Does this response seem a little, odd?

That seems pretty workable. If you don't use each others' real names, where's the weakness? And how long are deleted emails kept on a host server, anyway [nervously]?

Dude, if they're mining your email server, you've already been caught.

It's amazing, how much I don't know. Is it that you're accessing the surreptitious email account from your own computer?

Reagan, in particular, were not very active in their religions

They also have direct links to Florida's highest political circles, The Daily Telegraph has learned. Miss Khawam once dated Charlie Crist, the state's former governor, a Republican source said, while Pam Bondi, its Attorney General and a close ally of Mitt Romney, attended a function at Mrs Kelley's home.

Mrs Kelley, a mother-of-three and unpaid "social liaison" for the US military in Tampa, is said to have spared no expense at such parties to honour top brass stationed at nearby US Central Command. She was pictured at one event at her $1.2 million mansion in 2010 with Gen Petraeus, who arrived in a 28-man police motorcycle escort.

Guests at Mrs Kelley's parties were treated to lavish buffets, drank champagne and puffed on cigars while being entertained by string quartets, according to insider accounts.

Yet she and her husband Scott, a surgeon, were soon being sued for $1.9 million by Central Bank after allegedly failing to keep up with mortgage payments on a house they bought after starting their own property company. A similar $1.8 million property lawsuit from Regions Bank followed soon after.

Later in the year, Regions Bank filed another claim against the Kelleys for $453,000, before Bank of America sued Mrs Kelley for $25,000 in allegedly unpaid credit card charges. All four cases remain open. The banks' lawyers declined to comment. Mrs Kelley's attorney did not return a request for comment.

Miss Khawam filed for bankruptcy in April this year, filings show. She owed more than $3 million spanning taxes, property debts, legal fees and personal loans to associates – including $800,000 from Mrs Kelley and her husband, who have taken her in at their Tampa mansion.

Separately she is being sued in Maryland for $100,000 in legal fees and in Florida by her former boss Barry Cohen, a prominent Tampa lawyer, who claims in his lawsuit that she "fraudulently omitted Rolex watches, sable mink furs and a diamond ring" from her bankruptcy filing, which she denies.

Mr Cohen's action came in response to a lawsuit against him from Miss Khawam, who accused him of breach of contract and failing to take action to a complaint of sexual harassment. Mr Cohen denies the allegations.

Mrs Kelley, a mother-of-three and unpaid "social liaison" for the US military in Tampa, is said to have spared no expense at such parties to honour top brass stationed at nearby US Central Command. She was pictured at one event at her $1.2 million mansion in 2010 with Gen Petraeus, who arrived in a 28-man police motorcycle escort.

Guests at Mrs Kelley's parties were treated to lavish buffets, drank champagne and puffed on cigars while being entertained by string quartets, according to insider accounts.

Remember when David Petraeus was the unassailable genius of impeccable moral certitude who was going to save us in Iraq and Afghanistan? I'm sure Caligula won some battles somewhere too, right?

1.2 million dollar homes are a dime a dozen down in Florida. Your local school's janitor probably has one. As for the parties, what got described is nowhere near what I consider "lavish".

1.2 million dollar homes are a dime a dozen in San Francisco, they are still quite large and a bit rare in most of Florida...

Do people here believe that the timing of the shoe dropping here -- Obama supposedly found out the day after the election, and let's assume arguendo that that was true -- was pure coincidence?

I just want to understand the level of delusion people are operating under.

Do people here believe that the timing of the shoe dropping here -- Obama supposedly found out the day after the election -- was pure coincidence?

I just want to understand the level of delusion people are operating under.

We're operating under the delusion that you're looking for a conspiracy to latch onto, because you want one to exist very badly.

Do people here believe that the timing of the shoe dropping here -- Obama supposedly found out the day after the election, and let's assume arguendo that that was true -- was pure coincidence?

if my classical history recollections hold, Rome also made its first forays into England under Caligula...

1.2 million dollar homes are a dime a dozen in San Francisco, they are still quite large and a bit rare in most of Florida...



Not if they're on the water.

Do people here believe that the timing of the shoe dropping here -- Obama supposedly found out the day after the election, and let's assume arguendo that that was true -- was pure coincidence?

I would sooner believe that the Great Turkey will put cans of cranberry sauce in my stocking next Wednesday night.

I'll go with pure coincidence, because I can't imagine why anyone would lie about it. Seriously - I can't come up with a good conspiracy theory as to why they would lie about when Obama found out.

Well, the vice president's son killed someone in a hit-and-run, and they tried to keep that quiet during the election, so I guess anything's possible...

I don't even get why this is a scandal. If two gay guys can get married in New York, tie tin cans to the bumper of their car and drive across the George Washington Bridge, and suddenly not be married anymore, there's no WAY David Petraeus was a married man in Afghanistan.

and if my classical history recollections hold, Rome also made its first forays into England under Caligula

But if you're banging the secretary, and someone comes at you with a "dude, we have some reports that you're banging the secretary," just cop the deal and save everyone the time and energy.

I'll start with this:

Do people here believe that the timing of the shoe dropping here -- Obama supposedly found out the day after the election, and let's assume arguendo that that was true -- was pure coincidence?

Whatever it is he was being protected from.

Do people here believe that the timing of the shoe dropping here -- Obama supposedly found out the day after the election, and let's assume arguendo that that was true -- was pure coincidence?

That can't be right. Julius Caesar went into England. And then came home because of all the weirdoes painted blue. I remember translating the passage where one of his men jumped off the boat and immediately sank to the bottom because of all his armor.

See this is the thing I don't get. Exactly how is it harmful to Obama that Petraeus has to resigns?

Is it not safe to assume that they finished the interviews on November 2nd (a Friday), collected all the information they had (Saturday/Sunday), prepared the report for the White House (Monday) and then decided interrupting him on election day might not be the best timing? Was waiting one more day really that terrible, given that they might have to tell Romney as well (in the alternate reality) the next day?

Do people here believe that the timing of the shoe dropping here -- Obama supposedly found out the day after the election, and let's assume arguendo that that was true -- was pure coincidence?

b) it's irrelevant to real national security

Don't forget that his potential running mate and new best buddy tried to blow up half of the top military brass. I'm sure there are links to Fast and Furious somewhere here.

Seriously, answer me that. Where is the scandal that harms Obama in this story? Why would they keep it from him until it after the election (if you assume they were done investigating, which doesn't seem to be the case according to the timeline)?

See this is the thing I don't get. Exactly how is it harmful to Obama that Petraeus has to resigns?

Oh I know the right wingers would have assumed that it was some kind of cover for Benghazi, but let's face it they already know the truth and nobody else cares.

I expect an answer from you that is actually responsive, not a dodge like the others did.

Oh I know the right wingers would have assumed that it was some kind of cover for Benghazi, but let's face it they already know the truth and nobody else cares.

Not my bag at all. I haven't said a word about Benghazi, and I don't think the timing of this had anything to do with Benghazi,

It may not have been harmful (in terms of reelection), but if he had to resign before the election it would have created a lot of uncertainty, and a ton of headaches.

I dodged a bit I admit- I have seen zero evidence that it was anything but a coincidence- but i think it is plausible that there may have been a politically motivated delay

but others did not- some openly said that yes they thought to was a coincidence+ others said it was entirely plausible that someone decided to not tell Obama until after the ellection.

That's what law enforcement folks keep telling me, but lawyers keep telling me that if it weren't for premature confessions (and rats), just about no one would go to jail.

Having regard for your good faith in these discussions, I expect an answer from you that is actually responsive, not a dodge like the others did.

Just to be clear, Ray. I'm not dodging your question. I'm mocking you for thinking it's an important question.

People, Julius Caesar went to BRITAIN...not England. There were no English (Angles, Saxons, Jutes) there until the sixth century, and no English nation until King Alfred.

Do you think the timing of this dropping just after the election was a pure coincidence? Having regard for your good faith in these discussions, I expect an answer from you that is actually responsive, not a dodge like the others did.

I expect the others to link me to buying into a conspiracy floated by the right wing about Benghazi, but I didn't expect it from you.

Why should the notion that a politically motivated delay could plausibly have happened vault it ahead in believeability over the numerous other things that could plausibly happened - and for which their is actual testimony?

Just saw pictures of Jill Kelley. She really looks like a woman who really likes sex. 'Full of juice', as we say.

The sources said agents followed department guidelines that generally bar sharing information about developing criminal investigations. The FBI is also aware of its history under former director J. Edgar Hoover of playing politics and digging into the lives of public figures. As one official said, the rules are designed to protect people (both private and elected officials) when negative information about them arises in the course of a criminal investigation that is not a crime.

I'm asking whether a decision was made to keep him in the dark about it until after the election.

I want to investigate and figure out who deserves blame, including Obama. If he didn't know about this until after the election, he set up a system of willful blindness. If he did know about it, that raises another problem.

lawyers keep telling me that if it weren't for premature confessions (and rats), just about no one would go to jail.

Just saw pictures of Jill Kelley. She really looks like a woman who really likes sex. 'Full of juice', as we say.

7764/7765 It must be awful living in fear of your life ending if you ever lose snugness or suction.

Between the secret service and the CIA, I am beginning to see the merits of having an elite military force comprised solely of eunuchs, GRR Martin style.

7764/7765 It must be awful living in fear of your life ending if you ever lose snugness or suction.

There are exercises a woman can do for that problem.

In addition to the FBI regs, I posted a few pages back a quote from the WSJ showing that Bush's AG (Mukasey) ordered the FBI and CIA not to tell the President of pending investigations.

So Bush was in on it. What's your point?

a decision was made

Because all conspiracies work best in the passive voice.

“In case anyone out there thought I may have actual journalist’s instincts, I give you a quick snippet of my interview,” Stewart said, gearing up to point out every innuendo that appeared in the interview. “I had her right there talking about how thick a coat of awesomesauce Patraeus is bathed in — the thing never crossed my [expletive] mind!”

“I am the worst journalist in the world,” he concluded.

“I had her right there talking about how thick a coat of awesomesauce Patraeus is bathed in — the thing never crossed my [expletive] mind!”

In the second one, she looks like a proud mama [but that's actually Mr. Kelley] trying to stay positive even with his choice in spouses [that's Mrs. Kelley], being a God-fearing woman and all..

I can't imagine why women don't hang out here.

Broadwell graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1995. She majored in political geography.[10] She earned a master's degree in international security from the University of Denver's Josef Korbel School of International Studies in 2006.[11][12] She earned a Master of Public Administration from the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University in 2008.[13][14] Broadwell is a Research Associate in the Kennedy School's Center for Public Leadership Fellows.[15] In 2008, she entered the Ph.D. program at Department of War Studies at King's College London.[16]

Newsflash, Lassus: women are interested in athletes, not athletics. And certainly they are not interested in joining geeks on a website who call themselves "primates" and yell past each other.

I can't imagine why women don't hang out here.

She majored in political geography.

She has also been all over the world with the military, and is a physical fitness wiz, who kickboxes etc.

Broadwell is a high achiever, as one would expect:

Broadwell graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1995. She majored in political geography.[10] She earned a master's degree in international security from the University of Denver's Josef Korbel School of International Studies in 2006.[11][12] She earned a Master of Public Administration from the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University in 2008.[13][14] Broadwell is a Research Associate in the Kennedy School's Center for Public Leadership Fellows.[15] In 2008, she entered the Ph.D. program at Department of War Studies at King's College London.[16]

A bunch of useless, basket-weaving degrees.

As opposed to, say, a law degree? I have one of those, and they're pretty much less than useless.

A bunch of useless, basket-weaving degrees.

This is both ridiculous and boring.