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Monday, May 21, 2018

OTP 2018 May 21: President takes British royalty to a baseball game, May 15, 1991

The 65-year-old queen, dressed in a below-the-knee blue and red dress, black gloves and three strands of pearls, entered the Orioles dugout along the third base line. She formed a receiving line with her husband and the president, clad in a navy blazer, and Barbara Bush. The first lady wore a blue and white floral print dress.

While the VIP guests took their positions designated by their names on 3-by-5 cards, the song “Brown-Eyed Girl” played over the stadium’s public-address system. Their images appeared on the video screen in right-center field.

“I’ve been playing baseball for 10 years, and I’m used to a normal atmosphere,” said Cal Ripken Jr., the Orioles shortstop, after exchanging handshakes. “This is a lot different. There’s a lot of excitement.”

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Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 07:42 AM | 1375 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 08:35 AM (#5676280)
Paul Ryan's House is collapsing

Paul Ryan's House is collapsing, and if the chaos keeps accelerating it could force him out of the speakership before his planned graceful exit at the end of the year:

The state of play: A group of about 20 moderate Republicans are threatening to help Democrats force a vote on a DACA bill. If this works, it could trigger a larger rebellion — likely driven by the Freedom Caucus — similar to the revolt that brought down Ryan's predecessor John Boehner.
   2. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 08:38 AM (#5676281)
A Coup in the Offing?

Top Republicans in Congress and the White House have in recent days entertained a plan to push House Speaker Paul Ryan out of his post over the summer, in an effort to clear the way for his presumed successor, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, to assume the speakership.

A source involved in the conversations and who has discussed the idea with President Donald Trump told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that Trump believes there is merit to the plan, but has not formed a final position. McCarthy has been weighing the effort alongside a small group of trusted advisers, considering the pros and cons of forcing Ryan's hand, and debating the best time to launch the effort. As of last week he had not spoken to Ryan about the idea, the source said.


I am amazed Ryan lasted as long at Speaker as he has. He can't count or whip votes, but his caucus is a tough one to manage I guess.
   3. Chicago Joe Posted: May 21, 2018 at 08:46 AM (#5676284)
In re: the intro article: was Reggie Jackson there?
   4. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 08:57 AM (#5676286)
   5. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:07 AM (#5676287)

How Trump’s New Deep State Conspiracy Theory Emerged From The Fever Swamps

From that TPM link:
Of course, all of these interpretations rest on the notion that if the FBI surveilled the Trump campaign, it was motivated by political bias. None consider that these agencies could have been attempting the difficult task of investigating Russia’s meddling in the campaign on Trump’s behalf without improperly influencing the election by revealing the probe.

They also gloss over the fact that we’ve been down this road several times before. Nunes has been at war with the DOJ and FBI on Trump’s behalf for well over a year, trying to uncover evidence that will prove that Trump was unfairly targeted.

There was last spring’s botched effort to prove that Trump staffers’ identities were improperly revealed in transcripts of conversations swept up in foreign surveillance. National security experts and bipartisan lawmakers said that there was nothing out of the ordinary about the unmasking requests.

Then there was this February’s memo that was supposed to serve as definitive proof of anti-Trump bias among DOJ and FBI leadership and bring the Mueller probe to a screeching halt. It was a bust.

He may not have succeeded yet. But the new “spy” controversy suggests that Nunes’ efforts will continue.

And wherever Nunes goes, Clapper and JE will be sure to follow. That's what lapdogs do.
   6. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:33 AM (#5676299)
RNC Apparently Paying Legal Bills for Hope Hicks

“The RNC paid nearly half a million dollars to a law firm that represents former White House communications director Hope Hicks and others in the Russia investigations,” the Washington Post reports.

“Last year, the RNC began tapping a pool of money stockpiled for election recounts and other legal matters to pay the ballooning legal fees of Trump and his associates drawn into the Russia investigations.”
   7. BDC Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5676304)
Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy

Why can I not see this guy's name without thinking "Invasion of the Body Snatchers?"
   8. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:43 AM (#5676307)
How Trump’s New Deep State Conspiracy Theory Emerged From The Fever Swamps
Old and busted: You're a nutter for thinking the Obama administration would even think of wiretapping the Trump campaign.

New and hot: You're a nutter for thinking Obama administration wiretapping of the Trump campaign was even remotely political.
   9. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5676310)
A reminder that coincidences are coincidental...

On April 11, Uber Nunes got the unredacted memo with the name of the FBI informant.

On April 13, Scooter Libby got pardoned for doing what Nunes has done since.
   10. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:44 AM (#5676312)
Old and busted:


Tapped his phones

New and hot:


Spies!
   11. Traderdave Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5676314)
Where's there's smoke, it's an investigator's duty to look for fire. The smoke was a massive flow of communications between the President's team and shady Russians.

The President's unhinged behavior, such as constant, shrill denials even as evidence of collusion grows, indicates strongly that there was indeed fire and that it has been found.
   12. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:46 AM (#5676315)
A useful reminder:

Congress has oversight over the FBI, not the other way around.
   13. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:49 AM (#5676318)
A reminder that coincidences are coincidental...

On April 11, Uber Nunes got the unredacted memo with the name of the FBI informant.

On April 13, Scooter Libby got pardoned for doing what Nunes has done since.
It's unreal how much bullshit zonk can pack into two and a half sentences. He should win some sort of prize.
   14. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5676321)
@therickwilson:
1/ Busy week last week, lovely weekend with our daughter, some fine meals in Nashville. With that, let's get on with the matter at hand, since Team Stupid thinks this phony "infiltration" panic is their killer app and now require a solid scourging.

2/ You know what the Trump fluffers are ignoring, yes?

They don't want to ask the first causes question, and it's pretty clear why.

The origins of so, so, so many counterintelligence operations start with SIGINT. This wasn't some political hack job. This was a rising wave...

3/ ...of information reaching various points in the IC and trickling UP the chain, not some top-down "Get Trump" operation.

This wasn't the ripshit "We gots us a dossier, let's RIDE, cowboys!" fantasy being sold by the Trump right media and Gentry Breitbart.

4/ When you, your family your private attorney, your most senior (and junior) campaign staff, business partners, and associates are ass-deep in contacts with people tied to Russian organized crime, Russian intel, and Russian oligarchs (but I repeat myself), it's going to show up.

5/ As we've discussed, the FBI, DOC, IC, and FISA court ain't playing beanbag.

They don't just say, "WHOA, Trump's a flaming dickbag! Let's subvert our oath and violate the law to screw him!"

The Fox crowd uses the asymmetry of what the FBI/DOJ/OSC is forbidden to reveal (yet)

6/ ...to draw this lurid, stupid portrait for an evil Deep State conspiracy directed by Kenyan Muslim Sleeper Agent Obummer and Evil Sorceress Hillary the Child Cannibal for the credulous, the slow, and the wilfully mendacious who know better.

7/ With all the contacts, associations, meetings, business deals, money, and hard intel that the Russians were attacking our election that *caused* the attention the Trump, if you think the system should have sat quietly and done nothing, allow me to propose a gedankenexperiment.

8/ Substitute "Trump" for "Clinton" and "Russian" for "Muslim" (or "Chinese") and tell me you wouldn't want the FBI to *do it's damn job*

9/ I've said this from the very, very start. The IC has a royal flush, or damn near it.

The fact that you haven't seen it yet is evidence of discipline, not absence.

10/ All this show, and bluster, and hair-tearing flim-flam from Team Trump is their usual disservice to the rule of law.

Steady on.
   15. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:53 AM (#5676322)
Yes, "oversight".

If there's one thing Jason knows, it's convenient oversights.

Like, the oversight of forgetting a Trump campaign aid (we are back to aid now, right? We're not going back to coffee fetcher?) was one of the tiny number of Americans who were previously the target of an espionage campaign that resulted in the conviction of two Russian agents.

Or the oversight of ignoring Paul Manafort's mysterious disappearance from domestic GOP politics for a couple decades and the oversight of forgetting what he had been doing in the meantime.

Or the oversight of forgetting Trump's voluminous Russian financial interests and his lies about their existence.

Or the oversight of handwaving away I Love It!

Or the oversight of making wikileaks and various Russian hackers your primary dirty trickster.

Add up enough "oversights" and then you fall back on TEH OVERSIGHT!!!!
   16. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5676324)
Old and busted:


Desperate attempts to sow confusion without any sort of narrative as to what exactly this massive and evil conspiracy is all about.

New and hot:


Desperate attempts to sow confusion without any sort of narrative as to what exactly this massive and evil conspiracy is all about.
   17. tshipman Posted: May 21, 2018 at 09:57 AM (#5676326)
Old and busted: You're a nutter for thinking the Obama administration would even think of wiretapping the Trump campaign.


Right, because they didn't.

New and hot: You're a nutter for thinking Obama administration wiretapping of the Trump campaign was even remotely political.


What wiretapping? FISA warrants on Page? That isn't "Obama administration" or "Trump campaign."

The amount of blatant handwaving and trying desperately to pretend that it's all the same is really kind of disturbing.
   18. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5676328)
What wiretapping?


You have to remember that the Trumpkins take after their alpha.

Repeat nonsense often enough and you get to cite it as gospel.
   19. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5676330)
Trump Grappling With Risks of North Korea Meeting

“President Trump, increasingly concerned that his summit meeting in Singapore next month with North Korea’s leader could turn into a political embarrassment, has begun pressing his aides and allies about whether he should take the risk of proceeding with a historic meeting that he had leapt into accepting,” the New York Times reports.

“Mr. Trump was both surprised and angered by a statement issued on Wednesday by the North’s chief nuclear negotiator, who declared that the country would never trade away its nuclear weapons capability in exchange for economic aid.”

“Mr. Trump’s aides have grown concerned that the president has signaled that he wants the summit meeting too much… The aides are also concerned about what kind of grasp Mr. Trump has on the details of the North Korea program, and what he must insist upon as the key components of denuclearization.”


Next up ... Trump concerned water might be wet.
   20. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5676331)
A useful reminder:

Congress has oversight over the FBI, not the other way around.


"Nice little independent agency you've got there, Mr. Wray. It'd be a shame if something ever were to happen to it."
   21. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5676333)
“Mr. Trump’s aides have grown concerned that the president has signaled that he wants the summit meeting too much… The aides are also concerned about what kind of grasp Mr. Trump has on the details of the North Korea program, and what he must insist upon as the key components of denuclearization.”


For the record, I am not now a "Trump aide" and I was not a "Trump aide" when I said the same thing last week.

   22. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:08 AM (#5676335)
From the last thread:


1362


Conservative media (the MSM is unavailable for comment)



FOX isn't the MSM? If they have the highest ratings (rantings?) in the land, as everyone from Kellyanne to Rush to AJ claims, doesn't that automatically make them "mainstream?"
   23. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:17 AM (#5676343)
Responding to YC from the previous week's thread:
That's not accurate. The article cites the same somewhat speculative Daily Caller article previously noted here, in which "sources close to" the hapless Papadopoulos claim something was fishy about his meeting with Stefan Halper. That hardly necessitated DoJ/FBI folks leaking, and the NYT/WaPo printing, numerous details that made it obvious that Halper was the FBI spy/informant.
This couldn't be more disingenuous if someone had set out to write a sentence to illustrate the concept of disingenuousness for the dictionary. The Daily Caller article was not "somewhat speculative," and fully outed Halper, by name. This was then picked up by multiple right-wing blogs that disseminated Halper's name and presumed role far more broadly. At that point, there was nothing left for the NYT/WaPo to "make obvious."
"Trump & Nunes made us burn our own informant" is a ridiculous claim that shouldn't be taken seriously.
The ridiculous claim that shouldn't be taken seriously is that the NYT/WaPo revealed anything that wasn't already fully public.
Furthermore, there's no apparent reason that Halper's involvement needs extraordinary protection. He's a well know Washington figure, a mid-level official in 3 prior administrations. His CIA connections have been in the news long before his current notoriety, he probably puts them on his resume. Why shouldn't his actions be reviewed?
I see we're on the second Trumpista stage of this particular topic of wrongdoing. "Trump didn't do it. And anyway if he did, there's nothing wrong with him doing it." (The third stage is, as exemplified by Ray, "In fact, he was morally obligated to do it.")
   24. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:18 AM (#5676344)
Don Blankenship...

Still running ads, will challenge WV's sore loser law in court to get his name on the Constitution party ballot...
   25. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5676347)
He should run as the leading member of the Jailbird Party.
   26. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5676349)
And wherever Nunes goes, Clapper and JE will be sure to follow.


Those cocks don't swallow themselves, buddy.
   27. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5676352)
This couldn't be more disingenuous if someone had set out to write a sentence to illustrate the concept of disingenuousness for the dictionary.


To be pedantic, you said it was from Clapper, so this is a redundant statement.
   28. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5676353)
You have to remember that the Trumpkins take after their alpha.


Remember when I told you Jason was going batshit insane like, a year ago, and nobody listened?
   29. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5676354)
And this, "Oh my gosh, I am shocked to find out that the MSM is revealing all this info about him that would allow him to be identified" is disingenuous, since he had already been identified by right wing media thanks to leaks from Nunes's crew.

This isn't accurate, as it wasn't *until* the WaPo's 8 May story that conservative media was conclusively able to deduce the name of the informant. (I posted his name for the first time on the afternoon of the 15th.)
No. The WaPo's May 8 story (8 May? What are you, a commie European?) said this, and only this, about the person:

"a top-secret intelligence source. ... the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI,"

That's it. That's the entirety of the description. It did not describe who he is, where he was or is located, who he spoke with, what information he provided, or what he said or did. It is absolutely not what allowed anyone to identify him as Halper.
   30. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5676358)
Don Rumsfeld has a book out...

It's about the more successful administration he was a part of, and specifically - or at least, this piece is - the pardon of Nixon.

Seems appropriate.

For the record, the only thing worse than Trump would be Pence pardoning Trump. Trump should hang when the time comes.
   31. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5676359)
FOX isn't the MSM? If they have the highest ratings (rantings?) in the land, as everyone from Kellyanne to Rush to AJ claims, doesn't that automatically make them "mainstream?"

I think Fox still sees itself as some sort of Loyal American Underground resistance movement, bravely fighting back against Presidents Clinton and Obama, who through some trick of time travel are still occupying the oval office and encouraging MS-13 members to vote. It's a thankless task, but somebody's got to do it.
   32. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5676363)
BEIJING — A man wielding a knife killed nine children and injured 10 others outside a middle school in central China on Friday, the authorities said, in one of the worst attacks at a Chinese school in recent years.

1). China is 3X the size of the US

2) This Chinese attack, the worst in recent years, would be merely the third worst in the US this year.
No. Please don't be dishonest. "One of the worst in recent years" is an entirely different statement than "the worst in recent years."

And your first point is irrelevant since I wasn't making a statistical argument. I was providing a counterexample to the idea repeatedly expressed here that firearms are uniquely dangerous. Specifically, someone had expressly posted some snide comment the other day in this thread saying that when there's a knife attack, people don't die (unlike with an attack using firearms). And people have repeatedly argued here in the past that while you might be able to kill someone with a knife, you can't do a mass killing with a knife.

Apparently the folk wisdom behind the old phrase "don't bring a knife to a gunfight" is ACTUALLY VERY MUCH INCREDIBLY STUPID. This despite the fact that even then, very few Wild West showdowns involved AK-15's.
I think you mean AR-15. An AK-15 isn't really relevant to this discussion. Nobody denies the utility of a gun over a knife. (Well, cops do, since they routinely shoot knife-wielding people on the grounds that they feel scared. And liberals do, since they routinely deny that a firearm is useful for self-defense.) School assaults, however, involve unarmed victims.
   33. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:44 AM (#5676365)
Can we agree in advance that a political campaign trying to collaborate with Russia is an appropriate thing to investigate?

Not to worry, Andy: Horowitz will investigate Team Hillary's relationship with Fusion GPS later this year.
Think you're a bit confused. Hard to see how the relationship between two private parties could be in the IG's bailiwick. I know you're pinning all your hopes on Horowitz finding some wrongdoing somewhere, but the IG conducts neither criminal nor counterintelligence investigations. The only thing the IG does is determine whether the DOJ (or whichever agency's IG we're talking about) broke rules. Hillary could have been having a sexual affair with Putin, with Simpson setting up their trysts, and the IG would have nothing to investigate.
   34. McCoy Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5676371)
Remember when I told you Jason was going batshit insane like, a year ago, and nobody listened?

What? I told you that!
   35. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:48 AM (#5676372)
Again, if all guns in the US. suddenly disappeared tomorrow there would be an immediate and significant increase in all non-gun violence. Knives, axes, swords, hammers, bats, cars, trucks as a whole. This is axiomatic.

Yes there would. How many people would the Las Vegas shooter have killed and injured with a baseball bat? More than he did with an ersatz automatic rifle, or fewer? Presumably fewer, no?
If he had chosen a baseball bat? Fewer, yeah. If he had chosen a truck? Very possibly more. (Even if he didn't pack It with explosives, and just used it to run people over.) The Nice attack killed more than the Las Vegas attack.
   36. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5676374)
Not the only indication, but all signs point to a Roger Stone indictment coming fairly soon...

I wonder... will being a self-proclaimed ratfucker raise or lower his profile in prison?
   37. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5676376)
33

Hillary could have been having a sexual affair with Putin, with Simpson setting up their trysts


EEEEEWWWWWWWWW....!
   38. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5676380)
Not the only indication, but all signs point to a Roger Stone indictment coming fairly soon...


If true, this is fairly huge.
   39. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5676384)
Speaking of the DoJ IG report, Mark Penn, Bill Clinton's long-time pollster, has some thoughts:

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton “matter,”
Don't know what this means, and I suspect Penn doesn't either. The FBI did "break their own rules" -- not in a criminal sense, but in the sense of violating established protocol -- when Comey gave his post-MYE press conference, but that doesn't appear to be what Penn means, and that's obviously not something to support a conspiracy-against-Trump narrative.

[...]

But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump presidential campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation.
Wow. That's incredibly dishonest in every respect. The FBI knew they should talk to him because the Australian government passed his information along to the U.S. government -- a fact not "left out of their narrative" -- and the part about "Downer's signature" is nonsensical. Downer didn't give any such money to the Clinton Foundation; the government of Australia did. His signature literally appears on the memorandum of understanding relating to the donation, because he was the Australian foreign minister at the time.
   40. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5676389)

If true, this is fairly huge.


Stone said as much himself over the weekend.

Dollars to donuts it was a big part of the spark of Trump's latest unhinged twitter rampage - now continuing into a second day.

And, of course, there have been multiple stories about subpoenas having been served to some of Stone's chief trolls.

   41. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5676390)
Worth remembering that Team Clinton wasn't the only one bankrolling the never-verified dossier...
Obama’s Campaign Paid $972,000 To Law Firm That Secretly Paid Fusion GPS In 2016:
Former president Barack Obama’s official campaign organization has directed nearly a million dollars to the same law firm that funneled money to Fusion GPS, the firm behind the infamous Steele dossier. Since April of 2016, Obama For America (OFA) has paid over $972,000 to Perkins Coie, records filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) show.
Weird, huh?
Um, no? Not even a little bit? Perkins Coie has more than 1,000 lawyers working for tens of thousands of clients on hundreds of thousands of matters.

Try harder, Jason.
   42. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5676395)

The next report focuses on the Bureau's Hillary server investigation. What's got DC in panic mode is the likelihood that senior officials of both DoJ and FBI, most of whom were also players in the Trump-Russia probe, will be torn a new #######.
They were players in the former Trump-Russia probe. Not the current one being led by Mueller.


And somehow I doubt anyone is in a panic, given that Trump and his pals have been making up fake accusations against senior officials of both DoJ and FBI for a year and a half now, so one or two more allegations of nonsubstantive wrongdoing aren't likely to change anything.
   43. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5676399)

@1344 the NRA doesn't care if guns are good, they just want to sell more guns.
The NRA doesn't sell guns.

EDIT: Nor does it represent those who sell guns. The NRA is a membership organization. The industry lobby is the NSSF, not the NRA.
   44. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5676402)
40

Dollars to donuts it was a big part of the spark of Trump's latest unhinged twitter rampage - now continuing into a second day.

And, of course, there have been multiple stories about subpoenas having been served to some of Stone's chief trolls.


pleasePleasePLEASE let Stephen Miller be one of them...
   45. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5676406)
Well if we're talking about maximizing a body count then you're right: no need to pretend a baseball bat would be used by the sicko: Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols took out 150 people and injured hundreds of others with a homemade bomb mounted in a Ryder truck

And as a result, what happens now if you want to buy a truckload of ammonium nitrate?
Nothing?
   46. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5676407)
What wiretapping?

You have to remember that the Trumpkins take after their alpha.


So can I assume they're all fat, bald, ignorant serial adulterers?
   47. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5676419)

Trump Grappling With Risks of North Korea Meeting
The underlying NYT story -- not sure why you'd point to the aggregator rather than the source -- would be comical if it weren't so scary/sad. It portrays Trump (not surprisingly) as having no clue about anything, and trying to run purely on his personal instincts which (Dilbert notwithstanding) are terrible. It describes the fiasco in which Trump confused Bolton's reference to the Libyan nuclear deal (which is what the U.S. wants) with the overthrow of Qadaffi (which is not, or at least it's not something we can say when we're trying to undertake diplomacy). And of course this will surprise nobody:
The aides are also concerned about what kind of grasp Mr. Trump has on the details of the North Korea program, and what he must insist upon as the key components of denuclearization. Mr. Moon and his aides reported that Mr. Kim seemed highly conversant with all elements of the program when the two men met, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has made similar comments about Mr. Kim, based on his two meetings with him in Pyongyang, the North’s capital.

But aides who have recently left the administration say Mr. Trump has resisted the kind of detailed briefings about enrichment capabilities, plutonium reprocessing, nuclear weapons production and missile programs that Mr. Obama and President George W. Bush regularly sat through.


The real truth is that Trump mistakenly thought that NK didn't want to talk to the U.S., so he focused his efforts on getting a meeting with Kim. Which he got easily, because actually NK did want to talk to the US. And then he mistakenly thought it was a victory for him. He mistakenly thought he had intimidated them to come to the table. So now he's just flailing around confused. He has no tactics, let alone overall strategy, for dealing with them.
   48. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5676427)
not sure why you'd point to the aggregator rather than the source


I like the aggregator and if I am going to use its services I would feel bad never linking to it (seems a bit tacky). So sometimes I link to it and sometimes the original. When there is a paywall I almost always link to the aggregator.
   49. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5676429)
The real truth is that Trump mistakenly thought that NK didn't want to talk to the U.S., so he focused his efforts on getting a meeting with Kim. Which he got easily, because actually NK did want to talk to the US. And then he mistakenly thought it was a victory for him. He mistakenly thought he had intimidated them to come to the table. So now he's just flailing around confused. He has no tactics, let alone overall strategy, for dealing with them.


Minds are not meant to boggle this way.

Trump's ignorance - and truculent opposition to lessening his own ignorance - is less the problem here than is the fact his flaks (including a couple here) dutifully playing along.
   50. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5676437)
But aides who have recently left the administration say Mr. Trump has resisted the kind of detailed briefings about enrichment capabilities, plutonium reprocessing, nuclear weapons production and missile programs that Mr. Obama and President George W. Bush regularly sat through.


Why are Trump and Obama Mr., but Bush is President?
   51. spycake Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5676438)
Why are Trump and Obama Mr., but Bush is President?


That was the first time Bush was referenced in the article. And Trump and Obama were already referenced as President previously. Subsequent references are simply as "Mr.".
   52. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5676439)

Presumably that was the first time Bush was referenced in the article? And Trump and Obama were referenced as President previously?
Correct. That's NYT style.
   53. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5676440)
Ah, OK.
   54. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5676444)
@FDRLST:
If states begin legalizing sports betting, it will reveal the longstanding moral depravity of American sports culture, and hasten the process of families abandoning its decadence.
   55. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5676448)
@asharangappa:
I keep getting bombarded with emails/comments/FB posts that if the FBI wasn't out to "get Trump" they would have warned him about the Russian threat when they discovered it.

THEY DID. In July 2016.

Given that POTUS was made aware -- DURING HIS CAMPAIGN -- that the FBI was watching out for Russians who may be making contact or trying to infiltrate his campaign, why is he accusing the FBI of being "politically motivated"? He knew they were investigating this the whole time!
   56. BDC Posted: May 21, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5676449)
If states begin legalizing sports betting, it will reveal the longstanding moral depravity of American sports culture, and hasten the process of families abandoning its decadence

I've been predicting that since my grandpa took me to the greyhound track when I was seven.
   57. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5676457)

If states begin legalizing sports betting, it will reveal the longstanding moral depravity of American sports culture, and hasten the process of families abandoning its decadence.


Right.. I mean, look how well Prohibition and the latest War on Drugs has kept the Nation on the straight and narrow moral path.

Puritans can go eff themselves.
   58. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5676458)
55

Given that POTUS was made aware -- DURING HIS CAMPAIGN -- that the FBI was watching out for Russians who may be making contact or trying to infiltrate his campaign, why is he accusing the FBI of being "politically motivated"? He knew they were investigating this the whole time!


Trump: "If I didn't see it on FOX, it didn't happen."
   59. Traderdave Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5676460)
Puritans can go eff themselves.


Of course they CAN, they simply choose not to. They don't give in to sin.
   60. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5676462)
Puritans can go eff themselves.


Of course they CAN, they simply choose not to. They don't give in to sin.


Well, they should, then...
   61. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5676464)
Old and busted: You're a nutter for thinking the Obama administration would even think of wiretapping the Trump campaign.

New and hot: You're a nutter for thinking Obama administration wiretapping of the Trump campaign was even remotely political.
JE - Are you seriously promoting the narrative that Obama, either personally or a close confidant, directed the DOJ/FBI to surveil the Trump campaign?

Or is a more reasonable interpretation that someone the DOJ/FBI was previously monitoring, as part of some activity (that Obama may have been briefed on, but had no decision-making role) previously undertaken, happened to join the Trump campaign?

Because those are two pretty different things.
   62. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5676466)
JE - Are you seriously promoting the narrative that Obama, either personally or a close confidant, directed the DOJ/FBI to surveil the Trump campaign?


Only if he can't come up with a plausible argument assigning blame to Hillary Clinton.
   63. stig-tossled,hornswoggled gef the talking mongoose Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5676467)
Correct. That's NYT style.


Which BTW is ####### precious & stupid.
   64. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5676469)
And as a result, what happens now if you want to buy a truckload of ammonium nitrate?

Nothing?


I believe any ammonium nitrate purchases above a token amount require identifying paperwork to be filled out and submitted to Homeland Security.
   65. stig-tossled,hornswoggled gef the talking mongoose Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5676471)

I believe any ammonium nitrate purchases above a token amount require identifying paperwork to be filled out and submitted to Homeland Security.


AT GUNPOINT.
   66. Spahn Insane Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5676473)
Only if he can't come up with a plausible argument assigning blame to Hillary Clinton.

Since when is the "plausible" part a prereq?
   67. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5676476)
Was this covered in last week's thread? I refuse to go back to catch up on the weekend...

Trump-Hannity Bedtime Tradition
   68. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5676477)
Only if he can't come up with a plausible argument assigning blame to Hillary Clinton.

Since when is the "plausible" part a prereq?


Well Juan's definition of "plausible" just means "I read it in the right-wing media or /pol" but you are correct that I should have been clearer.
   69. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5676481)
Hard to see how the relationship between two private parties could be in the IG's bailiwick.


The same way double digit Benghazi "investigations" were the House's. It fans the flames in the political weeds, and that is all the GOP cares about.
   70. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5676483)
Don't know what this means, and I suspect Penn doesn't either.


It means someone is stupid or disingenuous enough to put "Mark Penn" out there as an arbiter of anything other than batshit crazy. I assume this was Jason. Penn's been selling snake oil to the Fox crowd for over a decade now.
   71. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5676486)
That's not accurate. The article cites the same somewhat speculative Daily Caller article previously noted here, in which "sources close to" the hapless Papadopoulos claim something was fishy about his meeting with Stefan Halper. That hardly necessitated DoJ/FBI folks leaking, and the NYT/WaPo printing, numerous details that made it obvious that Halper was the FBI spy/informant.

This couldn't be more disingenuous if someone had set out to write a sentence to illustrate the concept of disingenuousness for the dictionary. The Daily Caller article was not "somewhat speculative," and fully outed Halper, by name. This was then picked up by multiple right-wing blogs that disseminated Halper's name and presumed role far more broadly. At that point, there was nothing left for the NYT/WaPo to "make obvious."

The "somewhat speculative" article from the Daily Caller, previously linked to here, was from late March, not the May 17 article linked in #23. The May 17 article came out after the NYT disclosed that a government informant met several times with Page & Papadopoulos, and it stops short of saying Halper is the informant:
Whether Halper is that source has been a subject of some speculation over the past week, with Halper’s name being floated by TV and radio pundits as well as Internet sleuths. Congressional investigators have refused to confirm or deny whether he is. The FBI declined comment when asked about The Times’ reporting about the informant. But current and former government officials have told TheDCNF that he is a person of significant importance to the investigation, though they have not said whether he is a source for the FBI or CIA.

Whoever the source turns out to be, the fact that the FBI had an informant spying on the Trump campaign is likely to generate bitter partisan debate. Democrats will likely defend the maneuver on the grants that Trump aides’ activities warranted surveillance. Republicans have already started to point out that the use of informants undercuts Democrats’ denials that the government surveilled members of the Trump campaign.

To clear up any "uncertainty", current and/or former FBI/DoJ officials then ran to the NYT/WaPo to leak numerous details of their informant's bio, travels & meetings, matching Halper in every possible way. There was no need to do that, other than to curry favor with the reporters & publications, while trying to get ahead of possible negative reports on the investigation. That certainly doesn't support the claim that Halper's identity was too sensitive to disclose - they did just that, with greater certainty, and to a far larger audience than any prior reports.
   72. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5676489)
No. The WaPo's May 8 story (8 May? What are you, a commie European?) said this, and only this, about the person:

"a top-secret intelligence source. ... the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI,"

That's it. That's the entirety of the description. It did not describe who he is, where he was or is located, who he spoke with, what information he provided, or what he said or did. It is absolutely not what allowed anyone to identify him as Halper.
I'll clarify. Those law enforcement types who leaked to WaPo acknowledged the existence of a “'top secret intelligence source” of the FBI and CIA, who is a US citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe." At that point, you could approach Carter Page and ask about meetings he had during July 2016.

ABGL's article of 16 May (stick it) pretty much outs Halper:
And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos, current and former officials said. That has become a politically contentious point, with Mr. Trump’s allies questioning whether the F.B.I. was spying on the Trump campaign or trying to entrap campaign officials.

One day later, WaPo repeated ABGL's description of the source, then added:
The source is a U.S. citizen who has provided information over the years to both the FBI and the CIA, as The Post previously reported, and aided the Russia investigation both before and after Mueller’s appointment in May 2017, according to people familiar with his activities.
Emphases mine.

As Clapper points out, the Chuck Ross article is dated the 17th and doesn't say Halper was the informant.

Oh, and this CNN report from 7 May suggests that at that moment Nunes didn't even have Halper's name in front of him at the time:
But the Justice Department informed Nunes three days ago -- on the deadline for responding to a subpoena from Nunes' committee -- that providing the information on a "specific individual" could pose grave implications for national security, according to a letter obtained by CNN.


   73. Laser Man Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5676498)
* IIRC, Halper's meetings with Page and Papadopoulos predate the latter's supposed drinking session with Ambassador Downer. If so, how could the drinking session have been the impetus to open an investigation, when it Halper had already initiated contact with both men?
You recall incorrectly. Papadopoulos was contacted in September 2016 by Halper, well after the investigation started in July. Page was contacted in July, based on his just-completed trip to Moscow. As has been explained many times, Page had been on the FBI's radar for years.
   74. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5676500)
You recall incorrectly
Agreed and deleted. The supposed drinking session was in May.

However, these contacts began prior to the date Comey subsequently said the Russian investigation got started.

As has been explained many times, Page had been on the FBI's radar for years.
As a government witness (EDIT: who went undercover on behalf of the USG) and who helped convict a Russian bad guy, not a suspected Russian agent.
   75. Lassus Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5676511)
Surprised judicial masturbator Clapper hasn't commented yet on GorTrump putting his boot up the ass of the workers today.
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court says employers can prohibit their workers from banding together to dispute their pay and conditions in the workplace, an important victory for business interests.
The outcome does not affect people represented by labor unions, but an estimated 25 million employees work under contracts that prohibit collective action by employees who want to raise claims about some aspect of their employment.

The result could prompt a new round of lawsuits aimed at limiting class or collective action to raise allegations of racial discrimination.

The Trump administration backed the businesses, reversing the position the Obama administration took in favor of employees.

The court's task was to reconcile federal laws that seemed to point in different directions. On the one hand, New Deal labor laws explicitly gave workers the right to band together. On the other, the older Federal Arbitration Act encourages the use of arbitration, instead of the courts.

Justice Neil Gorsuch, writing for the majority, said the contracts are valid under the arbitration law. "As a matter of policy these questions are surely debatable. But as a matter of law the answer is clear," Gorsuch wrote.

In dissent for the court's liberals, Justice Ruth Bader called the decision "egregiously wrong" and likely to lead to "huge underenforcement of federal and state stautes designed to advance the well-being of vulnerable workers." Ginsburg said that the individual complaints can be very small in dollar terms, "scarcely of a size warranting the expense of seeking redress alone." Ginsburg read a summary of her dissent aloud.
   76. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5676514)
As a government witness who helped convict a Russian bad guy, not a suspected Russian agent.


Ha, yes, yes... he's quite the hero.
   77. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5676515)
What wiretapping? FISA warrants on Page? That isn't "Obama administration" or "Trump campaign."
Right, right. Like with everything else that went south on his watch, Obama discovered this* by watching cable news. Absolutely pathetic.

* And don't even begin to claim that Lynch and Yates weren't doing his bidding 24/7.
   78. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5676516)
As has been explained many times, Page had been on the FBI's radar for years.


They are either too stupid to understand, too crazy to reason with, or too evil to care.
   79. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5676517)
Ha, yes, yes... he's quite the hero.
Page is probably neither a hero nor villain.

Also, facts still don't care about your feelings.
   80. Lassus Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5676518)
* And don't even begin to claim that Lynch and Yates weren't doing his bidding 24/7.

That invisible space elevator to Mars Pizza Command wasn't paying for itself.
   81. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5676519)
They are either too stupid to understand, too crazy to reason with, or too evil to care.
I'm old enough to remember when liberals weren't exactly swayed about the supposed guilt of a party because he/she had been on the FBI's radar for years.

Good times.
   82. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:25 PM (#5676521)
As a government witness (EDIT: who went undercover on behalf of the USG) and who helped convict a Russian bad guy, not a suspected Russian agent.


As usual, Jason selectively remembers #### from even his own preferred hackneyed sources...

The Daily Caller...

A theory gaining traction about Carter Page in some quarters of the Web is that the former Trump campaign adviser worked as an undercover FBI agent to help bust a Russian spy ring operating in New York City in 2013.

The theory goes that Page, an energy consultant, worked undercover for the FBI to bug a covert Kremlin agent.

But Page dispelled that speculation on Tuesday, telling The Daily Caller News Foundation that he “never did anything of that variety.”

* * *

An article at RedState analyzed Page’s role in the spy ring case and the Justice Department press release and surmised that “unless there is a significant piece missing to what has been made public, Male-1 is UCE-1 is Carter Page.”

But Page poured cold water on theory.

“I’m not very familiar with the whole UCE concept,” he initially told The Daily Caller News Foundation when asked if he had heard the rumors that he was an undercover FBI agent. “I would assume that I’d have been briefed if I were somehow in it.”

Told that the undercover agent planted recording devices in order to surveil, Page said, “well that settles that.”

“Never did anything of that variety.”


What a ridiculous hack...
   83. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5676524)
I'm old enough to remember when liberals weren't exactly swayed about the supposed guilt of a party because he/she had been on the FBI's radar for years.


I'm old enough to remember that at least when you were wrong, it was heartfelt, sincere, and honest wrong.

Now, you're just a joke.
   84. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5676528)
I'm old enough to remember when liberals weren't exactly swayed about the supposed guilt of a party because he/she had been on the FBI's radar for years.

Good times.

What does his guilt or innocence have to do, with your talking point that his surveillance was politically motivated? How long he has been on the FBI's radar, and for what reasons, is the key factor there.

God you really have turned into a complete joke.
   85. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5676532)
As usual, Jason selectively remembers #### from even his own preferred hackneyed sources...
Indeed, Page denies it. Good catch.

Alas, you left out something else FTA:
The FBI has never suggested that Page was a target of its investigation of the spy ring,

Now, you're just a joke.
Said by the the freak who picked up and fled to Canada because of an election night hissy fit.
   86. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5676535)
Indeed, Page denies it.


Which is obviously proof that your recycled claim is true, I'm sure.

Alas, you left out something else FTA:


The fact that he's not in jail is a pretty clear and obvious indication that he was 'merely' the target of Russian espionage recruitment, and the targets were the spies caught recruiting him. I don't generally feel the need to include the glaringly obvious.

Said by the the freak who picked up and fled to Canada because of an election night hissy fit.


At least I'm not a Trumpkin.

You'll always be a Trumpkin. No matter how this ends, you no matter how much you eventually hedge and pretend and excuse - you'll always be a Trumpkin.

   87. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5676536)
Said by the the freak who picked up and fled to Canada because of an election night hissy fit.


Yeah, uncalled for nonsense.

You kids need to calm down a bit.
   88. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5676537)
What does his guilt or innocence have to do, with your talking point that his surveillance was politically motivated? How long he has been on the FBI's radar, and for what reasons, is the key factor there.
As noted above, there's no evidence Page was a target in the earlier investigation and, regardless, merely being "on the FBI's radar for years" isn't nearly enough for the government to obtain a FISA warrant.
   89. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5676540)
I'm old enough to remember when liberals weren't exactly swayed about the supposed guilt of a party because he/she had been on the FBI's radar for years.


I remember when you weren't a bought and paid for shill.
   90. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5676543)
You kids need to calm down a bit.


Dead bodies are very calm.
   91. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5676546)
I remember when you weren't a bought and paid for shill.
Snore. You've been slinging crude insults at conservatives since day one.
   92. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5676548)
As noted above, there's no evidence Page was a target in the earlier investigation and, regardless, being "on the FBI's radar for years" doesn't come close to obtaining a FISA warrant.


Think of all the millions upon millions of people who were once targets of Russian espionage recruitment efforts!

So let's see. We have a one-time target of Russian espionage recruitment, who - rather than reflecting on his brush with Russian espionage and deciding to tread a bit more carefully, doubles down on his From Russia With Love.... who joins a campaign for a Putin apologist... a campaign that has a campaign manager led by a stooge of the Kremlin.

Golly, it's all so witch hunty! Or is it witchy hunt? Witchy Hunty?
   93. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:48 PM (#5676550)
The Supreme Court released two decisions today, an opinion upholding arbitration agreements (that Lassus mischaracterizes in #75) and one dealing with Indian tribal sovereignty. More interesting, perhaps to those here, is that the tea leaves continue to suggest that Chief Justice Roberts may be writing the majority opinion in the Wisconsin redistricting case. With Gorsuch writing the arbitration case, the only case remaining from the Court's October sitting is Gill, the Wisconsin redistricting case, and Roberts is the only Justice who hasn't written a majority opininion from that sitting. The six cases from the November sitting have all been decided, also without Roberts writing a majority opinion in any, despite being in the majority in all but one [minor] case. It's not an ironclad rule, but normally the opininion writing is spread around fairly evenly (the more junior Justices do get more of the minor cases), and it seems unlikely that the guy who assigns the opinion writing would be a slacker over two full sittings of the Court. Opinions on 32 remaining cases are due before the end of Court's term, now scheduled for June 25th. Expect decisions every Monday (Tuesday after Memorial Day).
   94. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:50 PM (#5676552)
swayed about the supposed guilt of a party
From the way this page reads, the last name "Obama" is guilty of everything imaginable; QED.

I don't think the guy is perfect. I also don't seem him masterminding a plot to... coerce?... the FBI into surveilling an opposing campaign. Doesn't seem his style to me, particularly when the Dems in general weren't concerned about actually losing. So "they" comically underrated Trump as a candidate *AND* abused the power of the office - just in case?

How does Comey's October Surprise about reopening the inquiry against HRC fit into this so-called logical narrative?
   95. Zonk was SHOCKED by #6! Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5676554)
How does Comey's October Surprise about reopening the inquiry against HRC fit into this so-called logical narrative?


Everything the DOJ or anyone in the DOJ did publicly in 2016 that hurt the Clinton campaign is evidence of CYA.

Everything the DOJ or anyone in the DOJ did not do or say publicly in 2016 to hurt the Trump campaign is evidence of the ongoing conspiracy.

The less addled by Cheetoh dust would point out that this is entirely illogical and only a total moron would buy into the framing.

Alas... some people are addled by Cheetoh dust.
   96. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5676556)
I don't think the guy is perfect. I also don't seem him masterminding a plot to... coerce?... the FBI into surveilling an opposing campaign. Doesn't seem his style to me, particularly when the Dems in general weren't concerned about actually losing. So "they" comically underrated Trump as a candidate *AND* abused the power of the office - just in case?

How does Comey's October Surprise about reopening the inquiry against HRC fit into this so-called logical narrative?


This is why I keep asking Jason for what exactly it is he keeps hinting at. There is no coherent story. He can't (won't) even try to explain it, because he realizes very well that there is nothing, no narrative that ties all the Trumpkin fever dreams together. It is all trying to spin and send up as much dust as possible to obscure everything. It is more disinformation than information.
   97. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5676558)
So supposedly Ambassador Downer learned from an inebriated Papadopoulos that there were these stolen e-mails, but it was this mysterious Professor Mifsud was the one who gave him that info. And that's enough to trigger a counterintelligence investigation of a presidential campaign? Why not contact Papadopoulos and interview him? And why wasn't he subject of a FISA warrant application? Why wasn't he interviewed until the end of January 2017? And before anyone answers by citing the need to keep such an interview secret, in fact the January interview remained hidden until the day Mueller announced that he had pleaded guilty.
   98. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5676560)
You've been slinging crude insults at conservatives since day one.


I've been insulting idiots and fools since day one. It's only in the last few years that you've devolved from conservative who was worth the effort to said.
   99. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 21, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5676561)
I also don't seem him masterminding a plot to... coerce?... the FBI into surveilling an opposing campaign.


They know THEIR team would do that. In fact, you know, BENGHAZI! They have seen their team do it. They assume Obama is as bad as they know themselves to be.
   100. Stormy JE Posted: May 21, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5676562)
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