of each month, to match yesterday's date. The generic ballot number has fluctuated as high as 13% and as low as 4%. (Or as low as 3% for one day on RCP. Which coincidentally was the last time Clapper acknowledged the generic ballot, because the RCP average was back up to 6.3% five days later.)

As either chart shows, the average Democratic margin has spent the bulk of its time bopping between +6% and +8% for the entire midterm cycle.

The Dems' lead hasn't been down to 6.2% or worse since the end of June 2018. And before that, at the beginning of June. And before that, virtually the whole month of May. And before that, at various times in April, March, February and January.

But if Republican voter enthusiasm is finally starting to surge-- a genuine polling possibility that has already cruelly tantalized Clapper multiple times-- it's a shame it didn't happen in conjunction with Tuesday's primaries.
   821. perros Posted: August 10, 2018 at 08:11 AM (#5724553)
that guy who started the massive fire in California


First, there's more than one fire, and that's not the biggie. Second, the guy is mentally ill PITA well known to law enforcement and got burned out himself. I think I might wait to see more evidence before declaring him guilty
   822. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 08:45 AM (#5724565)
There are problems with the diversity approach if all you are looking at is the numbers. The campus protests have largely centered on an inhospitable institutional culture once the student arrived... like maybe your attitude bleeding through with such students as undeserving in some way?


[7].jpg]Fight the power that be.
   823. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 08:49 AM (#5724566)
First, there's more than one fire,


NOTED!

Second, the guy is mentally ill PITA well known to law enforcement and got burned out himself. I think I might wait to see more evidence before declaring him guilty


NO I DEMAND HE BE PLACED IN THE STOCKS POSTHASTE DUE PROCESS IS FOR NORMIES REEEEEEE
   824. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 10, 2018 at 09:21 AM (#5724577)
Now here's a pro-Trump protest I can get fully behind:
After Being Destroyed, Trump's Walk of Fame Star Multiplies
   825. BrianBrianson Posted: August 10, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5724584)
Every day I look in the mirror in the morning, but it's when I catch my reflection inadvertently that I see my middle-aged body rather than the younger, hotter guy I used to be. Our self-image can be widely divergent from hard reality.


Indeed, I reflexively think of myself as average height, and illusion that is regularly shattered when my head collides with chandeliers, ceilings, tree, and low-fly aircraft.
   826. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 10, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5724591)
I reflexively think of myself as average height, and illusion that is regularly shattered when my head collides with chandeliers, ceilings, tree, and low-fly aircraft.


Me too, except that my illusion is shattered by the tendency of the items on the top shelf to keep getting farther and farther away.
   827. BDC Posted: August 10, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5724592)
After Being Destroyed, Trump's Walk of Fame Star Multiplies


Excellent! But they should have little hammers and sickles in the middle.
   828. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5724596)
Indeed, I reflexively think of myself as average height, and illusion that is regularly shattered when my head collides with chandeliers, ceilings, tree, and low-fly aircraft.


This made me chuckle because of a meeting I had earlier this week. Our team is working on a project with a sponsoring group that sends their own surgeon, who quickly gained a reputation as a a real diva and a bit abusive to some of the people from my team who work with him. We were discussing how to best deal with this to ensure he doesn't undermine morale and the project leader for the study said, "He treats everyone like crap. I think the only person I've ever seen him be nice to is (YR)."

Everyone turned to look at me, and I blurted out, "Um, well, my wife says people are nicer to me than I deserve because I'm tall."

Our lead surgeon on the project, who is 5'3, loudly muttered, "Well what the #### am I supposed to do now?"
   829. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5724597)
Our lead surgeon on the project, who is 5'3, loudly muttered, "Well what the #### am I supposed to do now?"


I feel his pain.

I am older (duh), but other than a lack of hair I am pretty similar to how I looked back in the day. Still short, reasonable shape ... I have some clothes from college I can (and occasionally do) still wear.

Now the day after I can definitely tell I am getting old. I don't recover like I used to.
   830. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:06 AM (#5724598)
824

Now here's a pro-Trump protest I can get fully behind:
After Being Destroyed, Trump's Walk of Fame Star Multiplies


From TFA:

The effort comes from a conservative street artist


Somehow, this sounds like an oxymoron.

Wait!...

Darn! There goes my narrow-minded, liberal thinking again...
   831. BDC Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:18 AM (#5724607)
I'm laughing because I slammed my head on a low-hanging garage door this morning. Maybe "because" in both senses, coincidence and concussion. If it has knocked me into an early grave at least I'll die doing what I love, arguing about catcher replacement value with a bunch of people I've never met.
   832. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5724611)
Now the day after I can definitely tell I am getting old. I don't recover like I used to.


The day after what? Wearing old clothes?

arguing about catcher replacement value with a bunch of people I've never met.


Now I'm going to have to start reviewing all your posts to make sure you don't argue with any of us you HAVE met.
   833. DavidFoss Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5724613)
The day after what? Wearing old clothes?

It can be a pain if the washer/dryer is in the basement. :-)
   834. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5724620)
The day after what?


Far too much, sadly.
   835. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5724621)
Trump blows up GOP's formula for winning House races

A POLITICO analysis of the vote breakdown in Ohio's special election shows that the party's suburban problem might be even deeper than feared.

The vote breakdown in Ohio’s special election this week amplified a trend that's been building in the suburbs during the Trump era — and illustrated how the traditional Republican path to victory has been upended in key congressional districts.

Deep suburban antipathy toward President Donald Trump has turned the old GOP electoral coalition inside-out in many areas in 2017 and 2018 — like Ohio’s 12th District, which for two decades sent former Rep. Pat Tiberi to Congress on the back of his popularity in the Columbus suburbs. His anointed successor, Republican Troy Balderson, took a different path to a small special-election lead, instead building on Trump’s rural strength while Democrat Danny O'Connor cut deeply into Tiberi’s old base.


More nonsense. Believe Clapper and only selected poll results.
   836. perros Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:48 AM (#5724627)
NYT podcast pointed out non-college educated white males were only 1/3 of Trump's vote, a demographic that's shriking. White college-educated women were 14 percent, and soft.

Considering Trump's not running and what usually happens in these midterms, the question is not will the Dems take the House, but by how many seats.

What's the outlook for the Senate, Beavis?
   837. BDC Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5724629)
In the Texas Senate race, which I know y'all can't hear enough about, the most recent RCP average has Ted Cruz at 47% and Beto O'Rourke at 40%. Maybe this is the year – not that the Democrats win, or anything, but that the margin tightens to single digits.

The last time Democrats won a Texas seat in the US Senate was 1988. In the nine elections since, Republican winning margins have been between 11 and 33 points, with the average margin about 20. If Cruz should win by only seven points – on top of Clinton running closer to Trump here than Obama did to either Romney or McCain – even I might have to admit that the state is bluing a little at the edges.
   838. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5724632)
Now the day after I can definitely tell I am getting old. I don't recover like I used to.


Hell Mouse, I am still hurting from our round at Idlewild. :-)
   839. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: August 10, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5724636)
Laura does the Trumpy two-step...

It's amusing how some people think that so long you make it a sandwich -- "it's not about race, but..." on one side and "I don't agree with the avowed racists whose words I've echoed and who now cheer me for echoing them" on the other - the meat doesn't count. For reasons.
   840. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5724647)
In the Texas Senate race, which I know y'all can't hear enough about, the most recent RCP average has Ted Cruz at 47% and Beto O'Rourke at 40%. Maybe this is the year – not that the Democrats win, or anything, but that the margin tightens to single digits.


I'd need pretty damn good odds to place a bet on Beto (10-1?) - but cannot help but wonder... He's virtual fundraising ATM - he'll likely be able to outspend Cruz one on one - and he hasn't yet even gone on the air with any ads yet, so far as I can tell.

IOW - he's basically put the race at least in sight of "keep an eye on it" with strictly shoe leather and old-fashioned (and I suppose new fangled; i.e., digital) campaigning.

Add to that - the one truism of Ted Cruz is that the more you get to know him, the more unpleasant and unlikable he seems.

Strategically, it just feels like Beto is kind of forcing Cruz into direct campaigning - rather than being the detached TP ideal - and I don't think that's gonna be a good look for Cruz.

If I had a spare buck to bet on a midterm lottery ticket, I think I'd be buying one on Beto.
   841. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:17 AM (#5724650)
Cruz may also be falling victim to the Zonk curse...

Oddly, people I've voted for the last few years in competitive elections have had just awful luck. Chuy Garcia for mayor in 2015... then cast a stop Trump vote for Cruz in the 2016 primary.... then Clinton in the GE...

I'm the political cooler!
   842. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5724655)
835- speaking of blowing up, we just blew up a school bus in Yemen and killed 29 kids.
   843. BDC Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5724661)
strictly shoe leather and old-fashioned (and I suppose new fangled; i.e., digital) campaigning


Yes, both. Beto is constantly on social media, and uses text messages a lot – the latter seems kind of old-school and new-school at once, since texting has been around for a long time, but a few years ago people wouldn't have liked it because of the cost; now most people have unlimited texting and anyway don't mind a text or two from Beto.

And he's doing the "I'll travel to every county" thing. There being about 250 counties in Texas, a typical county populated by five hundred Republicans and fifty thousand cattle, it seems quixotic. But it's a local version of the old Howard Dean "50-state strategy." If you never go into the precincts you're fixing to lose, you will never build any traction to eventually win those precincts.
   844. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5724667)
I was recently talking to a friend and I said that of all the possible individual election results, the one that would make me happiest would be Cruz losing. Second would be Walker losing.

I am not holding my breath mind you, and my personal success criteria remains the same - most critical is down ballot (non-Federal state and local results), then Federal House control, and last Senate control.
   845. . Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5724669)
Trumps tweets on the NFL players’ anthem protests are an abject embarrassment.
   846. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5724670)
835- speaking of blowing up, we just blew up a school bus in Yemen and killed 29 kids.


No, the Saudis did.

With weapons we provided them, yes.

In an action completely expected after last year's carte blanche securing parade, sword dancing, and feting, yes.

But - I think it's safe to assume that you're not posting this from Riyadh, so not sure how or why you're applying "we".

   847. . Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5724674)
This very much is what Decline looks like.
   848. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5724677)
845


Trumps tweets on the NFL players’ anthem protests are an abject embarrassment.


On this, we agree.
   849. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:51 AM (#5724678)

835- speaking of blowing up, we just blew up a school bus in Yemen and killed 29 kids.
For a definition of "we" that does not actually mean "we," yes.


EDIT: Coke to Zonk.
   850. BrianBrianson Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5724681)
For a definition of "we" that does not actually mean "we," yes.


"We" could easily refer to "humans", of which the vast majority of us are.
   851. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5724683)
Kinda weird that CNN is reporting the New Brunswick shooting as on their front page (for the moment, anyway) as "in a Canadian Province". Why not just say "New Brunswick"? I mean, probably it's because most Americans would think that's the nearest bowling alley, but then why not just say "in the Canadian Maritimes" or simply "Canada"?
   852. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 10, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5724684)
I was recently talking to a friend and I said that of all the possible individual election results, the one that would make me happiest would be Cruz losing. Second would be Walker losing.

I'd rather just give them each a six shooter and start rumors that they'd called each other RINOs.

But speaking of Cruz, his defense of Alex Jones provides one of the best straight lines of the year, given how Cruz has apparently forgiven what Trump said about Cruz's father:
“As the poem goes, you know, first they came for Alex Jones. That does not end well,” Cruz said, referencing the famous Martin Niemöller poem about German cowardice in the face of ascendant Nazism.
   853. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5724688)
"Be happy, Be cool".
Trump channeling his inner Martin Weir. Cute.
   854. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5724689)
Did anyone mention this fine tweet from the other day?
The Republicans have now won 8 out of 9 House Seats, yet if you listen to the Fake News Media you would think we are being clobbered. Why can’t they play it straight, so unfair to the Republican Party and in particular, your favorite President!
I suppose this is true in the sense that Iosef is history's favorite Stalin, or Qatar is our favorite country starting with Q, but...
   855. Howie Menckel Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5724691)
Why not just say "New Brunswick"?

because Rutgers University is located there?
   856. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5724692)
Whining about how everyone is so unfair to you and your friends - classic alpha move.
   857. zenbitz Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5724693)
Deep suburban antipathy


Punk band name alert!
   858. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5724694)
Why not just say "New Brunswick"?

because Rutgers University is located there?
OK, see, you've now exposed my Left Coast hickness. That *is* a bit of a conundrum. "Canadian Maritimes" is probably the best choice, then, to narrow it down geographically as succinctly as possible.
   859. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5724695)
The Republicans have now won 8 out of 9 House Seats, yet if you listen to the Fake News Media you would think we are being clobbered. Why can’t they play it straight, so unfair to the Republican Party and in particular, your favorite President!
Counting OH-12, it would be either 6 of 7, 6 of 8, 7 of 9, or 8 of 10. Not sure how you can parse the numbers to get to 8 of 9, unless you pretend CA34 didn't happen, or ignore PA18.

of course, Scott Adams would say that this "error" is likely both intentional and strategic; he wants people to correct him "nuh uh, it's just 6 of 7", so people think "well, that's still pretty good".
   860. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5724697)
Here are the Democrats' leads in the generic poll average over the past year:

Not seeing any mention of the current RCP poll average. It's down to 5%; 2.25% in the 4 polls in August. Some volatility here, where it is early November might matter. A year ago? Not so much.
   861. perros Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5724698)
How did I miss this?

The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services is creating a new task force. Its goal: to examine what they say are bad naturalization cases, according to Director L. Francis Cissna’s June announcement.

As a result, the organization expects to hire dozens of lawyers and immigration officers in the coming weeks to find U.S. citizens they say should not have been naturalized, to revoke their citizenship, and then eventually deport them.
   862. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5724699)
851

Kinda weird that CNN is reporting the New Brunswick shooting as on their front page (for the moment, anyway) as "in a Canadian Province". Why not just say "New Brunswick"? I mean, probably it's because most Americans would think that's the nearest bowling alley, but then why not just say "in the Canadian Maritimes" or simply "Canada"?


I live in New Jersey. Rutgers University is in New Brunswick, NJ. I would immediately think it was a school shooting if it were phrased that way.

EDIT: frosty beverage to Howie.
   863. Howie Menckel Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5724700)
do I get this coke tomorrow, Charlie?
:)
   864. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5724701)
Can we just fast forward to the part where we can start curb stomping the idiots?
   865. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5724702)
do I get this coke tomorrow, Charlie?
:)


or perhaps something a bit stronger... Only "perhaps..."
   866. zenbitz Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5724703)
As a result, the organization expects to hire dozens of lawyers and immigration officers in the coming weeks to find U.S. citizens they say should not have been naturalized, to revoke their citizenship, and then eventually deport them.


Wow, I knew us Liberals shouldn't have been so mean and negative all the time!!! Thanks Obama!
   867. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5724705)
"We" could easily refer to "humans", of which the vast majority of us are.


I think this overstates the case.
   868. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5724706)
As a result, the organization expects to hire dozens of lawyers and immigration officers in the coming weeks to find U.S. citizens they say should not have been naturalized, to revoke their citizenship, and then eventually deport them.
I wonder if they'll start with those dastardly chain migration types. You know who I'm talking about.
Trump said his plan would “focus on the immediate family by limiting sponsorships to spouses and minor children.”

“This vital reform is necessary, not just for our economy, but for our security, and our future,” he said.

...

"CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil," Trump wrote on Twitter
Of course, now that the barn door has closed, he might forget about the idea because... squirrel!
   869. DavidFoss Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5724707)
Trump increasing tariffs against Turkey today (by tweet) because of currency fluctuations. I get the impression that he wants *both* a strong dollar *and* trade surpluses against everyone.
   870. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5724708)
I get the impression that he wants


He's a goddamned senile idiot who has never done an honest day's work in his life. What the #### did you guys expect would happen?
   871. . Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5724712)
Up to FOUR HUNDRED white nationalists expected at “Unite the Right 2” rally in DC this weekend to mark C’ville anniversary. I mean can you believe it?

FOUR HUNDRED!!!!!
   872. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:51 PM (#5724713)
Trump increasing tariffs against Turkey today (by tweet) because of currency fluctuations.
Well, he *says* that, but you can't take him literally or figuratively, so it's hard to say. It could be the Brunson thing, or (equally likely) yesterday's turkey tetrazzini messed up the Big Orange Colon.
   873. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 10, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5724715)
I get the impression that he wants *both* a strong dollar *and* trade surpluses against everyone.


WINNING!

   874. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5724717)
What the #### did you guys expect would happen?


Thus far it is playing out shockingly like I thought it would. Weirdly my guess about what would happen after he won is closer to reality than I thought it would be.
   875. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5724722)
Thus far it is playing out shockingly like I thought it would.
Pretty much, yeah. Meaning, an oafish trainwreck when he actually is involved in something other than reading a script. The vaunted judicial appointments are clearly one realm in which he takes advice, and the economy is still chugging along thanks to Bush's bailout in 2008 :)

ETA: Weren't a bunch of people saying "oh, he'll pivot once he's in office"? No pivot. He is exactly who he always was. Obviously the deplorables will keep voting for him, but it's likely that a percentage of those who took a flyer on the guy are going to get damaged by some of his policies (tariffs hitting agriculture, for example) and flip in 2020. And I don't see him picking up many voters.
   876. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5724727)
ETA: Weren't a bunch of people saying "oh, he'll pivot once he's in office"?

Christ, every time Trump reads two consecutive coherent sentences off his teleprompter he's said to be "acting presidential". He's got the lowest bar for allowable behavior of any living human being, and the highest bar for acknowledged scandals.
   877. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5724728)

"We" could easily refer to "humans", of which the vast majority of us are.
Ray escapes again!
   878. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:25 PM (#5724729)
As a result, the organization expects to hire dozens of lawyers and immigration officers in the coming weeks to find U.S. citizens they say should not have been naturalized, to revoke their citizenship, and then eventually deport them.

Wow, I knew us Liberals shouldn't have been so mean and negative all the time!!! Thanks Obama!


I know those poor deportees are going to be livid at you hippies for not voting Jill Stein. Jill Stein wouldn't have looked into revoking citizenship!
   879. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5724730)

ETA: Weren't a bunch of people saying "oh, he'll pivot once he's in office"?
I don't think anyone was saying that.
   880. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5724732)
ETA: Weren't a bunch of people saying "oh, he'll pivot once he's in office"?


Yes but they were all credulous idiots prone to delusional thinking. We should remember not to take them seriously ever again, like everyone who demanded a Great War of Adventure in Iraq in 2003.
   881. BDC Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5724733)
Say, YR and others, here's a review of a new(ish) book by Adam Chill on bare-knuckle prizefighting. I don't know if we have an OT: Fighting thread here but this one will do fine, I reckon.
   882. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5724734)
There's going to be another bare-knuckle boxing event in October, on the heels of a mildly successful one last June. This one is expected to boast a match between two former UFC midcard fighters, Phil "The Jobroni" Baroni and Chris "Fatherless Bastard" Leben.

I watched the first event and was entirely unimpressed. As expected, what you got were bare-knuckle matches between fighters using tactics and techniques used in gloved boxing. Several broken hands, a few other bad sprains that caused the fighters to fight one-handed, basically a lot of flailing around. Suffice it to say that the Great John L Sullivan would have had easy pickings from that crowd.

Thanks for the article though, I will check it out.
   883. Lassus Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5724735)
If only there were another thread where books were being discussed!
   884. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5724736)
Would that it were so simple.
   885. BDC Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5724737)
If only there were another thread where books were being discussed!


Popular culture? But if I posted it there people would complain it was OT: Sports :-D
   886. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5724738)
ETA: Weren't a bunch of people saying "oh, he'll pivot once he's in office"?

I don't think anyone was saying that.
Well, it depends on your definition of "people"...
Should he win the nomination, we expect Trump to pivot — not just on the issues, but in his manner. The post-pivot Trump needs to be more presidential: better informed on policy, more self-disciplined and less thin-skinned.
Or "person":
In an interview on ABC’s “This Week,” Priebus said Trump "knows the pivot is important." Former President Ronald Reagan “had the same problem in 1979 going into 1980.”
   887. Lassus Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5724742)
I'm pretty sure 'pivot' came up here, but due to the GIDP discussions, 'triangulate' is easier to find:
955. -- Posted: September 14, 2017 at 01:54 PM (#5531618)

Yeah, probably better to quote Trump's alleged "hardcore base" than admit to being completely wrong about Trump himself.

This observer told everyone long ago that Trump would wind up triangulating -- it's right there in the archives -- and Trump is triangulating. The quality of prediction should come as little surprise, but alas -- apparently -- it does.
   888. BDC Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5724743)
Former President Ronald Reagan “had the same problem in 1979 going into 1980.”


I knock Ronald Reagan as much as anybody; he was ignorant and often evil. But: one thing Ronald Reagan could always do was read effectively from a script, and then smile and walk serenely away. Cripes, it was his whole profession. The sum total of Reagan's most glaring ad-libs – bombing Russia and all the rest of it – would be the milder part of about two or three Trump tweets on an average day, without even getting into the stuff that Trump says in person.
   889. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5724746)
Awesome.

Ridiculousness top to bottom.

I suppose the financial calculus depends on the terms - and particularly the length.... $15K a month to just be quiet isn't a bad deal at all... but when your only talent is consistently NOT being quiet - that means you've pretty much got to live on solely that. I could certainly make $180K (pre-tax) work to do nothing except keep quiet. But - if it were only for a year? Even two or three? I'd probably want a 6 figure signing bonus... or maybe a balloon payment upon completion of the quiet contract.

In any case - given that her book advance was rumored to be 7 figures and the Big Brother casting probably netted her another few hundred K, she obviously made the right call.

Trump Clownertainment simply got outbid by other forms of Clownertainment.
   890. tshipman Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5724749)
I realize that we're all going to gleefully quote the Omarosa book when it comes out, but I really wish we could all just ignore it.

There will be nothing new in there, and the source is as non-credible as it can get. Trump is a bad person. So is Omarosa, and giving her money to spew things that we already know is such a waste of society.
   891. Morty Causa Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5724750)
After he was elected, Trump said that he understood he'd now have to quit all that twittering. Remember that?
   892. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 10, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5724752)
Winning. So much. Perhaps too much.

Ahead of midterms, Trump hits a wall in efforts to curb illegal immigration

Nearly 19 months into his presidency — and three months ahead of pivotal midterm elections — the envisioned $25 billion border wall remains unfunded by lawmakers. Deportations are lagging behind peak rates under President Barack Obama, while illegal border crossings, which plummeted early in Trump’s tenure, have spiked.

And government data released Wednesday showed that the number of migrant families taken into custody along the southern border remained nearly unchanged from June to July — an indication that the Trump administration’s move to separate thousands of parents and children did little to deter others from attempting the journey.
   893. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: August 10, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5724755)
I realize that we're all going to gleefully quote the Omarosa book when it comes out, but I really wish we could all just ignore it.

There will be nothing new in there, and the source is as non-credible as it can get. Trump is a bad person. So is Omarosa, and giving her money to spew things that we already know is such a waste of society.


Hey - I don't plan to spend a penny. I have no doubt free access to the juiciest of the juice will be plentiful.

But a former ridiculous Trumpkin reality TV villain turns on the Trump ridiculous reality TV villain after working for him?

No, sorry... I'm not going to ignore that. I plan to be most gleeful quoter around.

The idea that we should be "above it all" when a buffoon who hired another buffoon then has that fired buffoon make him look like a buffoon even though she's a buffoon just doesn't wash.

When Trump shitbombs blow up all over Trump, you don't just politely ignore it while he cleans up his own mess. You point at him, laugh, and make fun of him for creating a shitbomb to begin with.... especially given such stuff tends to make just smear the #### around worse and rub the stink in rather than actually cleaning it up.
   894. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 10, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5724756)
This observer told everyone long ago that Trump would wind up triangulating -- it's right there in the archives -- and Trump is triangulating. The quality of prediction should come as little surprise, but alas -- apparently -- it does.


Such perspicacity. At least they weren't obnoxious condescending dicks when pointing out how much smarter they were than everybody else.
   895. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: August 10, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5724757)
There will be nothing new in there, and the source is as non-credible as it can get. Trump is a bad person. So is Omarosa, and giving her money to spew things that we already know is such a waste of society.
Well, according to Zonk's link, she apparently taped a number of Trump's conversations, so there will be at least some credibility. Whether or not there was anything interesting in those conversations remains to be seen, but from the ferocity of Huckabee's attacks, it seems there might be something popcorn-worthy.
   896. Shredder Posted: August 10, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5724758)
Yes but they were all credulous idiots prone to delusional thinking.
This may be true for some, but I doubt for most. I think most of the people saying he'd pivot were confidently stating such in front of TV cameras, while secretly freaking out over the possibility (or likelihood) that he wouldn't. They were mostly Republican pundits and politicians who probably weren't so credulous themselves, but were really hoping that the people they were trying to reach were that credulous. Sort of "Senator/Rep/Pundit Steamed Hams" before there was a President Steamed Hams.
   897. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: August 10, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5724760)
Well, according to Zonk's link, she apparently taped a number of Trump's conversations, so there will be at least some credibility. Whether or not there was anything interesting in those conversations remains to be seen, but from the ferocity of Huckabee's attacks, it seems there might be something popcorn-worthy.


The first rule of Trump Club is that you ALWAYS talk about fights that break out between Trump Club members.
   898. Shredder Posted: August 10, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5724761)
There will be nothing new in there, and the source is as non-credible as it can get.
Or, on the other hand, maybe there will be something new in there and it will be credible?
Omarosa Manigault Newman was offered a $15,000-a-month contract from President Trump’s campaign to stay silent after being fired from her job as a White House aide by Chief of Staff John F. Kelly last December, according to a forthcoming book by Manigault Newman and people familiar with the proposal.
   899. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 10, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5724762)
892. Deportations are lagging behind peak rates under President Barack Obama

“I would have voted for Obama for a third term if I could.”
   900. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 10, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5724763)
I think most of the people saying he'd pivot were confidently stating such in front of TV cameras, while secretly freaking out over the possibility (or likelihood) that he wouldn't.


No. The GOP at the time consisted of two primary groups. Insane wacko nut jobs in the "Freedom Caucus" who saw Trump and Trumpism as the next stage in their grand game of ensuring that government of the idiots, by the idiots, for the idiots should not perish from the earth; and GOPe types who were absolutely certain that the tiger whose tail they'd been riding for decades on end would never ever turn and take real control of their levers of power. The people you're talking about were in the second category, and believed they'd "manage" Trump the way they always have.
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