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OTP 2018 October 8: Hugh Jackman’s ‘The Front Runner’ Confronts The Political Conundrum Of Our Time

The picture drops us into the thick of the 1984 campaign right as Hart (a low-key and weather Jackman, oddly eschewing his usual star charisma) conceding the nomination to Walter Mondale. As you know, Mondale got slaughtered by Ronald Regan in the general election, losing all but one state in the electoral college (despite still winning 41% of the popular vote). So, four years later, Hart is back in the thick of it, as he argues that the failed 1984 campaign was partially to introduce himself on the national stage for the next time anyway. And this time out, he quickly becomes the front runner for the nomination and the general election.

 

Want to know what happened next? I guess you have to watch the movie.


(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 08, 2018 at 09:00 AM | 1559 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1501. PreservedFish Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5766892)
In as far as he can have ideas, he certainly does view it as a degrading one. But not because he thinks Warren is like Pocahontas, but because he thinks Warren is not like Pocahontas. Go back to the perhaps less racially charged calling people who do something dumb Einstein comparison.


I think you and I are on the same page here. I brought up the Einstein comparison. But with Trump, who knows what he was thinking.
   1502. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5766894)

under socialism than we have under contemporary capitalism (where women are all too often have to set their desires for motherhood aside due to financial insecurity.)
That must be why socialist countries have so much higher fertility rates than the U.S.!
   1503. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5766896)
Why is gravity so weak compared to the strong nuclear force?


I'm out of the loop on modern physics these days but in the 90s a key aspect of several "Grand Unified Theory" approaches was to unify gravy with the strong nuclear force and electromagnetism with the weak nuclear force as a precursor to the heavier lifting of combining those two unified forces.
   1504. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5766897)
1502- No, that wouldn’t necessarily track, there are too many variables.
   1505. DJS Holiday-Related Pun Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5766898)
That must be why socialist countries have so much higher fertility rates than the U.S.!

I'd call it a feature, not a bug, anyway, if it were true. I see no issue with a society in which people ought to be able to care for the children they have.
   1506. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5766899)
under socialism than we have under contemporary capitalism (where women are all too often have to set their desires for motherhood aside due to financial insecurity.)

That must be why socialist countries have so much higher fertility rates than the U.S.!


The really high fertility rates seems to be in libertarian nations like Somalia. 6 children per woman!
   1507. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5766902)
I'm out of the loop on modern physics these days but in the 90s a key aspect of several "Grand Unified Theory" approaches was to unify gravy with the strong nuclear force and electromagnetism with the weak nuclear force as a precursor to the heavier lifting of combining those two unified forces.


My understanding is that many of the particles hypothesized to "fix" the hierarchy problem don't exist outside theorists' chalk boards. The LHC has ruled out almost every version of Super Symmetry that was supposed to point the way forward. Way above my pay grade.
   1508. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5766904)
When the Trump era is tossed on the compost heap of rotting history best left to do the only thing #### is really good for, I expect I might very well have some words, phrasings, and choices in those regards I might wish to apologize for.

That, however, is a problem for another day.

For now, my focus is mostly on maintaining a 100% perfect record on never being anywhere close to advocating for, defending, or otherwise giving aid and comfort to the worst piece of #### ever to have even the slimmest bit of national power in US history.

That's enough, for now.
   1509. JL72 Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5766907)
Another person's subjective opinion of someone's words, remembered 35 years later, isn't exactly DNA or photographic evidence.


Except it was not that. It was a statement written at the time (that is, when the yearbook came out) by a person claiming to be a "Renate Alumnus", so it is silly to try and pretend it means nothing. Especially when that "poem" is the exact opposite of what Kavanaugh says he remembers. And the woman at issue, who originally signed a letter supporting Kavanaugh, certainly seems to not believe Kavanaugh's explanation.

   1510. BrianBrianson Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:48 PM (#5766910)
On the down-low, I understand the LHC has seen an event that's compatible with the interpretation of the upgoing ANITA events as indicating some of sort of supersymmetric particle with mass ~500 GeV. But needs a few more events for that 5 sigma standard particle types require.

And of course, "compatible with" does not mean "is". But the Higgs spent more than fifty years on a chalk board, so it's not obviously wrong to think about such things.
   1511. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5766913)
Biden is more likely to end up with other #1 name recognition People's Choices who were leading the pack years in advance, such as President Rudy Giuliani, President Wesley Clark, and Presidents Fred Thompson, Al Gore 2004, Jeb! Bush, Sarah Palin, etc. And they were in normal cycles with fewer than 178 candidates. I'll try the 25-1 odds on Beto, or the 100-1 odds on Gillibrand, or the 50-1 odds on Somebody Else. (That's exactly how odds work, right?)

So, you're saying Hillary still has chance? I'm a bit skeptical myself, but this guy apparently agrees - How Hillary Clinton Could Win In 2020.
   1512. McCoy Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:52 PM (#5766915)
Voted! Took about 100 minutes from start to finish and by the time I left I think the line was up to at least 120 minutes. The whole process in Georgia is setup to slow it down, to frustrate you, and to reduce voter turnout.
   1513. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5766917)
Since Karin Housley (GOP MN-SEN candidate) came up - last week...

“I do miss Nancy Reagan,” Minnesota Republican state senator and current U.S. Senate candidate Karin Housley wrote on Facebook in April 2009, after the Obamas met with Britain’s Queen Elizabeth II. “Ronald even more. Speaking of Bedtime for Bonzo, I think even that chimp stood up straighter than Michelle. Uh-oh, someone is going to make a comment.”


But, you know - as always, the problem isn't that Housley saw fit to write it - the problem is anyone pointing that out...

Campaign spokesperson Jake Schneider told HuffPost in a statement: “It’s not surprising the Huffington Post—basically an extension of the Democratic Party—would do Tina Smith’s dirty work for her. This is what the radical left does when they are losing—they attack Republicans so they don’t have to come up with solutions to the problems Minnesotans are facing.”
   1514. DJS Holiday-Related Pun Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5766918)
And the woman at issue, who originally signed a letter supporting Kavanaugh, certainly seems to not believe Kavanaugh's explanation.

The fact that she signed it in the first place suggests that it wasn't so obvious at the time.
   1515. DJS Holiday-Related Pun Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5766919)
It was a statement written at the time (that is, when the yearbook came out) by a person claiming to be a "Renate Alumnus"K

Which is evidence of how *that* person felt. Not how Kavanaugh felt or Kavanaugh remembered it.

Unless there's a statement I'm missing, the New Yorker obtained statement *wasn't* contemporaneous.
   1516. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:54 PM (#5766920)
My understanding is that many of the particles hypothesized to "fix" the hierarchy problem don't exist outside theorists' chalk boards. The LHC has ruled out almost every version of Super Symmetry that was supposed to point the way forward. Way above my pay grade.


Yeah I started out as a physics major but couldn't handle the math when it got more esoteric and abstract. Then I remembered Lord Rutherford said, "Chemistry is just a branch of physics," so I figured "close enough."
   1517. DJS Holiday-Related Pun Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5766924)
So, you're saying Hillary still has chance? I'm a bit skeptical myself, but this guy apparently agrees - How Hillary Clinton Could Win In 2020.

If we're going to have another Trump vs. Hillary race, I'd like to know in advance so I can make plans to be dead or spending a year somewhere with no connection to the outside world.
   1518. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 15, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5766925)
1512- Sorry to hear that, McCoy. What....what are you voting for on an October Monday in Georgia, if you don’t mind my asking? Early voting for the midterms or a primary, or...something else?
   1519. Morty Causa Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5766927)
   1520. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5766928)
The whole process in Georgia is setup to slow it down, to frustrate you, and to reduce voter turnout.


It's almost as if the Secretary of State has some sort of strong incentive to suppress turnout, especially turnout in early voting, absentee voting, and urban/non-white ethnic demographics.
   1521. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5766929)

Voted! Took about 100 minutes from start to finish and by the time I left I think the line was up to at least 120 minutes. The whole process in Georgia is setup to slow it down, to frustrate you, and to reduce voter turnout.
If they'd stop registering all those people and encouraging them to vote, the lines would be shorter.
   1522. zenbitz Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5766933)
I paid a $20 ticket in Montana (state highway near North Dakota border). In cash, to the officer. With a receipt. I think I lost the receipt though.
   1523. JL72 Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5766934)
The fact that she signed it in the first place suggests that it wasn't so obvious at the time.


Actually, it is evidence that she did not know.

Which is evidence of how *that* person felt. Not how Kavanaugh felt or Kavanaugh remembered it.


It is evidence about how one of Kavanaugh's classmates meant it at the time. Of course you are free to believe that Kavanaugh and his friends would ascribe almost completely opposite meanings to a phrase that both used. I tend to think that is very unlikely. I also tend to believe the written statement made at the time, rather than the recollection made 35 years later when, having put his character as a high school teen on the line, admitting to it being a nasty comment would not have helped Kavanaugh. Obviously, you do not.

Edit - sorry, I missed this when originally responding:

Unless there's a statement I'm missing, the New Yorker obtained statement *wasn't* contemporaneous.


I am taking it from the New York Times article:

Kavanaugh yearbook

Michael Walsh, another Georgetown Prep alumnus, also listed himself on his personal yearbook page as a “Renate Alumnus.” Alongside some song lyrics, he included a short poem: “You need a date / and it’s getting late / so don’t hesitate / to call Renate.”


I read that to be that the lyrics were either printed in the yearbook or written at the time.
   1524. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:04 PM (#5766935)
Really, it would be easier to discuss what isn't part of the imaginary "project of white supremacy."

Perros is overselling this today. The idea that the "project of white supremacy" is "imaginary" is one of the stupider, more idiotic things you've said. And I'm weighing that against such classics as "taxation is theft (at gunpoint!)" and "society doesn't exist."

Wait, David is now perros? When did this happen?

Oh, and while we're on David's Greatest Hits, don't forget his related idea that taxes amount to "stealing one's life", as if a man who'd paid 30% of his income in taxes would've lived to 100 instead of 70 if only the evil government had kept its knife off his throat.
   1525. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5766938)
If we're going to have another Trump vs. Hillary race, I'd like to know in advance so I can make plans to be dead or spending a year somewhere with no connection to the outside world.


I never considered that there might be an upside to a rematch... but I guess it's true; anything is possible.
   1526. BDC Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5766940)
Quite a while ago now, 15-20 years, thus before the new photo and transponder technologies: I got on some toll road in Oklahoma, took the little ticket and all. When it came time to leave the tollway, there was one lane to pay the toll, and another that just led off in the same direction without a toll booth. I don't even know if I deliberately chose the no-toll option, but I ended up in that lane and still haven't paid. This will certainly come back to haunt me some day.
   1527. DJS Holiday-Related Pun Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:08 PM (#5766941)
I read that to be that the lyrics were either printed in the yearbook or written at the time.

That doesn't speak to the motivation. That can be looked at in very different ways.

The nasty part, the "get laid" part that was not in the yearbook is and when the classmate recalls it being mean, was *not* written at the time, as far as I know.

It is evidence about how one of Kavanaugh's classmates meant it at the time

How, exactly? This is still argument by sleight-of-hand.

That I said "cool whip!" and someone 20 years later decides I was talking about ejaculation on people rather than quoting the Cool Whip commercial (which I still do out of habit, I still say "cool whip" sometimes to indicate agreement, which confuses people), the fact that I said "cool whip" does not give that someone information as to why I said cool whip. They're deciding what I meant by it.

(This isn't a theoretical, I once said cool whip after an editor asked me if I could do something and it resulted in a "wait, what?" which I had to explain to satisfy the editor, who wanted to understand why I said cool whip)

   1528. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5766943)
Quite a while ago now, 15-20 years, thus before the new photo and transponder technologies: I got on some toll road in Oklahoma, took the little ticket and all. When it came time to leave the tollway, there was one lane to pay the toll, and another that just led off in the same direction without a toll booth. I don't even know if I deliberately chose the no-toll option, but I ended up in that lane and still haven't paid. This will certainly come back to haunt me some day.


Naw... just swear under oath that it was due to your affection for toll roads paired with your weak stomach being averse to spicy foods and you'll be fine.
   1529. McCoy Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5766945)
1512- Sorry to hear that, McCoy. What....what are you voting for on an October Monday in Georgia, if you don’t mind my asking? Early voting for the midterms or a primary, or...something else?

2018 miderm elections. Pretty much the entire state apparatus right down to the soil commissioner. Which I'm happy to say I voted for myself. The solicitor general was also running unopposed and I voted for my wife and in a happy coincidence she voted for herself in that race as well so she might just be the second leading vote getter for that. In unhappy issues after finding out she voted for herself I also discovered she didn't vote for me to be soil commissioner. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

We also voted on a few tax issues as well as changing the liquor hours on Sunday along with a victim's rights bill.
   1530. McCoy Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5766947)

It's almost as if the Secretary of State has some sort of strong incentive to suppress turnout, especially turnout in early voting, absentee voting, and urban/non-white ethnic demographics


Sure that is the conspiracy theory that is being bandied about but Georgia has been this way for a long time.
   1531. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5766952)

It's almost as if the Secretary of State has some sort of strong incentive to suppress turnout, especially turnout in early voting, absentee voting, and urban/non-white ethnic demographics

Sure that is the conspiracy theory that is being bandied about but Georgia has been this way for a long time.

Yeah, and if we didn't know better, we'd say that Georgia has always had a strong incentive to suppress minority voting, in a straight line from Dixiecrat days to their successors who now call themselves Republicans.
   1532. DJS Holiday-Related Pun Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5766954)
I have my absentee ballot for Ohio, but have not filled it in yet. Might only vote for governor. The only race I have that I care enough about stopping the shitty Democrat that I want to give a vote to the shitty Republican.
   1533. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:23 PM (#5766955)
2018 miderm elections. Pretty much the entire state apparatus right down to the soil commissioner. Which I'm happy to say I voted for myself. The solicitor general was also running unopposed and I voted for my wife and in a happy coincidence she voted for herself in that race as well so she might just be the second leading vote getter for that. In unhappy issues after finding out she voted for herself I also discovered she didn't vote for me to be soil commissioner. I'm not sure how I feel about that.


I am disappointed that I was not on the 2016 GE election ballot for IL-5.

I crossed over to take a GOP primary ballot to oppose Trump and wrote my own name in for the House race - there was no GOP candidate. I suggested a few friends who also crossed over do the same.

Yet, come fall... There was no (R) candidate.

I don't know how the GOP expects to do any Cook County party building if they won't even allow someone to run for the seat.

EDIT: I see via the google, I am mistaken... The party elite and backroom deal brokers chose someone named Vince Kolber to run in the fall despite his not being willing to go the plebe route by actually running OR campaigning to be written in. Typical.
   1534. DJS Holiday-Related Pun Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5766957)
I see the nanny is as arbitrary as usual.
   1535. Lassus Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5766961)
Shitty is never nannied.
   1536. Shredder Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5766962)
I paid a $20 ticket in Montana (state highway near North Dakota border). In cash, to the officer. With a receipt. I think I lost the receipt though.
I did this too about 12 years ago. It used to be $5. They give you a court date, and if you don't show up, they keep the money.
Funny thing is that I got it in Dawson County, and couldn't have been more than a handful of miles from the Richland County line. Sidney, MT is the Richland County seat, and I'm from a family that's rather prominent in town (big fish in small pond, they've been referred to as "the Kennedys of Sidney). My dad grew up there, but left long before I was born, and while we used to go back every couple years as kids, I think I've only been back once in the last 20 years. It's my uncle's family that are well known (five kids, business owners, volunteer fire chief, etc.). My uncle and I share the same name, but he passed away about 10 years prior to this incident. If I had gotten that ticket in Richland County, oh what I would have given to be a fly on the wall in that courtroom when they'd called for my dead uncle's appearance.
   1537. BDC Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5766963)
How else would we discuss Herman Shitty, ace starter for the 1914 St. Louis Terriers.
   1538. JL72 Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5766965)
Sure that is the conspiracy theory that is being bandied about but Georgia has been this way for a long time.


Actually, the Georgia Secretary of State said it out loud.
   1539. Traderdave Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5766967)
How else would we discuss Herman Shitty, ace starter for the 1914 St. Louis Terriers.


Somewhat embarrassed to admit I went straight to the '14 Terriers BB-ref page to see him.
   1540. JL72 Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5766969)
That doesn't speak to the motivation. That can be looked at in very different ways.

The nasty part, the "get laid" part that was not in the yearbook is and when the classmate recalls it being mean, was *not* written at the time, as far as I know.


Understood. But the idea that the only interpretation of the statement and poem is the innocuous one that Kavanaugh offered is wrong. My initial interpretation of that poem was that she was consider easy. Dolphin certainly did not think much of Kavanauhg's explanation.

How, exactly? This is still argument by sleight-of-hand.

That I said "cool whip!" and someone 20 years later decides I was talking about ejaculation on people rather than quoting the Cool Whip commercial (which I still do out of habit, I still say "cool whip" sometimes to indicate agreement, which confuses people), the fact that I said "cool whip" does not give that someone information as to why I said cool whip. They're deciding what I meant by it.


Not at all. It is evidence that your (and Kavanaugh's) assertion is wrong - that at the time, you actually used it in a very different way. Just because you don't find it persuasive (and there are times when you have contradictory evidence and have to decide which to believe and which to discard) does not mean it is not evidence.
   1541. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5766970)
Somewhat embarrassed to admit I went straight to the '14 Terriers BB-ref page to see him.
#MeToo
   1542. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5766971)
Cardinal Cupich says bishops must cede authority, allow lay oversight of accusations

”Bishops have to, as a group, say, 'We cede our rights as bishops to have somebody else come in and investigate us,' " the cardinal told NCR. "Every bishop has to be willing to say, 'I will allow myself to be investigated by an independent group if there is an accusation against me.' "
   1543. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:45 PM (#5766974)
I have my absentee ballot for Ohio, but have not filled it in yet.


How long has it been since you actually lived in Ohio?
   1544. zenbitz Posted: October 15, 2018 at 02:57 PM (#5766983)
I am not sure --given decent insurance-- how you spend that much money on cancer treatment. Like, do you just never take primary advice, call external consultants?

My wife is in pretty bad shape. Her cancer has spread to her liver
They are trying to get her a little healthier to maybe continue chemo.

She turned 46 yesterday.
   1545. dlf Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5766984)
It's almost as if the Secretary of State has some sort of strong incentive to suppress turnout, especially turnout in early voting, absentee voting, and urban/non-white ethnic demographics


Sure that is the conspiracy theory that is being bandied about but Georgia has been this way for a long time.


FWIW, I've been doing early voting in a suburban Atlanta county more often than I've actually showed up on the nominal polling day and have never had more than a five minute wait. The last time was probably the longest and I was the only person in line: the very elderly (think Andy's mother's age) poll worker couldn't find the pen needed to fill out the card checking off my ID. On election day, I haven't had to wait more than 10 minutes since moving to GA in '04.
   1546. dlf Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5766986)
zenbitz ~ My most heartfelt sympathy and wishes for the best possible outcome for your wife and entire family. I'll be thinking of you.
   1547. Shredder Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5766987)
My wife is in pretty bad shape. Her cancer has spread to her liver
They are trying to get her a little healthier to maybe continue chemo.
Sorry to hear that, man. I can't even imagine what you and her are going through.
   1548. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5766991)
My suspicion is the rental company will simply bill my card for the 8 bucks or whatever,


Plus at least $25 in service fees.
   1549. McCoy Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5766992)
I think the only easy election for me has been the 2006 midterms in Wisconsin. I think the whole thing from getting in my car to returning home took no more than 15 minutes.
   1550. McCoy Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5766995)
I remember renting a car from Albany to take to Cooperstown and back that didn't have the transponder. With through all of the tolls without paying and never got charged or a notice but that was over 10 years ago. Nowadays they seem to be on top of their game. Illinois, I believe, will mail you your bill and with rentals the charges will show up on your charge card within a month.
   1551. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5766997)
The thread is dead. Long live the thread. ------->>>>>>>>>>>>
   1552. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5767000)

Wishing a refuah shleima to your wife, Zenbitz. My mother was 59, and I thought that was bad, but 46 is just awful.
   1553. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:19 PM (#5767001)
zenbitz - +1 to Shredder's thoughts.

   1554. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:19 PM (#5767002)

If you're going to announce a new thread, link to it.
   1555. Lassus Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:21 PM (#5767004)
I remember renting a car from Albany to take to Cooperstown and back that didn't have the transponder. With through all of the tolls without paying and never got charged or a notice but that was over 10 years ago.

That toll is less than a dollar... round trip. You couldn't be bothered to use the non-EZpass lanes?
   1556. Ray (CTL) Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5767011)
zenbitz ~ My most heartfelt sympathy and wishes for the best possible outcome for your wife and entire family. I'll be thinking of you.


Seconded. I wish there was a way to snap our fingers and make these things better for everyone.
   1557. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5767012)
zenbitz - +1 to Shredder's thoughts.


Yes. Cancer sucks, just the worst.
   1558. McCoy Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:31 PM (#5767014)
That toll is less than a dollar... round trip. You couldn't be bothered to use the non-EZpass lanes?

Wasn't a dollar for me. I also went down to the Hudson Valley, MR. Knowitall!
   1559. Zonk qualifies as an invasive species Posted: October 15, 2018 at 03:33 PM (#5767017)
I am not sure --given decent insurance-- how you spend that much money on cancer treatment. Like, do you just never take primary advice, call external consultants?

My wife is in pretty bad shape. Her cancer has spread to her liver
They are trying to get her a little healthier to maybe continue chemo.

She turned 46 yesterday.


First, sorry for your family health issues ZB... cancer is a ####.

Both my parents had decent insurance - union plans - and in my mom's case, it was basically seeing specialists outside of network after the in-network oncologists basically told them treatment avenues were exhausted. This was almost 30 years ago - so I'm sure treatment options are much better nowadays. In our case, it was basically expenses to have more confirmation of what the in-network oncologists had already said... though, in a somewhat sad irony, the out-of-network specialists did have some beefs/disagreements with the monitoring care in between her first diagnosis, being pronounced cancer-free, and the second bout but whether it was 20/20 hindsight or legitimate hindsight, water under the bridge at that point. Wasn't financially crippling in our case - basically, just paying for more consultations and tests - no further surgery or chemo, etc, but it did essentially envelop what would end up being the biggest chunk of her life insurance payout.

FWIW, one thing I wish we had done as a family - and talking with my dad since then, he'd say the same (and has)... I wish we'd have availed ourselves of more of the mental health care options. Support groups. Family therapists. Etc. My mom's last appointment seeking additional treatment options was at the Mayo Clinic just two weeks before she passed - she and my dad were doggedly pursuing additional options right up till the last... but in hindsight, there were a lot of ways I think we all wish we had gone about things. In our family's case, part of it was an eschewing of such stuff and the other part was looking down at such stuff as 'giving up', as if facing such stuff would only make things worse. But, a lot of scars from those days that took years to get right with.

Anyway, thoughts are with you ZB - and to the extent I pray much anymore... those too. Take care of yourself and your wife - treatment options have advanced an awful lot and are every day. But - none of that changes the taking care of the mental aspect and it's not admitting anything bad or otherwise conceding any weakness to get assistance dealing with a mental burden that's far weighier than anyone, you or your wife, should have to bear without help.
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