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OTP 2018 July 9: Why It’s Hard to ‘Stick to Sports’

A quote attributed to the late U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren reads: “I always turn to the sports pages first, which records people’s accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man’s failures.”

But even in Warren’s lifetime, the sports page was full of things that moved outside the realm of sports accomplishments into the political world of page one: Jackie Robinson breaking the baseball color line, Muhammad Ali’s successful fight to overturn his criminal conviction for refusing military service in the Vietnam War, Tommie Smith and John Carlos’ black power salute from the victory stand of the 1968 Summer Olympics, the enactment of Title IX to expand opportunity for girls in sports, and Curt Flood’s lawsuit to break baseball’s reserve clause.

 

The mix of politics and sports wasn’t unique to Warren’s time. The two worlds have never been, never were, and never will be as separate as many imagine or would like them to be. Sports isn’t immune from capital-P political oversight and opinions, which grow out of the small-p politics about how we as people organize our lives and societies. In other words, angrily telling sports media figures and athletes themselves to “stick to sports”—a popular demand these days when sports and politics mix on social media—is an impossible ask.


(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: July 09, 2018 at 08:02 AM | 1010 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   501. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 11, 2018 at 07:26 PM (#5708808)
Dershowitz: Supreme Court could overturn a Trump impeachment

I suppose that's just an attempt to goose book sales, but as a practical matter, the type of spurious impeachment case that might tempt the Supreme Court to review the matter has little chance of passing the House, and much less of getting the two-thirds of the Senate needed for conviction. Few elected officials, even Democratic ones, are dumb enough to sign on to the Zonk-Sam "Just Get Him" standard.
   502. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 11, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5708812)
I suppose that's just an attempt to goose book sales, but as a practical matter, the type of spurious impeachment case that might tempt the Supreme Court to review the matter has little chance of passing the House, and much less of getting the two-thirds of the Senate needed for conviction. Few elected officials, even Democratic ones, are dumb enough to sign on to the Zonk-Sam "Just Get Him" standard.


Few idiots, even Republican ones, are dumb enough to sign on to a ridiculous reality TV buffoon continually embarrassing anyone with two functioning neurons... but here we are.

   503. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 11, 2018 at 07:42 PM (#5708814)
Clapper, #396:
You've been assured in this very space - despite numerous political pundits & operatives expressing contrary views - that no Senator will lose an election for voting against a Supreme Court nominee, so I don't see why you'd excuse those who betray your party for such transparently flimsy reasons.


Clapper, you want to take three incumbents whose scheduled reelection bids were already known to be wafer-thin "50%-ish Dem in a red state" propositions four years ago, and claim that those three 2018 SCOTUS votes (best of all, a vote in either direction) will be the precise cause of each of their always-possible losses. It's as if you've never heard about targeted seats, or red and blue states, or politics.

You haven't provided any previous example of a similar voter punishment anywhere, but it's now so looming and so self-evident that it's about to occur in three states simultaneously. (And soon to be four, going by your McCaskill post.) Meanwhile, Chuck Grassley personally blocked Merrick Garland's SCOTUS nomination while running for reelection in Iowa. His bluish state had just given its electoral votes to Obama, twice, by margins of 6% and 10%. But Obama-thwarting Grassley won reelection by more than 25%. Presumably it would've been 30% or 40% if not for the beyond-obvious Garland backlash.

Still, it was fun to see you embrace one "political pundit" article at face value, while deconstructing another's true meaning, even when both articles appeared in the exact same daily edition of the New York Times.
   504. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 11, 2018 at 07:43 PM (#5708815)
David Nieporent, #439:
Does accurately describing Gorsuch’s seat as stolen bother you because you don’t want to acknowledge it was an illegitimate power play to maintain a conservative majority?

No; it bothers me because it's delusional. If you want to describe it as a power play, well, duh. If you want to characterize it as illegitimate, well, that's just like your opinion, man. But calling it "stolen" is nutty.

I say that the seat was stolen... at GOPpoint!
   505. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 11, 2018 at 07:43 PM (#5708816)
Misirlou, #464:
Brace yourselves, Chinese trout and badger hair is about to get more expensive.
The US is running out of Chinese exports to tax
Tuesday's list includes live trout, which hasn't been imported from China for decades, as Bloomberg first noted, as well as obscure items such as badger hair.
Oh, how coincidental that I won't be able to get my usual supply of discount badger hair immediately after a speculator insider cornered the market.
   506. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 11, 2018 at 07:50 PM (#5708818)
I believe that people are responsible for their own actions and statements, and not for those of others. on the other hand, it's reasonable to hold people accountable for the company they keep. Thus, Trump's new Communications Director:

Wife of top Trump aide had radio show where she said women in military should expect sexual harassment

Darla Shine, the wife of new White House deputy chief of staff for communications Bill Shine, hosted a radio show in the late 2000s where she once mocked victims of sexual harassment in the military and repeatedly pushed fringe conspiracy theories about vaccines.

Speaking in August 2009, Shine declared herself a "sexist" and said women serving with men in the military should expect to be sexually harassed.

"And why on earth would you fight to go on the submarine ship for months on end? You know there was just a story with these girls, these women who are upset that they are sexually harassed in the military," Shine said. "What do you think is going to happen when you go on a submarine for 12 months with 4,000 horny soldiers?

"I hate to say it, but it's true. They should not even be allowed. The top military should say, 'No way, you're not allowed.' But you know, the feminists have fought for these rights. It's so stupid. I don't know why anybody would want that."


I think it's fair to ask the new WH communications director if he agrees with his wife, and if she still holds those views.

   507. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 11, 2018 at 08:03 PM (#5708826)
I think it's fair to ask the new WH communications director if he agrees with his wife, and if she still holds those views.


Given that Shine lost his FoxNews job because the place was apparently a lot like his wife's imagined submarines and it just got awfully expensive to do business that way, I don't think he needs to answer aloud for everyone to know EXACTLY what the answer is.
   508. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 11, 2018 at 08:08 PM (#5708829)
Given that Shine lost his FoxNews job because the place was apparently a lot like his wife's imagined submarines and it just got awfully expensive to do business that way, I don't think he needs to answer aloud for everyone to know EXACTLY what the answer is.


Nonetheless, it's important to bring it to the attention of as many people as possible.
   509. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 11, 2018 at 08:15 PM (#5708838)
Speaking in August 2009, Shine declared herself a "sexist" and said women serving with men in the military should expect to be sexually harassed.

"And why on earth would you fight to go on the submarine ship for months on end? You know there was just a story with these girls, these women who are upset that they are sexually harassed in the military," Shine said. "What do you think is going to happen when you go on a submarine for 12 months with 4,000 horny soldiers?

"I hate to say it, but it's true. They should not even be allowed. The top military should say, 'No way, you're not allowed.' But you know, the feminists have fought for these rights. It's so stupid. I don't know why anybody would want that."



When you're starboard, they let you do it.
   510. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 11, 2018 at 08:45 PM (#5708856)
So, you know...

Here's the thing - not just Shine/Shine's wife, but just in general - I don't get.

What is this alleged uncontrollable sex drive thing? To de-politicize it, I remember an old Soprano's episode after Vito got outed and Tony is explaining to Dr Melfi how guys "get a pass" for 'it' in prison and I just do not get it.

I mean, I've certainly lusted - a helluva lot more than Jimmy Carter, I imagine... I've also undoubtedly leered... and I've had, let's say, regrettable relationships in my younger days that pretty much started and lasted longer they should have based on nothing more than a sort of "oh well, at least I'm ####### regularly". I like to think my sex drive is at least average.... but even if it's not, WTF?

It's not even a "what terrible people to defend it!" - it's really and truly a mindset beyond my fathoming.
   511. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 11, 2018 at 08:48 PM (#5708858)
This seems like a great instinct that can't go wrong. When a story is drip-dripping, let it keep dripping until it drips itself out.

Speaker Ryan, Republicans rally around Rep. Jim Jordan amid wrestler abuse allegations
The conservative House Freedom Caucus, which Jordan founded, released a statement backing the Ohio Republican.
Speaker Paul Ryan on Wednesday joined a unified GOP front supporting Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio in the face of allegations from some former wrestlers at Ohio State University that Jordan turned a blind eye to sexual abuse by the team's doctor.

"Jim Jordan is a friend of mine," Ryan, R-Wis., told reporters. "We haven't always agreed with each other over the years. ... I've also known Jim Jordan to be a man of honesty and a man of integrity." ................The speaker said he wants to make sure that "Ohio State conducts a review of this doctor and what he did, and that's important so that campuses are safe, and I'm glad that Jim is supporting that review."

............Jordan continued to deny allegations that he was generally aware of locker-room talk about abuse by the doctor and that he had been specifically told of the doctor's conduct by one wrestler. "I am telling the truth," Jordan said. "I stood up to the speaker of the House from my home state, to the IRS and to the FBI. To think that I would not stand up for my athletes is ridiculous."

...............The conservative House Freedom Caucus, which Jordan helped found, released a statement backing him Tuesday night, days after the allegations were first reported by NBC News. "Jim Jordan is a man of integrity, and we believe him and stand with him 100 percent. If he had seen or heard something he would have acted," the statement said on Twitter.

Supporters have also launched a website defending the Republican lawmaker.

Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., the Freedom Caucus chairman, said Wednesday that he backs Jordan after knowing him for six years. "I know that he's a guy that fights for the underdog, always has," Meadows said. "And you know I've had a number of conversations with him and really at this particular point I know that if abuse allegations were brought up to him he would have been the first one to come to the defense."

Meadows said that the allegations won't disqualify Jordan from being speaker if he chooses to run for the position if Republicans retain control of the House after the November elections.

If a website has been launched, and Paul Ryan supports campus safety, and Jim Jordan fights for the underdog, there really isn't anything more to consider.
   512. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 11, 2018 at 09:01 PM (#5708866)
Here's the thing - not just Shine/Shine's wife, but just in general - I don't get.


Here's another thing. Shine's wife's statement is not only offensive to women, it's offensive to men. As if it's entirely natural for men to sexually assault a woman just because she's there. Is that the behavior she expects of her husband, father brothers, sons? If her husband raped someone, would she blame the woman for being within reach? I mean, maybe she would. I don't know how these fundie Republican households work. Seems an odd mindset for the party of family values.
   513. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 11, 2018 at 09:39 PM (#5708888)
Here's another thing. Shine's wife's statement is not only offensive to women, it's offensive to men. As if it's entirely natural for men to sexually assault a woman just because she's there. Is that the behavior she expects of her husband, father brothers, sons? If her husband raped someone, would she blame the woman for being within reach? I mean, maybe she would. I don't know how these fundie Republican households work. Seems an odd mindset for the party of family values.


Exactly.

That's why I don't even consider it a left/right thing... FFS, I'm offended by it, as a straight male. I'm not at all comparing it to the broader stigma the LBGTQ community deals with regarding employment or parenthood or mundane social situations - just saying it comes from the same, stupid place where some 'kind' of people - just straight males, in this case - are dogs in heat that can't help humping air in the springtime.

I recall my teens/20s, too... and the occasional 3 AM last call where you convince yourself you can pull off a cheesy pickup line with just the right amount of cute irony to convince that Jennifer or Jessica or something-with-a-J who had next game on the pool table to just go sloppy animal for the night (spoiler alert for you kids: You can't and even on the rare instance you can, trust me you'll wish you weren't able the next day)... so sure, we're all primates, we like to ####. I get it.

But jeebus, I think there's still a big gulf because stupid pickup lines at a bar and accepting something beyond that at work or whatever... to say nothing of the fact one really cannot live one's life as if it's always last after quarter pitchers with the fellas (I mean, I've tried... but it's not workable).
   514. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 11, 2018 at 09:45 PM (#5708889)
That's why I don't even consider it a left/right thing... FFS, I'm offended by it, as a straight male. I'm not at all comparing it to the broader stigma the LBGTQ community deals with regarding employment or parenthood or mundane social situations - just saying it comes from the same, stupid place where some 'kind' of people - just straight males, in this case - are dogs in heat that can't help humping air in the springtime.

I recall my teens/20s, too... and the occasional 3 AM last call where you convince yourself you can pull off a cheesy pickup line with just the right amount of cute irony to convince that Jennifer or Jessica or something-with-a-J who had next game on the pool table to just go sloppy animal for the night (spoiler alert for you kids: You can't and even on the rare instance you can, trust me you'll wish you weren't able the next day)... so sure, we're all primates, we like to ####. I get it.

But jeebus, I think there's still a big gulf because stupid pickup lines at a bar and accepting something beyond that at work or whatever... to say nothing of the fact one really cannot live one's life as if it's always last after quarter pitchers with the fellas (I mean, I've tried... but it's not workable).


I can kind of get that she made those statements in the context of generating ratings, but one should have to live with the consequences of one's previous public statements (Lord knows that Al Sharpron is still called on the carpet for Tawana Brawley, and rightly so). She's free to disavow them as 'well, that was just my radio personality", and let the conversation proceed from there. And we are free to ask her now politician husband how he feels about those previous statements.
   515. Ray (CTL) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:34 AM (#5708958)
I believe that people are responsible for their own actions and statements, and not for those of others. on the other hand, it's reasonable to hold people accountable for the company they keep.


Interesting to learn you now think Hillary Clinton should be held accountable for staying married to and defending a man who was accused of everything from sexual harassment to rape.

Under that logic she should not have been anywhere near the presidency.

But where were you in 2016? Don't think I heard this from you then.
   516. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:42 AM (#5708959)
I'd be great, if it weren't for all of you A-holes.
   517. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:07 AM (#5708960)
I was getting worried no one had brought up Hillary Clinton for a few hours.
   518. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:17 AM (#5708961)
They were right-- socialism IS a virus that spreads.
Ocasio-Cortez with another surprise election win - in a district she wasn't even running in

Things are going so well for insurgent Democratic congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that she’s winning primaries she didn’t even enter.

In addition to recently whipping longtime Queens Rep. Joseph Crowley in the 14th congressional district Democratic primary, Ocasio-Cortez also won the Reform Party write-in primary over Bronx Rep. Jose Serrano in the neighboring 15th congressional district. Neither she nor Serrano were competing for the line.

Still, the city Board of Elections certified Ocasio-Cortez’s write-in victory on Tuesday. Of the 22 people who received write-in votes, Ocasio-Cortez got the most with nine.

..........Ocasio-Cortez had to decline one of the nominations she won since state law bars individuals from being candidates for two different offices at the same time.

Nine votes tells us that Ocasio-Cortez inspires low enthusiasm and low turnout.
   519. greenback slays lewks Posted: July 12, 2018 at 06:44 AM (#5708964)
BRUSSELS—The NATO secretary-general ordered an emergency session on Thursday after President Donald Trump delivered heated remarks at a meeting of allied leaders in which he demanded members immediately meet the 2% military spending target set for 2024, according to diplomats and people familiar with the matter.

In a tense meeting expected to focus on Georgia and Ukraine, Mr. Trump swiftly changed the subject to military spending and warned allies that if they didn’t immediately meet the 2% goal, “I’ll do my own thing,” diplomats said. It was unclear to people in the room whether that was a threat to leave the alliance or to change the U.S. role in it.

What is this clown doing?
   520. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 12, 2018 at 06:48 AM (#5708965)
Nine votes tells us that Ocasio-Cortez inspires low enthusiasm and low turnout.


You know where she'll inspire enthusiasm? In Congress, with all those horny Congressmen. Shes inviting harassment, with her youth and beauty. Why would she want that? She shouldn't be allowed to become a member.
   521. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 07:43 AM (#5708968)
What is this clown doing?


Following orders.
   522. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 07:48 AM (#5708970)
Here's another thing. Shine's wife's statement is not only offensive to women, it's offensive to men. As if it's entirely natural for men to sexually assault a woman just because she's there. Is that the behavior she expects of her husband, father brothers, sons? If her husband raped someone, would she blame the woman for being within reach? I mean, maybe she would. I don't know how these fundie Republican households work. Seems an odd mindset for the party of family values.


It's the exact same mindset for making women wear veils and formless dresses. You can barely slide a piece of paper between the views of the theocratic Right and their ululating Islamist comrades-in-arms in the middle east. They love and respect women so much that they have to keep them isolated and away from the predations of animalistic, uncontrollable men who cannot be held responsible for their primitive urges.
   523. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 09:39 AM (#5708990)
449

As usual, Misirlou is just making stuff up.


Making stuff up from an article he quoted?


446

From a link in the article:


Burr says he’ll oppose any Clinton Supreme Court nominee: “If Hillary becomes president, I’m going to do everything I can do to make sure that four years from now, we’re still going to have an opening on the Supreme Court,” he said.

Burr’s position matches that of U.S. Sen. John McCain, who recently said Republicans will block anyone Clinton might nominate to the Supreme Court.

   524. dlf Posted: July 12, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5708994)
You might find this link interesting/informative. Quoting from the link:


OK, I found a little slice of time and looked at the first two cases in the link.

Island Architectural is a labor law case. It doesn't really provide much insight for future actions by Kavanaugh as the majority and dissent both agreed on the specific law and disagreed about the fact finding. Cases that make it to the Supreme Court are 99.999% disagreement about the law and rarely a factual issue. Kavanaugh's dissent was well written; anyone with at a 10th grade reading level could understand what he was saying and why instead of becoming hyper-technical and crammed with footnotes / case citations of interest only to the lawyers trying to inflate their bills by including legal Latin. Stretching to find something, I guess one could look towards the different level of deference the majority showed to the NLRB's fact finding vs. that shown by Kavanaugh to the ALJ.

In the US v. Brown case, the court was looking at criminal sentencing. Again Kavanaugh's partial dissent was clear, well written, no technical jargon and easily understandable. Not my area of law at all, but I am a bit concerned about this brief passage: "What about substantive reasonableness? On appeal, Matthews does not advance a substantive unreasonableness argument. That was a sound decision on his part. It is important to understand why that is so." Here our future Justice expressly opines on an area that WAS NOT RAISED by the parties. I feel very strongly that the adjudicator should decide the issues before him/her and never go looking for issues the litigants chose not to bring forth. A side note about the case: while it was per curiam, it appears that the majority decision from which Kavanaugh dissents was written by Garland.
   525. BrianBrianson Posted: July 12, 2018 at 09:45 AM (#5708995)
What is this clown doing?


The Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up?

That's what we wanted you to think!
   526. BrianBrianson Posted: July 12, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5708999)

I mean, I've certainly lusted - a helluva lot more than Jimmy Carter, I imagine... I've also undoubtedly leered... and I've had, let's say, regrettable relationships in my younger days that pretty much started and lasted longer they should have based on nothing more than a sort of "oh well, at least I'm ####### regularly". I like to think my sex drive is at least average.... but even if it's not, WTF?


Of course, she said "sexually harassed", not "sexually assaulted". "Sexually harassed" is a broad, vague phrase that allows the speaker/hearer to read a lot into it. And I'm sure I could find more than one person on tumblr who'd call leering sexual harassment. Or telling off-colour jokes to someone else that'd overheard. If you read your company's policy on sexual harassment, that extra split-second you spend pondering whether to facebook-friend a colleague because they're a woman and you're more conscious of how gender-politics might play into how she perceives it is probably forbidden.

Although really, "sexually assaulted" is a pretty broad phrase in the common parlance, that can cover a lot of things, too. It's quite easy to talk past one another.
   527. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5709002)
525

The Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up?


Which one's Ringo...?
   528. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:12 AM (#5709003)
512

Here's another thing. Shine's wife's statement is not only offensive to women, it's offensive to men. As if it's entirely natural for men to sexually assault a woman just because she's there. Is that the behavior she expects of her husband, father brothers, sons? If her husband raped someone, would she blame the woman for being within reach? I mean, maybe she would. I don't know how these fundie Republican households work. Seems an odd mindset for the party of family values.


I think they think A Handmaid's Tale is a documentary.
   529. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5709005)
   530. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:17 AM (#5709007)
Dilbert gets the Gas Face. These wack-ass suckas need to leave hip-hop to the hip.
   531. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5709013)
Of course, she said "sexually harassed", not "sexually assaulted". "Sexually harassed" is a broad, vague phrase that allows the speaker/hearer to read a lot into it. And I'm sure I could find more than one person on tumblr who'd call leering sexual harassment. Or telling off-colour jokes to someone else that'd overheard. If you read your company's policy on sexual harassment, that extra split-second you spend pondering whether to facebook-friend a colleague because they're a woman and you're more conscious of how gender-politics might play into how she perceives it is probably forbidden.

Although really, "sexually assaulted" is a pretty broad phrase in the common parlance, that can cover a lot of things, too. It's quite easy to talk past one another.
We saw that throughout the #metoo spasm of several months ago. People were conflating an employee asking a coworker out with a boss groping a subordinate, or conflating bad dates with rape.
   532. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5709014)
In case you're wondering where the usual clown car full of Trumpholsters is this morning, they're presumably watching CSPAN for the live testimony of Deep State Kingpin Pete Strzok.

"I understand we are living in a political era in which insults and insinuation often drown out honesty and integrity. But the honest truth is that Russian interference in our elections constitutes a grave attack on our democracy. Most disturbingly, it has been wildly successful — sowing discord in our nation and shaking faith in our institutions. I have the utmost respect for Congress’s oversight role, but I truly believe that today’s hearing is just another victory notch in Putin’s belt and another milestone in our enemies’ campaign to tear America apart."


Nyet! Fake News!
   533. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5709015)

Making stuff up from an article he quoted?
Well, let's just say that Politifact would give it at best a "mostly true." McCain did say what he's quoted as saying, but retracted it within a day or two.
   534. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5709016)
Well, at least they're being transparent about something...

"She was arrested for allegedly allowing a customer to touch her while on stage in a nonsexual manner! Are you kidding me?" Avenatti tweeted.

"They are devoting law enforcement resources to sting operations for this? There has to be higher priorities."
   535. DavidFoss Posted: July 12, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5709018)
Shine's wife is one of those that is mainly upset about political correctness. She seems obsessed with the fact the some people can get away with saying the N-word while others cannot. She's tweeted at least half a dozen times about that. She sounds like the type of person that would attend a fancy dinner and use the wrong fork for her salad -- not out of ignorance, but out of spite. And then spend the whole dinner talking about how she's using that wrong fork.

The thing she's said which has gotten the biggest reaction is that she thinks that 'sunscreen is a hoax'. It's just too ridiculous and funny.
   536. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5709023)

"She was arrested for allegedly allowing a customer to touch her while on stage in a nonsexual manner! Are you kidding me?" Avenatti tweeted.
Craig Calcaterra has been tweeting a bunch about this (he's an Ohio lawyer).
   537. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5709031)
[quote]"She was arrested for allegedly allowing a customer to touch her while on stage in a nonsexual manner! Are you kidding me?" Avenatti tweeted.

Craig Calcaterra has been tweeting a bunch about this (he's an Ohio lawyer).

I know. I follow him, but I can't get Twitter at work.
   538. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5709038)
Sorry about the format f-up.
   539. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: July 12, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5709042)
@mkraju:
Gowdy presses Strzok about his texts as the Russia investigation began, Strozk tries to give him the context, but Gowdy cuts him off. “If you want to get into context, let one of my other colleagues do that,” Gowdy says to him
   540. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5709044)
Why can't these countries live up to the US's standards?


Banana Republic isn't just the name of a chain clothing store, Ray.

There's a deep history of US subterfuge in Central America; perhaps I'll post some of the National Security Archive's revelations regarding Honderas, to which your clip refers. Since its 2009 coup, it's become number one in murder per capita, including paramilitary action against any opposition to the equally murderous regime.

Now, the previous two administrations said US-supported coups in Central America are a thing of the past, even implementing laws that revoke US military aid in the event of one. Regardless, Senate Armed Forces Committe Chair Carl Levin called for an investigation into charges members of US Southern Command at the National Defense University met with members of the Honduran military to quarterback the coup, including one of Pinochet's torturers on staff.

We won't talk about the response of Obama's Sec of State, for fear of giving some OTPers hives.
   541. DavidFoss Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5709049)
Gowdy presses Strzok about his texts as the Russia investigation began, Strozk tries to give him the context, but Gowdy cuts him off. “If you want to get into context, let one of my other colleagues do that,” Gowdy says to him

Gowdy knows that he's on the clock. He wants to get as many tough questions in as he can and doesn't want his time being wasted by Strzok's responses. It would be better for Strzok if he answered on a Democratic congressman's clock. You don't usually hear questioners admit this out loud, though.
   542. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5709059)
What is this alleged uncontrollable sex drive thing? To de-politicize it, I remember an old Soprano's episode after Vito got outed and Tony is explaining to Dr Melfi how guys "get a pass" for 'it' in prison and I just do not get it.


You never heard "A hundred sailors go to sea and fifty couples come back"?

But seriously, sexual harrassment, assault and rape in the military (or frat house) is about male bonding over sex drive, and in prison it's primarily a display of dominance. All of which play a role in sexual relations in society at large, but are ameliorated by an increased presence and social status of women.

Make the military half female and a lot of the truly horrendous stuff would be suppressed, if not disappear entirely.

   543. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5709063)
I think they think A Handmaid's Tale is a documentary.


Nah, it is a blueprint for the future of America.
   544. Howie Menckel Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5709065)
I regret having seen any of this Strzok interview.

he's either Christ or the anti-Christ, depending on the Congressman. I didn't see a single legitimate question before I flipped it off. these clowns are all embarrassing themselves, and they don't even know it. wait, I think they do know it.
   545. Tom T Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5709066)
Gowdy knows that he's on the clock. He wants to get as many tough questions in as he can and doesn't want his time being wasted by Strzok's responses. It would be better for Strzok if he answered on a Democratic congressman's clock. You don't usually hear questioners admit this out loud, though.


Agreed. During my testimony before Congress (concussion stuff...so just an innocuous hearing), the Dem staffers who prepared me were clear that I should focus on providing succinct factual information to the Rep questioners, and should reserve any additional material I desired to interject for questions from the Dems. And this was in a case where both sides were actually in agreement on what the issues likely were, but had simply brought in different subsets of experts.
   546. dlf Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:49 PM (#5709071)
OK, I found a little slice of time and looked at the first two cases in the link.


A few more minutes a few more notes.

The third case linked was PHH. I've beaten that dead horse enough.

Fourth one is Garza, one touching on a few hot-button issues, both abortion and immigration. A minor woman crossed the border illegally, was in detention, and discovered she was pregnant. She elected to terminate and jumped through the TX hoops required for a minor. She asked to be temporarily released to allow the procedure to occur. The court said yes; Kavanaugh said the government should have had an additional 7 days to find her 'sponsor' essentially someone to stand in for her parents while the immigration issue was addressed. Again, reasonably well written - mildly histrionic but the order was issued far faster than the norms, so perhaps the editing process was cut short. I personally find that the right of a person to make decisions about their body (*) to be as high in the ranking of competing rights as possible, so I disliked Kavanaugh's result, but it was not in any way out of the judicial mainstream.

Fifth case, Lorenzo v SEC allowed Kavanaugh's inner playwright to come forth. His dissent is colorful and creatively written. He found a more stringent due process requirement before imposition of administrative penalties by a securities broker who sent, but did not author, an email containing materially false information to investors. Again, not my area of law, but I like making the government jump through all reasonable hoops before denying them the ability to be employed in their field and liked - as a policy matter - that Kavanaugh would have done so here.

I might keep going in my reading, but at first glance, I like his approach and style for the most part while holding mild concerns about overreaching for issues not necessary to reach the decision.

...

(*) The kerfluffle others are addressing in this thread regarding Stormy Daniels touches (pun only slightly intended) on this. Why in the world would Columbus care if a person willing to be touched was, in fact, touched whether or not in exchange for money and whether or not on a "naughty bit?" Governmental puritanism annoys me.
   547. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5709072)
543

I think they think A Handmaid's Tale is a documentary.


Nah, it is a blueprint for the future of America.



It's 80 degrees outside and I feel like I need a sweater...
   548. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5709075)
546

(*) The kerfluffle others are addressing in this thread regarding Stormy Daniels touches (pun only slightly intended) on this. Why in the world would Columbus care if a person willing to be touched was, in fact, touched whether or not in exchange for money and whether or not on a "naughty bit?" Governmental puritanism annoys me.


Especially when it's selective.
   549. Morty Causa Posted: July 12, 2018 at 12:59 PM (#5709077)
I don't know, Franco. That horrendous stuff also serves as protection for females.

On another subject, Ray's reference to Dershowitz's comments wrt presidential impeachment is enticing. The only comment on Ray's link seems to be Yankee Clapper's at the top of this page. which seems sensible and circumspect.

I would first encourage Dershowitz and others here to take note of the actual articles of impeachment in the few presidential impeachment events we have had, whether actually passed or merely proposed. They seem far-ranging, even outside what would have been statutory crimes at the time.

And Congress, either the House or the Senate, certainly doesn't wait for a conviction in the courts. Indeed, from the few instances we have, Congress seems to think it decides whether that constitutional provision applies and whether it is met. I would also add that Rehnquist's attitude in the Clinton trial in the Senate gives the impression this is indeed so. But, then, talking impeachment is kind of like expatiating on what extraterrestrial life would be like. We only have one instance of evolution; it's hard to speak authoritatively (not that that will stop a Dershowitz) when you have only one example to extrapolate from. With impeachment of the president, you don't even have that, not to a successfully completed conviction and removal, anyway. Still, it's passing odd that the Grand Poobahs of Everything Pedantic to Quibble and Preen about haven't put in there two cents.
   550. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5709082)
he's either Christ or the anti-Christ, depending on the Congressman. I didn't see a single legitimate question before I flipped it off. these clowns are all embarrassing themselves, and they don't even know it. wait, I think they do know it.


He's a person appalled by DF Trump. This is - or should be - not all that remarkable of a thing.

That said, before one is too quick to divide up the "yeesh, the whole lot of them!" into equal both sides do it... let's not forget that only one side of the aisle can make this hearing happen, only one side of the aisle issued the subpoena, and only one side of the aisle could/has ensured it would be a circus soapbox... i.e., if one wants to say that Trump's hip pocket GOP congress should be investigating Strozk because the DOJ itself and the FBI's own internal oversight - all of which Trump also controls and has shown he has zero compunction about firing, demanding, or otherwise enforcing his whims onto - then there, of course, non-circus spectacle ways to do that.

   551. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5709083)

On another subject, Ray's reference to Dershowitz's comments wrt presidential impeachment is enticing. The only comment on Ray's link seems to be Yankee Clapper's at the top of this page. which seems sensible and circumspect.

I would first encourage Dershowitz and others here to take note of the actual articles of impeachment in the few presidential impeachment events we have had, whether actually passed or merely proposed. They seem far-ranging, even outside what would have been statutory crimes at the time.

And Congress, either the House or the Senate, certainly doesn't wait for a conviction in the courts. Indeed, from the few instances we have, Congress seems to think it decides whether that constitutional provision applies and whether it is met. I would also add that Rehnquist's attitude in the Clinton trial in the Senate gives the impression this is indeed so. But, then, talking impeachment is kind of like expatiating on what extraterrestrial life would be like. We only have one instance of evolution; it's hard to speak authoritatively (not that that will stop a Dershowitz) when you have only one example to extrapolate from. With impeachment of the president, you don't even have that, not to a successfully completed conviction and removal, anyway. Still, it's passing odd that the Grand Poobahs of Everything Pedantic to Quibble and Preen about haven't put in there two cents.


Because you apparently missed my comment on it...

That Dershy is just doing his usual greenroom chasing.

He's Kim Kardashian with words instead of underwear pics.
   552. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5709086)
. . . i.e., if one wants to say that Trump's hip pocket GOP congress should be investigating Strozk because the DOJ itself and the FBI's own internal oversight - all of which Trump also controls . . .

The Department of Justice Inspector General is an Obama appointee. Strzok earned his notoriety.
   553. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5709087)
DLF: You note in multiple places that you find his opinions clear and well written. I agree. And indeed, that seems to be a trend in recent years. Roberts, Kagan, Gorsuch... they all write clearly. ( I'm not a fan of Sotomayor's writing any more than I am her jurisprudence.)
   554. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5709088)
The Department of Justice Inspector General is an Obama appointee.


Which reinforces my point, not detracts from it.

Strzok earned his notoriety.


By finding Trump beyond-the-pale appalling and saying so. I know this doesn't make sense to the likes of you, but you're just going to have to trust me that it is not an unusual sentiment. I can provide some polls on the subject if you like.
   555. dlf Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5709092)
And indeed, that seems to be a trend in recent years. Roberts, Kagan, Gorsuch... they all write clearly.


At the Supreme Court, the decisions absolutely should be able to be read and understood by anyone who takes a little time. They shouldn't require a law degree and a study of the narrow area of law. At lower courts that should be important too, but less necessary. I applaud the move towards readability regardless of outcome.

( I'm not a fan of Sotomayor's writing any more than I am her jurisprudence.)


I'm not sure it is a full lifetime pass, but she gets big credit in my book for essentially ending the '94 / '95 strike when she was at the District Court. How can any matter coming before any court ever be nearly of that level of importance? And who cares about the finer points of collective bargaining law; just get the camps reopened!
   556. DavidFoss Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5709096)
The Department of Justice Inspector General is an Obama appointee. Strzok earned his notoriety.

?? The notoriety came from the leaked text messages. DOJ-IG never found anything more than that. But they're going to keep trotting him out there for show.

Strzok already gave lengthy testimony to this very committee behind closed doors. Strzok is OK with the transcripts released but Republicans don't want that? Today, we learn that Republicans want to hold Strzok in contempt for following the DOJ-IG's instructions about what he is allowed to disclose in an open forum.

Frankly, I'm a bit annoyed that I even know who this guy is. But I'm guessing he'll be investigated again at some point.
   557. Morty Causa Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5709097)
I agree that the opinions of the Supreme Court--or any court for that matter--should be readily accessible to any well-educated, well-informed person who seriously reads them. As Richard Feynman once put it, I don't consider that I have mastered an idea or theory unless I can explain it so my freshman physics class can understand it.
   558. Morty Causa Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5709098)
551

Well, okay. Point taken.
   559. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 12, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5709103)
?? The notoriety came from the leaked text messages. DOJ-IG never found anything more than that. But they're going to keep trotting him out there for show.

Strzok already gave lengthy testimony to this very committee behind closed doors. Strzok is OK with the transcripts released but Republicans don't want that? Today, we learn that Republicans want to hold Strzok in contempt for following the DOJ-IG's instructions about what he is allowed to disclose in an open forum.

Frankly, I'm a bit annoyed that I even know who this guy is. But I'm guessing he'll be investigated again at some point.


If I wanted to play ### for tat - I suppose I should eagerly await the subpoena of Agent Unnamed Agent to discuss finally getting that ##### next year... but then, I'm pretty comfortable with the idea that lots of people hate Hillary Clinton, too. I'd question the rationality of anyone more appalled by Clinton than Trump, but that's neither here nor there. So - FTR - I do not wish the next congress with new committee chairs and new people issuing subpoenas to bother.
   560. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5709113)
The notoriety came from the leaked text messages. DOJ-IG never found anything more than that.

A finding that a government official asserted that he would use his official position to stop the opposition party candidate from being elected is no small thing.
   561. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5709117)
That Dershy is just doing his usual greenroom chasing.

He's Kim Kardashian with words instead of underwear pics.


I don't know. Here is a pretty racy picture of Dershy at the beach. Dershy in the sand
   562. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5709120)

A finding that a government official asserted that he would use his official position to stop the opposition party candidate from being elected is no small thing.
Actually, he didn't say he would use his official position. And more importantly, since it's after the fact we know that he didn't do any such thing.
   563. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5709122)
A finding that a government official asserted that he would use his official position to stop the opposition party candidate from being elected is no small thing.

That "We" in "We'll stop it" is carrying a whole lot of water with no evidence to support the idea that he meant anything beyond an election outcome prediction that was almost universally shared.

EDIT: coke to David
   564. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5709134)
Those hordes of 120 year-old parents of missing Korean War veterains are going to be very disappointed Emperor Fatass has failed again. Hey, they got what they wanted - photos of an American president saluting North Korean military officers.
   565. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5709141)
553

I'm not a fan of Sotomayor's writing any more than I am her jurisprudence


C'mon! She saved baseball!

EDIT: Well, her & steroids, anyway...

EDIT EDIT: and a Coke to dlf
   566. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5709142)
Those hordes of 120 year-old parents of missing Korean War veterains are going to be very disappointed Emperor Fatass has failed again. Hey, they got what they wanted - photos of an American president saluting North Korean military officers.


Nobody could have predicted... Oh, wait - right... everybody did predict.

I suppose all things considered, the inevitable way this is shaking out is probably the best possible outcome of yet another Trump debacle. NK got its long-desired PR coup, so I suppose the US loses that pre-conditions carrot now... Dear Leader also got his glowing reviews (which Dear Leader? Both of them, I guess)... ridiculously stupid though they were (and remain)... Trump was already working on a global scale to eliminate any US high ground on human rights, so all his handjob did was re-emphasize that which was already pretty clear to the world.

All things considered? This is about as successful as Trump failures get.
   567. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5709144)
All things considered? This is about as successful as Trump failures get.


So he's still in play for that Nobel, then, right?
   568. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:54 PM (#5709145)
The Washington Post Fact Checker has taken a look at those allegations that there was something improper about the relationship between President Trump, Justice Kennedy, and Kennedy's Son:
Justice Kennedy is an octogenarian who said he was retiring from the Supreme Court to spend more time with his family. He’s a Republican appointee leaving a vacancy for a Republican president to fill. He’s a conservative jurist with liberal tendencies, not the other way around, so it’s not inherently suspicious that he would rule for Trump or want to see a conservative judge fill his seat.

It would be explosive if Kennedy’s decision to vote a certain way or to retire was based on Deutsche Bank’s dealings with Trump more than a decade ago. Scratching below the surface, there’s no evidence to justify these theories. The New York Times article doesn’t supply it. It says Deutsche Bank loaned Trump more than $1 billion “during” Justin Kennedy’s tenure, not that he was signing the checks or that any rules were broken. What we could piece together about Justin Kennedy’s history doesn’t support these theories, either.

Standing alone, the tweets from Painter and Tanden are incendiary and worthy of Four Pinocchios. Painter says he wasn’t questioning the Kennedys’ actions. Uncorrected, his tweet leaves a different impression, since it relies on a New Republic article raising questions about the justice, his son and Trump.

Four Pinocchios

Much more at link. Those who peddled those allegations, here and elsewhere, should be ashamed.
   569. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:55 PM (#5709146)
A finding that a government official asserted that he would use his official position to stop the opposition party candidate from being elected is no small thing.


What a goddamned tool you are. Not only did he not say that, his explanation of what "We will stop him" meant, meaning We (the American electorate) will stop him (not elect him) is far more plausible, and consistent with the fact that he indeed did not use his official position to somehow sabotage his campaign. Can you be honest at least once?
   570. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5709148)
#569 is not a fair reading of the IG Report, which found a disturbing “willingness to take official action” to hurt Trump’s chances to become president.
   571. Lassus Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5709150)
Those who peddled those allegations, here and elsewhere, should be ashamed.

While I did not peddle any such allegations, it takes a lot of balls for you in particular to lecture anyone else on having shame.
   572. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5709152)
While I did not peddle any such allegations, it takes a lot of balls for you in particular to lecture anyone else on having shame.

It certainly take a lot of gall for Lassus, who cheerleads for the most obnoxious poster here, to think he has any standing to decide what is acceptable from those he disagrees with. I suppose it's easier than actually posting something substantive though.
   573. Traderdave Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5709155)
the most obnoxious poster here


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This calls for a top ten list.
   574. DavidFoss Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5709156)
Clapper must think the FBI has quite a bit of dirt on the Trump campaign or he wouldn't be pressing so hard on trying to discredit the investigation.
   575. greenback slays lewks Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5709163)
The Washington Post Fact Checker

So you're saying you and I should rely on their findings?
   576. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5709166)
The WaPo Fact Checker also took a look at that 2009 Minnesota Law Review article being discussed here and elsewhere - Does Kavanaugh Think The President Is Immune From Criminal Charges?
Notice this is couched in terms of things Congress “should” do. Noah Feldman, a Harvard Law School professor, wrote that Kavanaugh might be saying “the president can be investigated and maybe even indicted unless Congress passes a law saying he can’t.”

Feldman wrote that “from a legal and constitutional perspective, Kavanaugh wasn’t saying that the courts should find that the president shouldn’t be investigated or indicted.” “To the contrary,” he wrote. “He was saying that Congress should pass a law ensuring that result, because without it, the president was open to being investigated — and maybe even indicted.”

Only two Pinocchios for the anti-Kavanaugh folks this time, presumably because nobody is expected to actually read law review articles.
   577. greenback slays lewks Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5709167)
The WaPo Fact Checker

So you are saying we can rely on their findings. Good to know.
   578. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5709168)
the most obnoxious poster here

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This calls for a top ten list.


"Who's playing for second?"
- Larry Bird
   579. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5709171)
#569 is not a fair reading of the IG Report, which found a disturbing “willingness to take official action” to hurt Trump’s chances to become president.


Oh boy, I hope someone read that before the Strzok inquisition I referenced in #532! Try and weasel your way out of that, Deep State Stooge!
   580. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5709179)
Just finished listening to about half an hour's worth of the live coverage of the Strzok hearings. I'd somehow thought that Gowdy was about 2% less rabid than Nunes, but after hearing him in action I retract the sentiment. Christ, is this guy an embarrassment to himself and everyone who supports him. They might as well let Trump himself take over the hearings and cut out the middleman.
   581. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5709182)
Oh boy, I hope someone read that before the Strzok inquisition I referenced in #532!


I tuned in momentarily, just in time to see the shitshow that is Louie Gohmert. He used all of his time insulting and accusing Strzok of all sorts of crimes, even bringing his (Strzok's) wife into the mudslinging. Nadler and others on the D side objected, but apparently it's not against the House rules to insult and berate witnesses and their families. So he went on and on, and when his time was up, the chairman told Strzok he could respond. Gohmert objected, saying witness can only respond to questions and he hadn't asked a question. The chairman, finding within him an ounce of humanity, basically told Gohmert to #### off. When Strzok tried to respond, Gohmert kept interrupting with 'he's not allowed to respond, he's not allowed to respond."

I think I'd rather go to jail for contempt than testify to that madhouse. Not against the rules to insult and berate a witness and his family! Blow the whole thing up, with all members present say I.
   582. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5709184)

I don't know, Franco. That horrendous stuff also serves as protection for females.


The Private War of Women in Iraq

According to several studies of the US military funded by the Department of Veteran Affairs, 30% of military women are raped while serving, 71% are sexually assaulted, and 90% are sexually harassed.

The Department of Defense acknowledges the problem, estimating in its 2009 annual report on sexual assault (issued last month) that some 90% of military sexual assaults are never reported.



I was the only female in my platoon of 50 to 60 men. I was also the youngest, 17.

Because I was the only female, men would forget in front of me and say these terrible derogatory things about women all the time.

I had to hear these things every day. I'd have to say 'Hey!' Then they'd look at me, all surprised, and say, 'Oh we don't mean you.

I was less scared of the mortar rounds that came in every day than I was of the men who shared my food.

One of the guys I thought was my friend tried to rape me. Two of my sergeants wouldn't stop making passes at me.

Everybody's supposed to have a battle buddy in the army, and females are supposed to have one to go to the latrines with, or to the showers - that's so you don't get raped by one of the men on your own side.

But because I was the only female there, I didn't have a battle buddy. My battle buddy was my gun and my knife.

During my first few months in Iraq, my sergeant assaulted and harassed me so much I couldn't take it any more. So I decided to report him.

But when I turned him in, they said, 'The one common factor in all these problems is you. Don't see this as a punishment, but we're going to have you transferred.'

Then that same sergeant was promoted right away. I didn't get my promotion for six months.

They transferred me from Mosul to Rawah. There were over 1,500 men in the camp and less than 18 women, so it wasn't any better there than the first platoon I was in. I was fresh meat to the hungry men there.

I was less scared of the mortar rounds that came in every day than I was of the men who shared my food.

I never would drink late in the day, even though it was so hot, because the Port-a-Johns were so far away it was dangerous.

So I'd go for 16 hours in 140-degree heat and not drink. I just ate Skittles to keep my mouth from being too dry.

I collapsed from dehydration so often I have IV track lines from all the times they had to re-hydrate me


The whole time I was in Iraq I was in a daze the whole time I was there 'cause I worked nights and I was shot at every night.

Mortars were coming in - and mortars is death! When they say only men are allowed on the front lines, that's the biggest crock of ####! I was a gunner! But when I say I was in the war, nobody listens. Nobody believes I was a soldier. And you know why? Because I'm a female.

There are only three things the guys let you be if you're a girl in the military - a #####, a ho, or a dyke. You're a ##### if you won't sleep with them. A ho if you've even got one boyfriend. A dyke if they don't like you. So you can't win.

I wasn't carrying the knife for the enemy, I was carrying it for the guys on my own side

A lot of the men didn't want us there. One guy told me the military sends women soldiers over to give the guys eye-candy to keep them sane.

He told me in Vietnam they had prostitutes, but they don't have those in Iraq, so they have women soldiers instead.

At the end of my shift one night, I was walking back to my trailer with this guy who was supposed to be my battle buddy when he said: 'You know, if I was to rape you right now nobody could hear you scream, nobody would see you. What would you do?'

'I'd stab you.'

'You don't have a knife,' he said to me.

'Oh yes I do.'

Actually I didn't have one, but after that, I always carried one.

I practiced how to take it out of my pocket and swing it out fast. But I wasn't carrying the knife for the enemy, I was carrying it for the guys on my own side


Rumsfeld and Sanchez Covered Up Rape Scandal


...in testimony before a panel of judges at the the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York, Col. Janis Karpinski testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military commander in Iraq, repeatedly covered up the fact that woman soldiers were dying of dehydration because they weren’t drinking water in the evenings. The reason? They didn’t want to have to go to the latrines at night because male soldiers were raping them there. In the 120-degree heat of Iraq and Kuwait, they died of dehydration in their sleep. When the cause of death was found to be dehydration, Sanchez ordered that it be removed for reasons of women’s “privacy rights.” Rumsfeld knew about it and ordered that the details not be released.

Over a six month period, more than 89 rapes were reported to a supposed rape “hotline” set up for women soldiers. Even if raped soldiers had access to phones, which many didn’t, when they called the “hotline” they got a recorded message telling them to leave a message. Knowing they were going to be raped and there would be no recourse for them, the women stopped drinking liquids after 3-4 p.m., and began dying of dehydration.

Karpinski, in her testimony, quoted Sanchez as saying, “The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory.”



Sanchez is no stranger to outrageous military orders. He was heavily involved in the torture scandal that surfaced at Abu Ghraib. Sanchez approved the use of unmuzzled dogs and the insertion of prisoners head-first into sleeping bags after which they are tied with an electrical cord and their are mouths covered. At least one person died as the result of the sleeping bag technique. Karpinski charges that Sanchez attempted to hide the torture after the hideous photographs became public.
   583. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 12, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5709185)
Clapper must think the FBI has quite a bit of dirt on the Trump campaign or he wouldn't be pressing so hard on trying to discredit the investigation.


His Majesty is like a stream of kompromat's piss.
   584. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5709189)
I understand we are living in a political era in which insults and insinuation often drown out honesty and integrity. But the honest truth is that Russian interference in our elections constitutes a grave attack on our democracy. Most disturbingly, it has been wildly successful — sowing discord in our nation and shaking faith in our institutions. I have the utmost respect for Congress’s oversight role, but I truly believe that today’s hearing is just another victory notch in Putin’s belt and another milestone in our enemies’ campaign to tear America apart."


He's got the Democratic talking points down pat.

The lionization of CIA and FBI needs to stop just because in some cases they oppose Trump. I've pretty much ignored the petty Strzok/Page saga (Page sees a Bernie sticker and says she wants to key the car), but their superiors are not to be trusted in defending democracy -- which is really about defending their institutional police powers to corrupt it.
   585. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:06 PM (#5709190)
Lovely choice the Republicans are presenting to Strzok: Either abide by the FBI's order not to answer questions about an ongoing investigation and risk a contempt citation, or answer questions that the FBI's legal counsel told him not to answer, and risk being the target of a new IG investigation.

It's hard to imagine a congressional committee sinking any lower than the GOP members of this one have sunk today, but I'm sure they'll top themselves many times in the ongoing months, cheered on at every turn by Clapper and JE.
   586. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:11 PM (#5709195)
Today's GOP Rep. Jim Jordan update:

Crooks and Lawyers:
Rep. Jim Jordan's Excuses Implode After His OSU Boss Admits He Knew About Sexual Abuses
The former head coach of Ohio State University has admitted he knew the team doctor was sexually abusing his wrestlers which contradicts his recent statements of support for Rep. Jim Jordan who was coaching with him at he time.

CNN reports, "A former Ohio State University wrestling coach says he warned a team doctor -- whose alleged actions are the subject of a school investigation into sexual abuse allegations -- that the doctor was "too hands on" with student athletes, according to a video produced last month by a former student wrestler who says he was abused."

A few days ago, Rep. Jordan retained a high profile conservative PR firm to stump for his innocence. They released a statement featuring Coach Hellickson's statements.
In a phone interview on Monday, former Ohio State University head wrestling coach Russ Hellickson vehemently denied that he or Jordan had ever seen or been told that Dr. Richard Strauss was molesting or sexually assaulting OSU wrestlers during the 1980s and '90s.
That didn't hold up very long.

Josh Marshall writes:

On the tape, Hellickson said that many of the wrestlers were “uncomfortable” with Dr. Strauss’s behavior and that he had confronted Strauss about it. There was Strauss’s lingering in the showers with wrestlers and fondling them during weigh-ins.

When Strauss told Hellickson that he showered with the wrestlers as well, Hellickson told him: “Yeah. Not for an hour, doc.” Hellickson also told Strauss he was “much too hands on” with the wrestlers. In response, Strauss told him he was just being “thorough.” (In a discussion of the tape Wednesday morning on CNN, a CNN journalist who has watched the tape said the being “hands on” was during weigh-ins.) Critically, Hellickson said he’d communicated his concerns about the shower situation to University administrators. “Certainly, all of my administrators recognized that it was an issue for me. I’m sure that I talked to all of them on numerous occasions about my discontent with the environment.”
This destroys Jordan's credibility and his argument that he and all the other coaches knew nothing about the serial abusing team doctor in their midst at Ohio State University.
   587. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5709196)
even bringing his (Strzok's) wife into the mudslinging. Nadler and others on the D side objected, but apparently it's not against the House rules to insult and berate witnesses and their families.


You know, you could go right after Bill Shine for his role in the Roger Ailes mess instead of going after his wife's stupid comments. There's a disturbing trend on both sides of the aisle for no-holds-barred (no families spared) political combat.

Blow the whole thing up, with all members present say


Sam's an idiot with his whole string 'em up & run 'em over schtick, but sometimes you come off truly unhinged by the political nuttery of the GOP.

Maybe take a break?
   588. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5709197)
The lionization of CIA and FBI

This isn't happening. 'Both sides' aren't equally as bad. One can defend our agencies and institutions from the cowards' and traitors' specific attacks while also finding fault with them in other areas.
   589. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5709199)
"Who's playing for second?"


So why were you eating dust on your hike, YR? You're number ten, at best.
   590. DavidFoss Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5709204)
You know, you could go right after Bill Shine for his role in the Roger Ailes mess instead of going after his wife's stupid comments. There's a disturbing trend on both sides of the aisle for no-holds-barred (no families spared) political combat.

Are you following? Darla Shine hosted a radio show for years and was very active on twitter. She put herself out there and would regularly push the envelope of political correctness. This matches Bill Shine's attitude at Fox both on air and behind the scenes. Gohmert went after Strzok's wife not because of anything his wife did, but because Strzok cheated on her and presumably lied to her. Gohmert was trying to discredit Strzok's testimony. Was Strzok's wife there today?
   591. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5709205)
Interesting strategy - House GOP To Bring Democratic 'Abolish ICE' Bill Up For Floor Vote. Abolish ICE polls poorly, except among liberal Democrats. Might be a tough vote for some.
   592. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5709207)
"Who's playing for second?"

So why were you eating dust on your hike, YR? You're number ten, at best.


I'll hike at altitude against any of you pampered fancy lads, and I don't even live in Colorado anymore. I've climbed on more fourteeners than Roy Moore.
   593. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:30 PM (#5709209)
This isn't happening. 'Both sides' aren't equally as bad. One can defend our agencies and institutions from the cowards' and traitors' specific attacks while also finding fault with them in other areas.


All depends on whose ox is getting gored. I refuse the good cop/bad cop routine on these threads, the whole argument that our institutions are working as long as the right people are in charge.

On a pragmatic level, I'm all for hitting the GOP in their hypocrisy, corruption, incompetence, and anti-democratic tactics. Using the same authoritarian rhetoric and fear-mongering ain't getting it done, though.
   594. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5709211)
That was pretty gross, but the problem is you're never serious. And you may whip the lot of us pasty white middle agers, but methinks you swim in this shallow pool for just that reason.
   595. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5709213)
Darla Shine hosted a radio show for years and was very active on twitter. She put herself out there and would regularly push the envelope of political correctness.

Did you misread the news stories? She wasn't appointed to anything, but you're attacking her to get at her husband, and the president who appointed him.
   596. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:38 PM (#5709214)
Abolish ICE polls poorly, except among liberal Democrats. Might be a tough vote for some.


Hope you and yours don't end up tiger cages, Clapper.
   597. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5709215)
very active on twitter


I'm all for attacking anyone who fits this description.
   598. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 12, 2018 at 04:55 PM (#5709218)
Interesting strategy - House GOP To Bring Democratic 'Abolish ICE' Bill Up For Floor Vote.

Interesting, indeed. Maybe one of these years they'll get around to calling a floor vote on that Gang of 8 bill that passed the Senate 5 years ago. Or maybe they won't.
   599. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 12, 2018 at 05:00 PM (#5709219)
Did you misread the news stories? She wasn't appointed to anything, but you're attacking her to get at her husband, and the president who appointed him.


Yes.

You have correctly identified the inevitable shitbag conga line.

Congratulations.

Here is a cookie.
   600. perros Posted: July 12, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5709222)
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