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Now imagine that the compounds in fire extinguishers were very volatile, and that spontaneous fire extinguisher explosions killed 12 thousand people annually. And imagine that some people felt that meant perhaps, as useful as they are, they should be kept out of public places like schools and libraries, and in the hands of trained professionals. And imagine that other people felt that fire extinguishers were a god-given right, and that if everyone had one, there would be no fires.
That's a ridiculous comparison. Who'd ever think of bringing a gun into a school or a library?
Pothead gays. The worst kind.
Well, I'd say simply that not all a-theists are anti-theists, but the previous, you never hear from.
I myself am rather anti-theism across the board. That being said, I really like Christmas, and haven't a shred of a problem celebrating the second-most Jesusy holiday. I'd say the same about whatever holiday from Odin would allow presents as well.
edit: #1414 said it better.
Oh, the noise!
Oh, the Noise! Noise! Noise! Noise!
That's one thing he hated!
The NOISE! NOISE! NOISE! NOISE!
Given that Christians appropriated Saturnalia from the pagans to begin with, I don't think they have grounds to argue with secular appropriation of the holiday in return.
The anti-theists on FB are worse, or as least just as bad as the fundamental Christians. It's an amazing display of the lack of self awareness of human beings.
I suppose if I must pick a category, I'm an a-theist, but I really enjoy Christmas. I'm more than aware of the Christian and Pagan traditions the day was created for, but I could care less.
Or they're just not that good at counting, as the non-stop revisions would suggest.
Anyone have a tissue? "Infinite Yost (Voxter)" hurt my feelings.
This seems a little too convenient, though. If black people were "armed to the teeth" during Jim Crow, but there was neither massive white/black gun violence nor widespread black-on-black gun violence, then what would cause the sudden "spill over" of black-on-black violence that erupted in the decades after Jim Crow?
Any explanation of gun violence that doesn't include the breakdown of the family and, secondarily, the drug trade is ignoring the two biggest elephants in the room.
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Wow, guns just "spontaneously" go off and kill 12,000 people annually, rather than intentionally fired by criminals. Who knew?
I am an atheist, and I too like the holiday. Tomorrow morning I and friends are taking the boys (and other kids) and dog out to hunt a x-mas tree, kill it, and bring it home where it will decorate our house after being appropriately dressed.
I love carols and so forth (Carol of the Bells!). It is not my favorite holiday (That would be Thanksgiving, which rules) but I like it plenty.
However, I am more than happy to say Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings to folks because some people would rather not have a semi-religious holiday rubbed in their face the whole time. And some folks get so worked up by the "War on Christmas!" that the ornery side of me makes it a point to never say Merry Christmas just because.
Atheism starts (and ends for me and others) with the simple lack of belief in a god or gods. At its base it has nothing to do with being against religion, though I admit plenty of folks are against religion.
Joe K misunderstanding analogies since ... well forever I guess.
You got it wrong. The Irish tried to ruin Easter, but we showed them what was what back in 664.
I helped decorate my workplace's Christmas tree at lunch. For the record, the tree was decorated by an atheist, a Jew, a Russian Orthodox, and a Hindu. I'm sure that means that the War on Christmas is over, but I'm not at all sure who won.
Well, given that a large percentage of gun deaths are via accidents, then yes they do go off 'spontaneously'. So, how do guns contribute to death?
via Wikipedia : 2007: 31,224 deaths by firearms - 17,352 were suicides, 12,632 were homicides. Doesn't list how many were accidental deaths, but it would be no more than 1240 or just over 3 a day. From 2000 to 2005 there was one child killed via a gun by accident every 3rd day. There are annotations for details on each stat.
Gotta say, the addiction to guns down there in the US is scary. Someone breaks into your home odds are they'll shoot you before you could wake up, grab your gun, focus your eyes on the person to know it isn't your kid or something and shoot. Having a gun at home does not make you one iota safer.
No, the Democrats *do* "do something they want" — they advance liberal causes that Jews (and blacks, and Latinos) support. That was the entire point.
Right, conservatives consistently vote for conservatives out of rote, closed-minded habit, while liberals consistently vote for liberals but only after a thorough, open-minded, dispassionate analysis of the candidates and issues. I've heard it a thousand times here.
It appears you misunderstood #1401, not me.
Which liberal causes, specifically, do you think Democrats support that convince Jews to vote for them?
I saw Daddy fisting Santa Claus.
I'm not particularly religious, wavering between atheist and agnostic, but I've never understood getting upset if someone wishes me good tidings from their particular cultural perspective. I had a Muslim grad student who used to wish me various happy eids. I have a Jewish in law who has included me in family traditions. If a Christian wishes me a Merry Christmas, then I'll thank them. If they pray for me, I'll thank them. Wishing someone well can only be done from one's own perspective.
Getting angry or offended for someone saying "Merry Christmas" to you makes absolutely no sense and makes the case the War on Christmas cranks are trying to make. Someone wished you well. Take pleasure in that, not anger.
I have a slightly different take: I strongly disbelieve in a metaphysical spiritual realm (let alone a personal God), but I think that humans have a profound spiritual dimension, something that has physical and material bases but that isn't easily satisfied by physical and material solutions.
And I dislike Christmas. I was raised Catholic, and for me Christmas was always a period of great stress and family tensions, from both sacred and secular sides. So I greatly preferred Thanksgiving (no church, no presents) and probably even more those holidays that weren't extended-family events but involved something unusual (4th of July, fireworks; Halloween, trick-or-treat).
The theory was that if the Court took a DOMA case that was good news for gay marriage, but if it took Prop 8 that was bad news. No idea what this means. Maybe both sides think they can still convince Kennedy?
Citation for bolded part?
If a maximum of 1,240 were accidental, that's barely 3 percent of the total. We'd be better off banning cars and swimming pools.
LOL. I guess this is the opinion-stated-as-fact part of the program.
Of course this happened in Florida.
Short caricature history of the American conservative mind:
1) Begins as a Democrat; fights tooth and nail to preserve slavery
2) Slavery ends; is appalled that Republicans treat black people as a constituency in the same way Democrats treat Irish people; institutes Jim Crow and fights tooth and nail to preserve it
3) Loses fight to preserve Jim Crow; becomes Republican
4) Immediately announces that since racism no longer exists, blacks and other minorities must be poor and powerless because they are lazy
5) Is appalled that Democrats treat these lazy blacks and other minorities as a constituency in the same way Republicans treat energetic job-creating white capitalists; fights tooth and nail to cut taxes on the rich and benefits for the poor
6) Can't figure out why poor people and minorities vote for a moderately center-left black Democratic Presidential candidate
“I don’t think justices get in this position very often because everybody knows what the judgement of history is going to be,” Lucas Powe, a Supreme Court historian at the University of Texas-Austin School of Law, told TPM in advance of the court’s announcement. “I don’t think think anybody doubts that gay marriage is coming — it’s only the issue of time. This is one of those times where no matter what you think you know you’re going to be wrong if you oppose it.”
The Supreme Court has not weighed in on gay marriage, leaving the outcome uncertain, but earlier rulings in favor of gay rights give hope to proponents of marriage equality. The four Democratic-appointed justices are widely expected to strike down DOMA. Justice Anthony Kennedy, a presumable swing vote, has written passionately against laws persecuting gays.
“I think Kennedy’s vote is very secure,” Powe said. “I think there are comfortably five votes to overturn DOMA. … Kennedy has a libertarian streak — he has written the key gay rights opinions and I think he will continue to do so.”
I already named two: Abortion and gun control. In poll after poll, huge majorities of Jewish people support both.
One would think Jewish people would be the last group on Earth to be OK with the government getting to decide who has guns and who doesn't have guns, but one apparently would be wrong.
I like Christmas very for what it can be, and am a sucker for both its Christ-in-a-manger and fir-trees-and-winter aspects, as well as the love and good cheer towards all that frequently surfaces. I often dislike it in practice, for the usual reasons of its orgiastic commercialism, the stress it places on people, and the opportunities it presents for grotesque hypocrisy, personal and otherwise. This year, the whole Black Friday rigmarole and the idea of people working on Thanksgiving in the name of the Christmas Orgy has driven me firmly around the bend. At this point I think that we need to kill Christmas in order to save it.
High five!
Just to be clear I don't get angry, I just know some folks prefer not to be greeted that way. The last time I got annoyed at religion in my face was back in grade school vis-a-vis Bitter Mouse discovering some moron put "under God" into the Pledge for no damn reason at all. And yes I still refuse to say the darn thing - pledges are anti-American anyway.
Several years ago, anonymously, I complained about my company's rather ostentatious (and expensive looking) Christmas display -- and suggested that I would much prefer to celebrate the December holiday of my choice outside of work, and would be much more appreciative of the company instead handing out that money it cost to me -- even if that meant nothing more than a $5 starbucks card once it was spread out amongst everyone all of faiths or lack thereof.
The following year - the same display was back, but with the addition of a very large Menorah and multiple other displays of various religions were also added.
I have since stopped complaining about such displays.
High five!
The truth hurts, doesn't it?
I dislike Xmas music and the relentless commercialism, but I like going home and hanging out with my family and giving my nieces gifts and stuff. And the smell of Xmas trees is good.
Happy to oblige, especially in the holiday season:
The Kehoskie Guide to Voting Patterns
1. With rare exceptions, people vote their economic interests.
2. [this space intentionally left blank]
As an added bonus, I also present ...
The BBTF Liberals' Guide to Voting Patterns
1. If you're a horrible xenophobic racist, you vote for Republicans.
2. If you're not a horrible xenophobic racist, you vote for Democrats.
2a. If you vote for Democrats, you never vote out of self-interest; you only vote out of a selfless sense of community, generosity, and "social justice."
Nahhh... that's too nuanced - he's saying you're idiots.
I didn't know Reagan was a slave holder.
Wait, you want us to just give you one? As a handout?
That's moocher talk!
It was his transitional phase between actor and politician.
No, I was contending that Jewish people tend to vote for the liberal party because most of them share liberal values. Words like "weird" not only didn't appear in the commentary, but was the polar opposite of the commentary.*
(* Now, I do believe Jewish support for gun control is weird, but that's a separate topic.)
I believe she would have had to recuse herself in Gill, one of the other DOMA cases. I think she's fine for both of these.
In fairness, he was doing a lot of psychedelics with Bonzo the chimp during that phase.
Dec 11th also marks the 150 year anniversary of Ulysses Grant's General order 11 which ordered all the Jews expunged from his military district in parts of Tennessee, Mississippi and Kentucky. This was done to help combat the existing black market in Southern cotton. It was revoked a few weeks later by President Lincoln. Later on the order was brought up during the presidential race of 1868 but Grant ended up winning a large percentage of the Jewish vote regardless after repudiating the order saying he hadn't read it before he signed it after it was drafted by a subordinate.
Anybody dumb and/or careless enough to shoot off his own penis and testicles is somebody who has no business using them in the first place. The penis and testicles that is. Yet another example of guns making America safer and better.
I was curious to see how you'd explain why the poorest, most subsidy-needing counties in the United States went for Romney.
And why the gilded city of San Francisco and the even more gilded Borough of Manhattan voted overwhelmingly for Obama.
Haven't you heard? They're full of Jews. Which reminds me, I need to send an email to the White House and figure out where my kickback is -- they haven't paid for my vote yet.
You mean votes, right? Don't tell me you only cast one...
As a lawyer I actually do hear many many many people insist to high heaven that they didn't know/agree with what they signed, they hadn't read it, someone else just put it in front of them... Not just talking about poor saps who signed usurious installment sale contracts either, CEO types (actual CEOs..)
some % of them are even telling the truth.
No, the Chicago Boys told Obama: "We'll buy you the election, but we ain't gonna pay for a landslide."
A Darwin Awards fan I presume?
Damn straight, probably not a small percentage. A large part of it is that people are lazy, but it's also just factually the case that just about any very responsible manager in any capacity is very, very damn busy, and simply does not have the time to read through, at least in any degree of careful detail, everything put in front of them. While obviously signing something and then saying, "oops" constitutes a legitimate blunder by such a manager, it is a fact that managers simply must trust their staff to vet things and do everything reasonable to avoid that blunder. But sh!t happens.
One-Percenters who vote for Dems are covered by the "rare exceptions" clause.
I think you probably misunderstood the purpose of his comment.
So I greatly preferred Thanksgiving (no church, no presents)
I think they mis-diagnosed your brain damage as diabetes. (That being said, I hear you on the catholic families angle. My extended family thought I was the greatest kid on the planet because I always did the dishes every holiday. Only my mother and my sister knew it was because I couldn't really stand anyone but them and it was an hour I could stay away from everyone else.)
Obama got about 45% of the highest-income demographics, including more than 40% of men in those categories (so there's not much of a "war on women" angle there). Income (and education outside of those at the very bottom or very top of the spectrum) is not nearly as determinative as race, church attendance, union affiliation, etc.
And he clearly misunderstood mine, as his goofy "Eichmann" crap shows.
Do you really need to ask?
First the "war on women" led to the biggest-ever gender gap in a presidential election, and now, barely a month later, there was no "war on women" (or there was a "war on women" that had little or no impact). I guess history really is written by the winners.
Huh? I think it's pretty clear the Republican stated opposition to reproductive rights had an impact on all female voters (Obama won women making between $100,000-$200,000 but double digits, while losing men in that bracket by a slightly smaller margin). But the fact that Obama did not get blown out of the water among wealthy men also indicates that that group also had significant reason to, in your words, vote against their economic interest.
Me, my wife and our families are non-religious and love Christmas. It's basically the second kind you mentioned above (sometimes we call it Japanese Christmas, although that is a little different too), but in addition to the more secular stuff we certainly don't mind seeing lit up nativity scenes and hearing certain religious Christmas songs, Nat King Cole can sing whatever he wants whether it's Christmas Song or O Come All Ye Faithful. Sometimes I just pretend Christmas songs about the birth of Christ are about my daughter instead though, makes them more fun. You don't need Christianity to make a great holiday out family, giving and new beginnings.
The whole war on Christmas thing is completely stupid.
The Republican controlled Senate also passed "Bill 975, the 'Religious Liberty and Conscience Protection Act,' an extremely broad bill which would permit any provider or facility to declare a conscientious objection to performing any medical service" and is slated to pass a version of "HB 5711, — a massive 50-page bill that would eliminate the use of medication abortion and impose a ton of physical plant requirements on abortion providers that could shut down almost every clinic in the state" next week.
A practice made much easier by the continuance of the losers to engage in it - Eric Cantor's insistence that the provision allowing prosecution of non-Indians for domestic violence against Indians by reservation authorities be stricken from the VAWA reauthorization, for example.
Not forcing people to pay for something for other people now constitutes a "war" on the previous beneficiaries. Only in America.
Resisting efforts to require non-Native American men to submit to tribal courts rather than U.S. courts is now part of the "war on women"?
Can I get my money back for the Iraq War? Abstinence-only sex-ed? Prison expenditures for prosecuting the drug war?
Sure, a "war on taxpayers." Sounds awesome. But as a lefty, you should probably beware of unintended consequences.
Huh? I think it's pretty clear the Republican stated opposition to reproductive rights had an impact on all female voters (Obama won women making between $100,000-$200,000 but double digits, while losing men in that bracket by a slightly smaller margin). But the fact that Obama did not get blown out of the water among wealthy men also indicates that that group also had significant reason to, in your words, vote against their economic interest.
Joe's take is basically that there isn't any Republican war on women's rights, but that women are too stupid not to know that, and fall for feminist propaganda. Just as Latinos only vote their economic interests, Jews pray at the Karl Marx Temple, Asians are too stupid to know that they're being robbed by taxes, blacks are hopelessly influenced by workless welfare inducements and free cell phones**, and conservative Latinos who say that the Republicans blew it on immigration aren't really conservatives or even real Latinos, but white Puerto Ricans who are trying to pull a fast one. The man's got an explanation for everything, and it's truly a wonder to behold.
**Wait, that one may be Ray, though I doubt if Joe would disagree.
Usually non-Native authorities are distant and unavailable (or unwilling) to intervene. And non-Native men know this. 86% of rapes on reservations are committed by non-Native men. And they're getting away with it. So without the ability of tribal authorities to exercise jurisdiction, women will continue to suffer.
You realize that the jobs report is really just a poll, right?
How will this proposed law change that? According to the linked article, it only covers domestic violence.
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Yes ... and?
And you still haven't grown a sense of humor.
So the revision is them unskewing it?
I have said repeatedly that inflation will solve both the public and private debt problems. And probably won't even ding the economy as long as wages rise in lock step. Screws old people and the banks. Sign me up!
I can't decide which I hate more about Christmas: The Smarmy Spirituality or the Crass Commercialism.
I combat these tiresome parts of Christmas by getting joy out of making them even worse for people like you. It's the most wonderful time of the year!
that it's turtles all the way down.
The decorating.
There is a handle for the taking.
Specifically, the stringing of the f@cking lights on the f@cking tree.
Everything else is delightful.
As far as I can tell, the largest net margin for Romney in any one county comes from Maricopa County, AZ, at about 148,000. There are five counties in California alone with a bigger margin than that in Obama's favor: Contra Costa 154K, San Francisco 255K, Santa Clara 276K, Alameda 362K, and Los Angeles 1332K. (Not sure what county Steve Treder lives in - if it's not one of the ones above, then it would be San Mateo and that's 133K.)
That million and a third makes Los Angeles County Obama's best county in terms of net margin. Cook County, IL is about a million - latest numbers I found were 993K.
Largest net margin for Romney in California was Orange County at about 70K. You see a lot of speculation about "when will Texas turn purple". Whenever that is, I'll bet that Orange County gets there sooner - more Latinos, more Chinese and Koreans, younger Vietnamese turning away from their parents' politics, and so on.
Santa Clara. Yeah baby.
As far as I can tell, the largest net margin for Romney in any one county comes from Maricopa County, AZ, at about 148,000.
Oh, my poor daughter. That's her county of residence. Not coincidentally, she HATES living in Arizona.
Looks like embracing Sheriff Joe paid off.
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