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Monday, May 21, 2018

OTP 2018 May 21: President takes British royalty to a baseball game, May 15, 1991

The 65-year-old queen, dressed in a below-the-knee blue and red dress, black gloves and three strands of pearls, entered the Orioles dugout along the third base line. She formed a receiving line with her husband and the president, clad in a navy blazer, and Barbara Bush. The first lady wore a blue and white floral print dress.

While the VIP guests took their positions designated by their names on 3-by-5 cards, the song “Brown-Eyed Girl” played over the stadium’s public-address system. Their images appeared on the video screen in right-center field.

“I’ve been playing baseball for 10 years, and I’m used to a normal atmosphere,” said Cal Ripken Jr., the Orioles shortstop, after exchanging handshakes. “This is a lot different. There’s a lot of excitement.”

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Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 21, 2018 at 07:42 AM | 1375 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   801. Stormy JE Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5678924)
Now that he wants to ban all negative press he gets,
LOL. OK, you go with that.
   802. Stormy JE Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5678926)
Has Jason confused "liberals" with "technocrats"?
Right, Hollywood detests electric vehicles and curses "sustainability" talk.
   803. Lassus Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5678929)
Hollywood

Full of dangerous Communists, I hear.
   804. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5678930)
I just hate all these electric cars having their own spaces, with their ridiculous frunk operations. That is why we need TO BUILD A MALL!
   805. Lassus Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5678931)
Nothing on earth is scarier to city bicyclists than electric cars, which are enormous bullets of death that you can't hear at all.
   806. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5678932)
Has Jason confused "liberals" with "technocrats"?

Right, Hollywood detests electric vehicles and curses "sustainability" talk.


He makes a compelling case with JUANABOUT HOLLYWOOD?
   807. Eddo Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5678936)
I don't recall Musk ever being a "favorite" of liberals but they couldn't wait to buy his vehicles. Once he agreed to participate in Trump's advisory boards, however, his reputation took a YUGE hit. No wonder there are so many more pieces critical of him these days...

The Musk criticisms come from the fear of technology that permeates certain liberal circles, usually couched as innovation outpacing ethics and how Silicon Valley is evil, along with a big old heaping of giving a #### about privacy issues they don't fully understand. Him joining Trump's council (and the subsequently backing out) isn't really a big factor at all.

And yeah, what PepTech said. What Musk said is not cool, and what Trump said is not cool (and made worse because he is the damn President).
   808. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5678937)
Nothing on earth is scarier to city bicyclists than electric cars, which are enormous bullets of death that you can't hear at all.


Heh - amusing true story...

Couple years ago, ex-GF and I rented a car flying out to visit her family and by luck of the draw - ended up with a Prius. We spent our first evening at the Mohegan Sun casino - and after dinner and gambling, were perplexed when we (apparently to us) couldn't get the car to start. For a good hour, we tried everything (except putting it gear).

We tried calling the rental company, but it was late and they couldn't offer assistance until the next day... so, we told the parking attendant our issue, got an uber and left.

AFTER we got back to our hotel room, I remembered The Office episode where Andy fights Dwight with his Prius... so back to the casino we went and yes.... the problem was that it WAS running... silently.

The relationship did not last because I loved retelling this story in all its embarrassing detail and she felt it should have been a secret we took to our graves.
   809. Eddo Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5678938)
Right, Hollywood detests electric vehicles and curses "sustainability" talk.

You realize that Tesla isn't the only auto manufacturer working on electric cars and sustainable fuel?

I mean seriously, it's like you grabbed the first famous person you could find who criticized journalists and propped him up as some sort of liberal icon.
   810. Swoboda is freedom Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:34 PM (#5678942)
Meh. I own a hybrid and am looking to get an electric vehicle and his cars are really low on my list. Not reliable enough for me. The most important consideration for a car is that it be super extra reliable.

My wife bought a Chevy Bolt last year. She really likes it. It is really quick. The Tesla was a 2 year wait. We have another car (mine) which is a hybrid which we can use for longer trips. She tops out at around 150 miles before needing a charge.

I think the pollution effect depends on where you live. If your power supplier uses a lot of coal plants, the electric car is an improvement over a gas one, but not as much. Power plants that use nuclear or gas are much cleaner and efficient that a car engine.
   811. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5678943)
I mean seriously, it's like you grabbed the first famous person you could find who criticized journalists and propped him up as some sort of liberal icon JUANABOUT.


He can't help it.
   812. tshipman Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5678944)
With full-electric vehicles, aren't you just off-siting your pollution? That is, you're buying electricity from the grid; presumably, at least some of that electricity (and at times, much of it) has been produced from burning petroleum or coal. What is the efficiency of power plants vs modern auto engines?

Genuine ask, not at all knowledgeable here



It varies slightly depending on where you live, but is generally significantly cleaner than gas power. Here's a deep dive from a Californian perspective.

However, in general, power plants are significantly more efficient at converting fuel into energy than a gasoline engine, so even if a power plant were burning the same fuel (it's not, Gas is less efficient), the grid-powered vehicle would emit less CO2.
   813. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5678946)
With full-electric vehicles, aren't you just off-siting your pollution? That is, you're buying electricity from the grid; presumably, at least some of that electricity (and at times, much of it) has been produced from burning petroleum or coal. What is the efficiency of power plants vs modern auto engines?


Many, probably a majority of power plants burn fossil fuels, but many don't. As of now, few if any cars run on solar, wind, hydro-electric, geo-thermal, or nuclear power. Second, even the ones that do burn fossil fuels produce the energy to move vehicles more efficiently than internal combustion engines. the equivalent MPG for a Nissan Leaf is 125/100 MPG. And lastly, offsetting the solution has a benefit as well. Imagine what all electric vehicles would do for the air quality in Los Angeles, Beijing, etc?

partial coke to shipman.
   814. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:46 PM (#5678948)
In my anecdotal small, but likely larger than yours, sample size, most deep Tesla enthusiasts lean techno-libertarian.
   815. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5678949)
@existentialcoms:
Watching Elon Musk seamlessly moving from "the free market solves everything" to "trade unions sow social division among classes" and "we need a watchdog to discredit lying journalists" is like watching capitalism decay into fascism in real time on twitter.
   816. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5678950)
Also, all of the Model 3 sales, much less the higher price point models, are the sleight of hand that Musk is using to fund his real market for electrics.
   817. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:50 PM (#5678952)
I imagine this is a pretty pro forma response, but Mueller's court response to applications from multiple media orgs to unseal/make available some materials...
“Many aspects of the investigation are factually and legally interconnected: they involve overlapping courses of conduct, relationships, and events, and they rely on similar sources, methods, and techniques,” the special counsel said. “The investigation is not complete and its details remain non-public.”

“The fact that certain charges have been brought does not imply that the Special Counsel’s investigation into the assigned matters is closed,” Mueller said, arguing against the release of the records. “Nor does it imply that the search warrant materials could be unsealed at this time without creating a serious risk of jeopardizing the ongoing and interconnected aspects of the investigation.”
   818. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5678953)
Zonk, Rudy has assured us this will be wrapped up by last Thanksgiving within a few weeks before September.
   819. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5678956)
Zonk, Rudy has assured us this will be wrapped up by last Thanksgiving within a few weeks before September.


I have zero doubt that it will be ended before September... whether it will be 'wrapped up'? Not so much.
   820. Traderdave Posted: May 24, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5678957)
In the Bay Area, electric car ownership skews heavily toward Bay Bridge commuters, because electrics can use the carpool lane even with one driver. Saves a TON of time.

And I have a neighbor across the street who works for Chevron and drives a Tesla. I asked her how Chevron feels about that & she responded that there a quite a few in the employee parking lot...
   821. spycake Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5678960)
Couple years ago, ex-GF and I rented a car flying out to visit her family and by luck of the draw - ended up with a Prius. We spent our first evening at the Mohegan Sun casino - and after dinner and gambling, were perplexed when we (apparently to us) couldn't get the car to start. For a good hour, we tried everything (except putting it gear).


First day with our Prius, my wife had a similar issue. She called me and said it wouldn't start, and I trekked out to where she was, panicked that I had bought a lemon (it was used), but it turns out she was pushing the power button without holding down the brake. So it was only going to accessory power mode. (Somehow I made it through testing the car and driving it home without even realizing that I was holding the break while starting.)
   822. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5678963)
And I have a neighbor across the street who works for Chevron and drives a Tesla. I asked her how Chevron feels about that & she responded that there a quite a few in the employee parking lot...

Classic (and disgusting) behavior from the Hollywood elite. smh.
   823. McCoy Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5678969)
Heh - amusing true story...

Couple years ago, ex-GF and I rented a car flying out to visit her family and by luck of the draw - ended up with a Prius. We spent our first evening at the Mohegan Sun casino - and after dinner and gambling, were perplexed when we (apparently to us) couldn't get the car to start. For a good hour, we tried everything (except putting it gear).

We tried calling the rental company, but it was late and they couldn't offer assistance until the next day... so, we told the parking attendant our issue, got an uber and left.

AFTER we got back to our hotel room, I remembered The Office episode where Andy fights Dwight with his Prius... so back to the casino we went and yes.... the problem was that it WAS running... silently.

The relationship did not last because I loved retelling this story in all its embarrassing detail and she felt it should have been a secret we took to our graves.


People created smartphones so they can do the brainwork for people. Why do we not let it do just that? I just don't understand how people in this day and age can be perplexed by virtually anything. I get shocked when people ask me directions. You have a phone! It will tell you where it is you need to go and exactly how to get there. Use it!
   824. McCoy Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5678972)
My wife bought a Chevy Bolt last year. She really likes it. It is really quick. The Tesla was a 2 year wait. We have another car (mine) which is a hybrid which we can use for longer trips. She tops out at around 150 miles before needing a charge.

I think the pollution effect depends on where you live. If your power supplier uses a lot of coal plants, the electric car is an improvement over a gas one, but not as much. Power plants that use nuclear or gas are much cleaner and efficient that a car engine.


Last year I was seriously looking into a Bolt but they weren't and possibly still aren't selling them in the Atlanta area (the other day I saw my first Volt on the road). I was trying to get my work to pay for a charger but alas our frontage wasn't public enough for it to be free and the cost to do it yourself was prohibitive. So I passed and got something else.
   825. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5678976)
Thanks for the answers re: power plants vs internal combustion. How then do full electrics stack up vs hybrids?
   826. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5678977)
People created smartphones so they can do the brainwork for people. Why do we not let it do just that? I just don't understand how people in this day and age can be perplexed by virtually anything. I get shocked when people ask me directions. You have a phone! It will tell you where it is you need to go and exactly how to get there. Use it!


We did! And we followed the directions!

Unfortunately, none of the assistance said "Hey morons, the car is running. It's just really quiet. Try putting in gear and see if you move."

Such advice/direction would have been of enormous assistance.
   827. McCoy Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5678979)
Well, nothing can help you there.
   828. tshipman Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:25 PM (#5678982)
Thanks for the answers re: power plants vs internal combustion. How then do full electrics stack up vs hybrids?


Well, again it varies based on your location, but generally speaking full electrics are likely to be more efficient. Plug in hybrids make the math more complicated. Really it depends on the per mile CO2 emission for the vehicle in question.
   829. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5678983)
With full-electric vehicles, aren't you just off-siting your pollution? That is, you're buying electricity from the grid; presumably, at least some of that electricity (and at times, much of it) has been produced from burning petroleum or coal. What is the efficiency of power plants vs modern auto engines?


Answered above while I was in a peer review meeting (yes I am a PITA in those meetings too) and then getting lunch.

The other advantage, other than mentioned above, is as the grid becomes greener then your plug in car becomes greener automagically. Also in general electric cars are more reliable than combustion engines - less mving parts, simpler overall. And they are so quiet, I love it.

I have had several misadventures with my hybrid (over a decade old now), some are similar to the "is it on?", but the most annoying was the whole "why won't this car lock?" issue.

Pulled into the store, everyone gets out, I lock the door, close the car and the door unlocks. Repeat several times, each time getting more annoyed. Eventually send the spouse (now my ex) into the store with the kids while I try to figure out what the heck is happening. Long story ... well longer ... the keys are wireless and the car won't let you lock the keys in the car (which is nice, this includes the trunk by the way), and my exes keys had dropped out and were on the passenger floor (I was driving). 40 frustrating minutes of my life I will never get back.

   830. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5678984)
Thanks for the answers re: power plants vs internal combustion. How then do full electrics stack up vs hybrids?


Here's something from the Bulletin of Concerned Scientists. From their assumptions they concluded a full electric is about 33% more efficient C02 wise than a hybrid.

   831. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5678988)
The other advantage, other than mentioned above, is as the grid becomes greener then your plug in car becomes greener automagically. Also in general electric cars are more reliable than combustion engines - less mving parts, simpler overall. And they are so quiet, I love it.


Right. An electric car on a solar recharger grid is far cleaner and breaks down way less often. (One thing that people confuse a LOT is thinking Tesla is a hardware company; they're a software company. The cars are just their server farms.)

The quietness, at least in the early going, is a good and a bad, as The Artist Formerly Known as Rabbit Slayer noted earlier.
   832. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5678990)
Here's something from the Bulletin of Concerned Scientists. From their assumptions they concluded a full electric is about 33% more efficient C02 wise than a hybrid.


I have my eye on the Pacifica Hybrid Minivan. It is plugin and only uses gas when it has to, but you still have the gas engine for longer trips where pure electric is a pain in the rear end (filling your tank is light years faster than recharging your battery). And yes I need a minivan both for my trips and my wife for her business.
   833. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5678991)
Pulled into the store, everyone gets out, I lock the door, close the car and the door unlocks. Repeat several times, each time getting more annoyed. Eventually send the spouse (now my ex) into the store with the kids while I try to figure out what the heck is happening. Long story ... well longer ... the keys are wireless and the car won't let you lock the keys in the car (which is nice, this includes the trunk by the way), and my exes keys had dropped out and were on the passenger floor (I was driving). 40 frustrating minutes of my life I will never get back.
I assume that this is the real reason -- not that one you've been peddling all along -- for why the ex is an ex.
   834. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5678992)
Right. An electric car on a solar recharger grid is far cleaner and breaks down way less often. (One thing that people confuse a LOT is thinking Tesla is a hardware company; they're a software company. The cars are just their server farms.)


at this point they are a vaporware company.
   835. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5678993)
The quietness, at least in the early going, is a good and a bad, as Tim noted earlier.


Good for me the driver, I like quiet. Bad for the people I am running over. I should think you of all people would side with me on that one :)
   836. Traderdave Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5678995)
The other advantage, other than mentioned above, is as the grid becomes greener then your plug in car becomes greener automagically.


Our local municipal utility gets all of its electricity from a dam and a geothermal plant, so after the manufacturing process, a full electric car in this little town is zero CO2
   837. Lassus Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5678996)
I believe it was actually a late Renaissance Franco-Flemish composer who was concerned about electric car volume.
   838. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5678997)
(One thing that people confuse a LOT is thinking Tesla is a hardware company; they're a software company. The cars are just their server farms.)


They - like Apple I guess - are both. I am not impressed with the reliability of their hardware though, perhaps because that is not their main number one focus. DOn't get me wrong, the technophile in my loves the idea of Tesla and all Musk's companies. The car buyer in me says "nope" though, at least for now.
   839. Swoboda is freedom Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5678998)
I assume that this is the real reason -- not that one you've been peddling all along -- for why the ex is an ex.

Are you suggesting that Mouse killed his ex wife or just divorced her? Although given the story above, I can't see a jury convicting.
   840. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5678999)
We've had the locking problem a couple of times (my wife does stuff like packing her keys in the suitcase when we're traveling). But if it's keys in the car, it's obvious because it beeps when you try to lock it. With our first hybrid, after 5 years or so the keys themselves started giving us problems, to the point of having to pull out the physical key and use it to unlock the car.

We're on our 2nd Prius; had a 2008, gave it to our son 2 years ago (had ~95,000 miles on it) when we got a 2016. Given the paucity of charging stations (and the ubiquity of gas stations) I would be reluctant at this point to go to a full electric. But my liberal guilt is starting to churn, knowing that I'm not as green as I could be. Good thing I'm driving less now.
   841. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5679003)
I believe it was actually a late Renaissance Franco-Flemish composer who was concerned about electric car volume.


Buus?

Note: Yes, I did get it. Well, after I Googled it.
   842. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5679004)
One cross country flight blows through your allocated C02 for the year anyways. Honestly I don't think it's a problem of personal responsibility. It's a policy issue, as with most things. Provide incentives for the airlines to get more efficient (and the new engines are) and for people to purchase electric cars, insulate their homes, and so forth.
   843. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5679005)
at this point they are a vaporware company.


No. They have a rock solid software package and a set of specialized device installations to run it effectively and efficiently. They push patches and updates as well as any software company on the planet. They also have a small, but radically devoted set of early adopters and product evangelists. This is not "vaporware."
   844. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5679006)
Are you suggesting that Mouse killed his ex wife or just divorced her? Although given the story above, I can't see a jury convicting.


Not dead, in fact just last night the ex and current spouse watched the new Lost in Space, while I was in the basement watching Jaws with the eldest boy. And yes it is weird how well they get along. The boy and the shark I mean :)
   845. McCoy Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5679009)
For whatever reason our Walgreens in town has a charging station. Haven't seen anyone use it and the store actually boots cars so I don't really know what the point of the charging station is. Who shops in a Walgreens for an hour or more?
   846. Lassus Posted: May 24, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5679010)
One cross country flight blows through your allocated C02 for the year anyways. Honestly I don't think it's a problem of personal responsibility.

Well, pennies do make dollars, etc.
   847. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5679012)
The quietness, at least in the early going, is a good and a bad, as Tim noted earlier.

Good for me the driver, I like quiet. Bad for the people I am running over. I should think you of all people would side with me on that one :)

As long as I can reach the horn with my other knee, everyone's a winner.
   848. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5679013)
No. They have a rock solid software package and a set of specialized device installations to run it effectively and efficiently. They push patches and updates as well as any software company on the planet. They also have a small, but radically devoted set of early adopters and product evangelists. This is not "vaporware."


good lord fanboyism is an epidemic in this country. They are a car company. Their currency is cars. They are having a very hard time producing said product. Nobody is investing in Tesla for the IP in their software. By that measure GM and Google and Apple and hell even Uber are just as far or further along.
   849. Shredder Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5679014)
The felony murder rule is not something esoteric; it's a routine aspect of criminal law. In essence, murder is generally a specific intent crime -- that is, you must intend to kill someone to be guilty of murder. (If you do something and someone dies but you didn't intend the death, you're generally guilty of a lesser crime like manslaughter or negligent homicide.) But if you intend to commit certain dangerous felonies, that supplies the requisite intent to charge someone with murder if a person dies as a consequence of those felonies.
Isn't this case a bit different though? Generally speaking, felony murder is typically applied in a case where one or more people are committing an inherently violent crime, or at least one where violence is foreseeable, and although murder of someone otherwise innocent wasn't intended, it was a result. So you and I rob a bank, and in the process, my gun discharges and kills someone, even though I didn't intend to shoot anyone. We could both be charged with felony murder. In this case, the big differences are that a) the "victim" of the "crime" was one of the perpetrators of the robbery, and b) the actual act of killing the person is otherwise justifiable. Typically in felony murder, the person who pulls the trigger is one of the bad guys. I mean, in the case mentioned earlier, you could technically posthumously charge the guy who died of murdering himself.
   850. BrianBrianson Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5679015)
Provide incentives for the airlines to get more efficient (and the new engines are) and for people to purchase electric cars, insulate their homes, and so forth.


Some of us already fill 110% allocated for a passenger. When the plane's ceiling is pressing my head down while I'm sitting, I don't want the plane to get any smaller.
   851. Shredder Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5679016)
Welp, I just ordered one of the summit coins.
Ridiculous. You can order a coin commemorating a summit that never happened* but I can't order a g*ddamn Nick Adenhart jersey?

*Makes you wonder why they never put out any merchandise commemorating the Bowling Green Massacre.
   852. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5679017)
while I was in the basement watching Jaws with the eldest boy


If you misread that as "Jews," this clause takes on very sinister overtones.
   853. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5679021)
Honestly I don't think it's a problem of personal responsibility. It's a policy issue,


Sure, little bits are not enough, but sometimes people like to feel that they're not as big a part of the problem as they might otherwise be.
   854. Count Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5679023)
849- I don’t think it’s uncommon to charge people with felony murder when the “murder” victim is one of the criminals who was shot by police. Of course that does not mean it’s morally right (particularly given that cops are trigger happy). There was a tragic case in the last week or so where shoplifters tried to flee a mall, cops shot at the car (cops claim they did that because they were in fear the car would hit them or someone else, a claim that works 99% of the time for cops), and one of the three shoplifters was killed. The other two were initially going to be charged with felony murder, but that charge will be dropped.
   855. Laser Man Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5679024)
good lord fanboyism is an epidemic in this country. They are a car company. Their currency is cars. They are having a very hard time producing said product. Nobody is investing in Tesla for the IP in their software. By that measure GM and Google and Apple and hell even Uber are just as far or further along.
Tesla has delivered over 300,000 electric cars already. That should not qualify under any reasonable definition of vaporware.
   856. Count Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5679026)
This is the shoplifting case.
   857. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5679028)
Who needs a South Korean ambassador? Or even a telephone? Or competence?

South Korea on Trump's pullout statement: "We are attempting to make sense of what, precisely, President Trump means."

Stephen Colbert tweeted in response, "Welcome to the fucking club."
   858. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5679033)
#857. As John McClane put it "Welcome to the party, pal!"
   859. Shredder Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5679039)
Nothing on earth is scarier to city bicyclists than electric cars, which are enormous bullets of death that you can't hear at all.
You mean to the handful of bicyclists in the city that don't wear earbuds. That just seems crazy to me.

Tangientially, it somehow became routine for some people in Chicago to honk while leaving an alley and driving through a sidewalk, done to alert pedestrians. I can't tell you how much I hate this. First because half the people walking down the street (myself included) are probably wearing earbuds (I figure it's safe if I'm walking). Second, because drivers feel that this gives them license to drive 30 mph through a narrow alley because, hey, I'll just honk at the end and everything will be cool, right? Somehow we ended up living in a part of the city where there are three streets in a row that are inexplicably all one way in the same direction, so our alley, barely wide enough for one car at a time, gets used as a street, and it pisses me off.
   860. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:26 PM (#5679041)
#857. As John McClane put it "Welcome to the party, pal!"


Or, to paraphrase Rocket: "Welcome to the frickin' club. Only I didn't say frickin'"
   861. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5679043)
good lord fanboyism is an epidemic in this country. They are a car company. Their currency is cars. They are having a very hard time producing said product. Nobody is investing in Tesla for the IP in their software.


1. I am nothing even remotely close to a Tesla fan-boy.

2. The Tesla concept reinvents the idea of a "car." What has traditionally be a machine (hardware) is under their production process best understood as a software appliance.
   862. Eddo Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5679044)
First because half the people walking down the street (myself included) are probably wearing earbuds

I don't honk (I detest it in general, ugh), but you really can't hear a car horn within 20 feet of you when you're wearing earbuds?
   863. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5679045)
Or, to paraphrase Rocket


The official translation of Groot's final line in Infinity War is "Dad?"
   864. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5679046)
Or, to paraphrase Rocket: "Welcome to the frickin' club. Only I didn't say frickin'"


Thor: The rabbit is correct and clearly the smartest among you.
   865. Shredder Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5679048)
I don't honk (I detest it in general, ugh), but you really can't hear a car horn within 20 feet of you when you're wearing earbuds?
Loud music + weak horns on many newer cars + just a tap on the horn = nope. Also, bear in mind that most people I see doing this are flying through the alley and tapping on the horn is a reflex/afterthought. Even if I could hear them, it would probably be too late.
   866. Lassus Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5679050)
Trump letter to North Korea.

No, the real thing, not a parody.
   867. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5679052)
Loud music + weak horns on many newer cars + just a tap on the horn = nope.


If you're in the multi-tonnage steel and glass bullet, you're responsible for avoiding the fleshbags.
   868. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:35 PM (#5679053)
Loud music + weak horns on many newer cars + just a tap on the horn = nope.


And weak hands pushing on those horns thanks to our urban centers being populated by so many beta liberals.
   869. Hot Wheeling American, MS-13 Enthusiast Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5679061)
America is already great:

@carlhigbie:
It is with great regret that I resign the @nyjets as my team. No coming back from that. #AmericanPride
   870. Swoboda is freedom Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:51 PM (#5679068)
I don't honk (I detest it in general, ugh), but you really can't hear a car horn within 20 feet of you when you're wearing earbuds?

I really hate it when drivers feel the need to honk at me when I am biking. I am over to the side and I can't move over any more. They do this to be nice (maybe) and warn me, but it startles/scares the bejesus out of me.
   871. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:51 PM (#5679069)
If you're in the multi-tonnage steel and glass bullet, you're responsible for avoiding the fleshbags.


in the bedroom or on the road?
   872. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5679072)
Trump letter to North Korea.

No, the real thing, not a parody.
I refuse to believe that this is not a parody.
   873. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5679074)
As a reminder which party is on the wrong side of history ... Support for Same-Sex Marriage Hits New High

A new Gallup poll finds that approval for same-sex marriages hit an all time high of 67% — a near mirror image of public opinion on the issue just 22 years ago.
   874. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5679075)
From yesterday, but I have not seen any updates on this ... Garrett May Quit Congress

Rep. Tom Garrett (R-VA) “has abruptly parted ways with his chief of staff and is considering not seeking reelection in November,” Politico reports.

“The first-term Garrett represents a conservative district that stretches from southern reaches of the state to more northern areas. His seat has become more competitive this election year in part because he’s posted anemic fundraising totals. In recent months, the congressman has struggled to keep pace on the fundraising front with his Democratic opponent, journalist and filmmaker Leslie Cockburn.”

The Cook Political Report rates Garrett’s seat as Lean Republican.


We might have to add another one onto the the wall of "spending more time with my family".
   875. Swoboda is freedom Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5679080)
Trump letter to North Korea.

No, the real thing, not a parody.


I am going to give props to Trump (or at least the Trump team) to stopping the meeting. Of course, he created the whole fiasco to begin with due to his ignorance of the situation, but he didn't go through with it. These things can get "go fever".

That letter is a joke of course. No Ivy league person could have every written that.
   876. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5679082)
it somehow became routine for some people in Chicago to honk while leaving an alley and driving through a sidewalk


We noticed years ago in Brooklyn that drivers would routinely honk when they were running a red light. Courtesy!

   877. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5679083)
We noticed years ago in Brooklyn that drivers would routinely honk when they were running a red light. Courtesy!


Automated driver-less cars can't come soon enough. They don't have to be that good to be better than people in all honesty.
   878. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5679087)
That letter is a joke of course. No Ivy league person could have every written that.


"I look very much forward to meeting you."

I can see him, squinting at the horizon...
   879. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5679088)
Isn't this case a bit different though? Generally speaking, felony murder is typically applied in a case where one or more people are committing an inherently violent crime, or at least one where violence is foreseeable, and although murder of someone otherwise innocent wasn't intended, it was a result. So you and I rob a bank, and in the process, my gun discharges and kills someone, even though I didn't intend to shoot anyone. We could both be charged with felony murder. In this case, the big differences are that a) the "victim" of the "crime" was one of the perpetrators of the robbery, and b) the actual act of killing the person is otherwise justifiable. Typically in felony murder, the person who pulls the trigger is one of the bad guys. I mean, in the case mentioned earlier, you could technically posthumously charge the guy who died of murdering himself.

No, the police killing a felon's accomplice and then charging him (or her) is a classic application of the Felony Murder Rule, taught in almost any law school. The Felony Murder Rule is as old as the hills, so it's a bit late to be outraged. As others have noted, it's society's way of saying some crimes are so dangerous, and so bad, that if you engage in them you are going to be held responsible for the consequences. That said, whether the sentence in the original example was appropriate depends on numerous factors not addressed in the excerpt posted.
   880. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5679093)
Tesla has delivered over 300,000 electric cars already. That should not qualify under any reasonable definition of vaporware.

What is the software that Tesla is selling to people via their cars? My understanding is they offer software that is really just unlocking hardware features that are already present in the car. And that they have been pre-selling "self-driving" upgrades that are not available yet and are way behind schedule in being rolled out.
   881. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5679096)
From yesterday, but I have not seen any updates on this ... Garrett May Quit Congress

If you looked any place but your selectively partisan Political Wire "news aggregator", you'd have already known that Congressman Garrett announced that he was running for re-election, not quitting.
   882. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5679098)
Yeah they really are not even trying to pretend any more ...
Emmet Flood, WH attorney dealing with the Russia probe, attended the the start of the DOJ meeting on confidential FBI source, I am told. He left meeting shortly after. He was spotted by @LauraAJarrett leaving DOJ with John Kelly


Link

So yeah, hold a meeting to discuss the confidential FBI source, don't invite any Democrats, but instead invite Trump's lawyer. Thank goodness they didn't meet on the tarmac, otherwise some GOP types might suggest something untoward was going on.
   883. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5679100)
Don't tell Ray, because those pesky scientists and their science are at it again ... Carbon dioxide (CO2) levels this century will alter the protein, micronutrients, and vitamin content of rice grains with potential health consequences for the poorest rice-dependent countries

Declines of protein and minerals essential for humans, including iron and zinc, have been reported for crops in response to rising atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration, [CO2]. For the current century, estimates of the potential human health impact of these declines range from 138 million to 1.4 billion, depending on the nutrient.

   884. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5679101)
If you looked any place but your selectively partisan Political Wire "news aggregator", you'd have already known that Congressman Garrett announced that he was running for re-election, not quitting.


Thanks for the update man. I appreciate it.
   885. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5679102)
That letter is a joke of course. No Ivy league person could have every written that.


This reminds me of an anecdote from graduate school - almost three decades ago, so this isn't a Trump-specific anecdote at all, but Trump did, of course, graduate from Penn.

So, my first year of graduate school, I had a classmate who had just graduated from Penn. I, on the other hand, had just graduated from Valparaiso University, so I asked him what the student body was like at an Ivy League school. He described the undergraduate student body at Penn as follows: "Everybody at Penn is either really smart, or really rich, and there's no overlap between the two groups."
   886. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5679105)
Enter Nancy Pelosi (I hear she might be old, but still) ... Nancy Pelosi’s 2018 strategy: ignore Trump, focus on the economy

From Real Clear Politics, President Trump Job Approval Rating On The Economy: Approve 50.8%, Disapprove 44,5%, a +6.3% advantage, which is notably better than his overall rating. Contesting the midterm on a President's strongest ground doesn't seem like smart politics, so it's perhaps not surprising Bitter Mouse would get it wrong, but what's Pelosi's excuse?
   887. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5679107)
So I feel really bad about misleading people about Garrett (above), so I think I really need to correct the record and quote from the article Clapper so helpfully linked to.

Here is the link with the actual headline: Reeling Garrett decides to run again

It is all good, but here are the first few paragraphs:
GOP Rep. Tom Garrett told reporters on Thursday that he will, in fact, seek reelection in November — a day after telling associates he was considering retiring.

During a rambling, roughly half-hour news conference in Washington, the first-term Virginia congressman said that he told political allies on Wednesday that he might not seek another term and was considering his options. But he said Thursday he decided to run again.

“There is no way in heck that I’m not going to be back here in 2019 as a member of the Congress representing the 5th District of Virginia. Too darn much is at stake,“ said Garrett, a 46-year-old member of the House Freedom Caucus.

Garrett on Tuesday evening abruptly parted ways with his chief of staff, Jimmy Keady. Then, on Wednesday, POLITICO reported that the congressman was reconsidering whether to seek reelection to his seat, which stretches from the southern part of the state to its more northern reaches.


I think it is great we can have this one instance where both Clapper and I are pleased by the outcome of a political affair.
   888. Swoboda is freedom Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5679108)
So, my first year of graduate school, I had a classmate who had just graduated from Penn. I, on the other hand, had just graduated from Valparaiso University, so I asked him what the student body was like at an Ivy League school. He described the undergraduate student body at Penn as follows: "Everybody at Penn is either really smart, or really rich, and there's no overlap between the two groups."

My experience at Yale was either really smart or really rich (like same name as a building rich) or fit a need (usually athletic). Sometimes they liked people who had an interesting story or background. The only reason I got in was I applied from the Army. I know this because 2 years I had been rejected.

If you were not a legacy, you had to be really talented.
   889. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:40 PM (#5679110)
Emmet Flood, WH attorney dealing with the Russia probe, attended the the start of the DOJ meeting on confidential FBI source, I am told. He left meeting shortly after. He was spotted by @LauraAJarrett leaving DOJ with John Kelly


Others confirming it.

Just absolutely breathtaking.
   890. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:41 PM (#5679111)
Just absolutely breathtaking.


Shush you, it is OK if you are a Republican.
   891. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5679112)
Just absolutely breathtaking.

Shush you, it is OK if you are a Republican.


You know who looks really stupidest?

Devin Nunes for bothering with an Uber.
   892. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5679113)
If you were not a legacy, you had to be really talented.


So it's half like getting a job in the Trump administration?
   893. Count Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5679114)
It’s not too late now to be outraged by felony murder (at least as applied to accomplices being killed). The fact that people who were unfamiliar with the concept found it appalling is a sign that something is amiss. “This is what the law has been for a long time, therefore you can’t complain” is a bad take.
   894. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5679115)
As usual, whenever a Trump is concerned it's hard to distinguish truth from fiction:

You Better Give Our Dad A Good Trade Deal Or You’ll Be Sorry!’ Shout Angry Trump Boys On Phone With Employee Of Local Chinese Restaurant
WASHINGTON—Issuing a series of threats and warnings to gain the East Asian government’s cooperation, an angry Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump reportedly shouted “You better give our dad a good trade deal or you’ll be sorry!” while on the phone Thursday with an employee of a local Chinese food restaurant. “If you don’t stop trying to do bad things to our dad’s smart idea for a trading deal, you’re gonna be in a whole lot of big trouble,” said Donald Jr., repeatedly interrupting the confused employee’s efforts to ask for their order to criticize the Chinese government ramping up a trade war with the United States, then covering the speaker with his hand and assuring his brother that “they’re definitely super afraid of us and gonna give in.” “Look, we got way cooler stuff than you guys, so you better keep letting our junk into your dumb country. And tell your pal King Jong-un [sic] not to mess with the trade deal either, or Dad’s gonna be real mad and then nuke all of you with the army. We need 100 more dollars to make the deal work and that’s our final offer. And no trade-backs! Hold on, my brother wants to yell at you now.” At press time, the baffled restaurant employee was trying to confirm the order of a large General Tso’s chicken and pot stickers while the Trump boys frantically tried to untangle themselves from the phone cord.
   895. McCoy Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5679116)
“This is what the law has been for a long time, therefore you can’t complain” is a bad take.

That is basically going to be the Trump campaign slogan for the 2020 election.
   896. Zonk just has affection for alumni Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5679117)
It’s not too late now to be outraged by felony murder (at least as applied to accomplices being killed). The fact that people who were unfamiliar with the concept found it appalling is a sign that something is amiss. “This is what the law has been for a long time, therefore you can’t complain” is a bad take.


Well, Jason and Clapper are still reeling from learning that search warrants might be served at 6 AM.

They're new to this being outraged at problems in the criminal justice system so they're starting with the most outrageous of the abuses.... Paul Manafort being awoken from a sound slumber.
   897. Eddo Posted: May 24, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5679121)
Well, Jason and Clapper are still reeling from learning that search warrants might be served at 6 AM.

They're new to this being outraged at problems in the criminal justice system so they're starting with the most outrageous of the abuses.... Paul Manafort being awoken from a sound slumber.


Jason is not aligned with Clapper on this one. His post 721 on the last page:
Based on a quick read of the excerpt, a murder charge seems way beyond the pale. And if the state statute on accomplice liability really allows for this ####, then that's gotta change.
   898. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 24, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5679124)
As usual, whenever a Trump is concerned it's hard to distinguish truth from fiction:

Andy's insistence on taking his political cues from The Onion continues to amaze.
   899. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 24, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5679126)
The Felony Murder Rule is as old as the hills, so it's a bit late to be outraged.

It is never too late to be outraged at an injustice. That is how societies progress. Otherwise, we would still be keeping slaves, and keeping wives as property. Though I realize of course, those things would be a plus for you.
   900. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: May 24, 2018 at 04:06 PM (#5679128)


The Felony Murder Rule is as old as the hills, so it's a bit late to be outraged.

.


Tell it to your president, as today he pardoned Jack Johnson for a crime that was as old as the hills when he was convicted of it.
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