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OTP 2018 July 23: How sports and American politics made each other

In January 1942, as the United States committed itself fully to World War II, President Franklin Roosevelt decided that baseball, then the national pastime, should sustain civilian morale during the lengthy struggle ahead. He implored its commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, to make sure the games went on, despite worldwide armed conflict. And so they did. Professional baseball players, Roosevelt argued, “are a definite recreational asset.”

Roosevelt did not extend that consideration to professional football players, whose sport did not register politically. As a result, the National Football League nearly shut its doors during World War II. So many players were called to serve that several franchises had to merge. In fact, the league didn’t take off until it closely associated itself with national politics. For the past half century, the intertwining of American football and politics has sustained both pastimes.

 

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Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: July 23, 2018 at 08:42 AM | 1431 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   801. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5716351)
Ooooooo!

Popcorn!

Jim Jordan is going to run for "House Speaker"... I think he means House minority leader, but he's new to this.

AWESOME!
   802. homerwannabee Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5716352)
To fix the Trump quote, "I have broken Elton John's attendance records, of which he has many records in the music industry. All I do is talk to get people to come. Elton has a huge collaborative effort to get people to come see him. I don't need a musical instrument like Elton. No, I've broken a lot of attendance records across many states. I’ve broken virtually every state attendance record. Of course it helps that I can fill in more people because I take up a small space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these attendance records from state to state. Really, it's just me here talking, and they still come. All I have is a mouth and a brain, and of course the brain is more important because without that I'd be spewing a bunch of nonsense."
   803. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5716353)
In 2013 Avenatti formed a company, Global Baristas, to buy Seattle-based Tully's Coffee out of bankruptcy.[39] Avenatti first formed a partnership with actor Patrick Dempsey, but Dempsey later backed away from the venture after a short legal battle that resulted in a settlement.[40] Since 2015, Global Baristas has been named in more than 50 lawsuits in state and federal courts for breach of contract, unpaid bills, and unpaid taxes.[41]

Avenatti also got hit with a $10M judgement for essentially defrauding a former law paertner, and reportedly owes the IRS nearly half a million dollars in back taxes. I wouldn't recommend going very far out on the limb with this guy.
   804. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5716354)
Of all the gifts whatever is left of the House GOP in 2019 could give me, I feel like being led by Jim Jordan is almost too generous a gift to accept.
   805. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5716355)
I mean Trump should be impeached over stuff like this:
“I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.”
When a reporter tried to pin Elizabeth Holmes down on what their method was, her answer was "A chemistry is performed so that a chemical reaction occurs and generates a signal from the chemical interaction with the sample, which is translated into a result, which is then reviewed by certified laboratory personnel."
   806. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5716356)
I wouldn't recommend going very far out on the limb with this guy.


says the Trumpista. Irony, get back in that grave!
   807. Srul Itza Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5716357)
Trump is a disaster, a liar, crook, and con man.


And those are his virtues
   808. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5716358)
I didn't RTFAOI, but I thought the argument generally was that he was a witness to obstruction, in that he had something to do with vetting or approving the bullshit letter that the Administration wrote justifying the Comey firing (it wasn't Russia, but rather because he was so mean to Hillary), which everyone knows is a lie.
Some people have indeed made that argument, but that's not what the fake¹ articles of impeachment discuss. (But your facts are a bit off; he wrote the latter; he didn't just vet it. The problem with the argument is that Trump later told everyone that he had already made the decision to fire Comey before the letter.)


¹Really fake. This was introduced in a particular procedural way such that it won't actually be voted on.
   809. PepTech Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5716359)
Recognizing, of course, that this is made up, some of it is particularly questionable:
the president’s abiding popularity in the states that still decide who gets to live in the White House: Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.
I do not know the answer the answer to these questions, but can all those displaced PR residents vote? Who would they be likely to vote for (OK, I think I know the answer to this one...)? How many are there?^
Senator Elizabeth Warren
Ha! Wishful thinking, much? Who came in second, HRC?
Mr. Trump proved effective, if characteristically vitriolic, in making a foil of the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi.
Now *that* sounds plausible. She's an albatross.

------------

^ I decided to not be a lazy ass and looked it up. According to this article, around 56,500 potential voters have relocated from PR to FLA in the six months following Hurricane Maria (out of 135,000 total such migrants). They're eligible to vote *if* they register. And finally:
About seven in 10 Puerto Rican voters polled in Florida on the eve of the 2016 U.S. elections said they would vote for Democratic candidates, according to a survey by polling firm Latino Decisions.
Of course that number could change, like any other number. For the record, Trump took Florida by 120,000 votes (49.1% to 47.8%), with Johnson polling 206K and Stein another 64K.
   810. PepTech Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:13 PM (#5716360)
I wouldn't recommend going very far out on the limb with this guy.
Who, if anyone, is out on a limb with that guy? Besides Stormy herself, I mean.

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Avenatti and Cohen are both in the Weasel Inner Circle?
   811. Srul Itza Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5716361)
How many abortions would Trump have to have paid for to lose the snake-handling wing of the Republican party?


He could perform the abortions himself with a coat hanger, and they would say, Yes, but God Forgives.
   812. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5716362)
Ha! Clicked the link...

It's Bret Stephens!


The irony of Clapper's choice of columnists is that Bret Stephens has probably spent almost as many words denouncing Trump over the past two years as any liberal columnist. Maybe Claps should check out Stephens' reaction to Trump's performance in Helsinki, on an interview with Lester Holt:

Bret Stephens: I don’t think Trump “believes in the concept of a free world”

Or maybe he should check out the Stephens column that prompted Holt's invitation:

America First, America Hated, America Alone
   813. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5716364)
I wouldn't recommend going very far out on the limb with this guy.


Yeah, we should probably insist that he release his tax returns at minimum before going out on such a limb for him. I mean, all those lawsuits? Unpaid bills? Stiffing clients and partners? Looooottttt of smoke there. Add to that his clearly pathological narcissism and need for media attention? His pretty obvious man on the prowl for the ladies act...

There is just waaayyyy too much shadiness in his background for me to waste much effort defending him.

I mean, I want to "win" as much as the next guy - but there definitely need to be some semblance of principles, some respect honesty and moral rectitude, something more than "He's against the person/people I'm against". You go down that road and get burned by it, I don't see how you come back. You have to be able to look yourself in the mirror and not feel ashamed, whatever the stakes.

....who are we talking about again?

EDIT: I will NOT be handing out any cokes because I think mine is better
   814. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5716369)
EDIT: I will NOT be handing out any cokes because I think mine is better


never say in 200 words what you can say in 10.
   815. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5716370)
never say in 200 words what you can say in 10.


The world has room for both Hemingways and Faulkners.
   816. PepTech Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5716371)
The world has room for both Hemingways and Faulkners.
Apparently not, they're BOTH dead.
   817. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5716374)
Apparently not, they're BOTH dead.


And both the Clintons and DNC remained uncharged.

There is no justice in the world.
   818. Srul Itza Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5716375)
The only saving grace is that his base doesn't consist solely of evangelicals. A few of them might actually care about his personal morals.


Since everyone knew he was a serial adulterer before being elected, and in light of the Access Hollywood Tape, I'm going to say -- no.

   819. zenbitz Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5716377)
@690 is solid gold. Primey!
   820. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5716379)
Bret Stephens has probably spent almost as many words denouncing Trump over the past two years as any liberal columnist.

True, but doesn't that just indicate his 2020 prediction is based on something other than his personal preference?
   821. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5716383)

I know several folks in the IVDD world and I don't recall any of them being enthusiastic about the Theranos technology. Since you read the book, is one of the conclusions that the enthusiasm from the investor class completely overwhelmed the skepticism from the scientific class?
Pretty much. One of the salient points is that Holmes -- deliberately or luckily -- positioned Theranos not as a medical company but as a Silicon Valley company. Her board of directors had no medical people on it. Her venture capital investors were not people who had historically invested in medical startups; they were people who regularly invested in high-tech startups, and who loved to hear buzzwords like "proactive" and "paradigm."
   822. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5716384)
doesn't that just indicate [Stephens'] 2020 prediction is based on something other than his personal preference?


Yes. Page hits.
   823. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5716386)
True, but doesn't that just indicate his prediction is based on something other than his personal preference?


I don't waste a whole lot of time worrying about what neocon dead-ender climate change deniers who provide 'curriculum' to Dennis Prager's "University" think...

I mean, as I said - anti-Trump is a big tent, so to the degree the two or three people who listen to him follow... thanks, I guess.

But, umm... yeah. I feel like there is actually no depth of problems in the Democratic party for which it would ever occur to me: Maybe we should ask Bret Stephens for advice.
   824. Lassus Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5716387)
I had kinda checked out, I hadn't remembered that David's ilk in FL were responsible for this mess.
   825. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5716388)
Bret Stephens has probably spent almost as many words denouncing Trump over the past two years as any liberal columnist.

True, but doesn't that just indicate his 2020 prediction is based on something other than his personal preference?


Not necessarily. His personal preference for an establishment Democrat is clearly what fuels his implicit advice to the party to ignore the issues that might increase its base's turnout. I'm sure he's sincere in his belief that nominating a Warren or a Harris or a Gillibrand would ensure Trump's re-election, but with all due respect that's Stephens' opinion, not a scientific survey.
   826. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5716389)
PepTech, #809:
Senator Elizabeth Warren
Ha! Wishful thinking, much? Who came in second, HRC?


The most recent example of a 2-to-3-years-beforehand favorite actually going on to get their party's open nomination was Hillary Clinton, 2016. The last time before that was Bush and Gore in 2000. Kerry, Obama, McCain and Romney were not the favorites, and in a couple of cases not even considered as a polling option until much later in the process. Bad news for Biden, great news for Madame President Ocasio-Cortez.
   827. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5716393)
Mark Agee on Twitter:
Next we’re going to get an audio tape of Trump actually having sex, and he’s gonna deny it by saying it could just be someone throwing mashed potatoes at a bean bag chair while a St. Bernard has an asthma attack.
   828. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5716395)
Bad news for Biden, great news for Madame President Ocasio-Cortez.


Starting the birther movement early :-)?

Unless she's Albert Pujols' long lost twin, she's got two more cycles before she's eligible.
   829. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 26, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5716398)
Trump proved that all of the old political rules no longer apply.
   830. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5716403)
I follow a couple of "old-school" themed pro wrestling Instagram accounts. One of them posted a photo of Hulk Hogan posing in the ring with Trump visible in the front row of the audience. The comments are brimming with fat neckbeards basically creaming themselves over two of their heroes together in one "iconic" photo.
   831. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5716404)
About seven in 10 Puerto Rican voters polled in Florida on the eve of the 2016 U.S. elections said they would vote for Democratic candidates, according to a survey by polling firm Latino Decisions.

Of course that number could change, like any other number. For the record, Trump took Florida by 120,000 votes (49.1% to 47.8%), with Johnson polling 206K and Stein another 64K.

That may have already changed a bit. More recently, Poll Of Puerto Ricans In Florida Shows Scott Better-Liked Than Nelson:
Gov. Rick Scott is better-known and better-liked than Sen. Bill Nelson among Puerto Ricans in Florida, according to a new poll that spells trouble for the incumbent as this Democratic-leaning group leans toward the Republican challenger ahead of the November election.

The most recent poll has Scott leading by 4%, 44%-40% in that Senate race.
   832. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5716407)
How interesting...

Allen Weisselberg has been subpoenaed in the Cohen probe.

Might be worth continuing to keep watching...
   833. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5716408)
Funny, I'm recording a 1937 movie off TCM called Behind the Headlines, and within the first three minutes there was a reference to "fake news".
   834. Davo Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5716409)
Imagine having to choose between Rick Scott and Bill Nelson in an election. You poor Floridans.
   835. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:16 PM (#5716411)

I had kinda checked out, I hadn't remembered that David's ilk in FL were responsible for this mess.
Wait, what? I'm confused as to what we're talking about.
   836. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5716412)
I wouldn't recommend going very far out on the limb with this guy.


The man consorts with porn stars. Enough said.
   837. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5716417)
I follow a couple of "old-school" themed pro wrestling Instagram accounts. One of them posted a photo of Hulk Hogan posing in the ring with Trump visible in the front row of the audience. The comments are brimming with fat neckbeards basically creaming themselves over two of their heroes together in one "iconic" photo.


Hulk Hogan is pretty much the Donald Trump of pro-wrestling. Selfish, narcissistic, low-ability blowhard who only cared about his own marketability and actively sabotaged anyone who threatened his gravy train. His fanbase is mainly idiots too stupid or ignorant to realize there were better, more talented options literally everywhere you look. I really do wish the Iron Sheik took Verne Gagne's request and broke Hogan's leg in 1984.

In other wrestling/politics-related news, I just learned yesterday that Kevin Von Erich, the surviving member of the tragically cursed Von Erich wrestling family, is a wacky Trumpholster. He recently tweeded that people who opposed the President were siding with "Satanists and child-traffickers". Kevin has had a sad adult life and I can't be too hard on him, but he's off his rocker.
   838. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5716418)

He recently tweeded
Sounds more like something that someone like BDC would do.
   839. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5716420)
Jolly Old Andy, #833:
Funny, I'm recording a 1937 movie off TCM called Behind the Headlines, and within the first three minutes there was a reference to "fake news".


Over 120 years ago, William Jennings Bryan used to rail against "an epidemic of fake news." Of course, Bryan also had more than a touch of the self-serving bullshit gene.
   840. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5716423)
On a different topic...

I pretty much agree entirely with this - but I'd add even more...

First, don't recall - but did we touch on Zuck's dabbling in the realm of "honest" holocaust denial vs "dishonest" holocaust denial? Because we probably should have... In a nutshell - I find these silicon valley-style arguments to be such utter nonsense. I mean, it's a private company. It has a platform. It can damn well allow or disallow whatever it wishes on the platform. What annoys me - and I say this is as something as a tech evangelist who very much does appreciate the possibilities of the digital age - is this "cake and eat it too" BS. As if the entity has both some kind of "higher calling" and shouldn't be subject to any external oversight. You can't have it both ways. Just face up to being a share/MAU/revenue chaser and that both of those thoughts are in service of that. It's not an evil thing. I just hate the facade of pretending it's not.

Second, having recently dealt with some GDPR issues myself (the particular division I work in is US based, but we are an EU company and we do cross-sell) - I don't think it can really be understated how much the GDPR means to a company like Facebook. It's not just a little tweak here, a TOS there -- it quite literally upends FB's entire business model.

I have a rather mixed view of the EU's GDPR myself... I think there's a lot of good there, but yeesh - some of the rules go a little hog wild. On the whole, though - I think there's more baby than bathwater.

Haven't read the FB guidance specifically that caused today's pretty massive selloff -- but I'm betting dollars to donuts, GDPR compliance is mentioned somewhere in it.
   841. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5716424)
I had kinda checked out, I hadn't remembered that David's ilk in FL were responsible for this mess.

Wait, what? I'm confused as to what we're talking about.

I assume the 207k people in Florida that voted Libertarian threw their vote away.
   842. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5716430)
He recently tweeded

Sounds more like something that someone like BDC would do.


Texas is Von Erich country, you're going to jape your way into an Iron Claw and then you'll be sorry.
   843. dlf Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:48 PM (#5716438)
Sounds more like something that someone like BDC would do.


In that heat? No, no, my good man. BDC would have seersuckered.
   844. zenbitz Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5716443)

On impeachment -- mouse you continue to believe that impeachment weakens the Democrats. I just don't see it.


Impeachment *now* wouldn't weaken the Democrats, but as long as there are 40 Republican Senators, impeachment wont happen *unless* weakens Democrats (or alternatively, strengthens Republicans).

I think, in this instance at least, politics is a zero-sum game.
   845. Lassus Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5716446)
I think it would be fascinating if Zuckerberg was like "You know what, #### this ####\" and just turned Facebook off on a dime. Not that he's able to, of course, but I wonder would happen, what random results would occur?
   846. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:53 PM (#5716447)
I wouldn't be able to keep up with all the dankest Minions memes.
   847. Greg K Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5716449)
I think it would be fascinating if Zuckerberg was like "You know what, #### this ####\" and just turned Facebook off on a dime. Not that he's able to, of course, but I wonder would happen, what random results would occur?

WeChat would get hundreds of millions of new subscribers?
   848. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 02:58 PM (#5716451)
I think it would be fascinating if Zuckerberg was like "You know what, #### this ####\" and just turned Facebook off on a dime. Not that he's able to, of course, but I wonder would happen, what random results would occur?
Some Myspace stockholders would get a pleasant surprise?
   849. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5716452)
I wouldn't be able to keep up with all the dankest Minions memes.


I know I'm getting old but it's crazy to me how Facebook evolved from what was essentially a hookup and stalking app for college kids into mostly a repository for middle aged oversharing and tired memes.
   850. Lassus Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5716454)
Well, I mean, the snark abides, but there are a lot of little things that would go completely sideways.

Just off the top of my head, various domestic and wild animal rescues would be badly screwed.
   851. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5716455)
I think it would be fascinating if Zuckerberg was like "You know what, #### this ####\" and just turned Facebook off on a dime. Not that he's able to, of course, but I wonder would happen, what random results would occur?

All the kids would need to find a new site to go to as the grown-ups went onto Instagram and Snapchat.
   852. Zonk Rocks You Like a Sharpiecane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:10 PM (#5716459)
I know I'm getting old but it's crazy to me how Facebook evolved from what was essentially a hookup and stalking app for college kids into mostly a repository for middle aged oversharing and tired memes.


Heh... that's because the latter day iteration just uses that as a vehicle. FB honestly is - at least an entity/company - really nothing more than data mining and data resale outfit. That's why I agree that today's big plunge is really just the start... choppy waters ahead for them.
   853. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:22 PM (#5716468)
Kevin has had a sad adult life and I can't be too hard on him, but he's off his rocker.


Kerry and Kevin Von Erich were considered imbeciles by their peers. Benign imbeciles, but still.


edit...according to Michael Hayes.
   854. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5716471)
God the Sean Davis account never fails to deliver:

Sean Davis Retweeted

Mollie

Verified account

@MZHemingway
56m56 minutes ago
More
The White House should not ban a reporter for asking questions they don't like. It would also be good for the media to reflect on the healthiness of their move from generally biased reporting to outright propaganda and #Resistance. There are many ways to threaten 1st Amendment.


Reminder: the Federalist, which employees Sean and Molly, is a conservative vanity project with no real business plan or news/editorial separation. It is literally a content farm working at the behest of wealthy conservative donors. That Sean and Molly can type with a straight face about "biased reporting" is, well, to laugh.
   855. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5716472)
Kerry and Kevin Von Erich were considered imbeciles by their peers. Benign imbeciles, but still.

edit...according to Michael Hayes.


That's Michael PS Hayes to you. Now hit my music.

(My music)
   856. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:34 PM (#5716480)
Now hit my music.
Here you go.
   857. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5716482)
   858. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 26, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5716504)
Good thing Pope Ray has us both on ignore or we'd be chided for our un-PCness.
   859. Spahn Insane Posted: July 26, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5716508)
He could perform the abortions himself with a coat hanger, and they would say, Yes, but God Forgives.

Moreover, they'd cite it as conclusive proof that the left's doomsday scenarios of coathanger abortions, should the supremes gut Casey, really aren't all that bad.
   860. PepTech Posted: July 26, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5716509)
Man this was a different age. Love me some Road Warriors. Check out 7:10-7:20...
   861. homerwannabee Posted: July 26, 2018 at 04:32 PM (#5716510)
As far as a major site like Facebook being turned off on a dime it hasn't happened. I do remember when Justin.tv was shut down because the company switched over to Twitch, and people were sort of peeved because they simply took it all down. Every single video was deleted. All the live streams were discarded. Some people were really ticked off about it, but in the end after about a week or so they moved on. Still I thought it was a classless thing to do.
   862. Lassus Posted: July 26, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5716511)
Television Without Pity had a pretty quick exit.
   863. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: July 26, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5716522)
As far as a major site like Facebook being turned off on a dime it hasn't happened. I do remember when Justin.tv was shut down because the company switched over to Twitch, and people were sort of peeved because they simply took it all down. Every single video was deleted. All the live streams were discarded. Some people were really ticked off about it, but in the end after about a week or so they moved on. Still I thought it was a classless thing to do.


vine?
   864. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5716523)

Facebook as a website / app / whatever performs extremely well. Other websites and apps routinely crash, take forever to load, don't perform as expected, or simply have downtime, but I have almost never had that with Facebook. I always thought that was underrated as a reason for its success versus its early competitors like Friendster.
   865. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5716531)
Man this was a different age. Love me some Road Warriors. Check out 7:10-7:20...


Yeah that’s back when it was real.
   866. zenbitz Posted: July 26, 2018 at 05:32 PM (#5716533)
For whatever it's faults as a company, Facebook engineers wrote and open-sourced ReactJS which is the current best practice for web UI frameworks.
   867. PepTech Posted: July 26, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5716538)
Yeah that’s back when it was real.
LOL. The best part is Garvin helping with both hands on Animal's shoulder.

There are certainly more stiff moves these days; it was a lot more "classic" wrestling and "punching" BITD, and not a lot of anything else. Check out 15:38 of this clip; Hayes has Flair "pinned" for about eight seconds, with no count. I'd also forgotten how "turning over" the Figure Four magically transferred all the bone-breaking pressure to the other guy, and how they used to end broadcasts without any resolution... good times.
   868. PepTech Posted: July 26, 2018 at 05:45 PM (#5716542)
whatever it's faults
/GRAMMAR PEDANT ALERT

its

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   869. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:05 PM (#5716547)
Peppy (may I call you Peppy?), you talk about Garvin helping, and I get it, that was part of the game, but watch this match (Watch the whole thing, it's pretty good), but specifically from the 29 minute mark. Backlund performs a lift that should have ruptured 3 or 4 of his discs. There was no way Koloff could help him lift him like that.

Bob Backlund was as good a worker as Ric Flair, but because he was a stammering moron on the mic, they had to take away his championship. As a wrestler, he was the best. start at minute 29 if you don't want to watch the whole thing
   870. manchestermets Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:06 PM (#5716548)
Presumably if Facebook shut down the grownups would move to Google+? It's basically Facebook that nobody uses because Facebook already existed.
   871. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:14 PM (#5716549)
Presumably if Facebook shut down the grownups would move to Google+? It's basically Facebook that nobody uses because Facebook already existed.


Not a chance. Google+ is a disaster and Google has basically abandoned it. The only thing it's good for is quickly getting on a video call with a few friends, if they don't have Facetime.
   872. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:22 PM (#5716553)
Bob Backlund was as good a worker as Ric Flair,


No.
   873. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:26 PM (#5716554)
I agree with zonk in that I can't imagine anything happening – like, literally, ####### anything at this point – that would cause Trump to lose Republican backing in the Senate.


Decomposed Body Surfaces in Water Near Trump's Bronx Golf Course.

   874. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:28 PM (#5716556)
There's another reason - the foundation needs to be laid.

I think that’s right. You want people to be saying, “We’re not there yet,” so that people are contemplating getting there at some point.


Right. I mean, those election results won't overturn themselves.

The impeachment process clearly wasn't designed for that. It was more like "Oh, the president has committed a high crime; let's impeach him." It wasn't, "He hasn't done anything impeachable, but let's continue to build a case for when the totality of the nothing impeachable can serve as a frivolous basis for impeachment."

Again: unhinged.
   875. dlf Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:28 PM (#5716558)
I'm always amazed by the market. In one day, FB stock went down $120B. Mark Z's personal wealth went down - in one day - five times what Forbes calculates DJT's net worth to be. Or said differently, it would take Albert Pujols playing for another 592 1/2 years at his present annual salary to match what Zuck lost today.
   876. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:32 PM (#5716559)
Dershowitz: House GOP Making Case for Trump's Impeachment With 'Dumb' Move Against Rosenstein


...

On "America's Newsroom," Dershowitz... said evidence of specific crimes must be present in order to move forward with impeachment, whether it's Rosenstein or Trump.

He emphasized that the process cannot be based on political differences, blasting Republicans for a "short-sighted" and "stupid" maneuver.

"If you don't like the way Rod Rosenstein is responding to your subpoena, charge him with contempt of court. Bring him to court. But do not use impeachment. That just helps the Democrats who are trying to impeach Trump. It's a dumb, dumb decision," he said, adding Republicans' impeachment articles do not charge crimes.

Dershowitz said therefore, there is no case to be made for impeaching Rosenstein.

"It really will backfire," he concluded, predicting the House will immediately bring articles of impeachment against the president if they are victorious in November.
   877. Jay Z Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:33 PM (#5716560)
its

tl; dr
   878. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:38 PM (#5716563)
That 85% or so dropping to 75% or so would still be an awfully big problem for him.

Low 40s is bad. 30s is disastrous.


Heck, given how narrow his margin was in 2016, a 1% drop would likely be sufficient to cost him re-election.


All else being equal, which of course it won't be.
   879. PepTech Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:40 PM (#5716564)
Backlund lifting Koloff is otherworldly. No other word for it. He was freakishly *strong*, he had all the physical moves, he could take bumps. As for being "as good a worker as Flair" - that depends how much you include ring psychology in "worker". Backlund, for all his skills, for all his cleverness, couldn't get the crowd as excited as Flair could simply by touching his hair. It's not fair, really. Backlund is kind of Edgar Martinez, where Flair is Griffey.
   880. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:44 PM (#5716565)
I didn't RTFAOI, but I thought the argument generally was that he was a witness to obstruction, in that he had something to do with vetting or approving the bullshit letter that the Administration wrote justifying the Comey firing (it wasn't Russia, but rather because he was so mean to Hillary), which everyone knows is a lie.

Some people have indeed made that argument, but that's not what the fake¹ articles of impeachment discuss. (But your facts are a bit off; he wrote the latter; he didn't just vet it. The problem with the argument is that Trump later told everyone that he had already made the decision to fire Comey before the letter.)


Re your text that I bolded, repeat after me: That does not mean that Rosenstein is not a witness.
   881. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:46 PM (#5716566)
Oh goody. Ray is back.
   882. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:47 PM (#5716567)
Re your text that I bolded, repeat after me:


He did not fellate that country.
   883. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:48 PM (#5716568)
He could perform the abortions himself with a coat hanger, and they would say, Yes, but God Forgives.

Moreover, they'd cite it as conclusive proof that the left's doomsday scenarios of coathanger abortions, should the supremes gut Casey, really aren't all that bad.


Starting to understand why Trump will likely win again in 2020?
   884. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:50 PM (#5716569)
for all his cleverness, couldn't get the crowd as excited as Flair could simply by touching his hair.


They should have made Backlund a heel while he was champion, but the WWWF didn't have heel champs that held the title for long.
   885. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:56 PM (#5716570)
Starting to understand why Trump will likely win again in 2020?


If he does, it won't be because he fellated Iran, now will it?
   886. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 06:58 PM (#5716571)
Starting to understand why Trump will likely win again in 2020


Stupid people still have the vote? That’s it isn’t it? Little Lord? It’s the Stupids right?
   887. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 26, 2018 at 07:14 PM (#5716575)
Hulk Hogan is pretty much the Donald Trump of pro-wrestling. Selfish, narcissistic, low-ability blowhard who only cared about his own marketability and actively sabotaged anyone who threatened his gravy train. His fanbase is mainly idiots too stupid or ignorant to realize there were better, more talented options literally everywhere you look. I really do wish the Iron Sheik took Verne Gagne's request and broke Hogan's leg in 1984.


I'm in my early thirties, so I was pretty much the ideal age to be swept up in "Hulkamania" and was admittedly a big fan. His charisma is close to unmatched, especially compared to the bland personalities of today. But I wept no tears when he was temporarily blackballed three years ago for those comments. I know I was in the minority, though. Plenty of fans were, "What's the big deal? He was talking in private. We all say bad things in private!" Uh, yeah.
   888. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 26, 2018 at 07:18 PM (#5716577)
Kerry and Kevin Von Erich were considered imbeciles by their peers. Benign imbeciles, but still.


edit...according to Michael Hayes.


Listening to Kerry speak reminded me of Jesse Ventura's go-to insult for The Ultimate Warrior. "Million dollar body and a 10-cent brain."

Kevin was doing a lot of work with WWE's on-demand programming service about a decade ago. He seemed fairly delusional even back then, so it's not much of a shock to learn of his current political affiliations.
   889. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 26, 2018 at 07:22 PM (#5716579)
Backlund lifting Koloff is otherworldly. No other word for it. He was freakishly *strong*, he had all the physical moves, he could take bumps. As for being "as good a worker as Flair" - that depends how much you include ring psychology in "worker". Backlund, for all his skills, for all his cleverness, couldn't get the crowd as excited as Flair could simply by touching his hair. It's not fair, really. Backlund is kind of Edgar Martinez, where Flair is Griffey.


I think it speaks to Backlund's personality blandness that he was too much of a white-meat babyface even for late '70s/early '80s fans.

His heel work during his 1994-95 return was good ####, though. IIRC, fans who approached him for an autograph would be asked to name all of the presidents in US history before they could get the signature.
   890. zenbitz Posted: July 26, 2018 at 07:25 PM (#5716580)
So.... Ray's current hypothesis is that negative campaigning (at the National level?) backfires?

I mean lets (im doing it on purpose now) pretend everything liberals say about Trump is 100% propaganda. You think they should say NICE things instead?

You cannot be seriously suggesting that the Democrats campaign on the *issues*???

Thats absurd.
   891. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5716583)

Re your text that I bolded, repeat after me: That does not mean that Rosenstein is not a witness.
Sure it does. (Well, I mean everyone is a witness to something. But he's not a witness to anything material.)

But there's a bigger problem with the argument: so what if he is a witness? Witnesses can take part in investigations. Law enforcement officers are witnesses to lots of things as part of their jobs; that doesn't mean they recuse themselves from the investigations. What a witness generally -- but not categorically -- can't do is be a lawyer handling a case, because there is an inherent conflict between being an advocate and a witness. But while Rosenstein has ultimate oversight over Mueller, he's not the one conducting any prosecutions.
   892. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 26, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5716584)
You cannot be seriously suggesting that the Democrats campaign on the *issues*???


First part of that sentence is an evergreen comment.
   893. Davo Posted: July 26, 2018 at 08:04 PM (#5716589)
Ooh the Dersh!

@willmenaker
Google "Alan Dershowitz first wife" for some interesting reading
   894. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 26, 2018 at 08:51 PM (#5716600)
That Florida Senate poll with Scott ahead by 4% wasn't the only poll released today. Among the others were polls on the Michigan Senate race, Michigan Governor, Minnesota Senate special election, Minnesota Governor, Wisconsin Senate, and Wisconsin Governor.

In the Michigan gubernatorial poll, Whitmer (D) leads Schuette (R) by 9 points.

In every one of the other 5 General Election matchups, the Democratic candidate sports a double digit lead, ranging from 11% in the Minnesota gubernatorial matchup (Swanson - Pawlenty) to 18% in the Michigan Senate race (Stabenow vs. James).

Oh, and in the Wisconsin gubernatorial matchup, Evers leads Walker by 13%. Frat Boy's luck may finally be running out.
   895. Davo Posted: July 26, 2018 at 08:58 PM (#5716603)
Good riddance. Walker might be the most evil of the bunch.
   896. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 09:07 PM (#5716608)

Good riddance. Walker might be the most evil of the bunch.
See, it's statements like this that gave us Trump.
   897. BDC Posted: July 26, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5716609)
He recently tweeded

Sounds more like something that someone like BDC would do


Fetch me my ascot, Chumley.
   898. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 09:09 PM (#5716610)
I'm in my early thirties, so I was pretty much the ideal age to be swept up in "Hulkamania" and was admittedly a big fan. His charisma is close to unmatched, especially compared to the bland personalities of today. But I wept no tears when he was temporarily blackballed three years ago for those comments. I know I was in the minority, though. Plenty of fans were, "What's the big deal? He was talking in private. We all say bad things in private!" Uh, yeah


Using the same language in a private conversation with family that other wrestlers just say on TV is about the 60th most heinous crime Hulk Hogan has inflicted on the wrestling business. He screwed over an entire generation of wrestlers, perhaps none worse than Sting who went from being the #1 babyface in wrestling to a midcarder in two months. He should be blackballed for refusing to do a clean job for 15 years.
   899. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 26, 2018 at 09:11 PM (#5716612)
Haha, I knew I was going to see Booker T the moment I clicked on that link.
   900. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 26, 2018 at 09:26 PM (#5716619)
Flair Flop. Wooooooooo
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