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OTP 2018 June 25: Charles Krauthammer’s Love Of Baseball Leaves A Lasting Legacy

In recent days, many of Charles’ admirers had honored his formidable body of work and conservative convictions. I’m here to pay respects to his love of baseball, which made him and the world a happier place.

“If you believe, as do I, that God created baseball as a relief from politics, I herewith offer, as a public service, a column about [Bryce] Harper & friends,” he wrote in an exquisite column for The Washington Post in 2016.

 

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

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   201. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:47 PM (#5699504)
So... the reality of the last 10 years. Except finally now, "we" (royal we) get it.


Yes. This result was etched in stone the minute Reagan and his crew convinced them that trickle down economics would be good for Morty's "them" at the cost of the hated "lazy niggers" (i.e. "welfare queens in Cadillacs," "strapping young bucks buying t-bones with food stamps," etc.) Once that circuit was closed; once the will of capital was married to Morty's people's sense of racial grievance and hatred, it's been clockwork, right down to the rest of you telling those of us who live in it that we're "overplaying the race card."
   202. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:47 PM (#5699505)
That's right. It is no different, and those people feel no different than the White Rednecks y'all hallucinate about. That feeling is ubiquitous.

That's an existential predicament, and by that I mean, a condition of existing in groups and societies.

And there is no way around it except through egalitarian processes that everyone, or most everyone, will feel that they have serious input and is objectively fair and just. Otherwise, it's the same old same old.

And just simply riding that same old racist horse and insisting a different guy sit in the saddle isn't the solution. That ain't cutting it. Although finding someone or some group to righteously victimize is pleasurable. But, like a shot of whiskey to an alcoholic, it only gives a temporary surcease. The problem is still there.


I beg to differ.

I take a long view of history.

And the long view says we're in a better place than our ancestors were 500, 200, 100, even 50 years ago.

Just because snake oil salesmen have updated their carnival barking to meet the times doesn't change that, either.
   203. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:47 PM (#5699506)
Man Morty really does endlessly apologize for racists, doesn't he?

Unless I missed something, Morty isn't defending Harvard's racially discriminatory admissions policies.
   204. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:48 PM (#5699507)
Last I heard, those people were citizens and could vote. Are y'all thinking of a way to do away with that, or neutralize the effect of any power they could exert?


Nope. They get to vote, just like me. And their hurt feelings don't count any more than mine do, despite the fact you clearly think they do.
   205. perros Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:51 PM (#5699510)
To be fair, Morty also defended the many crimes of Mel Hall.
   206. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:51 PM (#5699511)
Unless I missed something, Marty isn't defending Harvard's racially discriminatory admissions policies.


Marty?

"Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly. Think! "
   207. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5699512)
I take a long view of history.


And with Morty's people that will get you the tied end of a short rope.
   208. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5699514)
Last I heard, those people were citizens and could vote. Are y'all thinking of a way to do away with that, or neutralize the effect of any power they could exert? Hmm. Yeah, I think y'all are doing that. That's what was done in the '60s and '70s and we're paying for it still. Those types you abhor work and even buy stuff, have kids they care for and send to school (but I guess you could separate their kids from them and place them in detention centers) just like other people.


1) Only one side of the divide is loudly and obviously pursuing curtailments on voting.

2) I think you mean to say up until the '60s and '70s.

3) I don't abhor them. I'm just not going to pay lip service to the frames that they guy they support has created. #### that.

4) Detention centers for the kids? Is there where I'm supposed to blame the parents? Sorry. See 3 above - I'm not buying the frame.
   209. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:57 PM (#5699516)

Aaargh, #156, the fetishizing of Harvard continues. Harvard may well and truly be messed up, and need some severe attitude adjustment. Meanwhile, moms and dads, Columbia and Penn are not safety schools in a rational universe.
Right. Harvard is a safety school; Columbia and Penn are the dregs.
   210. Morty Causa Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:58 PM (#5699517)
I beg to differ.

I take a long view of history.

And the long view says we're in a better place than our ancestors were 500, 200, 100, even 50 years ago.

Just because snake oil salesmen have updated their carnival barking to meet the times doesn't change that, either.


And African slaves in America generally had it a hell of a lot better than free men in Africa.

People tend to judge their predicament by taking into account what those in their tribe have and are allowed to do, not by what the ancient Egyptians had--or the present-day peons in Mexico. Brushing aside all such assertions as trivial and demeaning, isn't that what y'all have been saying every time this is raised with reference to your favored group?
   211. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 25, 2018 at 08:59 PM (#5699518)
And African slaves in America generally had it a hell of a lot better than free men in Africa.


lurk more.
   212. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:01 PM (#5699519)
Brushing aside all such assertions as trivial and demeaning, isn't that what y'all have been saying every time this is raised with reference to your favored group?


My favored group is ... people, especially the non-deplorable type. Maybe you feel differently, but that's your problem and not mine.
   213. perros Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:03 PM (#5699520)
America was founded on white supremacy. There's no getting past that fact.
   214. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:07 PM (#5699524)
America was founded on white supremacy. There's no getting past that fact.


As a historical fact, sure. As an inevitable future, BS. There is no fate but what we make.
   215. BDC Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:10 PM (#5699526)
Harvard is a safety school; Columbia and Penn are the dregs

I guess as a marginal attendee of the Best Damn Place, I should agree. In any case, the reduction of American education to one college in Massachusetts, or eight in the Northeast for that matter, is on a par with the reduction of the American economy to the 30 industrials that dlf was critiquing upthread.
   216. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:10 PM (#5699527)
geesh, Trump just wrapped up a rally in SC for I guess some guy who is in a Gov primary tomorrow. folks, he is getting better at these speeches in terms of persuasiveness. the audience is ALL IN. probably a good study for political science majors - though not for the feint of heart. if anyone is content to sit back and assume, "C'mon, no way he gets reelected" - then watch this one, and get active.

he did this during the 2016 campaign at times, too - but as he exits, the closing song is a chorus from The Rolling Stones song

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you might find
You get what you need
   217. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:14 PM (#5699529)
if anyone is content to sit back and assume, "C'mon, no way he gets reelected" - then watch this one, and get active.


Step one is win in 2018. Get enough Democrats in the House and Senate to put some real oversight in place and bring back the checks and balances everyone hoped the GOP types in Congress would exercise (Spoiler: They didn't). 2020 will come soon enough, but don't look past the next election.

In any event, as with most Presidents I think the economy will tell the tale of his reelection. Absent a lovely gift from Mr. Mueller, of course.
   218. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:16 PM (#5699531)
People tend to judge their predicament by taking into account what those in their tribe have and are allowed to do, not by what the ancient Egyptians had--or the present-day peons in Mexico. Brushing aside all such assertions as trivial and demeaning, isn't that what y'all have been saying every time this is raised with reference to your favored group?


I don't consider the idea that someone with a penis he likes to stick in women, white skin, and at least passing familiarity with Jesus has a nice yacht to be much of anything to me.

Despite the fact that I share four of the five traits above with him.

Anybody that does consider this meaningful is not someone I feel I'm well-equipped or possess the patience to 'reach'.

Sorry, but that's just how it is.
   219. BDC Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:22 PM (#5699534)
You have a yacht, zonk?
   220. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:23 PM (#5699535)
geesh, Trump just wrapped up a rally in SC for I guess some guy who is in a Gov primary tomorrow. folks, he is getting better at these speeches in terms of persuasiveness. the audience is ALL IN. probably a good study for political science majors - though not for the feint of heart. if anyone is content to sit back and assume, "C'mon, no way he gets reelected" - then watch this one, and get active.


There's an excellent chance that this is precisely why I really don't give a #### whatever Harvard yada yada Clapper is yammering about or the iconic Cagegate crying child image isn't the top to bottom vetted best possible situation to become a cause celebre.

   221. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:23 PM (#5699536)
You have a yacht, zonk?


Guess again.
   222. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:24 PM (#5699538)
he did this during the 2016 campaign at times, too - but as he exits, the closing song is a chorus from The Rolling Stones song

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you might find
You get what you need


Oh it's great political theatre. Thing is, as numerous Political Science folks smarter than myself have written -- it's not usually one associated with America. You could build a solid thesis examining Trumpism within the context of other contemporary (not Modern...) strongmen. Sarah Kendzior on twitter does a good job in that vein on Twitter.
   223. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:29 PM (#5699541)
Once that circuit was closed; once the will of capital was married to Morty's people's sense of racial grievance and hatred, it's been clockwork, right down to the rest of you telling those of us who live in it that we're "overplaying the race card."


I thought Morty’s people were...what’s the preferred term? “Swamp Mexicans” or something?
   224. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:35 PM (#5699548)
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you might find
You get what you need


With that jaded, faded, junky nurse - oh what pleasant company...

   225. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:39 PM (#5699551)
Oh it's great political theatre. Thing is, as numerous Political Science folks smarter than myself have written -- it's not usually one associated with America. You could build a solid thesis examining Trumpism within the context of other contemporary (not Modern...) strongmen.


I’m not an expert on the history on anything but boxing, but are many of the historical “strong men” as obvious pussies as Donald Trump? I mean how big of a wuss would you have to be to think he’s any sort of tough guy? He’s a fat, pampered blowhard who doesn’t even have the courage to admit that he’s bald.
   226. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:44 PM (#5699552)
   227. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:48 PM (#5699554)
There's an excellent chance that this is precisely why I really don't give a #### whatever Harvard yada yada Clapper is yammering . . .

Pretty much everyone here knew Zonk would find a reason not to care about discrimination against Asians.
   228. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:02 PM (#5699560)

Washington, DC correspondent for the Toronto Star:

Daniel Dale
‏Verified account @ddale8

I don't say this lightly: this is one of the weirdest speeches I've ever seen Trump give.
8:26 PM - 25 Jun 2018
   229. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5699562)
Pretty much everyone here knew Zonk would find a reason not to care about discrimination against Asians.


No, that's why I said "Harvard yada yada" and not "Asian yada yada".

I'm decidedly pro-BDC on Harvard - or at least, his post from the last page on the ridiculousness of HYP worship. It was the only post on the matter I read rather than skimmed.

So Harvard is discriminating against Asians? Bad Harvard, bad. This is probably yet another reason why, as storied an institution as they might be and as many alums they lay claim to that have done great things for the country and even the world, their reputation actually far exceeds the reality of relative higher education merit.

We good?
   230. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5699563)
If you want one (political Democratic Porn) reason why (In reference to the weird Trump speech) - Trump’s Reckless Mistakes Are Driven By Desperate Fear of the Looming Midterms

In almost any sport, there comes a time in the dwindling minutes when a losing team has to start making otherwise ill-advised desperation plays. In football, it’s the onside kick and the hail mary pass; in hockey, it’s pulling the goalie; in basketball, it’s quick fouls and long-shot three pointers. It does work every so often or teams wouldn’t do it. But most of the time it only ends up making matters worse, embarrassing the losing side and rendering the final score even more lopsided than it would otherwise have been.

Donald Trump’s latest maneuvers have a similar whiff of desperation to them, and they are backfiring in similar ways. Trump is well aware of his personal and political peril: the Mueller investigation is closing in on targets ever nearer to the president and his family, his longtime consigliere seems almost ready to turn state’s evidence, his businesses and organizations are being sued, and his cabinet is a hotbed of corruption. Just as Trump has always had to stay a step ahead of his creditors and his victims to avoid disaster throughout his career, so too must he avoid accountability from Congress in the form of investigations and possible impeachment. That means ensuring Republicans stay in control of both the House (where Republicans are actively obstructing justice to protect him from real congressional inquiries) and the Senate (which ultimately has the power to remove him from office pending impeachment in the lower chamber.) Things look dire for the president on that front, with Democrats maintaining a significant edge in generic congressional polling matchup.


More after the link.

Note: I just want to give a shout out to Make America Kittens Again (MAKA) and whoever pointed me to that Chrome extension. Replacing nearly every picture of GOP President Trump with kittens has made my life so much more enjoyable.
   231. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5699567)
folks, he is getting better at these speeches in terms of persuasiveness. the audience is ALL IN.


He's a fascist demagogue feeding this adoring jackboots what they want to hear. This is how republics have fallen since 1920.
   232. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:29 PM (#5699571)
Right. Harvard is a safety school; Columbia and Penn are the dregs.

I lost track of this about 50+ years ago, but is Duke the Princeton of the South, or is Princeton the Duke of New Jersey?

   233. Srul Itza Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:30 PM (#5699573)
In any case, the reduction of American education to one college in Massachusetts,


Actually, we consider ourselves more of an Institute than a college, but thanks for the kind words.
   234. Srul Itza Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5699574)
he is getting better at these speeches in terms of persuasiveness.


You know who else was a very persuasive speaker in front of large rallies . . .


   235. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5699575)
geesh, Trump just wrapped up a rally in SC for I guess some guy who is in a Gov primary tomorrow. folks, he is getting better at these speeches in terms of persuasiveness. the audience is ALL IN.

Wait, when has a Trump audience ever NOT been "ALL IN"?
   236. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5699576)
He's a fascist demagogue feeding this adoring jackboots what they want to hear. This is how republics have fallen since 1920.

this is the speech that, if one is inclined to such a conclusion, is so important. just alerting the people
   237. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5699577)
Charles Pierce gets it.


Agreed. She was given the boot because of her actions, by a private enterprise, which was polite about it and comped their cheese plate. Last I checked businesses get to refuse service in such situations. Are Republicans a protected class now?

Now, I wouldn't have refused her service. I worked in my formative years at a Marriott resort and if I had been voting I would have voted to serve her. But the Red Hen was well within their rights to refuse to serve her, and last I checked "Well, it is legal" was all the justification Trumpkins need for a million different things far more loathsome than this.
   238. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5699578)
If you want one (political Democratic Porn) reason why (In reference to the weird Trump speech) - Trump’s Reckless Mistakes Are Driven By Desperate Fear of the Looming Midterms


I do have a big beef with something in this:


So with November and a dispirited Republican base barreling down at him, Trump decided to make the same play that desperate bank robbers do: he took hostages. Like a classic mob protection racket, he calculated that Democrats would have enough heartbroken empathy for children ripped from their parents’ arms that they would give Trump all his border wall funding and other concessions just to bring an end to the pain and suffering.


Democrats. Have. No. Say.

Prior to the Trumpcages, to get past the January shutdown - the chinless wonder provided a whole day for debate on a DACA measure. Four proposals came up for a vote. Three of the four got majority votes - but not enough to get to 60 and stop debate. The only one that failed miserably - 39-61 - was the "pure Trump" option.

After that, Baron von Nochin said the Senate wouldn't be taking up any more immigration bills this congress.

Other than Sir Wish-I-Had-a-Chin, I actually do think there's a Senate deal to be had.... Multiple combinations of D/R Senators have forwarded bills, outlines of bills, and smaller/limited proposals I could support.

But it doesn't matter. Paul Ryan wants to slink out of town as Speaker, not get ignominiously booted out before the term ends. Therefore, he's going to leave the office the EXACT same way he presided... which is also the exact same way his predecessor presided: Asking the whack caucus to be gentle while they play kickball with his nuts.
   239. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:39 PM (#5699582)
GOP President Trump then ...
Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!


GOP President Trump now ...
The gulf between President Trump’s rhetoric and a thorny geopolitical reality widened a bit further on Friday, when the White House said it would extend a decade-old executive order declaring a national emergency over the nuclear threat from North Korea.

...

“The existence and risk of proliferation of weapons-usable fissile material on the Korean Peninsula and the actions and policies of the government of North Korea continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy and economy of the United States,” read the notice, delivered through the press secretary on Friday.


So, no longer a nuclear threat, or an unusual and extraordinary threat?
   240. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:39 PM (#5699583)
Now, I wouldn't have refused her service. I worked in my formative years at a Marriott resort and if I had been voting I would have voted to serve her.

Hell, I sold books to Pat Buchanan and Joseph Sobran, and even bought them from the Odious Sidney Blumenthal. You gotta be tough to survive in the used book business.

And I would've gladly sold books to Sarah Sanders, too, though if I saw her coming I might've turned up the volume on my favorite Joe Tex CD.
   241. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5699585)
Democrats. Have. No. Say.

Prior to the Trumpcages, to get past the January shutdown - the chinless wonder provided a whole day for debate on a DACA measure. Four proposals came up for a vote. Three of the four got majority votes - but not enough to get to 60 and stop debate. The only one that failed miserably - 39-61 - was the "pure Trump" option.


distill this into a meme and maybe you'll have an argument. anything this complicated comes down to heuristics for the majority of Americans. I'm inclined to agree with the sentiment.
   242. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:41 PM (#5699588)
Democrats. Have. No. Say.



You know that and I know that, at least in the House (where, under the GOP, bills and sense goes to die), but does that really mean Trump knows it? I am positive he believes only evil Democratic Filibusters stand between him and total and well deserved glory.
   243. Srul Itza Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:43 PM (#5699589)
Now, I wouldn't have refused her service. I worked in my formative years at a Marriott resort and if I had been voting I would have voted to serve her.


And then spat in her food.

You can't fool us.
   244. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:46 PM (#5699593)
And then spat in her food.


Yuck. Just ... no.

When I am at work I do my job. They are paying me, and if I am taking their money I am doing the best I can. I am also a bit rules following. Not much of a rebel am I. And also ... yuck.
   245. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 10:47 PM (#5699594)
distill this into a meme and maybe you'll have an argument. anything this complicated comes down to heuristics for the majority of Americans. I'm inclined to agree with the sentiment.


Which is why I'm not bothering and saying to hell with it - crying children and disband ICE vs. Sarah Huckabee Sanders quiet night on the town it is.

If it can't be explained, simplify it to the point of ridiculousness.

At least world class hypnotists/cartoonists will laud me on twitter, well-known Harvard professors will defend me on cable TV, the NYT/WaPo will chide people who bother me at dinner.
   246. tshipman Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:00 PM (#5699598)
Let's remember how shallow these new convictions about civility are on the right.

The Romney campaign discovered McMurray after he declined to host Vice President Joe Biden at his bakery last week. The small business owner “happened to disagree with the president and vice president on a few a things,” he said Wednesday at the campaign event in Roanoke County — where President Obama just one month earlier uttered the now infamous “you didn’t build that“ line, sparking Republican outrage.

Ryan tied McMurray’s remarks back to his opponent. “The president makes these comments that kind of reveals his mindset, his philosophy of government,” he said. “It tells us that he believes in a government-centered society with a government-driven economy.”

   247. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:27 PM (#5699613)
Ahhhh.... the now infamous.

There's probably a good Three Amigoes line here somewhere.
   248. SouthSideRyan Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:46 PM (#5699621)
Would you say it sparked a plethora of outrages?
   249. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:56 PM (#5699624)
Catching up on my reading, I see that Chief Justice Roberts did not give the customary indication that tomorrow would be the last day the Court will be in session, with the traditional announcement that “at that time we will announce all remaining opinions ready during this term of the court.” So, it appears that the remaining 4 decisions will be spread out over two days, rather than all being issued tomorrow. Unless Roberts botched the script. Tune in tomorrow at 10:00 AM for more.
   250. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 26, 2018 at 12:08 AM (#5699626)
The Romney campaign discovered McMurray after he declined to host Vice President Joe Biden at his bakery last week.

Declining to host a campaign event isn't really the same as kicking out a paying customer, and then following her to another establishment to organize a demonstration there, but I can see why some might want to fuzz up the difference. Embracing incivility is unlikely to work out well for the Dems, but a mob seldom sees a problem with being a mob, until it's too late.
   251. tshipman Posted: June 26, 2018 at 12:21 AM (#5699627)
Declining to host a campaign event isn't really the same as kicking out a paying customer, and then following her to another establishment to organize a demonstration there, but I can see why some might want to fuzz up the difference. Embracing incivility is unlikely to work out well for the Dems, but a mob seldom sees a problem with being a mob, until it's too late.


Right, right. Your side is allowed to discriminate, but you don't want others to do the same to you.

It's totally different.
   252. Michael Paulionis Posted: June 26, 2018 at 12:54 AM (#5699633)
Wow, I just realized how divided the BBTF populous was! Here I was thinking the whole Baseball-Americana aspect of the site would mean less members were left-leaning. Glad to see I was wrong. I'm just going to include this well-known monologue from one of my favorite actors in a film from one of my favorite directors based on a book by one of my favorite socialist-friendly authors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_hFTR6qyEo&frags=pl,wn

I find it relevant.
   253. Jay Z Posted: June 26, 2018 at 02:20 AM (#5699637)
Wow, I just realized how divided the BBTF populous was! Here I was thinking the whole Baseball-Americana aspect of the site would mean less members were left-leaning. Glad to see I was wrong. I'm just going to include this well-known monologue from one of my favorite actors in a film from one of my favorite directors based on a book by one of my favorite socialist-friendly authors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_hFTR6qyEo&frags=pl,wn

I find it relevant.


I suppose I should say welcome to OTP, but...

Leave. For your own sake. While you still can. Leave this festering, God forsaken hell hole of the Internet. Find some shred of hope in your soul, grab onto it. Do not look back.

But if you choose to stay, welcome!!!!!
   254. perros Posted: June 26, 2018 at 04:55 AM (#5699641)
Here I was thinking the whole Baseball-Americana aspect of the site would mean less members were left-leaning. Glad to see I was wrong.


Steer clear of the catcher throwing lanes.
   255. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2018 at 05:23 AM (#5699642)
He's a fascist demagogue feeding this adoring jackboots what they want to hear. This is how republics have fallen since 1920.

this is the speech that, if one is inclined to such a conclusion, is so important. just alerting the people


We are fortunate that his fervent followers tend to be an unimposing mix of pussies and the elderly.
   256. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2018 at 05:26 AM (#5699643)
I suppose I should say welcome to OTP, but...


...you’re probably a sock puppet.
   257. perros Posted: June 26, 2018 at 05:30 AM (#5699644)
We are fortunate that his fervent followers tend to be an unimposing mix of pussies and the elderly.


Sam knows how to pick his targets.
   258. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2018 at 05:47 AM (#5699646)
Declining to host a campaign event isn't really the same as kicking out a paying customer, and then following her to another establishment to organize a demonstration there, but I can see why some might want to fuzz up the difference. Embracing incivility is unlikely to work out well for the Dems, but a mob seldom sees a problem with being a mob, until it's too late.

Right, right. Your side is allowed to discriminate, but you don't want others to do the same to you.


What is the greater injustice to a Trumpholster?

A) Losing you job for not supporting the Republican candidate

B) Free cheese plate

The answer will surprise you!
   259. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 26, 2018 at 06:00 AM (#5699647)

Bar bans classless attire

The post was accompanied with a photo of a red hat reading Make America Great Again and an image of a man with facial tattoos.


Harsh but fair.

   260. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:11 AM (#5699656)
This would break poor Clapper.

Flake threatens Trump again on judicial nominees

Sen. Jeff Flake warned that he and a "number of senators," are prepared to block President Donald Trump's judicial nominees if there is no action in the Senate on tariffs and other key issues.

...

Currently, Republicans hold a slight majority on the committee, 11-10, which Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley has noted could pose a problem for passing nominees if even one Republican chose not to vote.
   261. BDC Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:15 AM (#5699658)
Sen. Jeff Flake warned that he and a "number of senators," are prepared to block President Donald Trump's judicial nominees

I'm not hanging by my thumbs. It's good that Flake and occasionally Corker and others have said critical things, but they always come round to work with Trump on right-wing agenda items – and understandably, because they're conservatives.
   262. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:19 AM (#5699659)
Sen. Jeff Flake warned that he and a "number of senators," are prepared to block President Donald Trump's judicial nominees if there is no action in the Senate on tariffs and other key issues.

Pardon my cynicism, but I'll believe it when I see it.
   263. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:22 AM (#5699660)
Unfortunate link title on CNN:

Catholic church suspends rapping priest

'The use of rap music is not allowed in preaching,' Catholic Church suspends rapping priest

A priest has been suspended by the Catholic church in Kenya for rapping his sermons.

On a typical Sunday at the St. Monica Catholic Church in south west Kenya, Father Ogalo would be draped in his usual church vestments for morning mass.

Later in the day, he would change into shorts, a long t-shirt and tie a red bandana tied around his head, spitting hip-hop rhymes into his mic as he entertained his congregation.

But his unconventional preaching style has landed him in hot water with Catholic Church heads.

Father Ogalo says he was simply trying to "bring the youth closer to the church," in an interview with local media.
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.
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"Yes, the church has taken disciplinary measure against Father Ogalo. The use of rap music is not allowed in preaching," he said.

The priest has been given a one year break to look into his ways before coming back to the church."

"We have just barred him from preaching using rap music to allow him time to change his ways," Anyolo said.


What a bunch of humorless buddy-duddies.
   264. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:27 AM (#5699662)
Declining to host a campaign event isn't really the same as kicking out a paying customer, and then following her to another establishment to organize a demonstration there, but I can see why some might want to fuzz up the difference. Embracing incivility is unlikely to work out well for the Dems, but a mob seldom sees a problem with being a mob, until it's too late.


Oy.

And here I've been paying for my meals like an IDIOT when I could just proclaimed them campaign events!
   265. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:30 AM (#5699663)
Wow, I just realized how divided the BBTF populous was! Here I was thinking the whole Baseball-Americana aspect of the site would mean less members were left-leaning. Glad to see I was wrong.

Let's put it this way: Most of us here like Hank Aaron even more than we did before reading this. People here are all over the lot politically in normal times, but when it comes to defending the indefensible, this isn't Staten Island. Don't be discouraged by the hardcore Trumpites who try to pass themselves off as conservatives. They're no more conservative than the late George Wallace.

Oh, and it's always nice to see a fan of Daniel Day-Lewis and his best film. Stick around for the movie discussions if nothing else.
   266. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:55 AM (#5699667)
Uh-oh....

Headlines are using the 'R' word...

Trump’s trade war triggers recession fears
   267. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:17 AM (#5699672)
The idea that the left owes the right “civility” while the right is free to do or say anything is obviously bullshit. Clapper is just concerned someone might realize what a ####### #### he is and kick him out of a dinner.
   268. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:27 AM (#5699675)
No, it's not.

I can search the history if you want, but I'm virtually certain I said that Flynn's sentencing was being delayed because he's a cooperating witness and that Mueller wasn't finished with his cooperation yet, wherever that might be (more questions as necessary from further investigation, potentially new information that he hasn't been cooperating as honestly or completely as his plea agreement states he would, whatever).
So remind us: Who at the Bureau conducted the interview of Flynn? Peter...?
OTOH, it's clear that by stating that they are ready to proceed to sentencing - Mueller has already gotten what he needs for the broader case from Papadopolous. What that is, exactly - I presume we'll find out this fall. Further, despite your Juannity turn - I would say that the fact that BOTH Mueller and George's attorneys are ready to proceed to sentencing means... precisely what it means.

Unless you want to argue that George's attorneys are in on a massive coverup and conspiracy... which I'm sure you will by the time he's sentenced.
Papadopoulos' attorneys wouldn't have known that the FBI agent interviewing him may have had a reason to set up their client.

And with your continuous praying for Trump-Russia to yield ANYTHING, it seems at this point that you're the one peddling the massive conspiracy theory.
   269. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:29 AM (#5699676)
Clapper is just concerned


He's very concerned.

   270. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:33 AM (#5699679)
Papadopoulos' attorneys wouldn't have known that the FBI agent interviewing him may have had a reason to set up their client.


Good thing we're all keeping it secret from them, otherwise - they might not be so agreeable to set a date for sentencing!

And with your continuous praying for Trump-Russia to yield ANYTHING, it seems at this point that you're the one peddling the massive conspiracy theory.


Anything? Like... Inmate no. 45343?

   271. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5699680)
Anything? Like... Inmate no. 45343?
Just curious: Do you take your morning stooopid pills orally or up the chute?
   272. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:36 AM (#5699681)
Do you take your morning stooopid pills orally or up the chute?


I don't take them where Inmate no. 45343 takes them - in prison!
   273. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:38 AM (#5699682)
Good thing we're all keeping it secret from them, otherwise - they might not be so agreeable to set a date for sentencing!
Huh? It was just reported yesterday that the unnamed, biased FBI attorney described in the IG report was the one who interviewed Papadopoulos.
   274. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:41 AM (#5699683)
Huh? It was just reported yesterday that the unnamed, biased attorney described in the IG report was the one who interviewed Papadopoulos.


And yet still no word that George's attorneys have petitioned or otherwise moved to refute the three sentences last week where Mueller and George's attorneys said they are ready for sentencing...
   275. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5699686)
Headlines are using the 'R' word...

Trump’s trade war triggers recession fears


Not that the trade wars and tariffs help anything, but they are pretty small beer in terms of the overall economy. They might hurt business confidence and consumer confidence though.
If Trumps takes some concessions and declares victory, it can still be not a big deal. I hope he does.

Presidents usually don't really effect the economy much. The tax cut was mistimed, the tariffs don't help, but we are in the 8th year of expansion and it was bound to peter out of some point.

Once again, check out the yield curve. Doesn't look good. Yield curve
   276. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5699687)
And yet still no word that George's attorneys have petitioned or otherwise moved to refute the three sentences last week where Mueller and George's attorneys said they are ready for sentencing...
LOL. The story isn't even a day old and its contents have yet to be confirmed.
   277. perros Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5699688)
The idea that the left owes the right “civility” while the right is free to do or say anything is obviously bullshit.


Watch those false binaries.

More simply -- don't declare people who should be allies -- workers, the disenfrachised, those screwed by the socioeconomic system, twice Obama voters, once Trumpsters -- enemies. If you really want to duke it out -- here, for instance -- do it with people of your own class emnity.

I suspect you already follow this rule, but shrink the enemy before resorting to means you feel justified.
   278. McCoy Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:51 AM (#5699689)
Watch those false binaries.

More simply -- don't declare people who should be allies -- workers, the disenfrachised, those screwed by the socioeconomic system, twice Obama voters, once Trumpsters -- enemies. If you really want to duke it out -- here, for instance -- do it with people of your own class 'enemies'.

I suspect you already follow this rule, but shrink the enemy before resorting to means you feel justified.


I don't really understand this. What the Democrats have done since the 2016 election has worked and is working. Republicans are getting thumped left and right in special elections. Polling indicates that come 2018 most people are buying into the Democrats' messaging.

The truly screwed tend to vote for the outsider who gives them hope. They also tend to turn on them once they are in power because, surprise-surprise, they are still truly screwed 2 years and 4 years later.
   279. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5699690)
If Trumps takes some concessions and declares victory, it can still be not a big deal. I hope he does.


The problem is that nobody seems all that interested in offering concessions... Of course, we're talking about a guy who started a bromance with little rocket man by giving him the biggest diplomatic concession of the DPRK's existence and declared victory, so I imagine it's more a matter of Trump saying he got concessions even if he didn't really get any.

FTR, though - I agree... all expansions come to an end. Doesn't mean it isn't painfully obvious politics to hang a recession around the neck of a President, especially one whose policies have actively worked to hasten it - however limited that impact might be.

   280. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5699691)
Watch those false binaries.


Thanks, Sophomore Year Pony Tail Guy.
   281. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:55 AM (#5699692)
You know who else takes stoooid pills every morning? This woman:
Liberals are using their cultural power against the right because it’s the only power they have left, and people have a desperate need to say, and to hear others say, that what is happening in this country is intolerable.
It's the only power they have left? LMFAO.
   282. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5699696)
Right, right. Your side is allowed to discriminate, but you don't want others to do the same to you.

It's totally different.
Right. It's actually totally different.
   283. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5699698)
LOL. The story isn't even a day old and its contents have yet to be confirmed.


Yes, yes...

I'm sure it will end up just like famed UCI Carter Page, one of your many Ah-HA! nuggets that turned out like the rest of the orange pyrite.

Bold prediction: Papadopolous' sentencing moves forward as both parties have agreed and you move on to the next shiny Ah-HA! while Inmate no. 45343 is joined by ever more Trump campaign apparatchiks.
   284. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5699699)
It's the only power they have left?


I think he's actually become less intelligent than Joey B was. His collapse into utter ####### moronicism is unparalleled.
   285. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5699700)

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never! Their employees and customers are already very angry at them. If they move, watch, it will be the beginning of the end - they surrendered, they quit! The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!
7:17 AM - Jun 26, 2018
   286. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:03 AM (#5699703)
Bold prediction: Papadopolous' sentencing moves forward as both parties have agreed and you move on to the next shiny Ah-HA! while Inmate no. 45343 is joined by ever more Trump campaign apparatchiks.
You still want to believe that Manafort is being prosecuted because of Trump campaign work. It's so adorable.

As for Papadopoulos, we'll see what comes of this report and whether the attorney in question was anywhere near as crooked as Strzok.
   287. perros Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5699705)

Thanks, Sophomore Year Pony Tail Guy

No problem, Internet Tough Guy.
   288. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:05 AM (#5699706)
You still want to believe that Manafort is being prosecuted because of Trump campaign work. It's so adorable.


That would be former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort... a/k/a Inmate No. 45343, right?
   289. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:06 AM (#5699707)
As for Papadopoulos, we'll see what comes of this report and whether the attorney in question was as crooked as Strzok.


Called it.
   290. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5699708)
Called it.
I'm clearly referring to the FBI attorney, Kevin Clinesmith, genius.
   291. BDC Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5699709)
A Harley-Davidson should never be built in another country-never!

Wikipedia: "Harley-Davidson manufactures its motorcycles at factories in York, Pennsylvania; Milwaukee, Wisconsin; Kansas City, Missouri (closing); Manaus, Brazil; and Bawal, India."

As we often say here, the entire concept of nationally-based industries is generations out of date. Is there any American manufacturer that is completely uni- or intra-national? (Whatever the opposite of multinational may be.) Speaking of Kansas City, where I spent last weekend, I thought of Russell Stover, which apparently still makes all of its last-resort chocolate boxes in the US: but of course any chocolatier is going to import raw materials. And looking them up, Russell Stover is evidently now owned by the Swiss company Lindt.
   292. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5699711)
I'm clearly referring to the FBI attorney, genius.


OK. Well, for you - we'll start a "Papadopolous' attorneys move to dismiss plea; charges" watch.

Day One.

   293. McCoy Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:11 AM (#5699714)
As we often say here, the entire concept of nationally-based industries is generations out of date. Is there any American manufacturer that is completely uni- or intra-national? (Whatever the opposite of multinational may be.) Speaking of Kansas City, where I spent last weekend, I thought of Russell Stover, which apparently still makes all of its last-resort chocolate boxes in the US: but of course any chocolatier is going to import raw materials. And looking them up, Russell Stover is evidently now owned by the Swiss company Lindt.

Where does My Pillow get their materials?
   294. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:11 AM (#5699715)
Is there any American manufacturer that is completely uni- or intra-national?


Sad but true -

Even the Trump Bullshit Manufacturing has plants in Russia... Or are they Russian plants in the US? Both, I guess.
   295. dlf Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:13 AM (#5699717)
Once again, check out the yield curve. Doesn't look good. Yield curve


There was a good article in the NYT discussing the yield curve for non investment professionals a day or two ago. Its worth searching out.
   296. Lassus Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5699720)
is evidently now owned by the Swiss company Lindt.

Lindt is my favorite chocolate.
   297. Stormy JE Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5699721)
OK. Well, for you - we'll start a "Papadopolous' attorneys move to dismiss plea; charges" watch.

Day One.
Wow, you really don't have much of a life up there.
   298. McCoy Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:22 AM (#5699722)
You'll never be wrong when predicting demise as eventually everything dies but there is some serious gray area in predicting a recession via a the yield curve. I mean it could take a year or more for the curve to invert and it could take another 2 years after that for us to have a recession or we could be in a recession by next January.
   299. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5699725)
There was a good article in the NYT discussing the yield curve for non investment professionals a day or two ago. Its worth searching out.


I think you're speaking of this one...

Read it yesterday - and was thinking "Hey, this is what that dlf and traderdave guys keep talking about" :-)
   300. perros Posted: June 26, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5699727)
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