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OTP 2018 May 7: George F. Will Is the Umpire on Politics and Baseball

I sat down Washington Post columnist and author George F. Will in Austin, Texas, in late March to chat about the current administration and America’s favorite pastime — baseball. We discuss politics in the age of polarization and the future of America.

Baseball is the sport of America’s future, Will argues, as parents stop letting their children play football because of the dangers of lifelong head and body injuries.

 

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 06, 2018 at 02:42 PM | 1452 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5668026)
Right, so the supposed "boom" of getting them to "blink" turns out to be no effect at all.
Only that's not what blokes on your side claimed. They predicted something close to Armageddon if we withdrew.
   202. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5668027)
Other than Twitter, what's the problem?
As Trump almost certainly knows, Peter S[trzok] has probably been cooperating with the IG. He'll be gone soon enough.
   203. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5668030)
Defamation laws: How do they work?


When it's something you approve, you holster. When it's not, you ##### like a 12 year old girl. QED.
   204. BDC Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5668031)
They predicted something close to Armageddon if we withdrew

But you're predicting something close to Armageddon whether we withdraw or not.

No, it's just looking-glass logic. But I see that your substantive point, as so often, JE, is that some nitwits in the left-wing media might be wrong about something. Carry on as usual :)
   205. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5668032)
But you're predicting something close to Armageddon whether we withdraw or not.


No he's not. He's not predicting anything. He's spinning. He has taken on fully-fledged the trolling aspects of SBB and Clapper. He has no principle or bearing other than "stupid libtards are stupid." He gets every talking point he has from the the fringeiest fringe of the right wing swamps. He'd be all in for InforWars if it weren't for a few issues with Israel and Alex Jones.
   206. Lassus Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5668033)
As Trump almost certainly knows

And I thought my jokes were bad.
   207. -- Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:44 PM (#5668035)
He has taken on fully-fledged the trolling aspects of SBB and Clapper. He has no principle or bearing


By the way, it's completely false that I have no principles. What's really chapping people isn't that I have no principles, but that I'm holding fast to my principles even with Trump in the presidency. That's the problem.
   208. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5668041)
But you're predicting something close to Armageddon whether we withdraw or not.
Except I didn't say that. If the deal can't be amended (i.e., ending the sunset dates, strengthening the inspections regime, and prohibiting the testing of ballistic missiles), then withdrawal and reinstitution of other crippling sanctions is the way to go. Also on the agenda would be Sammy's favorite: Regime change.
   209. zenbitz Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5668042)
Speaking of the ACLU... I have a social question for y'all.

I am attending a cousin's wedding in NY this month. It's costing me ~$1000 to fly out there and stay. How much should I pony up for their wedding gift? They are only registered at charities (including the ACLU). I am pretty sure the future Mr. Cousin is loaded as they are getting married in May at the Central Part Boathouse. I haven't talked to my cousin in years, barely know her.

Please phase your answer in the form of % of monthly paycheck.


PS I'll be hanging out in NYC for a couple of days 5/20-22 if anyone wants to meatspace. Wait. That sounds creepy.
   210. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5668044)
Cute, except the sanctions were working. We cast aside all of our leverage, including junking non-nuclear sanctions, in the desire to normalize ties with the terrorist regime.
Is the current talking point really that "sanctions were working"? I guess I just don't see the mechanism. Sanctions are a decent tool for bringing someone to the table to negotiate, or for punishing someone for misbehavior, but they are a very clumsy tool for actually enforcing behavior. If nothing else, how do you know they are working?

They are also very difficult to maintain over time, especially when you are reliant on actors like Russia to support policy goals they may not care about.

Anyway, the head of the IAEA did not think sanctions were working, in 2013:
VIENNA (Reuters) - Iran is making “steady progress” in expanding its nuclear program and international sanctions do not seem to be slowing it down, the U.N. nuclear agency chief told Reuters on Monday. link

John Bolton agreed:
The belief that economic sanctions will curb Iran’s nuclear ambitions is “fundamentally false,” a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Wednesday.link

   211. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5668045)
PS I'll be hanging out in NYC for a couple of days 5/20-22 if anyone wants to meatspace. Wait. That sounds creepy.
Get on the phone with the cousin tout suite and inform him that our Central Park softball game is in August so please re-schedule for that weekend.

Also, candlesticks always make a nice gift.
   212. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5668047)
Also on the agenda would be Sammy's favorite: Regime change.


He buried the lede. The only thing Jason will accept is bombs falling in Tehran. The bigger the better. He wants war. He's always wanted war. Always war, just so long as it's other people's children being blown to hell. Jason loves his keyboard too much to actually fight.
   213. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:59 PM (#5668049)
Is the current talking point really that "sanctions were working"?


That became the talking point on the war-mongering right the moment Obama tried something else. Before that, the line was that sanctions were pointless and all that would work is bombing runs. They're working diligently to get back to the ante position where they can once again agitate openly and aggressively for all out war.

This is what they are. This is what they want. All out war against Iran. For Jason, it's "regime change." For SBB, it's "invade and colonize."
   214. BDC Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5668050)
How much should I pony up for their wedding gift?

1% of your monthly paycheck for a nice small artwork from a local amateur gallery near you.

Though I have no idea what you make. Maybe 1% of your monthly take-home is enough for a Matisse.
   215. Swoboda is freedom Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:02 PM (#5668051)
I'll be hanging out in NYC for a couple of days 5/20-22 if anyone wants to meatspace

Sorry, I don't go to gay bars. Not there is anything wrong with that.
   216. The Good Face Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:02 PM (#5668052)
I am attending a cousin's wedding in NY this month. It's costing me ~$1000 to fly out there and stay. How much should I pony up for their wedding gift? They are only registered at charities (including the ACLU). I am pretty sure the future Mr. Cousin is loaded as they are getting married in May at the Central Part Boathouse. I haven't talked to my cousin in years, barely know her.

Please phase your answer in the form of % of monthly paycheck.


Use the money to build a time machine, go back to when you opened the invitation, and tell past-Zenbitz to check the "I will not be attending" box on the RSVP card.

Who flies cross country to attend the wedding of people you barely know?
   217. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:04 PM (#5668054)
Anyway, the head of the IAEA did not think sanctions were working, in 2013:
Which is why Congress at the time was advocating still tougher sanctions while the administration was trying to undo them altogether. And yet, even as late as 2015, the Iranian economy was on the brink of collapse.
John Bolton agreed:
I respectfully disagreed with Bolton at the time. As you know, he was promoting air strikes and I thought that was silly: Obama had made very clear he would never resort to *any* use of military force.
   218. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5668056)
He buried the lede. The only thing Jason will accept is bombs falling in Tehran.
Regime change can also be achieved without military force, Swampy.
   219. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5668058)
Use the money to build a time machine, go back to when you opened the invitation, and tell past-Zenbitz to check the "I will not be attending" box on the RSVP card.

Who flies cross country to attend the wedding of people you barely know?
Tough but fair.
   220. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:10 PM (#5668061)
Has Srul posted lately? I hope he's safe, that's some hell being unleashed on the big island.
   221. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:20 PM (#5668063)
Srul is very old. It's just evolution at work, man.
   222. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:21 PM (#5668064)
Who flies cross country to attend the wedding of people you barely know?


People who have the chance to go to New York ####### CITY!!
   223. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:36 PM (#5668072)
The 2 NoI groups are the "Nation of Islam Prison Reform Ministry of Oklahoma Inc.", and the "Nation of Islam of Atlanta Community Education Center Inc." The national NoI organization is NOT on that list, nor are the hundreds of their other local affiliates.

In addition to those two, you missed Muhammad Mosque No. 7 in Harlem (only NoI's NY HQ), Muhammad Mosque No. 24 in Richmond, and Mosque No. 13 in Springfield, Massachusetts.


Wherever those three Mosques may be, they're not on any of the five pages and among the 110 listings when you search for "Nation of Islam". The only two listed are on page 1, and they're the ones I mentioned. Do you want me to copy and paste the entire list?

Additionally, Islamic extremist groups remain eligible at last check, such as CAIR and the Islamic Center of Jersey City.

You can keep up your crusade against those groups, but given your credibility so far, I think I'll wait for you to acknowledge Trump's racism before further engaging with you on any other groups you want to label. With you these labelings are strictly a one way street.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Nothing like a little motivation, Andy, amirite?

SPLC Pulls Controversial ‘Anti-Muslim Extremist’ List After Legal Threats [VIDEO]


I said I disagreed with the inclusion of Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the SPLC list of individuals the first time her name was brought up here. I have her first two books and I've seen her interviewed many times, and though I don't agree with many of her views I see her far more as a Solzhenitsynlike witness with flaws than I do as a hatemonger, and I'm glad they removed her name. Ditto for Maajid Nawaz, whose inclusion is more than strange.

But the rest of your link is typical Daily Caller crap, still defending groups like the Family Research Council, whose hateful words speak for themselves. Whatever their occasional screwups, the SPLC's accuracy in labeling is infinitely more accurate than its usual set of detractors. Those hateful words and sentiments they quote in evidence aren't going away.

And I'm still waiting you to put Trump on your personal list of racists, but I'm not holding my breath. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but it obviously does or you'd try to refute the charge instead of always ignoring it.
   224. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:41 PM (#5668075)
By the way, it's completely false that I have no principles. What's really chapping people isn't that I have no principles, but that I'm holding fast to my principles even with Trump in the presidency. That's the problem.
Trolling is sort of a principle.
   225. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5668077)

Also, candlesticks always make a nice gift.
If I've learned anything from the board game Clue, it's that they're very useful.
   226. zenbitz Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5668078)
Use the money to build a time machine, go back to when you opened the invitation, and tell past-Zenbitz to check the "I will not be attending" box on the RSVP card.


inorite? and I freaking HATE weddings. But I am escorting my mom, who is kinda blind, and it turns out I have to go to Toronto a few days later to nerf some Genome Canada grants, so, it's only like "half" flying across the country?
   227. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5668079)
#### all this political ####. If threads can be hijacked by video gaming geeks and Civil War freaks, I feel no guilt about posting this bit from The New Yorker:

My N.B.A. Knowledge Comes In Handy

Me: Sir, I would like to ask for your daughter’s hand in marriage.

My Girlfriend’s Father: Absolutely not, Jesse. You don’t have stable employment, you don’t own a car or a house, you’ve never showed an interest in having a family, and my daughter says you’re emotionally unavailable.

Me: You’re right, I really have nothing. This must be how the Detroit Pistons’ general manager Joe Dumars felt after he drafted the disappointing Darko Miličić over the superstar Carmelo Anthony in the 2003 N.B.A. draft. I’m sorry I wasted your time—

My Girlfriend’s Father: Wait a second. You know the tertiary details of the Darko Miličić saga?

Me: Yes, I do. Instead of tending to your daughter’s emotional needs, I’ve spent years reading about the inner workings of the National Basketball Association.

My Girlfriend’s Father: This makes me reconsider your candidacy as a son-in-law.

Me: It does?

My Girlfriend’s Father: Of course! Knowing about that obscure blip in N.B.A. history is exactly what I’ve been looking for in a son-in-law. Not only can you marry my daughter—you can also inherit my company.

Me: My goodness, thank you, sir! What does your company do?

My Girlfriend’s Father: That doesn’t matter. As long as you keep reading about basketball, you’ll do a great job as C.E.O. And you’ll have access to our company box at the Garden, where the New York Knicks play.

Me: And have played since February of 1968. Thank you, sir!

My Girlfriend’s Father: Please, call me Pop.

Me: “Pop”? As in the nickname of the Spurs’ coach, Gregg (Pop) Popovich?

My Girlfriend’s Father: No. As in father.




Police Officer: Do you know why I pulled you over?

Me: Yes, officer. I was speeding.

P.O.: I clocked you going ninety-one miles an hour. The speed limit is sixty-five. That’s a difference of twenty-six miles an hour.

Me: It’s also Kyle Korver’s jersey number.

P.O.: And I ran your license plate and saw that you have unpaid speeding tickets in—wait a second. Did you say that twenty-six is the number that Kyle Korver—rotation player and shooting specialist for the Cleveland Cavaliers—wears?

Me: Yes. I’ve memorized the numbers of every player in the N.B.A.

P.O.: Are you a savant?

Me: Far from it. I just read about basketball all the time. In fact, it’s the only thing I read nowadays.

P.O.: You stopped reading books?

Me: Yeah, I don’t feel competitive when I read about basketball players. But, when I read a great book, a big part of me is feeling jealous of it.

P.O.: Even when you read something you’d never write? Like Tolstoy?

Me: Yes, I even feel threatened by Tolstoy.

P.O.: I’m sorry you’re plagued by this self-doubt and borderline hubris. And I’m even more sorry that I pulled you over. Memorizing all those players’ numbers to distract yourself from your own creative hangups is really smart.

Me: You think so?

P.O.: Absolutely. In fact, I’m so impressed that I will make sure the district attorney understands your passion for basketball trivia and expunges your other traffic violations....
   228. zenbitz Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:52 PM (#5668082)
1% of your monthly paycheck for a nice small artwork from a local amateur gallery near you.


Just to be clear - I AM going to give to one of their chosen charities... but since I never go to weddings I have no idea what a proper gift is for a man of my social standing. 1% does seem about right.
   229. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:54 PM (#5668084)
They are only registered at charities (including the ACLU). I am pretty sure the future Mr. Cousin is loaded as they are getting married in May at the Central Part Boathouse.

I wouldn't donate to something I wouldn't give to on my own, but YMMV. Where they are registered isn't binding on guests, it's for the convenience of those who may need help selecting a gift. If you can't pick out some candlesticks, wine glasses or salt & pepper shakers, why are you even going? Heck, just give them a toaster and they'll always remember you.
   230. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 07, 2018 at 06:09 PM (#5668087)
Another side of the Black Cube?

Ned Price, a partisan liberal and Trump critic who spent over a decade working in the CIA, said, "There is a circumstantial case to be made that a lot of this points back to former White House officials, people like Sebastian Gorka. It's very odd that Ben Rhodes and Colin Call were the alleged targets of this operation. They were not the architects of the Iran deal. Yes, they worked on it. But they were the focus of Sebastian Gorka. If you look at what he said during this time, he consistently harps on these two individuals and then just last night, we learned from a UK paper and from the New Yorker that this intelligence agency, this intelligence firm, was focusing on these very two individuals."

And someone on Twitter reposted this 2017 Sebastian Gorka video from an episode of Hannity, which they say coincided with the covert Black Cube effort. In it, Gorka warns America of the "Ben Rhodes-Colin Kahl Nexus."
   231. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 07, 2018 at 06:26 PM (#5668093)
... but since I never go to weddings I have no idea what a proper gift is for a man of my social standing. 1% does seem about right.

What social standing? You post at BBTF. One percent of your income would be be way above the candlestick equivalent for non-paupers. $100 seems OK for people you don't really know who are wealthier than you, too. But if you're escorting your mother, a joint gift might be in order.
   232. tshipman Posted: May 07, 2018 at 06:30 PM (#5668095)
Speaking of the ACLU... I have a social question for y'all.

I am attending a cousin's wedding in NY this month. It's costing me ~$1000 to fly out there and stay. How much should I pony up for their wedding gift? They are only registered at charities (including the ACLU). I am pretty sure the future Mr. Cousin is loaded as they are getting married in May at the Central Part Boathouse. I haven't talked to my cousin in years, barely know her.

Please phase your answer in the form of % of monthly paycheck.


% of income is the wrong answer for a non-close family member.

You should be performing an estimate of how much they are spending to feed/entertain you and match that accordingly.

IOW, if they are serving steak, their food costs are something like $100/person. If they have a hosted bar, add $30 to that. If they have DJ, add $20, if they have a live band, add $30.

Anywhere from $100-200 for a single guest is appropriate.

Edit: Strongly disagree that a joint gift with mom is appropriate. You are not 12 (presumably).
   233. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 06:55 PM (#5668110)
Another side of the Black Cube?
What do we have here, another conspiracy theory from the Echo Chamber, which spent all of 2015 trying to rip apart reporters who asked tough questions about Obama's Iran policy, let alone the nuke deal's opponents? How cute.
   234. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 06:57 PM (#5668113)
If they have DJ, add subtract $20 $200.
   235. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:08 PM (#5668122)
Poll:
WASHINGTON (CNN)President Donald Trump's approval rating is holding steady in a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, but his numbers on handling several key issues are climbing, as almost 6 in 10 say things in the country are going well.

Overall, 41% approve of the President's work, and 53% disapprove. Those numbers are about the same as at the end of March.

On the issues, however, Trump's numbers are climbing. Approval is up 4 points on the economy to 52%, the first time it's topped 50% since March 2017; up 5 points on foreign trade to 43% approval; and his numbers on immigration have improved 4 points since February, with 40% now approving. On handling foreign affairs, Trump's approval rating tops 40% for the first time since April of 2017, though the increase since March is not statistically significant (42% approve currently).

The President's improving issue ratings come amid a sharp rise in positive impressions of how the country is doing. Overall, 57% say things are going well in the US today -- up from 49% saying the same in February -- which is the largest proportion to say so since January of 2007.

That shift, as well as some of the improvement in Trump's issue approvals, stems from more positive ratings from Democrats. In the new poll, 40% of Democrats say things in the US are going well, up from 25% who said so in February. Democrats' approval rating for Trump's handling of the economy is up 11 points to 26%.
   236. Howie Menckel Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:17 PM (#5668125)

wtf

Eric Schneiderman, New York’s attorney general, has long been a liberal Democratic champion of women’s rights, and recently he has become an outspoken figure in the #MeToo movement against sexual harassment. As New York State’s highest-ranking law-enforcement officer, Schneiderman, who is sixty-three, has used his authority to take legal action against the disgraced film mogul Harvey Weinstein, and to demand greater compensation for the victims of Weinstein’s alleged sexual crimes. Last month, when the Times and this magazine were awarded a joint Pulitzer Prize for coverage of sexual harassment, Schneiderman issued a congratulatory tweet, praising “the brave women and men who spoke up about the sexual harassment they had endured at the hands of powerful men.”

Now Schneiderman is facing a reckoning of his own. As his prominence as a voice against sexual misconduct has risen, so, too, has the distress of four women with whom he has had romantic relationships or encounters. They accuse Schneiderman of having subjected them to nonconsensual physical violence. All have been reluctant to speak out, fearing reprisal. But two of the women, Michelle Manning Barish and Tanya Selvaratnam, have talked to The New Yorker on the record, because they feel that doing so could protect other women. They allege that he repeatedly hit them, often after drinking, frequently in bed and never with their consent. Manning Barish and Selvaratnam categorize the abuse he inflicted on them as “assault.”
   237. SouthSideRyan Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:17 PM (#5668126)
1%? I’ve either been too generous to my friends or you people make too much money
   238. tshipman Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:26 PM (#5668133)
Post 235 is a good example of why approval ratings for the economy are kind of dumb.

Trump hasn't had anything to do with the current state of the economy. Inevitably, when we face the next business cycle recession, Trump won't have had anything to do with that either.
   239. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:27 PM (#5668134)
You should be performing an estimate of how much they are spending to feed/entertain you and match that accordingly.


I was about to post something along the lines of "whatever the check would have been if you'd bought the dinner and drinks yourself."

When my daughter gets married, I'm just going to write her a check for $50K and tell her she'd be better off skipping the party.
   240. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:27 PM (#5668135)
Now Schneiderman is facing a reckoning of his own.
Shocked, not shocked.
As his prominence as a voice against sexual misconduct has risen, so, too, has the distress of four women with whom he has had romantic relationships or encounters.
If any of these four women are telling the truth, he's history.
   241. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:29 PM (#5668138)
What's up with this "1% of income" rule? This is a wedding gift, not an engagement ring. If a closer family member is getting married, give maybe 2 1/2 - 3X the standard amount.
   242. -- Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:30 PM (#5668140)
She finally freed herself and got back on her feet. “I was crying and in shock,” she says. She recalls shouting, “Are you crazy?” To her astonishment, Schneiderman accused her of scratching him. At one point—she can’t remember if it was at this moment or in a later conversation—he told her, “You know, hitting an officer of the law is a felony.”


Fake lawyer was fake lawyering.
   243. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:33 PM (#5668141)
Whoa if true:
BREAKING: Comey and Yates had at least 5 members of Trump's team under secret federal surveillance during the 2016 campaign, including Gen. Flynn
Are we starting to get an even clearer picture as to who's really been ####### with our democracy?
   244. BDC Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:39 PM (#5668143)
Heh, I don’t think 1% of a month’s take-home is a rule or anything. I myself would spend $50, thoughtfully on a unique item, for someone I didn’t know well; that’s 1% of my take-home, and zenbitz wanted a percentage.

I think it scales OK. You can get nice unique art objects for more or less. Round up or down as needed.

Matching what they spend on the wedding makes sense, but potentially tacks your gift to their madness :-D
   245. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:39 PM (#5668144)
Are we starting to get an even clearer picture as to who's really been ####### with our democracy?


Putin and his fat, bald, spray-tanned fop of a stooge?

No, of course not. It’s the darkie.
   246. -- Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:41 PM (#5668148)
Are we starting to get an even clearer picture as to who's really been ####### with our democracy?


Wouldn't be remotely surprising, as I've often noted -- but significantly more detail and confirmation is needed.
   247. tshipman Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:43 PM (#5668150)
Heh, I don’t think 1% of a month’s take-home is a rule or anything. I myself would spend $50, thoughtfully on a unique item, for someone I didn’t know well; that’s 1% of my take-home, and zenbitz wanted a percentage.

I think it scales OK. You can get nice unique art objects for more or less. Round up or down as needed.


If they asked for donations to the ACLU, don't get them bric a brac that they have to keep in their house out of guilt.
   248. -- Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:45 PM (#5668151)
Last fall, Mr. Schneiderman’s office proudly pointed to a segment on the late-night comedy show “Full Frontal with Samantha Bee,” in which the attorney general was described as “a hero who stood up to democracy’s nemesis,” a Superman-like character known as Schneider-man.


LOL.
   249. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:46 PM (#5668152)
JE, on this Black Cube story that literally just got reported, you've gone from "I'm not buying that it ever happened, where's the evidence?" to "it isn't evidence until I see it" to "hey, Democrats do the same" to "Israel says it was a business dispute" to a "Calgon, take me away!"-style word melange of whatabout, those rotten liberals, and conspiracists who couldn't handle the truth two years earlier. And that's all in 12 hours. You gotta pace yourself, man, you're gonna tear an ACL.
   250. BDC Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:48 PM (#5668153)
If they asked for donations to the ACLU, don't get them bric a brac that they have to keep in their house out of guilt

Hey, thanks for your confidence in my taste in art!

I dunno about the ACLU; I mean, the ACLU is fine, but donations sound more like a funeral than a wedding.
   251. -- Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:54 PM (#5668156)
The only thing to do regarding Schneiderman's conduct is to wait for the inevitable blaming of Donald Trump.
   252. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 07:55 PM (#5668159)
JE, on this Black Cube story that literally just got reported, you've gone from "I'm not buying that it ever happened, where's the evidence?" to "it isn't evidence until I see it" to "hey, Democrats do the same" to "Israel says it was a business dispute" to a "Calgon, take me away!"-style word melange of whatabout, those rotten liberals, and conspiracists who couldn't handle the truth two years earlier. And that's all in 12 hours. You gotta pace yourself, man, you're gonna tear an ACL.
There have been two reports and, to date, no visual evidence has been shared with readers. Still, my subsequent comments contain qualifiers to allow for the possibility that it indeed happened.

Meanwhile, Black Cube has denied both the substance of the charge and that it has anything to do with Trump people.
   253. Srul Itza Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:12 PM (#5668171)
This is what they are. This is what they want. All out war against Iran. For Jason, it's "regime change." For SBB, it's "invade and colonize."
'


For some of us, it's payback. I have been waiting nearly 40 years for this.
   254. -- Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:12 PM (#5668172)
"Sometimes, he'd tell me to call him Master, and he'd slap me until I did," said Selvaratnam, who was born in Sri Lanka, and has dark skin.

"He started calling me his 'brown slave' and demanding that I repeat that I was 'his property.' "


Classy. Particularly the "brown slave" part, redolent of something you'd expect a Strom Thurmond to say.
   255. Srul Itza Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:14 PM (#5668173)
Srul is very old. It's just evolution at work, man.


For the Geographically impaired, the Big Island is a whole 'nother island from Oahu, where most people live and work.

Floods to West and Lava to the East. Sunshine and rainbows here, though.
   256. perros Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:14 PM (#5668174)
Israel manipulates US politics, both overtly and covertly. Their very survival is at stake.
   257. perros Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:16 PM (#5668176)
And yes, Zionism IS racism. Israeli orthodox don't even pretend otherwise.
   258. perros Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:17 PM (#5668177)
Lava to the East


How's that flowing at the moment?
   259. zenbitz Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:17 PM (#5668178)
Just so we are clear - 1% of my monthly income is roughly $100-$200 depending on whether we are talking net or gross or including wife's income. So, y'all all all in the right ball park.

And I like the ACLU, so that seems fine. Last think I want is for relatives to REMEMBER me. Weirdos. Since I stand to inherit ~everything from Mom, everything she spends is basically a joint gift anyway.
   260. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:20 PM (#5668181)
Trump, 2013:
Weiner is gone, Spitzer is gone - next will be lightweight A.G. Eric Schneiderman. Is he a crook? Wait and see, worse than Spitzer or Weiner
Oofa.
   261. perros Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:21 PM (#5668183)

For some of us, it's payback. I have been waiting nearly 40 years for this

As you no doubt realize, for the Arabs, it's 70 years and counting. It's a crazy game Israel has to play with the Sunni.
   262. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:23 PM (#5668184)
The Onion nails it:

"Oliver North brings a wealth of experience in setting up back channels and illicitly exchanging funds with foreign adversaries, all while escaping any time in prison, which is exactly what the NRA is looking for in its leadership."
   263. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:27 PM (#5668185)
I mean, the ACLU is fine, but donations sound more like a funeral than a wedding.

More like one of OTP's favorite phrases: virtue signaling.

   264. perros Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:28 PM (#5668186)
I was quite the NBA nut in my yout. Too bad Bill Bradley never made the White House.
   265. Count Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:32 PM (#5668188)
Re 243 - who is Paul Sperry (the guy JE linked to)?

I'm guessing the real criminals are the people who have been indicted and/or pleaded guilty, but I know you don't see it that way!
   266. Count Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:35 PM (#5668191)
Ok the tweet before the one JE linked to says this:

@paulsperry_
8h8 hours ago
BREAKING: Comey lied to his memoir re Gen. Flynn:

(p. 253) "On Jan 24 (2017), I dispatched 2 agents to White House to interview Flynn. He lied to the agents"

(declassified HPSCI interview March 2, 2017) "They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them"


Of course Comey was correct: Flynn plead guilty to lying.
   267. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:36 PM (#5668193)

If they asked for donations to the ACLU, don't get them bric a brac that they have to keep in their house out of guilt

Hey, thanks for your confidence in my taste in art!

I dunno about the ACLU; I mean, the ACLU is fine, but donations sound more like a funeral than a wedding.
The ACLU used to be fine, maybe. Now they're not really interested in civil liberties, but just left-wing politics. Speaking of more like a funeral than a wedding, what was really weird was when one of my son's classmates (first graders, we're talking about) asked for charitable donations instead of presents. I mean, the charity was St. Jude's, and maybe there's a family issue there (I have no idea), but I find it hard to believe that a 7-year old actually wanted that.
   268. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:37 PM (#5668194)

The only thing to do regarding Schneiderman's conduct is to wait for the inevitable blaming of Donald Trump.
I'm sure you and Ray will find some way that it's Hillary's fault.
   269. Count Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:37 PM (#5668195)
Schneiderman's gotta be out soon unless he has a very compelling rebuttal. He was up for reelection this year. If there's still time for people to enter wouldn't be surprised if Preet Bharara makes a run for it (gives him a good platform and he's otherwise pretty much blocked politically for a few years).
   270. Howie Menckel Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:43 PM (#5668199)
ftfa, this is Schneiderman's initial defense:

“In the privacy of intimate relationships, I have engaged in role-playing and other consensual sexual activity. I have not assaulted anyone. I have never engaged in nonconsensual sex, which is a line I would not cross.”
   271. Chicago Joe Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:44 PM (#5668200)
This is a wedding gift, not an engagement ring.


Sweet baby Jesus Ezekiel, your mother must be in tears.
   272. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:48 PM (#5668203)
Of course Comey was correct:
So why did Comey lie in the book and again when confronted with his HPSCI testimony during the Bret Baier interview?

EDIT: Sucks for Comey that his testimony is no longer redacted. Why it was blacked out to begin with seems pretty troubling.
   273. -- Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:49 PM (#5668204)
“In the privacy of intimate relationships, I have engaged in role-playing


The women all scoff at this.
   274. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:52 PM (#5668206)
1% of my monthly income

Oh, monthly - missed the qualifier. Not so far off then, although I wouldn't worry about any formula.
   275. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:01 PM (#5668213)
ABGL Albany bureau chief:
BREAKING: @NYGovCuomo will call for @AGSchneiderman resignation, per source.
Boom.
   276. Howie Menckel Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:02 PM (#5668214)
yep, JE, that escalated quickly. Preet Bharara is a must pickup in all AG fantasy leagues

HowardKurtz
‏Verified account @HowardKurtz
3m3 minutes ago

Andrew Cuomo has just called on his AG Eric Schneiderman to resign over allegations of hitting four women, contained in shocking New Yorker piece


Nick Reisman
‏Verified account @NickReisman
15m15 minutes ago

Legislature picks the next attorney general if there’s a vacancy, making it up in essence to the Assembly. No one I’ve talked to in last hour thinks Schneiderman hangs on.

   277. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:06 PM (#5668216)
Just checked Cynthia Nixon's twitter feed. Nothing yet from her on Schneiderman.

Are you hearing anything, Howie?
   278. -- Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5668217)
There's no chance he holds on. He'll be lucky if he avoids jail. It's recent conduct, and women have put their names to it.
   279. Chicago Joe Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:09 PM (#5668218)
The women all scoff at this.


It is a thing.
   280. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:23 PM (#5668223)
“In the privacy of intimate relationships, I have engaged in role-playing and other consensual sexual activity. I have not assaulted anyone. I have never engaged in nonconsensual sex, which is a line I would not cross.”

Four women disagree? That's going to be a tough sell, especially given how quickly his political allies have thrown him under the bus. But maybe he has video tapes to prove his "innocence"?
   281. Count Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:26 PM (#5668224)
So why did Comey lie in the book and again when confronted with his HPSCI testimony during the Bret Baier interview?

EDIT: Sucks for Comey that his testimony is no longer redacted. Why it was blacked out to begin with seems pretty troubling.


Comey didn't lie. He apparently testified (this is a Fox News link because most real news sites aren't very interested in this non-story) that FBI agents saw no 'physical indications of deception' by Flynn. But despite the initial impressions of the FBI agents, Flynn had actually lied, as he plead guilty to. There is no contradiction between stating that the FBI agents didn't see physical indications of deception in his interview and stating that Flynn lied. They found out he lied because they had surveilled the Russian ambassador. Maybe you should wonder why Flynn lied about his conversation with the Russian ambassador instead of continually rolling out these crackpot theories that immediately evaporate upon scrutiny.
   282. Count Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:28 PM (#5668225)
Based on other men in this situation you'd have to think these aren't the only 4 women, too.
   283. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:30 PM (#5668227)
It is a thing.


It is. Not sure this is going to fly as a defense here, though. You seem to have four women all telling the same story of mental, emotional and physical abuse, and none of them are running with the "some BDSM" angle at all. That sounds like a guy that used "rough sex" as an excuse to justify why he wasn't an abusive #######, to himself. At best. Certainly not a hill to die on in upstate New York.

Of course, to be clear, neither Jason nor Clapper have any interest in these women's well being or their abuse. This is nothing but a political football for either of them. (Howie I give the benefit of doubt.)
   284. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:50 PM (#5668240)
Trump, 2013:
Weiner is gone, Spitzer is gone - next will be lightweight A.G. Eric Schneiderman. Is he a crook? Wait and see, worse than Spitzer or Weiner

Oofa.
By this equation, the terrible truth behind Donald Trump's equally vague hints about Senator Jon Tester should emerge in 2023 or 2024.

Nevertheless, it's admirable that Trump spoke out in 2013, however obliquely, in defense of women.
   285. Count Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:55 PM (#5668242)
Annnnd he's gone. Schneiderman just announced he's resigning.
   286. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:55 PM (#5668243)
#281:
Maybe you should wonder why [Mike] Flynn lied about his conversation with the Russian ambassador


But which conversation?
   287. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:01 PM (#5668245)
Comey didn't lie.
Yes, he did. When Baier *specifically* asked him about the testimony he gave to HPSCI, he flatly denied saying the things he actually said. (Again, he probably assumed what was redacted would stay redacted. Oops.)

As for what he wrote in the book, I concede it might not be an outright lie but it sure as hell was misleading, since he omitted mention of the agents' conclusions.
   288. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:03 PM (#5668247)
At one point—she can’t remember if it was at this moment or in a later conversation—[Schneiderman] told her, “You know, hitting an officer of the law is a felony.”


I heard a story many years ago about John Kennedy ushering ladies into a side office or a walk-in closet and then saying, "Stop struggling, this is your Commander-in-Chief." (How much force/non-force and how much joke/non-joke was involved, I have no idea.)
   289. Chicago Joe Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:06 PM (#5668248)
Rickey: yeah, he's toast.
   290. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:15 PM (#5668252)
Much like an anti-abortion, married politico paying for his girlfriend's abortion, Schneiderman's outspoken embrace of the #MeToo movement meant his political survival was impossible.
   291. zenbitz Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:15 PM (#5668253)
If donating to the ACLU is virtue signallng, what is pointing out that "I was into them back in the day, but then they sold out to Librul America"??? Virtual Hipster Signaling?
   292. zenbitz Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:17 PM (#5668254)
Yeah best case scenario for Schneiderman is that he only THOUGHT they were consenting to role-play. Don't the the door hit your ass on the way out, scum bag.
   293. Chicago Joe Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:22 PM (#5668257)
Much like an anti-abortion, married politico paying for his girlfriend's abortion, Schneiderman's outspoken embrace of the #MeToo movement meant his political survival was impossible.


Both situations are fair play, no?
   294. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5668259)
FTA:
After the former girlfriend ended the relationship, she told several friends about the abuse. A number of them advised her to keep the story to herself, arguing that Schneiderman was too valuable a politician for the Democrats to lose. She described this response as heartbreaking. And when Schneiderman heard that she had turned against him, she said, he warned her that politics was a tough and personal business, and that she’d better be careful. She told Selvaratnam that she had taken this as a threat.
With "friends" like these, huh? Of course, this attitude is what allowed Bill Clinton to be the elder statesman of his party for more than 16 years after leaving the White House.
   295. Count Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:32 PM (#5668262)
Yes, he did. When Baier *specifically* asked him about the testimony he gave to HPSCI, he flatly denied saying the things he actually said. (Again, he probably assumed what was redacted would stay redacted. Oops.)

As for what he wrote in the book, I concede it might not be an outright lie but it sure as hell was misleading, since he omitted mention of the agents' conclusions.


No, he didn't lie in either the book (already covered, though you're insisting it's misleading even though Comey said that Flynn lied to FBI agents and Flynn did in fact lie to the agents as, again, he plead guilty to) or the interview. According to the Washington Times, this is what Comey said to Baier:
Baier: Did you tell lawmakers that FBI agents didn’t believe former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn was lying intentionally to investigators.

Comey: No.

Baier: You did not—

Comey: And I saw that in the media. I don’t know what — someone misunderstood something I said. I didn’t believe that and didn’t say that.”


The actual testimony, linked in the Fox News article I linked to earlier, was apparently the following:

“Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents…discerned no physical indications of deception," said a new version of the report obtained by Fox News on Friday. "They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’”


That's not the same as saying the agents didn't believe Flynn was lying intentionally.

This is Flynn's statement of offense, which Flynn agreed to, in relevant part:

1. The defendant, MICHAEL T. FLYNN, who served as a surrogate and national
security advisor for the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump ("Campaign"), as a senior
member of President-Elect Trump's Transition Team ("Presidential Transition Team"), and as
the National Security Advisor to President Trump, made materially false statements and
omissions during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation ("FBI") on January 24,
2017, in Washington, D.C.
At the time of the interview, the FBI had an open investigation into
the Government of Russia's ("Russia") efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,
including the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia,
and whether there was any coordination between the Campaign and Russia's efforts.

2. FL YNN's false statements and omissions impeded and otherwise had a material
impact on the FBI's ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination
between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia's efforts to interfere with the 2016
presidential election.

False Statements Regarding FLYNN's Request to the Russian Ambassador that Russia
Refrain from Escalating the Situation in Response to U.S. Sanctions against Russia

3. On or about January 24, 2017, FLYNN agreed to be interviewed by agents from
the FBI ("January 24 voluntary interview"). During the interview, FLYNN falsely stated that he
did not ask Russia's Ambassador to the United States ("Russian Ambassador") to refrain from
escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against
Russia. FLYNN also falsely stated that he did not remember a follow-up conversation in which
the Russian Ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those
sanctions as a result of FL YNN's request. In truth and in fact, however, FLYNN then and there
knew that the following had occurred:


a. On or about December 28, 2016, then-President Barack Obama signed
Executive Order 13757, which was to take effect the following day. The
executive order announced sanctions against Russia in response to that
government's actions intended to interfere with the 2016 presidential
election ("U.S. Sanctions").

b. On or about December 28, 2016, the Russian Ambassador contacted
FLYNN.

c. On or about December 29, 2016, FLYNN called a senior official of the
Presidential Transition Team ("PTT official"), who was with other senior
·members of the Presidential Transition Team at the Mar-a-Lago resort in
Palm Beach, Florida, to discuss what, if anything, to communicate to the
Russian Ambassador about the U.S. Sanctions. On that call, FLYNN and
the PTT official discussed the U.S. Sanctions, including the potential
impact of those sanctions on the incoming administration's foreign policy
goals. The PIT official and FLYNN also discussed that the members of
the Presidential Transition Team at Mar-a-Lago did not want Russia to
escalate the situation.

d. Immediately after his phone call with the PTT official, FLYNN called the
Russian Ambassador and requested that Russia not escalate the situation
and only respond to the U.S. Sanctions in a reciprocal manner.

e. Shortly after his phone call with the Russian Ambassador, FLYNN spoke
with the PTT official to report on the substance of his call with the
Russian Ambassador, including their discussion of the U.S. Sanctions.

f. On or about December 30, 2016, Russian President Vladimir Putin
released a statement indicating that Russia would not take retaliatory
measures in response to the U.S. Sanctions at that time.

g. On or about December 31, 2016, the Russian Ambassador called FLYNN
and informed him that Russia had chosen not to retaliate in response to
FL YNN's request.

h. After his phone call with the Russian Ambassador, FLYNN spoke with
senior members of the Presidential Transition Team about FL YNN's
conversations with the Russian Ambassador regarding the U.S. Sanctions
and Russia's decision not to escalate the situation.
   296. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5668264)
Both situations are fair play, no?
Sure, which is why Tim Murphy resigned from the House two days after the news broke.
   297. Ray (CTL) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:37 PM (#5668266)
27. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 09:54 AM (#5667670)

Hey, I saw Ray's guy Turley all over the place on the cable news channels this weekend. I think Rudy is making him shake his head, just like the rest of us.

Interesting that he hasn't been quoted here lately. Can't imagine why...


I can. It's because you're lying. I've cited Turley on this board frequently and lately, including yesterday in post 1638 in which I wrote:

"Turley has been highly critical on plenty of occasions of Trump and his legal team on both the Comey/Mueller/Russia probe and on the Clifford affair. See, e.g., Turley's column today on Rudy Giuliani. (In today's column Turley uses the same word to describe Rudy's recent interviews that I used a few days ago: "disastrous.") But because Turley doesn't sign on to the various unhinged legal theories of the left he's seen as disqualifying to the left."

What do people get out of telling lies on a public message board?
   298. Stormy JE Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:39 PM (#5668268)
That's not the same as saying the agents didn't believe Flynn was lying intentionally.
NARRATOR: That is the same.

Or are you saying you don't believe Comey was lying intentionally? :)

This is Flynn's statement of offense, which Flynn agreed to, in relevant part:
We'll see.
   299. Ray (CTL) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:49 PM (#5668273)
Hannity, to Nunes:

"I only have twenty seconds. Is there anything I've been wrong about on this show?... Last word you have about twenty seconds."

But Nunes didn't even need twenty seconds. In relevant part:

"You've not been wrong on anything that I've seen."

Well, that settles it then.

(Hard to make this stuff up. But Democrats have a real problem to the extent that they've glued the deplorables to Fox News and Breitbart where they feel welcome. The deplorables are energized, and they get to have the president basically watching the same news outlet that they are.)
   300. Srul Itza Posted: May 07, 2018 at 10:52 PM (#5668274)
Some polls suggesting Blankenship could take the Republican primary.

Probably BS. But if he does ... I know I should be rooting for Manchin ... but I can't help it.

I want to see what a Senator Blankenship would do and say in the Senate, and how his fellow R's would react to him.

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