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OTP 23 October 2017: Dave Zirin discusses how race, politics, culture impact sports

“There was a mammoth gap between what I thought about sports history and what actually was sports history,” Zirin said.

Zirin used examples of figureheads of the civil rights movement to demonstrate how there has always been a connection between sports and politics. He spoke about athletes like Jackie Robinson who, in addition to becoming the first African-American to play in Major League Baseball, was an important figure in the civil rights movement alongside Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X and others.

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   101. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:12 PM (#5560541)
So, in what sense are you a phenomenologist, say?


He read that word once and thought it looked cool.
   102. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5560542)
She's not dressed like an "entertainment personality."

You know nothing, Jon Quack.


Apparently Morty

SBB
   103. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5560543)
Turns out that one of the houses my company is advertising this week has a stripper pole in the game room. Kind of a bizarre moment of synchronicity.
   104. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5560544)
Apparently Morty

SBB


The dangers of skipping, skimming, and the hard ignore function. My apologies to Morty, whom I'm sure will say something equally stupid soon enough.
   105. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:14 PM (#5560545)
Turns out that one of the houses my company is advertising this week has a stripper pole in the game room.

There's apparently a rather large and growing number of non-stripper pole-dancing fitness and acrobatic classes, as well as competitions.
   106. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5560546)
“This must stop,” she said, staring directly into the camera. “The abuse of women, the shaming of them, the threatening, the retaliation. The silencing of them after-the-fact.”

Kelly says she complained to Fox News about O'Reilly nearly a year ago, but network executives turned a deaf ear to her pleas.
Jennifer Rubin has an interesting article up about this. She asks a good question-
The intentional coverup of someone who allegedly subjected so many women on a regular basis to such horrific conduct forces one to ask: Shouldn’t someone go to jail for this? And I don’t mean just O’Reilly, if the conduct rises to the level of assault or extortion (i.e., “You need to sleep with me or you’ll never work in this town”).

So what can be done when the ownership of a company (or those that effectively control the company) engages in such behavior?
Talking about Murdoch and sons. I guess it could also apply to Dave Patterson or Susan Stone at MLB network, though.
   107. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5560548)
There's apparently a rather large and growing number of non-stripper pole-dancing fitness and acrobatic classes, as well as competitions.


There are, but this particular one looks like it's been there since the late '80s.

No skin off my nose, though, if you want to dance (or watch others dance) in the privacy of your own home. Just thought it was funny.
   108. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:17 PM (#5560549)
There's apparently a rather large and growing number of non-stripper pole-dancing fitness and acrobatic classes, as well as competitions.


Yes. One of my wife's friends, a perfectly straight laced middle aged mother of 2, even a bit on the religious side, is a pole dance instructor.
   109. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:20 PM (#5560550)
We would never accept this from humans, just take a dump on the sidewalk and then scoop it up and you're all good.

I know, right? What's more, dogs don't even pay taxes. Is there no end to the inequitable oppression to which Ray must be subject?
   110. Hysterical & Useless Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:21 PM (#5560551)
Not that I would expect many here to know, but women mostly dress to impress other women.


Yes, because in Clapper's world, all the best women are lesbians ;)


YC is of course correct; women know that straight men are for the most part incapable of telling the difference between one item of clothing and another (beyond "how much skin does it show?"). WTF do you think they take their girlfriends and/or female relatives clothes shopping, rather than one of the guys they're supposedly trying to impress?

Many women love high heels because, by putting the wearer up on her toes, they make their calves look slimmer and more shapely.

And that was not, by any stretch of the imagination, an LBD that Heidi Watney was wearing.
   111. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5560552)
There are, but this particular one looks like it's been there since the late '80s.

History! Fun.


SBB's point regarding the objectification of women is not lost on me, but presenting it in such a bass-ackward manner regarding something that it needs to be irrelevant to renders it pointless. It's like Dworkin for written by Dummies.
   112. PepTech Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:23 PM (#5560553)
Check out the tweet from the Today Show: Megyn wearing an LBD. No word yet on the shoes.

I don't actually know at this point whether this helps or hurts SBB's "argument", whatever that is...
   113. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:24 PM (#5560555)
Not that I would expect many here to know, but women mostly dress to impress other women.


Well, substantively the heels are very outer borough/Jersey -- at best.

She's dressed ridiculously for the context, in a multiplicity of dimensions. As I've said, though, it isn't really her choice. Somehow, someway, though, the usual suspects will dispute.
   114. Hysterical & Useless Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:25 PM (#5560557)
Megyn wearing an LBD.


Sorry, didn't scroll down far enough.

But, since we only see her upper torso, not really sure it qualifies as an LBD.
   115. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:26 PM (#5560558)
There's apparently a rather large and growing number of non-stripper pole-dancing fitness and acrobatic classes, as well as competitions.


Um, yeah -- there is.
   116. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:28 PM (#5560559)
WTF is an LBD?
   117. PepTech Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:29 PM (#5560560)
YC is of course correct; women know that straight men are for the most part incapable of telling the difference between one item of clothing
Yes, yes, I'm just enjoying having fun with this whole stupid sidebar.

Women also wear heels (and wedges) because they prefer being taller. My daughter works in an office environment, is never on camera or display, and averages three inches of lift in her daily footwear. My ankles would snap off, but it seems you can get used to just about anything fashion-related with practice. Except neckties.
   118. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:30 PM (#5560561)
WTF is an LBD?


"Little Black Dress", I think.
   119. Nose army. Beef diaper? (CoB) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5560563)
From Trump's interview with FOX Business News' Maria Bartiromo:


BARTIROMO: And last week on this program we had Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

TRUMP: Right.

BARTIROMO: He commended you. He congratulated you for decertifying Iran in — what you did last week. Do you think they’re going to get Europeans to support you in terms of sanctions, in terms of not selling technology to Iran?

TRUMP: Honestly, I told them. They’re friends of mine. They really are. I get along with all of them. Whether it’s Emmanuel, or whether it’s Angela, I get along — I really like those people.

I told them, just keep making money. Don’t worry about it. We don’t need you on this. You just keep making money. When Iran buys things from Germany and from France and from the various — by billions of dollars, even us, they were going to buy Boeings. I don’t know what’s going to happen with the deal.

We’ll see what happens with the deal, but — but when they buy those things, it’s a little harder for those countries to do something. Would they do it if I really was insistent? I believe they would.

I told them just keep making money. Don’t worry. We don’t need you on this one.


Stupid and the sychophant
   120. PreservedFish Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5560564)
materialist
[…]
phenomenologist


Solipsist.
   121. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:33 PM (#5560565)
Yes, yes, I'm just enjoying having fun with this whole stupid sidebar.


It is nice that SBB has discovered fashion and also that people on TV often don't dress like other people, because TV is a visual medium. So small steps.
   122. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5560567)
Women also wear heels (and wedges) because they prefer being taller. My daughter works in an office environment, is never on camera or display, and averages three inches of lift in her daily footwear. My ankles would snap off, but it seems you can get used to just about anything fashion-related with practice. Except neckties.


Flight attendants are not required to wear heels, flats are perfectly acceptable, but most wear heels anyway. And few jobs require one to be on their feet more than flight attendant.
   123. Morty Causa Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5560568)
Morty, women have been brainwashed by men to believe they need to look alluring in order to succeed. This was what women wore 38 years ago and it served them just fine.

You know what the style for women in dresses was in the late '60s and early-mid '70s right before that one?

To think that women had no say when it came to wearing short dresses, revealing décolletage, bikinis, etc. is, to me, just mindbogglingly stupid. What's worse is some men ever think the women/girls are even dumber than they are.

Sexual attraction is a two-way street, and members of both sexes feel an advantage in highlighting their attributes. Women want to attract men and are in competition with other women. Same for men, although maybe the tactics vary as to the two sexes.
   124. Blanks for Nothing, Larvell Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:34 PM (#5560569)
My daughter works in an office environment, is never on camera or display, and averages three inches of lift in her daily footwear.


Three inches are nothing. You gotta double that to get to Watney's. And the difference isn't really proportional, but exponential.
   125. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:35 PM (#5560570)
Um, yeah -- there is.

Yes, the MLB highlight women aren't dressed for those either, so you're 0-2.
   126. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:43 PM (#5560573)
It is nice that SBB has discovered fashion and also that people on TV often don't dress like other people, because TV is a visual medium. So small steps.

It's also barely true anyhow. I had a serious GF in the city for awhile who wore heels everywhere. 5-inches. She grokked the idea that it was societal, but didn't care. She was not actually a stripper. (That one wore flats.)
   127. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:46 PM (#5560575)
Women also wear heels (and wedges) because they prefer being taller. My daughter works in an office environment, is never on camera or display, and averages three inches of lift in her daily footwear. My ankles would snap off, but it seems you can get used to just about anything fashion-related with practice. Except neckties.
Now if I can just convince my employer that requiring men to wear neckties is sexual harassment...
   128. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:54 PM (#5560577)
You know what the style for women in dresses was in the late '60s and early-mid '70s right before that one?
You mean the style for strippers or for baseball highlight show hostesses?
   129. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5560583)
The UWS is indeed crowded with dogs, but I've never felt their waste to be a problem. Scaffolding, though! Talk about a racket!


All across the city this scaffolding goes up, and it doesn't come down.... for months or years. And there's rarely much indication that any work is actually happening, certainly not diligently. It's really an eye sore.

But not worse than the scourge of dog waste all over the place. When it snows it's like putting the invisible ink of dog piss under a florescent lamp. People don't realize how much dog piss is all over the place.
   130. Morty Causa Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:58 PM (#5560584)
128

You couldn't tell the difference. (Shel Silverstein had a classic cartoon panel in Playboy @ '69 or '70 on this. It ended with "She calls a cop.")
   131. PepTech Posted: October 23, 2017 at 04:59 PM (#5560585)
This was what women wore 38 years ago and it served them just fine.
(Note to Morty: 38 years ago - do the math ;))
   132. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:03 PM (#5560589)
We would never accept this from humans, just take a dump on the sidewalk and then scoop it up and you're all good.


Quoting Ray, as quoted @109, just to point out that folks are burying the depth of his unhingedness related to pets in his neighborhood. Note that he's not merely upset with dog #### on the sidewalks. It's still a problem EVEN IF THE PET OWNER PICKS UP AFTER THEIR ANIMAL.
   133. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:05 PM (#5560591)
It's still a problem EVEN IF THE PET OWNER PICKS UP AFTER THEIR ANIMAL.


It is, because it's a disgusting visual. That's why people go to the bathroom behind closed doors (or closed stalls).

If I pulled down my pants and went in the street and then cleaned it up, it would still be a problem for you, I imagine. There's no difference just because it's a dog.
   134. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:05 PM (#5560593)
When it comes to shit, Ray is anti-dog, pro-bull.
   135. Jack Keefe Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:07 PM (#5560594)
Al I can say is Al if I was to go into some refined General Men's Club and I saw Megan Chilly hanagin of a Pole in a Pink Fuzzy Sweater I wood ask for my Coffer Charge Back.
   136. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5560596)
If I pulled down my pants and went in the street and then cleaned it up, it would still be a problem for you, I imagine. There's no difference just because it's a dog.


At a minimum, I think it's highly unlikely that the dog would have any pants to pull down.
   137. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:13 PM (#5560598)
At a minimum, I think it's highly unlikely that the dog would have any pants to pull down.


You haven't seen the dogs in Manhattan that the crazy rich people have.

They wear coats on chilly days.
   138. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:14 PM (#5560600)
It is, because it's a disgusting visual. That's why people go to the bathroom behind closed doors (or closed stalls).


So, to be clear, Ray doesn't have a problem with the cleanliness of his streets. He is neurotic about shitting.
   139. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:15 PM (#5560601)
Lassus replying to SBB Larvell, #93:
fussy and pedantic and hyper-literal argument about terminology

I wasn't giving you a hard time over streetwalkers vs. escorts. The line between pole-dancer and entertainment personality is not "fussy", "pedantic", or "hyper-literal", to add other words to the large list of ones you can't figure out.



In the dying gasps of the previous thread, SBB Larvell also misrepresented a "Gray Lady" article about Republicans trying to impede and shut down their own Trump investigations as "Today's dispatch from the Reality Might Be Starting To Finally Creep In, At Least A Little Bit files."

You have to remember that SBB Larvell lives in The Reality much as the "Stranger Things" monster lives in the Upside-Down.
   140. Morty Causa Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:15 PM (#5560602)
131:

:>)
   141. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:15 PM (#5560603)
To be fair, I don't really want to watch people defecating either.
   142. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:18 PM (#5560606)
To be fair, I don't really want to watch people defecating either.


Everybody poops, David.
   143. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5560607)
So, to be clear, Ray doesn't have a problem with the cleanliness of his streets. He is neurotic about shitting.


The cleanliness of my streets and the shitting in public I believe are the two issues I highlighted for you.
   144. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:19 PM (#5560608)
Everybody poops, David.


Not for all to see.

You're really bad at issue spotting, aren't you?
   145. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5560611)

Everybody poops, David.
Yes. Some do it verbally, too.

Doesn't mean I want to watch it.
   146. The Good Face Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:25 PM (#5560612)
I've found the bright side of my dog dropping a huge, meaty steamer right there in public. It's a great opportunity for some sustained eye contact with the various people nearby who are gazing with horror at the events unfolding. My dog plays along by staring at other people while mid-act. Good dog!
   147. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:28 PM (#5560614)
We would never accept this from humans, just take a dump on the sidewalk and then scoop it up and you're all good.

I know, right? What's more, dogs don't even pay taxes. Is there no end to the inequitable oppression to which Ray must be subject?


I'd bet that people who don't want kids are more likely to have a dog. You and Sam would be data points in that.
   148. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:29 PM (#5560615)
Not for all to see.


You carry a gallon of hand sanitizer around with you everywhere you go, don't you Sheldon?
   149. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:29 PM (#5560616)

YC is of course correct; women know that straight men are for the most part incapable of telling the difference between one item of clothing and another (beyond "how much skin does it show?"). WTF do you think they take their girlfriends and/or female relatives clothes shopping, rather than one of the guys they're supposedly trying to impress?

My wife seems sincerely pleased when I compliment her on the clothes she's wearing, but then 90% of the time she's in jeans and some shirt she fancies from an outfit called "Liberty of London",** which looks to the untutored eye just like a standard issue pinstriped Oxford.

OTOH when she shops for clothes it's almost always by herself. Sometimes she drags me along, but not to ask for my advice.

Here's something I think is weird, though: Her startup website is applying for foundation grants, and on her CV she put about the most unflattering picture of herself imaginable, and she's a very nice looking woman. When I tried to tell her to use a picture that makes her look more like she actually does, she said "You don't understand, this is a business look".

And I still can't figure this out. I know why she wouldn't want to put up a picture of herself asking someone to explain his ketchup secret, or one where she's dressed like the stereotyped hooker, but why would she deliberately opt for the least flattering picture out of the many she could have chosen? I don't think I'll ever quite understand this reasoning.

** Not to be confused with Lloyd's of Lubbock.
   150. Omineca Greg Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5560617)
My daughter is into the pole dancing. She's graduated out of basic pole and is now doing power pole. Glamour pole is the sexy style, she doesn't do that one. Her boyfriend is kind of blasé about the whole thing. She even travels with her pole, when she comes to visit she sets it up in her old room.

Apparently there's a difference in pole colours throughout the Anglosphere? We have brass poles here, I think my daughter told me that in the US they more often go for silver poles. I don't know what kind of metal they use in the Antipodes, but everyone goes around the pole the opposite direction than they do here.

When she was in her last year of high school, she told me that her career plan was to be a "pole dancing philosopher."

I told her it was good to diversify like that. Pole dancing goes in and out of style, but philosophy will always put food on the table.

She goes barefoot or sometimes wears those soft little slipper-type shoes when she's on the pole. No heels.

It's interesting, there's absolutely no sexiness in her pole routines, it's very much like gymnastics. I take that back, there is some sexiness, she always does it to real over the top sexually explicit hip hop and club music. I'm always like, "Wouldn't that be better with some twee pop?". And then she gives me the death look.
   151. Jack Keefe Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5560618)
Al I can say is Al if I was to go into some refined General Men's Club and I saw some Beach on Freeze laying down a Doggy Log I wood ask for my Coffer Charge Back.
   152. Satan Says Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:30 PM (#5560620)
So, in what sense are you a phenomenologist, say?

I was trying to find the term to describe the gap between what we know on an intellectual level to be true and our experience of the world through our limited perceptual abilities.

For instance, there was a period in my life where I experienced a profound sense of connection to... the ineffable. I was largely past the point of fitting it into any religious framework, but in talking to a few Christians of a charismatic bent, they immediately identified the holy ghost in one instance where I experienced a presence, an annointing in another where I sensed connections to both the natural world and strangers that was a knowing what I shouldn't know. An opening to the inner experience of others.

Both times, things went back to normal after a week or so.

On a more mundane level, just the wind and the rain and the trees rushing by on the highway, a sunrise over the river that's otherworldly, a silence inside where "I" disappear.

Don't know how those relate to different philosopbical schools of thought in the branch.
   153. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:31 PM (#5560621)
From Trump's interview with FOX Business News' Maria Bartiromo:
Wow:
We have so many things in this plan that are going to be for growth and you know your next questions going to be deficit so and on, and I fully understand that we all understand it, and growth, if we pick up one point on GDP that’s $2.5 trillion if you think of.
I would love to see the math he's basing this on. Maybe looking 10 years out? After 10 years of compound growth the difference between 2.5% and 3.5% would be a little under 2.5 trillion.

Reading further, I think he just got confused (surprise!) and had the number $2.5 trillion stuck in his mind with respect to a tax holiday on earnings repatriation.
   154. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5560622)
Al I can say is Al if I was to go into some refined General Men's Club and I saw some Beach on Freeze laying down a Doggy Log I wood ask for my Coffer Charge Back.

Quality
   155. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:33 PM (#5560623)
Everybody poops, David.

Not for all to see.

You're really bad at issue spotting, aren't you?
I see what you did there.
   156. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:36 PM (#5560624)
At a minimum, I think it's highly unlikely that the dog would have any pants to pull down.


You haven't seen the dogs in Manhattan that the crazy rich people have.

They wear coats on chilly days.


The only dogs I object to are the ones that never stop barking, but I have to admit I did a double take the first time I saw a shop dedicated to gourmet food for pets, on a street with decidedly gentrified rent levels. It took me awhile to realize it wasn't just a hugely elaborate put-on, but now you see insanity like this in almost any upscale neighborhood there is.

Just don't someone tell me they've seen caterers specializing in pet weddings. (Cue that famous Marge Simpson scene.)
   157. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:38 PM (#5560627)
From Trump's interview with FOX Business News' Maria Bartiromo


Thank God Joey Ramone wasn't alive to see this.
   158. Satan Says Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:38 PM (#5560628)
If you read the testimonies of the women in the Weinstein and Toback cases, what you are hearing is the shock, the dissonance, between the powerful, respected figure combined with the dude on the subway jacking it. A genuine WTF experience in which there's no right way to respond anx no way to really relate the experience to others afterwards.

Have any of you been the object of unwanted or unexpected sexual advances, particularly from men? The first time a guy wbo I thought was a new friend started rubbing my shoulders, I just froze, basically, shortly extricated myself from the encounter, and pretty much couldn't talk to him again. Times after that, it was much easier to navigate if often profoundly weird or at least uncomfortable.

The time the old lady grabbed me by the crotch at work, just a surprise. But not as surprising as when she lifted her blouse to reveal the strapon she was wearing.
   159. PreservedFish Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:40 PM (#5560631)
Does Ray want his taxes to pay for conveniently located doggie restrooms?
   160. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:40 PM (#5560632)
It's interesting, there's absolutely no sexiness in her pole routines, it's very much like gymnastics.


Brutal core work.
   161. Satan Says Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:41 PM (#5560633)
t I did a double take the first time I saw a shop dedicated to gourmet food for pets, on a street with decidedly gentrified rent levels. It took me awhile to realize it wasn't just a hugely elaborate put-on, but now you see insanity like this in almost any upscale neighborhood there is.

Or at Walmart where the lady was ringing up each set of cat pajamas seperately.
   162. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:41 PM (#5560634)

The first time a guy wbo I thought was a new friend started rubbing my shoulders, I just froze, basically, shortly extricated myself from the encounter, and pretty much couldn't talk to him again.
Sheesh; it was just that one time, and I said I was sorry.
   163. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:45 PM (#5560636)
The only dogs I object to are the ones that never stop barking, but I have to admit I did a double take the first time I saw a shop dedicated to gourmet food for pets, on a street with decidedly gentrified rent levels. It took me awhile to realize it wasn't just a hugely elaborate put-on, but now you see insanity like this in almost any upscale neighborhood there is.


The obligatory Frasier episode dealing with this:

Robert [pronounced "Ro-bear"]: Can I help you with anything else, monsieur?
Martin: No thanks, this six-dollar can of dog food will be fine. It
sure teaches me not to leave my shopping till the last minute
again.

...
Meanwhile, Martin is looking at some samples on a table.

Martin: Whoa! Eighteen dollars a pound! This salami's good, but
it's not that good.
Robert: That saucissons was aged for six months and was cured in a
small village at the foot of the Pyrenees at Gilder Brown.
It's a steal at that price.
Martin: You got that right, pal.
Niles: Dad, if you want to wait outside, I'll be through in a minute.
Martin: What? I'm fine. Whoa-ho, look at all these different kinds
of olive oil. Virgin, extra-virgin. [laughs] Extra-virgin?
How does that work? [laughs] Well, I guess if you can cure a
sausage!

Niles seems to be embarrassed.

Robert: Monsieur, I'm so glad you find my foods so amusing.
Niles: Oh, Robert, he's only joking, keep on slicing.
Martin: Oh, come on now, even you've got to admit this whole store's
kinda nutty.
Robert: Pardon?
Martin: Fourteen dollars for a pound of goat's cheese. God, at that
price I ought to be able to get a whole goat!
Niles: [to Robert] We're slicing!
Robert: [to Martin] Perhaps, Monsieur, you would be more comfortable
if you just waited outside.
Martin: You want me to leave, just come out and say it in plain
English.
Robert: Fine, leave from my store.
Martin: Okay, no problem. Come on Niles, you heard the man, he wants
us to [French accent] "leave from his store."
Robert: Don't hurry back.
Martin: Don't worry, all the money in the world wouldn't get me back
in this snob shop.
...
Back at Frasier's apartment.

Niles: Dad, I can't help noticing Eddie's looking a bit glum.
Martin: Yeah, he's mad at me. I gave him a can of that dog food from
your fancy gourmet place the other day.
Niles: He didn't like it?
Martin: No, he loved it, but now he won't eat anything else! He even
turned his nose up at a kosher pickle and he loves those. And
the bad thing is, I called all over Seattle and Frenchie's the
only one who carries that stuff.
Niles: I don't suppose you'd consider apologizing?
Martin: Forget it, I'm never setting foot in that store again.
Niles: If things get worse, there is a technique of sleep-feeding I
know. It involves an eye-dropper and a high fructose protein
shake.
Martin: Well, I don't know about that.
Niles: Well, it worked on Maris.
...

Scene Two — High-Priced French Gourmet Shop
Daphne and Martin enter and notice Robert is not there, only his
assistant.

Martin: Oh, he's not even here.
Daphne: Your luck's out.
Martin: [goes to assistant] Yes, I'll just take a case of that dog
food, please.
Assistant: Will that be all?
Martin: Yeah, that's it and I'm in a bit of a hurry.
Daphne: [picks up biscuits laughing] Look here, Nickerson's Lemon
Biscuits. God, these bring back memories. I just love
them. Do you carry the Raspberry ones as well?
Assistant: I'm not sure.
Martin: Could you come back for those?
Assistant: [calls back] Robert?
Martin: Oh, God.

Robert enters and notices Martin.

Robert: Well, look who's come back.
Martin: Look, why don't you just let me pay for this and get out
of here? What do I owe you?
Robert: I think we both know what you owe me.
Martin: All right. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have made fun of your
store. You gonna let me off the hook or not?
Robert: All right, I'll sell it to you. I never like to lose a
customer.
Martin: Well, great. You know, while I'm here I might as well take
a few cases.
Robert: We have several new varieties in if you'd care to take a
look.
Martin: Oh, sure.
Robert: Please, show the man.

The assistant takes Martin off stage to show him the dog food.

Daphne: [looks at her biscuits] Oh, I think these biscuits are
mis-marked.
Robert: [looks] No, that's correct.
Daphne: $14.95 for a package this small?!
Robert: I see we have another member of the price club!
Daphne: Hey, there's no need for that attitude. Back home I can
get these for 80 pence!
Robert: Well, I do have to fly these over.
Daphne: What did you do? Buy them a seat on the Concorde?!
Robert: Madame, if you cannot afford them, simply put them back.
Daphne: I can bloody well afford them, I just don't like being
gouged, this is robbery!
Robert: Robber! [he pronounces it "Ro-bear"] No-one calls me a
robber!
Assistant: [o.s] Robert?
Robert: Not now! [to Daphne] On your way out you will see a sign on
the door saying "Please come again." Disregard it!
Daphne: I'd be happy to. You know, Mr. Crane was right about you.
You're nothing but an arrogant, swindling little cheese-
monger.
Martin: [enters with dog food] This is great! I'll take a case of
each.
Robert: [snatches it away] You'll take a case of nothing!
Martin: What happened now?!
Daphne: We don't need him or his food!
Martin: Yes, we do, he's got tarragon flavor now!
Daphne: Come on!
Martin: But Daph, what about Eddie?
Daphne: Oh, he'll eat when he gets hungry. For heaven's sakes,
he drinks out of the toilet!
   164. Satan Says Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:46 PM (#5560637)
You get used to picking up dog poop or changing diapers after awhile. The smell of adult defecation can make me puke, though.
   165. Satan Says Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5560639)
How many people let their dogs lick 'em in the face? Even with a beard, I'm a bit squeamish knowing where that snout's been.

Not so my gf.
   166. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:50 PM (#5560641)
How many people let their dogs lick 'em in the face? Even with a beard, I'm a bit squeamish knowing where that snout's been.


Snout, feet, ass, tail, undercarriage... it's all a mess.
   167. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:50 PM (#5560642)
Gotta admit I liked that transcript, Ray.
   168. Satan Says Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:51 PM (#5560644)
Think conservatives have more sexual fetishes than liberals?
   169. Satan Says Posted: October 23, 2017 at 05:53 PM (#5560648)
According to Becker, Hitler like having his young paramours take a dump on his face. Per psychoanalysis, part of what drove them to suicide.
   170. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:01 PM (#5560651)
According to Becker, Hitler like having his young paramours take a dump on his face. Per psychoanalysis, part of what drove them to suicide.



I know that bit. When you talk about Hitler, you're really talking about me.
   171. PepTech Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:02 PM (#5560653)
Gotta admit I liked that transcript, Ray.
I get even more of a kick out of imagining Ray typing these transcripts up, diligently wearing out the Pause key on his VHS remote. In 1995.

I kid, I kid. I loved Frasier. Except when Diane visited, that was forced.
   172. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:07 PM (#5560657)
My god. You people are some namby pamby waistecoats, aren't you? Jesus. You people really think you're not animals.
   173. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:08 PM (#5560659)
#169:
According to Becker, Hitler like having his young paramours take a dump on his face.


Like the propaganda posters said, loose lips drink shit.
   174. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5560661)
They wear coats on chilly days.

I have two short-hairs that shake like leaves when outside and it's below freezing, and each of them has a few sweaters or coats.

I suppose watching them suffer would be entertaining to some.
   175. PepTech Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5560662)
What do you mean, "you people"? :)
   176. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:11 PM (#5560663)
I suppose watching them suffer would be entertaining to some.


How much are the tickets to this event?
   177. Satan Says Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:19 PM (#5560669)
You people really think you're not animals.

We know it, but we don't talk too much about it. Yeah, it ain't no real big secret, all the same, somehow, we get around it. Listen, it don't really matter to me. You believe what you want to believe.
   178. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:32 PM (#5560673)
Bill O'Reilly sits down with the two New York Times reporters who wrote the exposé that led to his firing, and issues his usual denials. He waits until the audio recorder is turned off, then lets loose, not realizing that the interview was also being taped by a secondary backup source. Hilarity ensues:
We have physical proof that this is bullshit! Bullshit! Okay? So, it's on you, if you want to destroy my children further, all right? Because it's all crap! Why don’t you be human beings for once? This is horrible. It’s horrible what I went through, horrible what my family went through. This is crap! And you know it! Politically and financially motivated. And we can prove it. With, with shocking information! I'm not going to sit here in a courtroom for a year and a half and let my kids get beaten up, every single day of their lives! By a tabloid press that would sit there, and you know it!
Earlier in the interview, O'Reilly told the reporters "I urge you to think about what you put in your newspaper. Eric Bolling's son is dead. He's dead because of allegations made — in my opinion, and I know this to be true — against Mr. Bolling." Bolling has already called O'Reilly's comments about his son "beyond inappropriate."
   179. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: October 23, 2017 at 06:47 PM (#5560678)
"I urge you to think about what you put in your newspaper. Eric Bolling's son is dead. He's dead because of allegations made — in my opinion, and I know this to be true — against Mr. Bolling."
Eric Bolling disagrees:
"My parting from Fox News was in no way connected to the tragic news of my son's passing.

"The coroner has in fact indicated to us that they believe it was an accident," he added.


EDIT: Also, you have to love this phrase: "in my opinion, and I know this to be true".
   180. Sleepy's not going to blame himself Posted: October 23, 2017 at 07:02 PM (#5560681)
EDIT: Also, you have to love this phrase: "in my opinion, and I know this to be true".
Really, what does it matter if it was an accidental drug overdose or suicide? If your kid dies from either one, you've failed in at least some way.
   181. Joe Bivens Will Take a Steaming Dump Posted: October 23, 2017 at 07:09 PM (#5560682)
It is, because it's a disgusting visual.


Well, if you're ashamed of your bodily functions, maybe. To others, it's merely clinical. I lost a dog to cancer earlier than I may have had I paid more attention to her stools. They're a window to their health, and I feel it's my moral obligation to monitor.

I'm not saying it's pleasant. It's better than reading perros, though.
   182. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: October 23, 2017 at 08:33 PM (#5560696)
I'm coming for you, Ray.
   183. Howie Menckel Posted: October 23, 2017 at 08:40 PM (#5560699)
Not that I would expect many here to know, but women mostly dress to impress other women.

Johnny Carson once asked Angie Dickinson back when she was in her prime.

"Oh, I dress for women," she said, adding provocatively, "I undress for men."
   184. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: October 23, 2017 at 08:45 PM (#5560701)
"Oh, I dress for women," she said, adding provocatively, "I undress for men."


Excellent.
   185. bookbook Posted: October 23, 2017 at 08:51 PM (#5560703)
It’s worth repeating that the foreign-born share of the U.S. today is 14%, which is still slightly less than the peak of 15% foreign-born from the great European migration at the end of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
   186. Lassus Posted: October 23, 2017 at 09:08 PM (#5560704)
Tsk. John Wick was fun. John Wick II was not.
   187. Howie Menckel Posted: October 23, 2017 at 10:00 PM (#5560714)
"Oh, I dress for women," she said, adding provocatively, "I undress for men."



Excellent.

Johnny was as flummoxed as I ever saw him
   188. bunyon Posted: October 23, 2017 at 10:06 PM (#5560715)
Ray: Don't go to South America.
   189. PreservedFish Posted: October 23, 2017 at 10:11 PM (#5560718)
So was 1978 the peak, or just the point when a long and slow Decline became more manifest?
   190. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 23, 2017 at 10:12 PM (#5560719)
It’s worth repeating that the foreign-born share of the U.S. today is 14%, which is still slightly less than the peak of 15% foreign-born from the great European migration at the end of the 19th and early 20th centuries.

And look at how that turned out! Crooked politicians, gangsters, and sexual predators! How did we ever survive?
   191. DJS, the Digital Dandy Posted: October 23, 2017 at 11:05 PM (#5560732)
I was born in 1978, so it was the peak.
   192. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 23, 2017 at 11:34 PM (#5560740)
Previous page:
I think I saw that episode of Star Trek TOS, where SBB caused Ray's head to explode with a statement like that.


Pike peaked in 1966.
   193. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 24, 2017 at 05:19 AM (#5560761)
Ray: Don't go to South America.


Yeah I heard it was full of Mexicans.
   194. manchestermets Posted: October 24, 2017 at 06:00 AM (#5560762)
You people really think you're not animals.


Says you, with your clothes, and your computers.

This is silly. It's not Ray level anti-pet derangement to acknowledge that faeces - human or any other animal - is a hugely unpleasant thing, which is why we expect dog owners, as the majority do, to clean up after their dogs. Do you really expect us to believe that you just #### on your kitchen floor?
   195. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 24, 2017 at 06:17 AM (#5560763)
Hey, when you gotta get schwifty you gotta get schwifty.
   196. Rickey! the first of his name Posted: October 24, 2017 at 07:59 AM (#5560765)
Do you really expect us to believe that you just #### on your kitchen floor?


First opportunity comes along, I'm shitting on Ray's kitchen floor.
   197. PreservedFish Posted: October 24, 2017 at 08:03 AM (#5560766)
We were close to buying a home in an area known as "cowshit corner." There's a reason it has that nickname.
   198. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 24, 2017 at 08:17 AM (#5560767)
We were close to buying a home in an area known as "cowshit corner." There's a reason it has that nickname.

Hell, for a few months in 1972 my ex-GF and I lived in a house we called "Dog Shit University" because the landlady's dog kept taking dumps in the kitchen. Needless to say, we ate our meals in restaurants.
   199. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: October 24, 2017 at 09:08 AM (#5560782)
#AlertTheDaycareStaff
   200. manchestermets Posted: October 24, 2017 at 09:16 AM (#5560783)
Do you really expect us to believe that you just #### on your kitchen floor?


First opportunity comes along, I'm shitting on Ray's kitchen floor.


We were close to buying a home in an area known as "cowshit corner."


for a few months in 1972 my ex-GF and I lived in a house we called "Dog #### University"



The nanny on this site is weird.

Edit: especially as it's now censored Andy's post, but only when quoted.
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