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OTP 2018 March 19: Spending bill could quash Minor League Baseball players’ wage claims

A massive government spending bill that Congress is expected to consider this week could include a provision exempting Minor League Baseball players from federal labor laws, according to three congressional officials familiar with the talks.

The exemption would represent the culmination of more than two years of lobbying by Major League Baseball, which has sought to preempt a spate of lawsuits that have been filed by minor leaguers alleging they have been illegally underpaid.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

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   501. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5640703)
No ray, you see, he has principles and considers politics more than just a zero sum, "winner take all" game. We are all losing when a major media outlet turns into a propaganda arm for a dimwitted madman with authoritarian and kleptocratic instincts.


Forget it Jake, it's Trumpkin Town ...
   502. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5640704)
No ray, you see, he has principles and considers politics more than just a zero sum, "winner take all" game. We are all losing when a major media outlet turns into a propaganda arm for a dimwitted madman with authoritarian and kleptocratic instincts.


How does it violate his principles to go on and give his opinions? If anything the _more_ principled thing to do here would be to continue to go on and challenge the party line of the network. Geraldo doesn't seem to have a hard time doing that.

But, then, Peters is a man who cheated on his wife. So principles appear to be in short supply with him.

   503. Traderdave Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5640706)
But, then, Peters is a man who cheated on his wife. So principles appear to be in short supply with him.



But that doesn't count if he wins the Electoral College, right?
   504. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5640707)
I've seen a lot of the country. Top of my list right now is probably Big Bend in Texas, and I'd like to do the Copper Canyon train ride in Northern Mexico. I'll have to plan that before the wall goes up, I suppose.


That train ride looks amazing, wow.

As for the US, I've seen a lot of it, only a few states left to hit. I've gotta do a Maine coast visit, a West Texas and NM visit and hit up Southern California and Moab. That's about it though. Out of all the places I've seen, including the Grand Canyon, Rocky Mountain National Park, North Cascades National Park, Key West, Badlands, Smoky Mountains National Park, Outer Banks, Flagstaff, and so on the two places that stick out are the rainforest on the Olympic Peninsula and San Padre Island (and the Outer Banks to be fair) down by Galveston. What can I say, I'm partial to big bodies of water and sand. Some parts of NW Michigan are a good stand in, like the Leelanau Peninsula., but growing up there it lost some of the uniqueness that still hits me around the PNW and elsewhere.
   505. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5640708)
nice, when I drove out west I went through the UP. I almost hit a couple deer driving on 2 through the middle of the night in late october but it was totally worth it for the lifetime Sujan Stevens "the Upper Peninsula" vibes. I drove until Fargo,


Bzzzzt. 2 doesn’t go through Fargo. It goes through Grand Forks. I lived there for 3 years, and drove 2 to work every day.
   506. greenback slays lewks Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5640710)
Gotta go to Vegas and decide it should be burned to the ground.

Why would you need to go there to figure that out?

A quick trip over to Death Valley in December convinced me that Las Vegas should remain standing. Vegas is useful as a hub for some of the natural scenery. The casinos though were bleak as hell to me.
   507. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:40 PM (#5640711)
But, then, Peters is a man who cheated on his wife. So principles appear to be in short supply with him.


Wait ... was it his 3rd wife?

And had she just given birth to a son, only a couple of months before?

Sheeeeeeeeeit ... that might be considered disqualifying ...
   508. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:44 PM (#5640712)
Bzzzzt. 2 doesn’t go through Fargo. It goes through Grand Forks. I lived there for 3 years, and drove 2 to work every day.


Not sure when I left 2 but it was whatever the GPS said, and that went through Fargo after getting on 94. I had a map but just looking at the google map now didn't ring any bells on when I excited 2. In general, as a Michigander 2 is mostly just known for being absolutely dead straight and a "tree tunnel" through the Yooper. What it does west of Iron Mountain I have no clue. That's as far as we got as kids on a family long summer weekend drive. Iron Mountain was a pretty cool place, at least as a kid. Had cool mining history, waterfalls, hiking.
   509. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:49 PM (#5640713)
I think I've driven across the country maybe 8 times. I've gone across on I-10 through El Paso, I-40 through Amarillo, I-70 through Kansas, and I-90 through South Dakota. I've also done a long North-to-South, from Vermont to Key West in 2 days. My favorite road is Route 50 through Nevada. California's Route 1 is probably the best, though. I've done that drive through the UP and the loop through Canada, but that was done in the middle of the night and I learned nothing at all about those areas.


I’ve done 10 from LA to Jacksonville. Entire length.

I’ve done 40 from OKC to Barstow.

I’ve done 70 from Pittsburgh to Indianapolis, and then St Louis to grand Junction, Co.

I’ve done 80 from NJ to Salt Lake City.

I’ve done 90 from Buffalo to Rapid City, and again from Billings to Missoula

I’ve done 94 from Detroit to Billings, nearly entire length.

   510. tshipman Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:54 PM (#5640715)
or if FOX News _is_ that bad then so is MSNBC and CNN on the flip side.


lol
   511. PreservedFish Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5640716)

I’ve done 40 from OKC to Barstow.


I did I-40 from OKC to Needles in a single day. That's a little bit over 1,000 miles. That's my solo record. The whole trip was Charlottesville to Oakland. It wasn't all that fast. I lingered a bit in Tennessee for BBQ and music.
   512. PreservedFish Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5640717)
Dubs
   513. tshipman Posted: March 20, 2018 at 10:58 PM (#5640718)
Furthest North: Fairbanks, AK
Furthest South: Macao SAR (Had to check a few places on a map! This one was pretty close)
Furthest East: Tokyo, Japan
Furthest West: Hawaii
   514. PreservedFish Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:10 PM (#5640719)
What's Macao like?
   515. tshipman Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:19 PM (#5640721)
What's Macao like?


Weird. I was there consulting on the high-roller experience for one of the casinos, so I barely saw anything of the outside world while I was there.

It's a mix of old Portuguese people who are rapidly disappearing and, native mestizos and mainlanders. The casinos import people from provincial mainland cities so there are all these unhappy, lonely, young Chinese people who are often separated from each other by dialect and pride. You get the sense that the most ruthless people are the ones who thrive.

There's tons of money and shockingly different manners. I was in a tea room drinking some of the most pristine first-cut dragon well tea I've ever had that the casino charged some ridiculous amount for, and the guy next to me spat on the carpet. An aforementioned unhappy young person quickly went to clean it up. The spitter never even noticed and five minutes later hocked another one right in the same spot.

Food scene is amazing, though. Some of the best, most creative food I've ever eaten.
   516. Shredder Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:21 PM (#5640722)
They've been trying to extend the freeway up through Petoskey (and to Mackinac eventually) for at least 40 years. It's still just two lane highway (now with a STOP LIGHT for Bay Harbor folks) once you get north of Gaylord on the west side of Michigan.
Which freeway are you talking about? 131? Although I take 131 from Grand Rapids about six times every summer, fortunately I get off at 113, which is only a few miles after it becomes a 2 lane road. Easy drive from GR to 113. From there, it's about another 10-15 minutes to Kingsley, so not really a bad drive at all. The rest of the way to Mackinac would probably suck though.
   517. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:22 PM (#5640723)
Ray calls a Lt. Colonel "dude," #498:
Dude. All you had to say was I quit.

But of course, him quitting over this makes little sense, other than as a way to grandstand. He's called on to this network to offer his... opinions. So if his opinion is as laid out above then that's the opinion he should give when asked about Russia or Trump or porn stars. If he gets fired or no longer invited on then that's one thing, but to quit over that is another. It's not like FOX News is the KKK Network where you wouldn't want to appear as an analyst -- or if FOX News _is_ that bad then so is MSNBC and CNN on the flip side.
+
#502:
How does it violate his principles to go on and give his opinions? If anything the _more_ principled thing to do here would be to continue to go on and challenge the party line of the network. Geraldo doesn't seem to have a hard time doing that.

But, then, Peters is a man who cheated on his wife. So principles appear to be in short supply with him.

Go get 'im, Ray. The messenger hasn't been attacked this hard since Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.
   518. PreservedFish Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5640724)
I was there consulting on the high-roller experience for one of the casinos


That sure sounds like a dream job. Need a partner on the east coast?
   519. Shredder Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:28 PM (#5640725)
I feel like at least one cross-country road trip is basically obligatory for Americans.
Agree with this as well. Used to take a trip with a college friend every year for about six years. Of all the trips we took, we only stayed one night in a hotel room. Every other night we either stayed with friends and family, or camped. And by camped I mean found our campsite, set up the tent, started a fire, and drank about a 12 pack each.

First one was only a few days, LA to Mammoth, through Yosemite (camped in the park), over to Santa Cruz, and back home. Second one was LA to Bloomington, IN and back. Third was LA to New Mexico, up to the Dakotas, over to Seattle, and back down (about 5k miles). Then because we had limited time, our last few were shorter. Utah parks (Cedar Breaks, Zion, Arches). Next was up north to Lassen, Lava Beds, Crater Lake, down to Redwoods, San Francisco, and home. Finally we did Colorado, Utah, Nevada, including Mesa Verde and Great Basin. So much to see out west if you have the time to do it.

A friend of mine pulled his kids out of school last year and home schooled while they rented an RV and basically drove all around the country. Great experience for those kids.
   520. OCF Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5640726)
My list is pretty dull.
Furthest North: at cruising altitude somewhere over the Atlantic. If you require being on land, then Frankfurt.
Furthest South: Kauai
Furthest East: Vienna
Furthest West: Kauai

If you take away one long-ago European trip and two Hawaiian vacations, then you get:
North: Orcas Island, WA
South: Miami
East: Acadia NP, ME
West: Neah Bay, WA

Longest drive: Los Angeles area to Boston, and back. Took 6 days each way. I-40 - I-44 - I-70 with some variation in the northeast.
   521. PreservedFish Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:40 PM (#5640728)
A friend of mine pulled his kids out of school last year and home schooled while they rented an RV and basically drove all around the country. Great experience for those kids.


A long-time fantasy of mine. Years (decades) before I was thinking about having children I had already decided that I would do this.

I also want to do a year-long trip abroad. Oh, you know, a month in Australia, month in Thailand, month in Italy, month in Buenos Aires, nbd.

Hope I have the money/balls to make it happen. The kids are now 6 and 3. I'm thinking that when they reach 9 and 6 I have a 3-4 year window to get it done. Too young, and they don't remember it, don't enjoy it, and ruin my own enjoyment with their tantrums. Too old, and they've got their own #### to worry about and they might not want to go and they might hate us anyway.

edit > I like how 10 minutes after asking tshipman for a job, I unveil my plans to spend 2 entire years not working.
   522. Shredder Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:42 PM (#5640731)
I did I-40 from OKC to Needles in a single day. That's a little bit over 1,000 miles. That's my solo record. The whole trip was Charlottesville to Oakland. It wasn't all that fast. I lingered a bit in Tennessee for BBQ and music.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. 40 is just awful. I've done LA to Illinois (or vice versa) a few times, and I've realized that the further south you go, the worse it gets. 80 wasn't terrible, and was preferably because you miss the terrible parts of 70 (Denver east), which is nothing but corn and signs for the world's largest prairie dog and six legged cows until you get to about Topeka, where you finally start to see trees again. But 40 was just dirt. It also happened to be part of my longest day, at roughly 1,000 miles. Oklahoma City to Tucson. I was driving back to LA for the summer, and was going to take three days to get to Tucson to visit my brother for a few days. Champaign to OKC was a record (750 miles) that lasted one day. The next day I got to Las Cruces, about 200 miles from Tuscon. I figured it was easier to drive another 3 hours instead of stay at a motel. It worked out, but that was a tough last 200 miles.
   523. tshipman Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5640732)
That sure sounds like a dream job. Need a partner on the east coast?


That company went out of business :)

It was a dream job in a lot of ways, and there were experiences that I'll remember forever. Like with any job, there's stuff you don't think about before you do it that make it less desirable than it sounds. On it's best day it was pretty darn good, though.

Coolest story from Macao:
Okay, so the whole game in Macao is Baccarat. Everyone plays punto/banco, not chemin de fer, and unlike Vegas, which focuses on the grind segment, the high roller is king. So there are thousands upon thousands of tables in Macao, quite often sitting empty. The whole game is that casinos offer more and more exclusive tables. So if you gamble this much, you can sit here, if you have this bankroll, you can sit there. So on and so forth.

So I was supposed to consult on this "secret" casino inside the casino, on the 40th floor of one of the hotels. I couldn't find the damn place, though. I kept asking staff members and none of them had ever heard of it either. I finally found it by looking on Foursquare, of all places, where someone had checked in to it.

So my partner and I approached the elevator, expecting to be turned away because it was allegedly invitation only. For whatever reason, we weren't and we kept going up top. There were about 20 tables, one blackjack and 19 Bac tables, all completely empty of patrons, each staffed with a dealer and a table supervisor, sitting at attention. There was a cage in the middle of the room with three cashiers, all not doing a thing, and a full service restaurant, again, completely empty.

It was an odd scene, to say the least.

So my partner and I get chips from the cage and walk over to the pit. The cashier was a very attractive woman who spoke flawless English with the sexiest accent I've ever heard--my partner said she was a very upper crust, well-educated Singaporean. The tables were a 10K minimum, and again, completely empty except for staff. I start looking around the room, trying to sort of feel out where to sit.

The pit boss came over and asked me if she could help. I said something like that I was trying to see which table looked lucky. She kind of gave a half-laugh, and gave some kind of command that I didn't catch to the dealers. All of them started dealing out hands, simultaneously, again, with nobody sitting down at them. I found one that dealt a 9 up to the banker hand and sat down. Within seconds, an absolutely stunning woman in a beautiful cheongsam with a slit cut up to her hip came by to offer tea service.

I gambled for two hours on the 40th floor at this secret casino without another patron to be seen.
   524. PreservedFish Posted: March 20, 2018 at 11:56 PM (#5640733)
I'm sorry you had to go through that. 40 is just awful.


I enjoyed it just fine, I kind of like desolate landscapes and I had just purchased erstwhile Primer top album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and remember listening to it two or three times during the drive. Or maybe that was when I had first bought Anodyne. Anyway, something like that. The frontier is still exciting to me, especially with a proper soundtrack.
   525. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 12:00 AM (#5640734)
Great story, tshipman. I enjoy stories of insane luxury.
   526. OCF Posted: March 21, 2018 at 12:21 AM (#5640738)
I-40 definitely has some interesting stuff, especially in Arizona, if you've got the time to pull off the road for a bit. Meteor Crater; Petrified Forest/Painted Desert; and then from Flagstaff, the ultimate side trip to the Grand Canyon.

When I first moved to California, I drove from Austin along I-10. In a car with no AC. In August. (Started each day around 4 AM; quit by noon or shortly after. One of those predawns, westward from Las Cruces, wound up requiring the car heater.)
   527. greenback slays lewks Posted: March 21, 2018 at 12:40 AM (#5640739)
Furthest East: Vienna

Huh, me too:

Furthest North: Kotzebue, Alaska -- kitschy tourist thing so you can say you've been north of the Arctic Circle
Furthest South: Maui
Furthest East: Vienna
Furthest West: Nome -- same kitschy tourist trip

My dad and I drove the entire length of the Alaska Highway and back. Just getting to Dawson Creek should have been enough. For some odd reason we considered taking the Dalton Highway to... somewhere. I'm not sure where, because there was no freaking way we were making it to the Arctic Ocean.

Denali is worth the Alaska trip by itself. The Russian Orthodox churches are cool too.
   528. Shredder Posted: March 21, 2018 at 12:49 AM (#5640740)
I-40 definitely has some interesting stuff, especially in Arizona, if you've got the time to pull off the road for a bit. Meteor Crater; Petrified Forest/Painted Desert; and then from Flagstaff, the ultimate side trip to the Grand Canyon.
I was gone by then. I knew I should have made a left at Albuquerque, and I did!

I made mostly the same drive on the way back, except I drove through San Diego and across I-8 to Tucson. Then at Las Cruces, instead of heading up to Albuquerque, I went diagonally through White Sands, Alamogordo, Ruidoso, Roswell, and hit 40 at Amarillo. Fewer miles, but about the same amount of time, and a much prettier drive. The next day on I-44 around Joplin, something with my car didn't feel right. I chalked it up to being in a different state with different highway maintenance. About 15 minutes later, my back right tire exploded, and sent me spinning at 75 mph, eventually coasting to a stop in the median (fortunately very wide and shallow at that spot). First thing thought, after watching my life pass before my eyes was "Damn, this is gonna cost me three hours".
   529. -- Posted: March 21, 2018 at 05:59 AM (#5640742)
dismiss facts and empirical reality to launch profoundly dishonest assaults on the FBI, the Justice Department, the courts, the intelligence community (in which I served) and, not least, a model public servant and genuine war hero such as Robert Mueller


No idea what Fox News is saying about them, since I haven't watched Fox News since ... well, really ever ... but there are of course many valid criticisms of each of the listed people and entities to be had and made.
   530. -- Posted: March 21, 2018 at 06:02 AM (#5640743)
Then again, if I just want to look at something Donald Trump has ######, I can always check out an immigration center, the polar ice cap, or my children's retirement fund.


Hey, it's not Trump's fault you listened to Paul Krugman on Election Night. Trump's the best sex my retirement funds have had in quite some time.
   531. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 21, 2018 at 06:20 AM (#5640744)
SBB, #530:
or my children's retirement fund.

Trump's the best sex my retirement funds have had in quite some time.



I profusely thank God every day that you're not my child.
   532. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 06:58 AM (#5640745)
Dude. All you had to say was I quit.
He didn't "have to" say anything. He wanted to say something. Which he did.
But of course, him quitting over this makes little sense, other than as a way to grandstand.
Um, I think the appropriate response here is "Whoosh!"

Peters: "I want to make a point."
Ray: "You didn't have to make that point! You just wanted to!"
   533. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:01 AM (#5640746)
It's not like FOX News is the KKK Network where you wouldn't want to appear as an analyst -- or if FOX News _is_ that bad then so is MSNBC and CNN on the flip side.
No, Mr. Whatabout. They aren't. They're not acting as propaganda outlets for incompetent authoritarian buffoons. They may be shoddy journalistic enterprises, but they're not Pravda.
   534. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:03 AM (#5640747)
How does it violate his principles to go on and give his opinions?
People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do. (If Mike Emeigh were still around, he'd get the reference immediately.)

But, then, Peters is a man who cheated on his wife. So principles appear to be in short supply with him.
Ray appears to have fabricated this slanderous ad hominem argument. (That rang no bells with me, so I've googled it in multiple ways, and can find no support for it anywhere.)
   535. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:08 AM (#5640748)

Hope I have the money/balls to make it happen.
Billy Beane should never have written that book.
   536. BrianBrianson Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:21 AM (#5640750)
Furthest North: at cruising altitude somewhere over the Atlantic. If you require being on land, then Frankfurt.


Yeah, that'd be a cheat - otherwise I'd probably say pretty much North Pole for farthest North, East, and West. Personally, I'd require "leaving the aeroport" when I talk about where I've been - is the hour and a half I spent in Reykjavik aeroport meaningful travel? I don't feel like it.

Farthest North: Birsay
Farthest South: Kona
Farthest West: :Juyong Pass (though I realise a lot of people would call it east, I certainly went by travelling west)
Farthest East: Mount of Beatitudes

I guess I gotta find time to go south.
   537. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:23 AM (#5640751)
leaving the aeroport
I would support the death penalty for anyone who spells airport that way.


EDIT: For the purpose of counting states/countries I've visited, I exclude airport layovers; for the purpose of discussing how far N/S/E/W I've been, I'd include them (although that's purely hypothetical, as none of my 'achievements' in those areas turn on airport stays.)
   538. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:29 AM (#5640752)
leaving the aeroport


To the Prussian consulate in Siam?
   539. BrianBrianson Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:30 AM (#5640753)
Hyper-corrected Canadian English is the best spelling for English.

OED is the worst.
   540. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:38 AM (#5640754)
leaving the aeroport

To the Prussian consulate in Siam?

No, to the Corean embassy in Chili.
   541. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:38 AM (#5640755)
Farthest North: Helsinki
Farthest South: New Zealand
Farthest West: San Francisco
Farthest East: New Zealand
   542. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:38 AM (#5640757)
I-40 definitely has some interesting stuff, especially in Arizona, if you've got the time to pull off the road for a bit. Meteor Crater; Petrified Forest/Painted Desert; and then from Flagstaff, the ultimate side trip to the Grand Canyon.


Yes that's true. I just did this drive a couple years ago, with my wife and kids as we moved from one coast to the other. We stopped at Walnut Canyon and had a fun, fascinating little hike. We stopped at Painted Desert. But I think Bugs Bunny was right, it really does take a turn for the worse around Albuquerque, where you run into 1,000 miles or more of featureless nothing. And when you have two little kids, even a 40-minute detour to see some sight basically ruins the entire day's drive, unless you adopt the "ignore hours of crying" approach, which we do from time to time.

OKC isn't half bad though. Liked the Museum of Osteology and I went out to some hipster bar for dinner by myself.
   543. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 07:43 AM (#5640758)
Actually, here's a question for the parents. What's your iPad / screens policy on road trips? Although we try and limit screen time, we've gotten pretty lax on drives. My father live 7 hours away and we do that drive 4-6 times a year now, and we will prop up the iPad and throw a couple movies on, which makes both parents and children much happier than we would be without it. I racked my brain to ask myself if staring out the window in catatonic boredom during childhood roadtrips was in any way character forming, and I think the answer is no, it was not. I mean, it's good to learn how to deal with boredom to some extent, but I don't think that 4-6 hour bursts of boredom are really a critical piece of development.
   544. dlf Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:00 AM (#5640761)
Goa was the furthest south I got there, and the least Indian place I was in India. I did love swimming in that very warm water, and the Tiger Prawns were damn good.


The only part of the country colonized by Portugal. It has a very different cultural history, one bit is reflected in the use of pork in the diet.

India is outrageously fascinating. I love everything about it, except for the things I hate about it, like the pollution, the poverty, and the high chance of death on the highways.


I'm convinced that they are attempting to achieve population control via their road system. It is not uncommon to see a little 30 hp motor scooter with a male driver, a woman sitting side-saddle behind him holding an infant with another child sitting between them and a third standing in front of the driver. There are strict laws about drivers wearing helmets, but the other passengers are not. Between that and the auto-rickshaws weaving in and out of traffic, I'm surprised that anyone lives to make it to 20.

I haven't observed professionalism from [Mulvaney] but perhaps you're looking more closely. Care to elaborate?


Sorry for not responding promptly, but real life got in the way. A couple of things I like:

- Halting the regulation via enforcement policy adopted by the former Director. Under prior leadership, there was a great tendency to not announce regulations, but instead commence regulatory investigations that would drag on without charges until economic considerations caused the regulated entity to enter into a consent decree. This leaves others in the industry unable to pattern future behavior against a set of known rules. Mulvaney has moved towards the adoption of regulations published in the Federal Register, thus allowing for predictable rules.

- Inclusion of all interested parties in the policy making process. Prior leadership saw his role as placing a thumb on the scales of justice in favor of one party to a transaction; current leadership believes that the role is to enforce legislation drafted by Congress.

- Financial restraint. Cash reserves in hand were more than enough to fund the approved budget, so Mulvaney asked for no additional funding rather than build a war chest.

Beyond that, it is more a question of what, compared to many other positions in the DJT administration, hasn't happened. We haven't learned of Mulvaney spending $1m on military flights when a commercial flight would be $688/person. We haven't learned of new office decor costing more than an elementary school teacher makes in a year. We haven't found that he has been using his position to further insider trading in industries he is regulating ...

.............

Edit: furthest drive was San Diego to Atlanta last December. But my daughter and I did it in two days and saw nothing except the highway for 31 hours of travel time. I guess the mountains an hour or so east of San Diego were pretty, especially as the sun came up, but I-8 to I-10 to I-20 was not the way I'd recommend spending two days.

   545. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:05 AM (#5640762)
#543 - Everything you say sounds about right to me. I am a huge believer in limiting screen time and in allowing the precious darlings to be occasionally bored, but a long car trip? Nope.
   546. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:13 AM (#5640763)
The only part of the country colonized by Portugal. It has a very different cultural history, one bit is reflected in the use of pork in the diet.


When I went to Mumbai there were pigs everywhere in the streets and I asked someone (a taxi driver maybe?) why I saw pigs everywhere but never saw pork in the restaurants or thought of it as an Indian ingredient. He told me that only poor people eat pork. It does make some sense, what we usually think of as "Indian food" is the courtly cuisine of the Northern elites, who for centuries were all Muslims.
   547. dlf Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:14 AM (#5640764)
Actually, here's a question for the parents. What's your iPad / screens policy on road trips? Although we try and limit screen time, we've gotten pretty lax on drives. My father live 7 hours away and we do that drive 4-6 times a year now, and we will prop up the iPad and throw a couple movies on, which makes both parents and children much happier than we would be without it. I racked my brain to ask myself if staring out the window in catatonic boredom during childhood roadtrips was in any way character forming, and I think the answer is no, it was not. I mean, it's good to learn how to deal with boredom to some extent, but I don't think that 4-6 hour bursts of boredom are really a critical piece of development.


Our kids pre-date iPads, but for long drives when they were little, we hung a portable VCR and screen between the back seats. Lion King and Toy Story on repeat was better than fidgety kids for 3-4 hours. I don't think their development was too stunted.
   548. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:19 AM (#5640765)
I remember going on a family road trip from Toronto to Vancouver when I was 10 or so (so early 90s). I don't recall what my brother and I did that whole time, except drive my parents nuts. The rear windows in that car didn't open and my dad is a firm believer that AC in cars is for rich people, so it got pretty hairy back there.
   549. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:26 AM (#5640766)
548 -

What's funny is that my kids' version of this will be, "All we had was movies on an iPad! You kids don't know how lucky you are with the robot chef and virtual reality multiplayer multiverse simulator 3000." I'm assuming that at the point the driverless cars won't even need to stop for gas, drones will deliver en route (if they even use gas), and you could probably call up a self-driving pizza truck to deliver you a pizza at 120mph. Of course most drives will take place at night, and thus most roadtrips will take place in a new generation of campers or RVs of unspeakable luxury. Why drive during the waking hours at all? Turn out the light at 10pm and when you wake up you've been delivered across the boring wasteland directly to the rim of the Grand Canyon.
   550. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:43 AM (#5640768)
What's your iPad / screens policy on road trips?


I learned to read at a young age so almost all of my road trips from Toronto to Myrtle Beach at Spring Break (ages 3-15) were spent reading books in the backseat. We brought an extra bag just for my books.
My daughter can't read yet (almost there...), so the almost-3-hour trip to my parents' place was originally handled with sleep (she'd snooze the moment we hit the highway...the drone just knocked her out). Now, however, we have an old repurposed iPad that I've downloaded a bunch of Netflix kids shows on that she can watch (with big earphones). She also uses it to draw pictures and play music.

I think it's a perfectly acceptable tool to entertain her for the long ride. We don't pull it out until we are on the highway, and only if she requests it.
(Before then we chat with her about anything/everything and just keep her engaged that way....we learn SO much more about her school days well after the fact this way).

When the time comes that she can read (and she doesn't suffer from motion sickness while trying to read), I'll encourage that over using the iPad.
(Preferring dead tree books over ebooks)
   551. McCoy Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:43 AM (#5640769)
re 548. My parents were the same way. They didn't believe in using AC. In a car or even at home. There approach to trips were for the kids to sit in the back and shut up. Doesn't really work for trips longer than 30 minutes. I don't know what they were thinking. Like, why wouldn't you give your kid something to play with during a long car ride? I mean even airliners back then knew to keep kids occupied. Back in the day they used to give us plastic toy planes and cards if you wanted them.

We went on several road trips back then. I think the biggest were Chicago to the Ozarks twice, once to Nashville, and I think we made the trip to Florida once by car. The absolute worst car trips were the trips to see Grandma south of Terra Haute. Something like 4 hours of absolute boredom. Oh look, a corn field and another and another one and another one. Just so we could get to a dying podunk town that had absolutely nothing going on. Even the water fountain in their shvtty little town park didn't do anything.
   552. BrianBrianson Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:44 AM (#5640770)
Yeah, on long car trips, a tablet is practically mandatory for our three year old. The hard part is that he's figured out how to use youtube on it, so when he doesn't have network access in the car, sometimes he's get irritable, and it's hard to explain to him why the internet ain't working.
   553. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:44 AM (#5640771)
Nothing to see here ... move along ... Donald Trump and his political GENIUS will fix everything.

Bredesen Holds Early Lead for Tennessee Senate Seat

A new Public Policy Polling survey in Tennessee finds former Gov. Phil Bredesen (D) with a slight edge over Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) in the U.S. Senate race, 46% to 41%, with 13% still undecided.


Democrats Were Fired Up In Illinois

“And turnout was 30 percent higher on Tuesday than in 2010, a more comparable primary election since there was a competitive Democratic primary that year. In an ominous sign, Republicans saw an estimated drop of 30 percent in turnout over 2014, which was a highly competitive primary where Rauner edged out three other top contenders.”


But hey, at least the Illinois Nazi Republican won his primary.
   554. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:45 AM (#5640772)
It's too bad really. Seeing the boring wasteland from the car window is the funnest part!

But yeah speaking of the shortening of attention spans (or was that in the pace of play thread?) I'm pretty sure if I were to do that kind of trip again today I'd need an MP3 player at the very least. I remember as a teenager taking a 40 hour bus trip a few times (with a couple breaks for food), and being mostly entertained by looking out the window. Not sure I could do that again.
   555. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:47 AM (#5640773)
What's your iPad / screens policy
No more than 24 hours in a day.
on road trips?
Oh, on road trips? Throw out those limits.

I racked my brain to ask myself if staring out the window in catatonic boredom during childhood roadtrips was in any way character forming,
What, you've never heard of the license plate game?
   556. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:48 AM (#5640774)
I learned to read at a young age so almost all of my road trips from Toronto to Myrtle Beach at Spring Break (ages 3-15) were spent reading books in the backseat. We brought an extra bag just for my books.

Hey, our family made the trip from Toronto to Myrtle Beach a couple times during Spring Break in the 90s. May have seen you on the road!

My brother and I probably did a fair amount of reading and writing back there. I vaguely remember one story I wrote on a road trip to the US (maybe South Carolina?) about a crack team of American spies on a mission in Canada, constantly befuddled by subtle cultural differences.

I guess they didn't have that North Korean program of abducting teenage girls to teach spies how to pass in foreign cultures.
   557. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:49 AM (#5640775)
#550 A lot of people get headaches or motion sickness when reading in a car. So depending on how your kids turn out, reading might just not be a really feasible option for them on road trips.
   558. bunyon Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:52 AM (#5640777)
Great stories above.

Longest drive: Winston-Salem, NC to OKC on I-40. About 18 hours I think. I've done all of I-40 but the last bit from Kingman to Barstow. Seems silly to fly out just to do that but it does eat at me.

For my money, it's a great drive. Earth is a pretty place when left alone. A terrible drive is, for instance, I-95 north of DC. I've done all of 95, I think and it is hellish. Too much traffic, too much human #### in front of the view. Give me west Texas any day.
   559. McCoy Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:53 AM (#5640778)
When I was driving cross country by myself I eventually learned to buy books on tape/CD. Before figuring this out I traveled across the country the way my parents taught me, with nothing but a radio with either no stations available or a bunch of strange country or R&B stations available. Doing it the old fashion way there was quite a few times where I had to slap myself quite hard multiple times or stick my head out the window to keep myself from falling asleep. I could go about two hours of constant driving before I had to stop and get out of the car to rejuvenate myself. Quite a few times if you were driving down the highway you might have seen some young guy walking around his car several times on the side of the road. That was me just getting the blood flowing. Once I got the books on tape that problem largely went away.
   560. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:54 AM (#5640779)
There approach to trips were for the kids to sit in the back and shut up. Doesn't really work for trips longer than 30 minutes. I don't know what they were thinking. Like, why wouldn't you give your kid something to play with during a long car ride?


My best friend's parents were like this. They demanded silence from the back seat. I don't get it. Why do you want the car to feel like a tomb? Why can't you talk and have fun? You better believe I'll be singing "Freefalling" at the top of my lungs to embarrass my daughter whenever the opportunity arises.
   561. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:56 AM (#5640780)
For my money, it's a great drive. Earth is a pretty place when left alone. A terrible drive is, for instance, I-95 north of DC. I've done all of 95, I think and it is hellish. Too much traffic, too much human #### in front of the view. Give me west Texas any day.


Agreed. Road trips on the East Coast are not road trips at all, they're just very long commutes. Even the most featureless length of I-40 will roll a tumbleweed in your direction every once in a while. Who doesn't love a tumbleweed?
   562. manchestermets Posted: March 21, 2018 at 08:58 AM (#5640782)
Two of my compass point extremes are ballparks.

North: Geysir, Iceland
South: Turner Field
West: Portland, Oregon*
East: Whatever the Chiba Lotte Marines' ballpark is called

*Less specific, since it was a one night stay visiting a friend there, and I was pretty much led around so looking back I've no idea exactly where I went in the town. That was a good trip though - I flew to Chicago, then caught the Amtrak Empire Builder train to Seattle (stopping off in Milwaukee), then the train down to Portland, then back to Chicago stopping off in Minneapolis. That train's a great way to see a big variety of American landscape. I've only done one US road trip - New York -> Philadelphia -> DC -> Baltimore -> Niagara (stopping over in Erie, PA where I was lucky enough that the Seawolves had a home game) -> Cooperstown -> Boston -> New York. That was all done in two weeks, which looking back at it seems like a crazy pace, but I don't remember feeling especially rushed.
   563. McCoy Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:09 AM (#5640783)

For my money, it's a great drive. Earth is a pretty place when left alone. A terrible drive is, for instance, I-95 north of DC. I've done all of 95, I think and it is hellish. Too much traffic, too much human #### in front of the view. Give me west Texas any day.


Did the Chicago to NY/Philly/DC trip many many times and so saw a ton of I-90/80. The best part of the trip is the drive through Pennsylvania. It is long. Something like 5 to 6 hours long but you go through the mountains so the scenery changes a lot. It is beautiful but scary. The trip up the Taconic State Parkway is also very beautiful. Driving through the Hudson Valley is very scenic. Can be very scary as well during rain/snow storms but pretty all the same.

The most boring part of the trip was generally through Ohio. 4 hours of pure boredom, filled with human built wastelands on the side of the road. It was generally a quick jaunt through Indiana so while there was nothing remarkable about the passage through Indiana it doesn't really rank high on the shvtty list because the time does not go on and on while in Indiana.

Did the I-95 trip down south from DC a little over a year ago. Did a stopover in Myrtle Beach before finishing up in Atlanta. Outside of staying in Myrtle Beach for the weekend nothing really remarkable was seen on that trip.
   564. bunyon Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:11 AM (#5640785)
Let's see.

North: North coast of Grimsey Island, Iceland
South: Mount Tarn, Chile
West: Makaha, Hawaii
East: Finhaut, Switzerland (probably some point on the Mt. Blanc circuit trail but I didn't note it).

Really need to get my butt to Asia.
   565. McCoy Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:13 AM (#5640786)
Did the drive to and from Dallas to and from Chicago once and in both instances I managed to be in Texas when the sun was down. So my entire recollection of Oklahoma is thinking there was a great giant tree a great distance off in the middle of the highway and that the side of the highway appeared to be very dusty and very red. On both it was land in Missouri that either got the last or first light in my trips so I couldn't really tell you what North Texas and Oklahoma look like beyond what Dallas and Plano look like.
   566. BrianBrianson Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:16 AM (#5640787)
Sarkozy is apparently sitting in a jail over campaign financing law violation charges.

Just sayin'
   567. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:17 AM (#5640789)
Mt. Blanc circuit trail


Jealous. A long trek in the Alps is very, very high on my bucket list.
   568. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:21 AM (#5640790)
Man, a lot of people have been to Iceland.
   569. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:25 AM (#5640791)
Guardian on Sarkozy

He said he made three trips from Tripoli to Paris in late 2006 and early 2007. Each time he carried a suitcase containing €1.5m to €2m in €200 and €500 notes, he claimed, saying he was given the money by Gaddafi’s military intelligence chief.


I've always read the argument that euros are popular for illicit international transactions because of the high denomination bills. Nice to see it in action!

Though I suppose the fact that Sarkozy is French may have also played a role in the currency used.

EDIT: The "he" in that excerpt is the alleged intermediary between Qaddafi and Sarkozy.

   570. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:26 AM (#5640792)
Portrait of a Trumpkin...

This is... well... the guy got shot but it's still funny.
   571. Random Transaction Generator Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:26 AM (#5640793)
Hey, our family made the trip from Toronto to Myrtle Beach a couple times during Spring Break in the 90s. May have seen you on the road!


Nope. I stopped going on that trip when I was 16, which was back in the 1980s. I stayed home and took care of the cats, watched movies, and played board/role-playing games with my friends instead.

We'd make the trip to Myrtle Beach in two days (stopover in Reading Pennsylvania), and remember vividly "South of the Border" signs as an indicator we were getting close to our destination.

The longest single-day road trip I drove was Toronto to Timmins (Northern Ontario), and that was 707km. It was with 3 friends in the car and a bunch of comedy CDs to keep us entertained.
The longest two-day road trip I drove was San Francisco to Los Angeles (down the coastal HWY 1 with a stopover in San Luis Obisbo). It was a sight-seeing drive so many stops along the way to take in views and visit sites (San Simeon, Monterrey, Santa Barbara).

I've been in longer road trips, but never as the driver.



   572. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:30 AM (#5640794)
The last drop was supposed to be “the big one” — the full inspector general report on McCabe, which still has not been released. Instead, when Burkman bent over to pull the papers out from under the cone, he was shot in the buttocks and thigh. As he ran out of the garage with his dachshund in his arms, he was hit by an SUV.


Someone's pulling one over on the Post. I'm pretty sure this is a deleted scene from Burn After Reading.
   573. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5640795)
We'd make the trip to Myrtle Beach in two days (stopover in Reading Pennsylvania), and remember vividly "South of the Border" signs as an indicator we were getting close to our destination.

I remember those. They were still there in the 90s!

The longest single-day road trip I drove was Toronto to Timmins (Northern Ontario), and that was 707km. It was with 3 friends in the car and a bunch of comedy CDs to keep us entertained.

My aunt has a fun northern Ontario trip story. She was going on a camping trip with some friends outside North Bay. For whatever reason she couldn't ride up with them, but was going to take a bus and meet them in North Bay before heading out.

But, she doesn't show. Oh well, guess she couldn't make it.

Some time later my aunt gets off a bus in Thunder Bay and can't seem to find her friends.

EDIT: For those unfamiliar with Ontario, North Bay and Thunder Bay are about a 12 hour drive apart.
   574. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:34 AM (#5640796)
Portrait of a Trumpkin...
His source dropped off two packets of emails under a cone in a garage at the Key Bridge Marriott in Rosslyn, Burkman said.

“I thought I had the story of the decade,” Burkman recalled. His wife, Susan, was more skeptical. She warned him that she didn’t think he was dealing with the FBI. But, he said, the emails “looked super real,” containing details about the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

The last drop was supposed to be “the big one” — the full inspector general report on McCabe, which still has not been released. Instead, when Burkman bent over to pull the papers out from under the cone, he was shot in the buttocks and thigh. As he ran out of the garage with his dachshund in his arms, he was hit by an SUV.

...

Burkman spent three days in the hospital. His dog, Jack Jr., was uninjured.

He has not given up on investigating the death of Rich, whose family just sued Fox News for publishing a false story linking their son to WikiLeaks. Fox News retracted the story six days after it was published.

“This in my mind makes the whole Seth story stranger and stranger,” Burkman said.

What a POS.
   575. BDC Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:35 AM (#5640797)
I will be contrarian and say that, at least for me, the best long drives are across mostly open country. Mountains and shores are fine too, but some of the most memorable drives I've had are in a quadrant of the country that apparently only I enjoy, with roughly Wichita, Pueblo, Roswell, and Abilene as corners. I love being able to see forever.

The worst roads for me are forest-corridor interstates. I-10 across the Florida panhandle is a nightmare, and I-20 across the deep south is not much better.
   576. McCoy Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5640798)
I remember those. They were still there in the 90s!

They are still there now.
   577. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5640799)
What's your iPad / screens policy on road trips?


We have a no screens policy for the first 1/2 hour on trips. Then they watch whatever. We usually do some trivia questions on US History or geography for them to win a minute off the 30 minutes.
   578. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 21, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5640800)
We'd make the trip to Myrtle Beach in two days (stopover in Reading Pennsylvania), and remember vividly "South of the Border" signs as an indicator we were getting close to our destination.

Pedro's weather report. Cold today, hot tamale.
   579. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5640802)
Burkman spent three days in the hospital. His dog, Jack Jr., was uninjured.


Thank goodness. Poor little wiener dog must’ve been scared half to death.
   580. DavidFoss Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:06 AM (#5640803)
remember vividly "South of the Border" signs as an indicator we were getting close to our destination.

This reminds me of the signs along I-90 in South Dakota for Wall Drug. It made the drive through hours of non-descript terrain much more entertaining. By the time we got to Wall, we just had to stop. The place was huge. What was once I presume a little drug store basically took over the whole town. I mean, its not worth the trip just to see the drug store, but if you happen to be stuck driving I-90 the left of SD, it's a perfect place to stretch your legs. When we got back on the road and the non-descript terrain got much more boring because we didn't have all those signs to look at anymore.
   581. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM (#5640806)
I've done all of I-40 but the last bit from Kingman to Barstow. Seems silly to fly out just to do that but it does eat at me.


As I said earlier, I have done that part, and I have done bits of it in NC, but not close to the whole length. I have done the whole length of I-10, as well as I-29 (KC to the ND-MAN border) 24 (Chattanooga to Southern Illinois) and some less impressive intrastate interstates (4, 12, 57, 76, 88). All of 94 except the part from Detroit to Port Huron, all of 5 except Bellingham to the BC border,

Edit: and most of 65, from Gary, IN to Montgomery, AL.
   582. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:22 AM (#5640809)
Thank goodness. Poor little wiener dog must’ve been scared half to death.


Who do you think set up the hit?
   583. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5640812)
Remember Trayan White, the Democratic Washington, D.C. City Councilman who claimed the Rothschilds control the weather? His non-apology apology on that one may be somewhat suspect, since he also claimed the Rothchilds control the World Bank and Federal Government. He made those remarks at a gathering that included the Mayor and other City Council members. No one challenged his remarks.
   584. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5640813)
You take that back you jerk. Lil’ pupper is the real victim here.
   585. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5640814)
KT_So_It_Goes:
two takes I see a lot of are “big deal CA just did the same stuff as the other data outfits” and “their data targeting capabilities are grossly exaggerated” - the first is demonstrably untrue, no one else is the money pit for grift politics CA became & no one else is this sloppy

the second is probably completely true and I’ve said it myself for over a year - but that’s the point! their actual data op is pure #### so they resorted to lazy and likely illegal data harvesting, gross improprieties, braggadocio, and basically acting as a political hit shop

did they actually “collude” with Trump himself? almost certainly not, the man is a moron with the attention span of an almond. but go back up and look who they certainly appear to have colluded with and it sure looks like they are in a world of #### for a lot of bad behavior

I cannot say it enough: this stuff is so far above Trump’s head you couldn’t make him understand what CA & their cronies did if you sat him down for a full month and explained it, but it doesn’t matter because he’s the guy at the top & the buck stops there
   586. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5640815)
You take that back you jerk. Lil’ pupper is the real victim here.


If you can't see how Hillary Clinton hired Fusion to contact the Russians so Putin could brainwash the dog of the man working to uncover Clinton's complicity in murdering Seth Rich, I can't help you. Must be TDS.
   587. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:34 AM (#5640816)
No (((Soros))), 6/10 conspiracy,
   588. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5640817)
I still insist on bringing a large Rand McNally Atlas in the car on trips. My nine year old has taken a liking to it, despite having an ipad and mounted TV screen in the back.

My brothers and I would always play games with that Atlas, often: 'How many miles it is between Des Moines and Nashville?' Or which route is further Billings to Omaha, or Tulsa to Detroit? As we got older we'd ask what was the interstate routing between cities. Then, name 15 cities in X State. Those games were fantastic.
   589. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5640818)
But, then, Peters is a man who cheated on his wife. So principles appear to be in short supply with him.

Ray appears to have fabricated this slanderous ad hominem argument. (That rang no bells with me, so I've googled it in multiple ways, and can find no support for it anywhere.)


As you well know it's not my style to just make stuff up about people.

Peters himself mentioned it on the air to O'Reilly a couple of years ago. It struck me at the time, and stayed with me.

Lesson that David apparently hasn't learned yet: Not everything is immediately googleable. Even if you google it "in multiple ways."
   590. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5640819)
So we should take your word for it? Would you grant anyone else here that benefit?
   591. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5640820)
Remember Trayan White, the Democratic Washington, D.C. City Councilman...


Sounds like a loon. Good thing he is only a city councilman. He is a disgrace and it is sad he is in office. Good thing he is not President of the US or anything. Bullet dodged.
   592. PreservedFish Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5640822)
If you could control the weather, what would you do with it?
   593. dlf Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5640825)
The worst roads for me are forest-corridor interstates. I-10 across the Florida panhandle is a nightmare ...


Ugh. Pancake flat, with scrub pines the only thing to change the view from Pensacola (or really from somewhere around Biloxi / Gulf Port, MS) to Jacksonville. And the highway skirts north of the coast so you miss seeing the water or the spring breakers in Destin or Panama City or the more sedate Apalachicola. Heck, you can't even see Tallahassee from the interstate.

... and I-20 across the deep south is not much better.


At least you can see a few cities as you drive through to help pass the time, although from the interstate only the views of Vicksburg have anything to recommend.
   594. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5640826)
This reminds me of the signs along I-90 in South Dakota for Wall Drug. It made the drive through hours of non-descript terrain much more entertaining. By the time we got to Wall, we just had to stop. The place was huge. What was once I presume a little drug store basically took over the whole town. I mean, its not worth the trip just to see the drug store, but if you happen to be stuck driving I-90 the left of SD, it's a perfect place to stretch your legs. When we got back on the road and the non-descript terrain got much more boring because we didn't have all those signs to look at anymore.

The owner of Wall Drug attributed his success to one of the greatest advertising pitches of all time, plastered on thousands of billboards in both directions: FREE ICE WATER

And of course that was a mandatory stop along the way through South Dakota, along with the Badlands, Mt. Rushmore, and the mighty Corn Palace. How could anyone not love South Dakota? (At least before it became little more than one big slot machine.)

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I still insist on bringing a large Rand McNally Atlas in the car on trips. My nine year old has taken a liking to it, despite having an ipad and mounted TV screen in the back.

True to my inner bookseller nature, I've got a near complete run of those Rand McNallys from the early 50's through the mid-70's, which spans the last years before the interstates to the years when most of the interstates were either completed or 90% so. Needless to say, cross-country trips are a lot easier now, but there's nowhere near the serendipitous variety that you could see on the older highways.

Another feature of those atlases is that you can see what might have been. All of the editions from about the mid-60's through the early 70's showed an extension of I-95 that cut right through the heart of DC, running up U Street and through Shaw, Petworth, and Takoma Park** before connecting to the actual I-95 that opened north of the Beltway around 1972. Before that, if you lived in Washington and wanted to go see the Orioles it was either the BW Parkway or U.S. 1.

** The only reason that monstrosity wasn't built was because the unofficial "Mayor" of Takoma Park, an old Leftie named Sammy Abbott, got together a group of people who essentially hounded all the road fanciers into submission. Just imagine what DC would've been like today if that highway had gone through.
   595. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5640828)
Remember Trayan White, the Democratic Washington, D.C. City Councilman...

Sounds like a loon. Good thing he is only a city councilman. He is a disgrace and it is sad he is in office. Good thing he is not President of the US or anything. Bullet dodged.

The major difference between the loon on the DC Council and Clapper's favorite loon in the White House is that the loon in the City Council admitted his ignorance and immediately apologized. Has Clapper's loon ever apologized about a single thing in his entire life?

Waiting for the answer, Claps.
   596. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5640829)
Austin bomber was an unemployed 20-something with no criminal record


(He was white.)

As ever, the biggest problem with these losers is some combination of mental illness and horrific parenting. The former is spoken about a little, but we're stuck in the mud there as far as real ways to address the problem go given how American society has moved over the past four decades.

The latter is almost never spoken about. People who are bad, disengaged parents aren't called out. They're not shamed. The issue is kept under the rug, bizarrely never to see much of the light of day. We go on and on shaming people who don't support abortion rights, or gun control, or gay marriage, or transgenders in bathrooms. We forever shame people who support Trump. But no shame for the people who have checked out of their parenting responsibilities.
   597. McCoy Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5640830)
How do you admit ignorance on a false Jewish conspiracy?
   598. DavidFoss Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5640831)
If you could control the weather, what would you do with it?

Use it to impress Paris Hilton's little sister? I googled Rothschilds and that was the most interesting thing I found.

   599. McCoy Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5640833)
Make delicious wine?
   600. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 21, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5640834)
480

Scared of getting a middle seat between two fat people.


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