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OTP 22 August 2017: The myth of baseball’s depoliticalization

The cornerstone of a democratic republic is civic engagement in service of civic virtue, to be aware of fellow citizens’ struggles and to doggedly fight injustice and oppression. In today’s America, much of this engagement is missing, and it is viewed less as a responsibility held by every citizen than the task of few professional groups. But when it comes to Nazism, it should be the duty of every person, doubly so for white people, to vociferously denounce the individuals and the ideals themselves, to stamp them down in every area of society. The silence of white MLB players is thus telling of the way baseball players in the past have interacted with politics and its relationship to the larger degradation of American democracy.

(As always, views expressed in the article lede and comments are the views of the individual commenters and the submitter of the article and do not represent the views of Baseball Think Factory or its owner.)

Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 22, 2017 at 07:43 AM | 1771 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 22, 2017 at 07:22 PM (#5518877)
Cletus, #190:
A weekly copy of the Voice was over 200 pages, and frequently well over.

When? By the '90's, when I regularly purchased it, you're talking half that, unless it contained a supplement.



February 1, 2001:
Newsday Wins Contract To Print The Village Voice:
Newsday has won a three-year contract to print the Voice, the nation's leading alternative weekly, for an undisclosed amount. About 260,000 copies of the Voice, whose typical edition is 200 pages, will be published at Newsday headquarters in Melville beginning March 6.
   202. Omineca Greg Posted: August 22, 2017 at 07:46 PM (#5518897)
Damn, man. I was scrolling down just to relate my discovery, by hanging around various anarcho-oriented sites, of that very term & concept [Tankie] just a few months ago.

(And yes, it's generally meant as a pejorative.)

Well then you know a lot more about it than me, everything I know is from talking to this Tankie for about an hour. Porky and suck dems, it really was an ear-opener. It was like this, but replace "Satan" with "Stalinism".

Stalinism is Real!
   203. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 22, 2017 at 07:56 PM (#5518908)
A weekly copy of the Voice was over 200 pages, and frequently well over.

But most of it was classified ads. Not that there anything wrong with that (they sold a lot of sex ads) but that does not make it a heavy read.
   204. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:03 PM (#5518914)
The Voice ads were the best place to learn about concert listings.
   205. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:04 PM (#5518915)
OG, assuming this isn't one of your flights of fancy, can you go into detail about the Tankie?
   206. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:15 PM (#5518921)
Oh brother, yet another unhinged TDSer obviously hasn't read the exact words within the entirely convincing transcript of Trump's neo-Nazi condemnations:

Failing New York Times:
McConnell, in Private, Doubts if Trump Can Save Presidency

The relationship between President Trump and Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, has disintegrated to the point that they have not spoken to each other in weeks, and Mr. McConnell has privately expressed uncertainty that Mr. Trump will be able to salvage his administration after a series of summer crises.

...Angry phone calls and private badmouthing have devolved into open conflict, with the president threatening to oppose Republican senators who cross him, and Mr. McConnell mobilizing to their defense.

The rupture between Mr. Trump and Mr. McConnell comes at a highly perilous moment for Republicans, who face a number of urgent deadlines when they return to Washington next month... There is scant room for legislative error on any front.

...Yet Mr. Trump and Mr. McConnell are locked in a political cold war. Neither man would comment for this story.

...Mr. McConnell has fumed over Mr. Trump’s regular threats against fellow Republicans and criticism of Senate rules, and questioned Mr. Trump’s understanding of the presidency in a public speech. Mr. McConnell has made sharper comments in private, describing Mr. Trump as entirely unwilling to learn the basics of governing.

In offhand remarks, Mr. McConnell has expressed a sense of bewilderment about where Mr. Trump’s presidency may be headed, and has mused about whether Mr. Trump will be in a position to lead the Republican Party into next year’s elections and beyond, according to people who have spoken to him directly.

While maintaining a pose of public reserve, Mr. McConnell expressed horror to advisers last week after Mr. Trump’s comments equating white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., with protesters who rallied against them.

...Mr. McConnell signaled to business leaders that he was deeply uncomfortable with Mr. Trump’s comments: Several who resigned advisory roles in the Trump administration contacted Mr. McConnell’s office after the fact, and were told that Mr. McConnell fully understood their choices, three people briefed on the conversations said.

...The fury among Senate Republicans toward Mr. Trump has been building since last month, even before he lashed out at Mr. McConnell. Some of them blame the president for not being able to rally the party around any version of legislation to repeal the Affordable Care Act, accusing him of not knowing even the basics about the policy. Senate Republicans also say strong-arm tactics from the White House backfired, making it harder to cobble together votes and have left bad feelings in the caucus.

When Mr. Trump addressed a Boy Scouts jamboree last month in West Virginia, White House aides told Senator Shelley Moore Capito, a Republican from the state whose support was in doubt, that she could only accompany him on Air Force One if she committed to voting for the health care bill. She declined the invitation, noting that she could not commit to voting for a measure she had not seen, according to Republican briefed on the conversation.

Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska told colleagues that when Mr. Trump’s interior secretary threatened to pull back federal funding for her state, she felt boxed in and unable to vote for the health care bill.

...Al Hoffman, a former finance chairman of the Republican National Committee who has been supportive of Mr. McConnell, said Mr. McConnell was culpable because he has failed to deliver legislative victories. “Ultimately, it’s been Mitch’s responsibility, and I don’t think he’s done much,” Mr. Hoffman said.

But Mr. Hoffman predicted that Mr. McConnell would likely outlast the president. “I think he’s going to blow up, self-implode,” Mr. Hoffman said of Mr. Trump. “I wouldn’t be surprised if McConnell pulls back his support of Trump and tries to go it alone.”

...There are few recent precedents for the rift. The last time a president turned on a legislative leader of his own party was in 2002, when allies of George W. Bush helped force Trent Lott to step down as Senate minority leader after racially charged remarks at a birthday party for Senator Strom Thurmond, Republican of South Carolina.

For the moment, Mr. McConnell appears to be far more secure in his position, and perhaps immune to coercion from the White House. Republicans are unlikely to lose control of the Senate in 2018, and Mr. Trump has no allies in the Senate who have shown an appetite for combat with Mr. McConnell.

...Roger J. Stone Jr., a Republican strategist who has advised Mr. Trump for decades, said the president needed to “take a scalp” in order to force cooperation from Republican elites who have resisted his agenda. Mr. Stone urged Mr. Trump to make an example of one or more Republicans, like Mr. Flake, who have refused to give full support to his administration.

“The president should start bumping off incumbent Republican members of Congress in primaries,” Mr. Stone said. “If he did that, Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan would wet their pants and the rest of the Republicans would get in line.”

...“The quickest way for him to get impeached is for Trump to knock off Jeff Flake and Dean Heller and be faced with a Democrat-led Senate,” said Billy Piper, a lobbyist and former McConnell chief of staff.
   207. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:19 PM (#5518925)
As far as Jason ... I think his wife left him for Iran or something. Certainly Iran makes him lose all reason.
Hysterical, considering how there are at least a dozen loons here convinced the Nazi-pocalypse is upon us.

You're tired of hearing about the comically awful Iran nuke deal and its consequences? Boo-#######-hoo.
   208. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:27 PM (#5518931)
Until Antifa has a bodycount of 6+ million on its hands, it does not "embrace the same tactics" as do avowed neo-Nazis.
And what do the tens of millions of victims of Communism win?
   209. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:28 PM (#5518932)

Newsday Wins

Who wants yesterday's papers?

Memory tells me I didn't read nearly 200 pages, so must've been less...

Does phone sex still exist?
   210. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5518934)
And what do the tens of millions of victims of Communism win?


1. Is antifa explicitly communist? Do they march with Marx and Lenin flags?
2. More importantly, do they march with Mao and Stalin flags?
3. Even if they do, am I wrong to draw a distinction between Nazi evil and Communist evil?
   211. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5518935)
As repeal and replace showed, the GOP Congress is largely a fraud when it comes to opposing big tax and spend government.

They'd have preferred Clinton.
   212. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:35 PM (#5518938)
Addendum: This is literally the first dog whistle that I've ever seen David hear, in 25 years of internet argument. Witness his epic battle with Andy over the alleged dog whistling in things like Reagan's "state's rights" speech. David never for a second subscribed to Andy's belief that there was a dog whistle. Yet, suddenly, David hears a dog whistle now. The exercise is left for the reader as to why.
I have not said one word about Trump dog whistling. The metaphor of a dog whistle is something that sounds innocuous to most people, but that those who are its intended audience hear another meaning. Trump is a foghorn, not a dog whistle. Literally everyone on the planet except you and SBB and Dilbert can hear it. Marlee Matlin can hear it. Helen Keller can hear it, and she's both deaf and dead.
   213. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:41 PM (#5518939)
1. Is antifa explicitly communist? Do they march with Marx and Lenin flags?
I'm willing to wager some marchers do. Others merely fly the good ol' hammer-and-sickle. Just like some neo-Nazis march with swastikas.
2. More importantly, do they march with Mao and Stalin flags?
Why should that matter?
3. Even if they do, am I wrong to draw a distinction between Nazi evil and Communist evil?
"His brother was worse."
   214. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:42 PM (#5518940)
Clapper, #178:
It's hilarious that the same people who claim Trump is historically unpopular and has throughly tainted the GOP brand, think it's unfair to measure the 2018 election by those standards. Opposition parties running against truly unpopular Presidents pick up more than 15 House seats. If that's all the Dems do, they have underperformed. Doesn't mean they are doomed forever, but it certainly would be a missed opportunity. Surprised that folks are so obviously trying to have it both ways.


Care to show some data on your "historical bar of 26 seats," now that you’ve added "opposition parties running against truly unpopular Presidents” and “things somebody has claimed about Trump” to the absolute mathematical formula you’ve been pushing?

Remember that the last eight midterm shifts are 13, 63, 31, minus-8, minus-5, 54, 7, and 5. This equals your historical bar of 26, even though literally four of the eight midterm results are in single digits and only one of the eight is closer than 50% away from the "historical average."

And what an average. The average swing against the President's party in the last two House elections is 38. The average of the last three elections is 36. The average of the last four elections is 25. The average of the last five elections is 19. The average of the last six elections is 25. The average of the last seven elections is 22. And the average of the last eight elections is 20. You know, the historical bar of 26 seats.

Certainly the Democrats now feel they have a chance to take the House next year. They will feel disappointed if it doesn't come to pass. Just as you have an inner feeling that 26 seats is a very true and hard number. Unfortunately for you and the Democrats (and really, for all of us and all of our lives), sheer desire isn't enough to mold reality.
   215. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:44 PM (#5518941)
1. Is antifa explicitly communist? Do they march with Marx and Lenin flags?
2. More importantly, do they march with Mao and Stalin flags?
Antifa is more anarchist than Stalinist. But they're left anarchist, so they tend to hate things like capitalism and private property, making them communist fellow travelers. You certainly see the Che shirts and the hammer and sickle and the like.
3. Even if they do, am I wrong to draw a distinction between Nazi evil and Communist evil?
Yes.
   216. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:51 PM (#5518948)
.“The quickest way for him to get impeached is for Trump to knock off Jeff Flake and Dean Heller and be faced with a Democrat-led Senate,” said Billy Piper, a lobbyist and former McConnell chief of staff.


This makes no sense. the House inpeaches, the Senate convicts. And the Senate can't convict on a simple majority.
   217. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:52 PM (#5518949)
I think even my Stalin supporting relatives are dead and/or repentant. I bet it's not too hard to find folks who think Mao "did what he had to do".

Including more than a few thousand western businessmen who drool over the size of the Chinese market, and aren't shedding any tears over a few tens of millions of Mao's victims.

------------------------------------------------------------------

It's not just a Village Voice thing, obviously. How many copies of next Sunday's New York Times would you need to stack, to match the bulk of one 1975 edition of the Sunday New York Times?

The August 24, 1975 Late City edition of the Sunday Times was 329 pages, counting all the magazine and advertising sections. I'd count the number of pages in last Sunday's paper if I hadn't already thrown it out, but to make a meaningful comparison you'd need the Late City edition.
   218. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:52 PM (#5518950)
Well, you see Che shirts everywhere.

The hammer & sickle is more complicated as some naive kids might claim to be in favor of, you know, the utopian Communist ideal and against all the killing. Not a great argument, I know, but it's better than what any neo-Nazi would ever put forward I suspect. (Are there proud neo-Nazis that really do think Hitler went too far?)

Mao/Stalin vs Lenin/Marx should be obvious ... the latter pair kicked the bucket before the former pair allowed communism to fulfill its true potential for evil.
   219. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:55 PM (#5518951)
From a Skidmore professor in the Washington Post: When 'free speech' becomes a political weapon

Thanks, WaPo, for once again highlighting how democracy dies in dumbness.

Or as David Burge more diplomatically responded, "That's the whole ####### point of it, you pathetic tenured moron."
   220. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 22, 2017 at 08:59 PM (#5518953)
In the wake of Jerry Lewis' death, it has been pointed out that there are only three surviving actors who had notable appearances in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World": Barrie Chase (the intense bikini-ed go-go girlfriend of Dick Shawn's character), Nick Georgiade (the police detective who accompanied Norman Fell down to where Jimmy Durante kicked da bucket), and Carl Reiner (one of the guys in the airplane tower being buzzed by Rooney and Hackett).

In his cameo, Jerry Lewis deliberately swerves his car to run over Spencer Tracy's hat. Now all three of them-- Lewis, Tracy, and hat-- are gone.
   221. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:02 PM (#5518955)
1. Is antifa explicitly communist? Do they march with Marx and Lenin flags?


I'm willing to wager some marchers do. Others merely fly the good ol' hammer-and-sickle. Just like some neo-Nazis march with swastikas.

And I'm willing to wager that no antifa marcher has ever felt he had a kindred spirit sitting in the oval office, or running the Justice Department.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Antifa is more anarchist than Stalinist. But they're left anarchist, so they tend to hate things like capitalism and private property, making them communist fellow travelers. You certainly see the Che shirts and the hammer and sickle and the like.
3. Even if they do, am I wrong to draw a distinction between Nazi evil and Communist evil?

Yes.

Whether it was inadvertent or not, you actually made a good distinction when you used small "c" communist to describe antifa sentiment, while using large "C" Communist to link Nazi and Communist evil. If you'd switched either of those spellings, you'd have been on much shakier ground, so I'm assuming the choice was deliberate.
   222. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:04 PM (#5518957)
Well, you see Che shirts everywhere.

The hammer & sickle is more complicated as some naive kids might claim to be in favor of, you know, the utopian Communist ideal and against all the killing. Not a great argument, I know, but it's better than what any neo-Nazi would ever put forward I suspect. (Are there proud neo-Nazis that really do think Hitler went too far?)

Mao/Stalin vs Lenin/Marx should be obvious ... the latter pair kicked the bucket before the former pair allowed communism to fulfill its true potential for evil.
Ah, those krazy kidz are still trotting out the "REAL socialism has never been tried" line? I'm sure that gag goes over great in comedy houses all over Kyiv, Phnom Penh, and Caracas.
   223. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:07 PM (#5518961)
Mao/Stalin vs Lenin/Marx should be obvious ... the latter pair kicked the bucket before the former pair allowed communism to fulfill its true potential for evil.

In terms of scale, Stalin obviously dwarfed Lenin, but don't kid yourself that Lenin didn't create the template for the horrors that followed his death.
   224. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5518962)
And I'm willing to wager that no antifa marcher has ever felt he had a kindred spirit sitting in the oval office, or running the Justice Department.
A "kindered spirit" in the Oval Office with Jewish grandchildren, right?

And now you're back to suggesting Sessions is racist, not merely unqualified.

Well done!
   225. Omineca Greg Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5518963)
OG, assuming this isn't one of your flights of fancy, can you go into detail about the Tankie

Sure!

He was a high school friend of my son (he's 22 now, but he won't be for long), and as my son is in town for Summer break, they met up at a pub for drinks and I was their designated driver. When I came to pick them up after an evening of what looked to be moderate drinking, I ordered a Coke and sat down with them just to catch up with the guy.

Despite his parents being profs at Circumpolar U., he hasn't done very well for himself so far. He flunked out of several programs (which means his parents would have to pay back the tuition, which is otherwise free to children of Faculty). He's not a train wreck or anything, he lives on his own, has a job, but he's adrift.

So politics came up.

Here in Canada, we're more tolerant of socialist points of view than some places (you know the places I'm talking about...) so to hear that he'd gone pink wasn't really too surprising. But boy, he's gone into it whole hog.

Revolution is the only way to save the planet, Porky ['the man' you hippies would call him] needs to either renounce their values or be silenced, and as Porky is going to fight with all his might, probably violence would be necessary. "Suck dems" or social democrats as the rest of the World calls them, although OK people, just don't have the stones to get it done, so spending your time on regular electoral politics is just a waste of time. So, he's a "Tankie" because he's authoritarian, no issues with Soviet era USSR, that's what's necessary to stop Porky from coming back. Porky is wily, that's why he's lasted so long. And there's "Smashies" who are essentially useful idiots who like violence and disrupting things, but don't really know what they're doing, they're more tools to be used. All very Marxist, which again here isn't too shocking, but his matter of fact pronouncements that the entire world was in need of violent revolution were off-putting to say the least. I counselled him and said, "Maybe you should try a little harder in school, join society for a bit before trying to tear it down" and he told me that I'd been brainwashed (he put it more delicately than that, but that's what he meant) and as long as I joined the right side early on in the process, my life would be much improved under the new regime, but if I held on as Porky's servant for too long, I'd be getting the Che.

It was his unapologetically violent and condescending rhetoric that was shocking. I was having a "teachable moment" from his perspective, and of course, condescension is pretty common from the left, but in this case, I wasn't getting a choice. He didn't care if he convinced me in the slightest, more of a "just a heads up". He was friendly enough about it I guess. So, he gets lots of support on the internet, on lefty sites, not very many Americans on them, as they think there is no nation on Earth more responsible for capitalist excess than the US, and even their suck dems, like Bernie, are weak, weak, weak.

If the conversation changed my view at all, it made me more on guard against the Left. I don't make explicit political posts here very often, as usually it's American politics you're discussing, and as a non-citizen, I feel that it's really none of my business; I wouldn't like foreigners Yanksplaining Canadian politics to me, so I extend the same courtesy. But for the record, I'm a Red Tory, which doesn't map to US politics very well, but to simplify, I'm the most liberal someone can be, and still be in with the Conservative Party. And part of the reason I'm that way is that I fear the Canadian Far Left more than the Canadian Far Right; they're more numerous, better organised, have more presence in our culture. Up to this point I considered them impractical ideologues that would get us involved in pointless projects and weird identity politics that would be harmful to the country. As would the Canadian Far Right, but everyone seems to agree they're nitwits; not so with Left.

But the Tankie, he was just off the charts.

   226. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:12 PM (#5518967)
Ah, those krazy kidz are still trotting out the "REAL socialism has never been tried" line?


I think it's probably evergreen.

I'm sure that gag goes over great in comedy houses all over Kyiv, Phnom Penh, and Caracas.


Right, the krazy kidz are idiots, but you can at least imagine a well-meaning idiot kid pulling on a hammer & sickle shirt. It's impossible for me to imagine a well-meaning neo-Nazi kid. Unless they grew up in profoundly perverted circumstances, in which case they have my pity as well as my disgust.
   227. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:15 PM (#5518972)
Please say this is a goof. Please say this is a goof...

REPORT: ESPN Removes College Football Announcer From Game Because He's Named 'Robert Lee'

Lee is Asian, but the sports network is still concerned his name will offend students
:
According to a report from college football blog Outkick the Coverage, ESPN pulled college football announcer Robert Lee from a game between William & Mary and the University of Virginia because they were concerned students and viewers might be offended by his name.

Lee, who is Asian-American, and who is likely not named after the Confederate general, Robert E. Lee, is one of ESPNU's biggest names, and, for the record, did not fight in the American Civil War, because he wasn't alive in 1861 (though he is nicknamed, "the General").

The story sounds almost too ridiculous to be true. But Outkick the Coverage is no fake news blog, and blogger Clay Travis insists that "multiple Outkick fans inside ESPN" confirmed the change up. According to Outkick, announcer Dave Weekley will takeover the UVA game, and Lee will now call a game at Youngstown State because Pennsylvanians are less likely to be confused and believe the actual General Lee, who died more than a century ago, has taken up a post-mortem career as a college football announcer.

ESPN did not immediately return The Daily Wire's request for comment.
Please say this is a goof.
   228. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:17 PM (#5518976)
Right, the krazy kidz are idiots, but you can at least imagine a well-meaning idiot kid pulling on a hammer & sickle shirt. It's impossible for me to imagine a well-meaning neo-Nazi kid. Unless they grew up in profoundly perverted circumstances, in which case they have my pity as well as my disgust.
If true, that's only because for the past four or five decades the West has been ridiculously lenient with these insensitive #############. There's absolutely nothing even remotely cute or innocent about wearing shirts glorifying terrorism, mass murder, and genocide.
   229. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:19 PM (#5518978)
I had a friend in high school that was an anarchist and I remember getting into a big argument with him over whether or not an anarchist revolution was imminent. It's been about 20 years so I think I won the argument.
   230. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:25 PM (#5518982)
If true, that's only because for the past four or five decades the West has been ridiculously lenient with these insensitive #############. There's absolutely nothing even remotely cute or innocent about wearing shirts glorifying terrorism, mass murder, and genocide.


This is interesting. There's no question that the USSR (and others) retain a stylistic allure that Nazi Germany is simply not allowed to have.

I guess the films of Leni Riefenstahl are an exception.
   231. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:27 PM (#5518984)
David Burge:
God I hope there was a confederate general named Dick Vitale
#WINNER
   232. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:30 PM (#5518986)
"That's the whole ####### point of it, you pathetic tenured moron."

Sounds like a threat to me.
   233. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:30 PM (#5518987)
And I'm willing to wager that no antifa marcher has ever felt he had a kindred spirit sitting in the oval office, or running the Justice Department.

A "kindered spirit" in the Oval Office with Jewish grandchildren, right?


Christ, (((Mr. Elliptical))), don't take my word for it. Just read what the alt-right and Nazi marchers, not to mention David Duke, have repeatedly said about him. They supported Trump in the primaries, they supported him in the election, and they continue to defend him. Trump's having a Jewish son-in-law didn't seem to change any of that.

OTOH now I'm beginning to understand why you continue to resist calling Trump despicable. Why, with Kushner under his tent he's virtually an honorary Jew. Maybe when the next grandson comes along you'll be invited to the bris.

And now you're back to suggesting Sessions is racist...

Yes, I do think that the soulmate of Steven Bannon and the mentor of Stephen Miller might warrant such a term. How radical and unfair a thought.
   234. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:32 PM (#5518988)
Do we actually still need to "accuse" Trump of not understanding the basics of policy? Can't we at least start saying "pointed out that he doesn't"?
   235. Greg K Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:34 PM (#5518990)

A week ago I would have agreed with you, but then I met one. He's a self-identified Tankie.

I was honestly blown away that people like that existed.

I think "Tankie" is meant to be an insult, but they're reclaiming it or something like that.

There's a proud tradition of that in politics. "Tory" and "Whig" were originally insults dreamt up by their enemies. "Puritan" is kind of the same...though I don't think Puritans ever really embraced the term. "Leveller" worked along somewhat similar lines as well.

"Tankie" is a new one for me though.
   236. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:37 PM (#5518995)
The hammer & sickle is more complicated as some naive kids might claim to be in favor of, you know, the utopian Communist ideal and against all the killing. Not a great argument, I know, but it's better than what any neo-Nazi would ever put forward I suspect.
That's the "The confederate flag really stands for resistance to tyranny" equivalent argument.
   237. Morty Causa Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:43 PM (#5519004)
Don't nickel and dime parse what Antifa is? That only serves to trivialize and mitigate their nefariousness. Strict adherence to an ideology is not the essence of what makes them repulsive and dangerous. It's that they have a totalitarian mindset, if not a clearly outlined program, and they brook no opposition, contending with all who differ and oppose them with total intolerance express in rhetoric and physical violence. That's enough to make them enough like Nazis, Stalinist, or Islamo-terrorist (just to stay within recent times).
   238. PreservedFish Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:44 PM (#5519007)
That's the "The confederate flag really stands for resistance to tyranny" equivalent argument.


I guess so. And there are undoubtedly some naive folks that really believe that. Since we're talking about moral planes, I'd put idiots with confederate flag bumper stickers above neo-Nazis.
   239. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:46 PM (#5519010)
Please say this is a goof.


So his name was the chink in Robert Lee's armor?

[edit] The first car I ever owned was a '79 Honda Civic hatchback that I nicknamed the Jumpin' General Li, since it was the same hideous orange color and eventually the driver's door broke while shut and after that I crawled in through the open window (or over the passenger's seat).
   240. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:50 PM (#5519017)
I fear the Canadian Far Left more than the Canadian Far Right; they're more numerous, better organised, have more presence in our culture.

Who's more of a threat in the US -- a few hundred Nazi numbskulls or thousands of tenured professors and their captive followers who think free speech is a Bad Idea?

They've been waiting a damned long time for one of the other side's mental defectives to kill someone to whip out these arguments.
   241. Greg K Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:55 PM (#5519022)
Who's more of a threat in the US -- a few hundred Nazi numbskulls or thousands of tenured professors and their captive followers who think free speech is a Bad Idea?

I find this deeply offensive.

I don't get included on the dangerous list just because I'm not tenured?

I suppose technically I'm not in the US either...
   242. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:55 PM (#5519023)
Remember that the last eight midterm shifts are 13, 63, 31, minus-8, minus-5, 54, 7, and 5. This equals your historical bar of 26, even though literally four of the eight midterm results are in single digits and only one of the eight is closer than 50% away from the "historical average."

Starting with 1994, when the Republicans shattered the Democrats 40-year lock on the House of Representatives, the 3 midterm elections with unpopular presidents whose party controlled the House produced opposition party gains of 54 (1994), 30 (2006) & 63 (2010) seats. If folks here really think that Democrats gaining 24 seats is an unfairly high bar, than they must think: (1) Trump isn't that unpopular; or (2) that his supposed unpopularity won't affect Congressional races that much; or (3) that the Democrats are so unpopular themselves that they won't be able to take advantage of the unpopularity of Trump and/or the GOP. It's absurd to contend Democrats would do well in a midterm election by not winning many seats. It's always about the seats gained or lost. Gonfalon sounds like some hack trying to justify Nancy Pelosi's continued leadership if the Dems fall short yet again.
   243. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:56 PM (#5519025)
"The confederate flag really stands for resistance to tyranny" equivalent argument.

It's commonly referred to as the rebel flag.
   244. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 09:57 PM (#5519026)
I don't get included on the dangerous list just because I'm not tenured?

Do you oppose freedom of speech? Or did you just stop reading the rest of that that sentence once you took offense?
   245. Greg K Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:04 PM (#5519035)
Do you oppose freedom of speech? Or did you just stop reading the rest of that that sentence once you took offense?

I'm sorry, the correct question to direct towards me is C: "If you know you're not funny, why do you persist in attempting to make jokes?"
   246. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:07 PM (#5519039)
Do you oppose freedom of speech? Or did you just stop reading the rest of that that sentence once you took offense?
Do you have a sense of humor? Or do you just stop thinking as soon as you take offense?

edit: fancy a Lilt, Greg?
   247. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:09 PM (#5519042)
You're too subtle for this thread, frostback.
   248. Greg K Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:11 PM (#5519048)
It's Irn Bru or nothing for me!
   249. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:17 PM (#5519055)
Statement from ESPN:

We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name. In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue.”

You're sorry all right.
   250. McCoy Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:22 PM (#5519059)
Only Donald Trump could turn a message of peace into a message of pettiness and hate.
   251. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:23 PM (#5519060)
Please say this is a goof. Please say this is a goof...


The only thing more offensive than that story is the website you linked to. Dear god, never link to them again. And to be clear, it's not content, but the website design. Horrible, horrible site. Why would anyone want to visit there a second time?
   252. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:24 PM (#5519061)
You're sorry all right.
World Wide Loser.
   253. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:26 PM (#5519064)
   254. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:29 PM (#5519065)
Christ, (((Mr. Elliptical))), don't take my word for it. Just read what the alt-right and Nazi marchers, not to mention David Duke, have repeatedly said about him. They supported Trump in the primaries, they supported him in the election, and they continue to defend him. Trump's having a Jewish son-in-law didn't seem to change any of that.
I watched that white supremacist on Vice moan and groan about Trump's Jewish grandkids. Did you?
   255. McCoy Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:30 PM (#5519066)
After the riots in Baltimore the company I worked for wanted to create a banner and fly it outside of Camden Yards during the Sox-Orioles game. Everybody is all jazzed up to do it. I end up being the party pooper and ask the boss if the optics of this are right. Did we really want a bunch of white people in suits sitting up in a balcony in an ivory tower partying it up while possibly the city burned? He looked at me like I was a complete arsehole and told me to arrange for the sign to get made. About 20 minutes later he calls me up and tells me to cancel the order because corporate has informed him not to do it.
   256. DavidFoss Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:33 PM (#5519072)
Horrible, horrible site. Why would anyone want to visit there a second time?


My tablet wouldn't let me read it. It kept resizing my screen and then reloading and then resizing my screen and then reloading... etc. It read fine on my PC. Plus, the story is trending on twitter and has gotten picked up by a few screens of websites.

It is pretty dumb. He didn't really get 'pulled', they just moved him to the Youngstown-Pitt game instead. I don't know what games he usually does. It is still incredibly dumb. I did like the fact that the announcer admitted that his friends called him "the General" when he was a kid. So he has a sense of humor about it.

For fun, I looked up Stonewall Jackson's given names. Thomas Jonathan. That was my nickname for "Tommy John" when I was a kid. :-)
   257. greenback wears sandals on his head Posted: August 22, 2017 at 10:43 PM (#5519080)
So now we know why the former Denver Broncos linebacker Tom Jackson left ESPN.

After tonight I'd wager President Trump will be pardoning Joe "Big Government Conservative" Arpaio. Any takers?
   258. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:49 PM (#5519128)
Will Bob Ley have to resign?
   259. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 22, 2017 at 11:51 PM (#5519129)
It is pretty dumb. He didn't really get 'pulled', they just moved him to the Youngstown-Pitt game instead. I don't know what games he usually does. It is still incredibly dumb. I did like the fact that the announcer admitted that his friends called him "the General" when he was a kid. So he has a sense of humor about it.


It seems the most likely explanation is ESPN hoped to quietly change the guy's assignment to a different game to avoid, well, any of this. Instead, some guys inside the network got wind of it and informed this right-wing type at Outkick the Coverage (in a screen shot of him being interviewed by Tucker Carlson, the Fox chryon uses this guy's nickname for the network - MSESPN).
   260. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: August 23, 2017 at 12:01 AM (#5519134)
Trump really is the comments section of Yahoo in human form.... the absolute random segues, occasional spittle-flecked all caps, the long list of enemies.

It boggles my mind that certain people here really are not embarrassed by him.
   261. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 12:03 AM (#5519135)
It seems the most likely explanation is ESPN hoped to quietly change the guy's assignment to a different game to avoid, well, any of this. Instead, some guys inside the network got wind of it and informed this right-wing type at Outkick the Coverage (in a screen shot of him being interviewed by Tucker Carlson, the Fox chryon uses this guy's nickname for the network - MSESPN).
1. No one watches UVA football.

2. If anyone watched and took note of his name, SO WHAT? It would get a few chuckles on Twitter and...?

Next, will Ken Tremendous chime in claiming the ESPN suits are the REAL victims here?
   262. DavidFoss Posted: August 23, 2017 at 12:17 AM (#5519136)
If anyone watched and took note of his name, SO WHAT? It would get a few chuckles on Twitter and...?


Totally agreed. This current backlash is much worse than the other one could possibly be. The game isn't even until September 2nd, so by the time the broadcast occurred, the issue would have been a little more removed from short-term memory than it is now.

In the long run, the reporter is fine. He's not fired, he's doing a different game.
   263. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 23, 2017 at 12:21 AM (#5519137)
1. No one watches UVA football.


Then they shouldn't be broadcasting it.

2. If anyone watched and took note of his name, SO WHAT? It would get a few chuckles on Twitter and...?



Someone somewhere would make something out of it, either an aggrieved member of the left would complain that it was insensitive to have a Robert Lee do the game after the tragedy, or some aggrieved member of the right would complain that those SJWS at ESPN were rubbing it in by sending an Asian named Robert Lee down there. So, rather than deal with any of it, they figured they'd quietly just switch his assignment from one inconsequential game to another, not counting on your kindred spirits within the Bristol enclave to go running to some ######### with another instance of ESPN revealing it sickening liberal bias.

Next, will Ken Tremendous chime in claiming the ESPN suits are the REAL victims here?


See, it's people like the guy who wrote this that ESPN was trying to avoid dealing with.
   264. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 12:44 AM (#5519141)
Someone somewhere would make something out of it, either an aggrieved member of the left would complain that it was insensitive to have a Robert Lee do the game after the tragedy, or some aggrieved member of the right would complain that those SJWS at ESPN were rubbing it in by sending an Asian named Robert Lee down there. So, rather than deal with any of it, they figured they'd quietly just switch his assignment from one inconsequential game to another, not counting on your kindred spirits within the Bristol enclave to go running to some ######### with another instance of ESPN revealing it sickening liberal bias.
So they weren't counting on someone leaking word of this hysteria-induced decision? That just makes them look way worse.
   265. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: August 23, 2017 at 12:48 AM (#5519142)
Best tweet response contest....

Stuart Stevens:

Point: he's not always like this
Counterpoint: Jeffrey Dahmer didn't eat everyone he met


John Dingell
We should have just all stared at eclipse


God
You think I'd do something already.
   266. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 12:50 AM (#5519143)
Please say this is a goof. Please say this is a goof...

REPORT: ESPN Removes College Football Announcer From Game Because He's Named 'Robert Lee'


It's not a goof, and I find this to be the best part. From the Daily News story but there are similar angles:

Lee, of course, shares the same name as former Confederate general Robert E. Lee. Despite this Lee, who is Asian-American, sharing no heritage to the former military leader of the Confederacy, ESPN reportedly believes the fact they share the same name is grounds enough to remove him from covering the Virginia-William & Mary football game this season.


And what if he were related to the general? What if he were the general's great-great-great-whatever grandson? Why would THAT be an issue?

This is where the left's mass hysteria has brought us. It's a fun place to arrive at, but I doubt the snowball will stop here.
   267. Renegade (((JE))) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 12:51 AM (#5519144)
Jason Whitlock:
I'm sitting here blown away about the ESPN Robert Lee story. You can't make this #### up. Ron Burgundy is running ESPN.
   268. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 01:01 AM (#5519146)
Christ, (((Mr. Elliptical))), don't take my word for it. Just read what the alt-right and Nazi marchers, not to mention David Duke, have repeatedly said about him. They supported Trump in the primaries, they supported him in the election, and they continue to defend him. Trump's having a Jewish son-in-law didn't seem to change any of that.


Trump could have been George Clooney and the Nazis would have supported him over Hillary Clinton. You see, Andy, the way it works is, white supremacists will tend to vote for the... white male... over any minority or female candidate. Film at eleven? That's sort of the way white supremacy works. So it wouldn't be a shock that they supported Trump over Hillary.

Moreover, why would white supremacists vote for the party that just had a black president, who was supporting the D candidate, who is not a white male?

Do you understand the words "white supremacy"? If that's your warped philosophy, you're voting for the white male. QEfuckingD.
   269. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 01:08 AM (#5519149)
"Walked his statements back" and "admitted he wasn't sincere" are beyond body language anyway. They are specific summations of his actual words. So quote his actual words. Quote where you think he walked his statements back or admitted he wasn't sincere.

Don't have an explicit walk-back or admission of insincerity? I'll accept implicit (even though "walking back" and "admission of insincerity" really only make sense as explicit direct words). Give me something from his words.


Almost 6 hours later and nobody has offered a defense of the "walked his statements back" and "admitted he wasn't sincere." I guess even people willing to initially make frivolous arguments can sometimes find a sense of shame on reconsideration.
   270. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 01:17 AM (#5519150)
After tonight I'd wager President Trump will be pardoning Joe "Big Government Conservative" Arpaio. Any takers?


Even before tonight it seemed a cinch Trump will pardon him. Maybe as early as Wednesday. Note the word "today" forced in to Sarah Huckabee Sanders's comment:

"I can tell you that there will be no discussion of that today at any point, and no action will be taken on that front at any time today," Sanders said.

(She has to be related to at least one of Mike Huckabee, Bernie Sanders, and Sarah Palin, no?)
   271. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 23, 2017 at 01:22 AM (#5519152)
Someone somewhere would make something out of it, either an aggrieved member of the left would complain that it was insensitive to have a Robert Lee do the game after the tragedy, or some aggrieved member of the right would complain that those SJWS at ESPN were rubbing it in by sending an Asian named Robert Lee down there. So, rather than deal with any of it, they figured they'd quietly just switch his assignment from one inconsequential game to another, not counting on your kindred spirits within the Bristol enclave to go running to some ######### with another instance of ESPN revealing it sickening liberal bias.

Oh, boo-boo. ESPN got caught (yet, again) doing something stupid, and it's so unfair that people are mocking them? Please, they don't deserve any special protection from the impact of their own actions.
   272. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 23, 2017 at 01:37 AM (#5519154)
Oh, boo-boo. ESPN got caught (yet, again) doing something stupid, and it's so unfair that people are mocking them? Please, they don't deserve any special protection from the impact of their own actions.


They obviously made a terrible call, and the mocking is fair (and believe me, I'm the last guy who is going to offer those thieving ####### any special protection). I just think they should be mocked for what they did do, not for what Jason and that disphit at OTK thinks they did. They didn't switch him as part of some leftwing crusade. They pulled him to avoid anyone making the connection between his name and the general's, and it becoming an issue. They failed spectacularly at that, and for that they should be mocked.

Trump could have been George Clooney and the Nazis would have supported him over Hillary Clinton. You see, Andy, the way it works is, white supremacists will tend to vote for the... white male... over any minority or female candidate. Film at eleven? That's sort of the way white supremacy works. So it wouldn't be a shock that they supported Trump over Hillary.


C'mon. The white supremacists were a hell of a lot more charged up for Trump than they were for McCain or Romney, and those two were running against an actual black guy.

   273. tshipman Posted: August 23, 2017 at 02:31 AM (#5519157)
Almost 6 hours later and nobody has offered a defense of the "walked his statements back" and "admitted he wasn't sincere." I guess even people willing to initially make frivolous arguments can sometimes find a sense of shame on reconsideration.


From the transcript:

The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement but you don’t make statements that direct unless you know the facts....
So making the statement when I made it was excellent.


I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that. But I’ll say it right now.

You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent.


REPORTER: You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides?

TRUMP: Well I do think there’s blame. Yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it. And you don’t have doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest —

TRUMP: Excuse me. They didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis. And you had some very bad people in that group.



   274. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 07:19 AM (#5519163)
It boggles my mind that certain people here really are not embarrassed by him.


Some people aren't embarrassed about anything. It's the complete lack of perspicacity and self-reflection that many people admire in Trump, his willingness to boldly be stupid and double-down when his stupidity is noted. Normal people suffer repercussions for their dumbth and dishonesty, so when they see a man who wallows in those characteristics and is nonetheless successful and powerful, they have the same fawning admirations weekend golfers had for a young Tiger Woods.
   275. Lassus Posted: August 23, 2017 at 07:31 AM (#5519164)
they have the same fawning admirations weekend golfers had for a young Tiger Woods.

Er, Tiger Woods is eclipsed as a golfer by maybe one dude in history. This is a real quadruple-bogey of an analogy.
   276. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 07:38 AM (#5519165)
I think it was a-hole in one.
   277. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 23, 2017 at 07:43 AM (#5519166)
You knew it was going to happen. I mean it just had to. Wow the GOP has some dumb deeply embedded into it. This is way dumber than even pulling some dude from a football broadcast because of his name.

GOP Lawmaker Suggests Obama Staged Charlottesville

Idaho state Rep. Bryan Zollinger (R) said that he’s doubling down on the claim that it is “completely plausible” that Democratic officials staged the tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia, to smear President Trump, the Spokesman-Review reports.

And he said donors are pledging to give him money in response to widespread criticism of the post.

Said Zollinger: “At first, I felt genuinely bad that maybe I had offended somebody. Since then, the amazing amount of hate and the despicable things that have been said about myself, my wife, my kids, I’ve doubled down.”

He added: “Obama was a community organizer before he was the president of the United States… I still do think it’s plausible.”

   278. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 23, 2017 at 07:45 AM (#5519167)
And now, back here on planet Earth ... Flake in Double Electoral Jeopardy

A new Highground poll in Arizona shows Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) trailing Kelli Ward (R) in a GOP Senate primary, 43% to 28%.

Flake also trails Kyrsten Sinema (D) in a possible general election match up, 41% to 33%.
   279. Lassus Posted: August 23, 2017 at 07:47 AM (#5519168)
I think it was a-hole in one.

Sure.
   280. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:18 AM (#5519172)
They didn't switch him as part of some leftwing crusade. They pulled him to avoid anyone making the connection between his name and the general's, and it becoming an issue.

As nuts as the left often is, at least thry have a rationale for their activism. The problem here is some combination of cowardice and idiocy... which is why I would indentify corporate dominance of our communication structure as a very real threat to democracy.

Not all lefty profs are pro-censorship. oHeard Robert McChesney defend Dick Spencer's argument that Google, Facebook, and Paypal are more powerful threats to freedom of speeech than the government.

Also, some wingnuts are freaking out over Brooklyn Law Prof Alic Ristroph's Atlantic piece linking the eclipse to US racial history. Haven't read the entire piece, but it seems thoughtful if misguided:

The Great American Eclipse illuminates, or darkens, a land still segregated, a land still in search of equality, a land of people still trying to dominate each other. When the lovely glow of a backlight fades, history is relentless, just one damn fact after another, one damning fact after another. America is a nation with debts that no honest man can pay. It is too much to ask that these debts simply be forgiven. But perhaps the strange path of the eclipse suggests a need for reorganization. We have figured out, more or less, how to count every person. We have not yet found a political system in which every person counts equally.

As Andrew Young observed regarding Stone Mountain and other confederate monuments, it's foolhardy to maintain eternal grievance over history rather than working to improve things here and now. The mentality that debts can never be forgiven nor repaid is the antithesis of King's civil rights movement and the mentality that incarcerates and condemns so many Blacks for life.

To stoke eternal grievance for historical sins while wishing for an impossible equality lays the path toward the crimes Jason decries across the Communist world.

Or a second Civil War.
   281. PreservedFish Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:29 AM (#5519175)
He added: “Obama was a community organizer before he was the president of the United States… I still do think it’s plausible.”


Because he's really great at organizing communities?
   282. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:38 AM (#5519176)
Christ, (((Mr. Elliptical))), don't take my word for it. Just read what the alt-right and Nazi marchers, not to mention David Duke, have repeatedly said about him. They supported Trump in the primaries, they supported him in the election, and they continue to defend him. Trump's having a Jewish son-in-law didn't seem to change any of that.

I watched that white supremacist on Vice moan and groan about Trump's Jewish grandkids. Did you?


Of course I watched that VICE report, but talk about small sample size. I could bore you by quoting David Duke or Richard Spencer at length, but here's something from just an hour ago, in case you actually believe that white supremacists care more about Trump's Jewish grandchildren than they do about Trump's white nationalist ideology:

White Supremacists Celebrate President Trump's Rally in Phoenix

Here's one friend of the Jews who seemed to love what Trump was saying:

Internet personality and white supremacist Baked Alaska, whose real name is Tim Gionet, celebrated the chants of “CNN sucks.”

But Gionet doesn’t just hate CNN. He’s a Holocaust denier who has made videos saying that the, “mainstream media has been lying for over a hundred years.” Gionet and his friend Millennial Matt, real name Matthew Colligan, have said that Hitler wanted to get rid of the fake news in Nazi Germany and because “they didn’t have the internet, they didn’t have 4Chan,” people got fake news about World War II. In the video Colligan laments the fact that absent the internet, “our friends in Europe back in 1933 and 1945 didn’t have that opportunity” to hear how great Hitler was.

Other anti-semitic Trump supporters believed that by calling out the media, Trump was calling out Jews, using the word “Lugenpresse,” German for “lying press.”

And so on. But continue to ignore the overwhelming evidence that anti-semites and white supremacists treat Trump like their wildest dreams come true, because you wouldn't want to leave your cocoon.

But as long as he doesn't disown his grandchildren, and maybe learns a few words of yiddish and keeps his Jewish lawyers, he can't possibly be a despicable person in your eyes. That's a hell of a moral albatross you're carrying around your neck these days.
   283. Heart of Matt Harvey Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:39 AM (#5519177)
I was exceptionally cranky yday. Took a massive dump. Bugs gone.
   284. DavidFoss Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:39 AM (#5519178)
Idaho state Rep. Bryan Zollinger (R)


First-term representative of the B-seat of the 33rd district in the Idaho State House of Representatives -- representing the Idaho Falls area. Republicans hold a 56-14 majority in the Idaho House.

I'm not sure why we care about his opinions. His punishment for saying something stupid? Huge donations flooding in from out of state. That'll teach him and also serve as an example to other backbench members of local councils on the dangers of weighing in on national news.

   285. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:40 AM (#5519179)
Self-loathing Puerto Ricans are the worst.
   286. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:49 AM (#5519180)
I'm not sure why we care about his opinions.


And yet here we endlessly parse the opinions of ESPN folks, newscasters, comedians and so on? Really? You don't think there is anything comment worthy about the insane ramblings of an elected official?

So exactly whose comments are care-worthy? I would like a list so I can be sure and curate my comments towards your desires. /snark.
   287. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:50 AM (#5519181)
Please, they don't deserve any special protection from the impact of their own actions.


The main impact of their actions appear to be causing multiple orgasms....

But hey - I'll certainly cosign the idea that it's in the running for the 62,984,826th most braindead, assinine, AYFKM, dumbest thing done in the last calendar year.

It's just really hard to break in to the top 62,984,825.
   288. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 23, 2017 at 08:55 AM (#5519184)
I'm not sure why we care about his opinions. His punishment for saying something stupid? Huge donations flooding in from out of state.


There are some real tangible advantages to building your political party on a foundation of Creationists. You're working with a base pre-selected to believe impossible and easily-disproven things in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I mean really, compared to the global evolution conspiracy, Hussein X the Kenyan Muslim conspiring with ((Soros)) the Nazi Jew to discredit and destroy the white race is a piece of cake.
   289. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:06 AM (#5519188)
This is where the left's mass hysteria has brought us. It's a fun place to arrive at, but I doubt the snowball will stop here.


We should all pause and take note that the very same people and impulses that are insisting that Trump didn't denounce Nazis are the very same ones who feel duty-bound to pull an Asian-American named Robert Lee from the announcing booth in Virginia because his presence might "offend" people.

Hysteria??? What hysteria?!?!?!?!?!

Now, as to the discussion on civic duty that commenced a bit yesterday. By feeding and further inflaming the hysterics, ESPN's actions were a dereliction thereof. A spectacular one. Evel Knievel at the Snake River Canyon in scope.
   290. PreservedFish Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:08 AM (#5519189)
At least Zollinger makes Wolf Blitzer look thoughtful by comparison.
   291. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:09 AM (#5519190)
We should all pause and take note that the very same people and impulses that are insisting that Trump didn't denounce Nazis are the very same ones who feel duty-bound to pull an Asian-American named Robert Lee from the announcing booth in Virginia.


This is an absurd lie even for SBB. ESPN executives claimed Trump didn't denounce the Nazi? OK then, if that is the story you are going with. Or maybe we should read you seriously, but not literally? Man I wish you could color code these comments.
   292. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:18 AM (#5519194)
ESPN executives claimed Trump didn't denounce the Nazi?


Of course they did. Everybody believes that, remember?

Please try to follow along.

   293. PreservedFish Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:20 AM (#5519195)
ESPN executives made a stupid (and harmless) decision in a hilarious overabundance of caution. I don't see how it's a liberal thing at all.
   294. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:21 AM (#5519196)
I don't see how anyone can deny Trump has divided America terribly...

Once upon a time, laughing at/deriding ESPN was the one universal thing that brought BBTF together.

   295. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:24 AM (#5519197)
I don't see how it's a liberal thing at all.


I can think of at least five people who would gladly ship you their eclipse viewer glasses.

Personally, I think people are paying far too little attention to the fact that Rick Binladen will do the UVA game instead.
   296. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:25 AM (#5519198)
Is incitement of riots an impeachable offense? Asking for a friend.
   297. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:27 AM (#5519200)
I don't see how anyone can deny Trump has divided America terribly...


It was divided long before Trump.

We haven't had a Republican president in the full-on social media age. That's the vast majority of what's going on here. Leftists think every Republican president is a racist, but now they have the communicative means to see and hissy fit about every last thing the president says and does.

The medium itself is hysteria-inducing and is very much the message.
   298. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:29 AM (#5519201)
Politico/Morning Consult poll -- one of just two, I believe, that previously had yet to find him dropping below 40% -- now has him at 39%.

And that the Rass stands alone...
   299. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:30 AM (#5519202)
ESPN executives made a stupid (and harmless) decision in a hilarious overabundance of caution.


It's not harmless at all. It harmed an innocent man professionally, and called attention to his name -- and now every Twitter troll in the world knows who he is and the possible name associations he brings forth.
   300. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: August 23, 2017 at 09:31 AM (#5519203)
We haven't had a Republican president in the full-on social media age. That's the vast majority of what's going on here. Leftists think every Republican president is a racist, but now they have the communicative means to see and hissy fit about every last thing the president says and does.


Keep normalizing him, man.

You'll get that sweet cable head spot yet!
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